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Use the Swedish mirror. I switched to that a while ago since the us servers always seem very slow. The Swedish one is usually very fast.

http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/

The iso's are on that site now.

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386

Desktop AMD64

Server i386

Server AMD64

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386

Desktop AMD64

Server i386

Server AMD64

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386

Desktop AMD64

Server i386

Server AMD64

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386

Desktop AMD64

Server i386

Server AMD64

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386

Desktop AMD64

Server i386

Server AMD64

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Linux users do not have to pay for software

There, I fixed your purposeful omission it for you.

take responsibility for your own needs and write the software you want.

Isn't free software up to the challenge?

Where have you been for the past twenty years?

It is melancolie that once a typical person learns a desk top manager, that that person will stay with that desk top manager; Even when it means giving up big bucks, as opposed to just downloading a copy of Ubuntu 7.04 - For Free! Microsoft knows this, cold. When it comes to those who would exploit users sloth for purchasing a known product riddled with flaws, it only takes a enterprising few to ruin every microsoft user's day; Globally. One should notice that Microsoft's "Software Agreement" says you can not sue them for their negligence, but not the other way around. Mircrosoft may be many things, but foolish is not on that list.

Let us take a look at the recent topic of a Madwifi vulnerability affecting certain wifi users in Linux.

Julien Tinnes reported it at 13:48:00 EST on December 7, 2006.

At 14:17:50 on the same day the patch was available in the main source code repository.

A little while later at 17:08:26 the vulnerability is officially confirmed by Madwifi and advisories had been prepared.

Looking downstream, the response times for an official fixes/advisories by distribution specific security teams were:
Gentoo: December 10
SUSE: Confirmed December 8, Fixed December 11
Ubuntu: January 9

There is certainly some room for improvement here with distribution specific fixes, but that also includes time spent testing the changes to the driver. To be fair to Microsoft (actually, I'm just being overly optimistic), they probably had a patch ready within 30 minutes of the initial vulnerability report as was the case with Madwifi. But instead of giving the customer the option of trying the "beta" patch so they can test it themselves, it is kept private. Days tick by at Microsoft HQ and nothing appears to happen. Eventually, a patch is released on the patch Tuesday of the next month (or the month after that). System administrators get no choice and no chance to test it themselves.

Do it legally... by using software where the license agreement not only permits it, but recognises it as your RIGHT to to do so. There is no need to violate copyright law, just use software written with the users in mind. You can start with: http://www.ubuntu.com/

I'm a College student in Maine and I cant afford My Medical bills or most commercial software. The later of the two led me hear to answer your comment. By way of choosing to use Linux.

In my opinion the argument that the flow of good Art will slow to a trickle, code weavers will dry up and guitarists will stop playing music when we make copyright and D.R.M. laws FAIR is a bunch of crap.

I belive this because I see it everyday when I boot Ubuntu or Knoppix and everything just works. I see it right now looking at Mozilla Firefox I don't spend 50% of my time and half my cpu cycles running Malware scans. Theres an Increase in productivity for you.

I for one will continue to advocate open source software, reject D.R.M. and "Intellectual proprietary.".

Many people seem to believe that Norway's putting itself at the forefront if a political movement that may be the story of my generation. How we Control the Peoples access to data, its content and depth thereof.

I do agree with you on one thing the current climate or copyright law and D.R.M. is easily comparable the state of big Pharmaceutical. Our coverage is like our software and fear is used to push pills like they were Norton Anti virus.

As for it copyright fairness leading to bad health Norway has a great social health care system, here I cant afford a month of meds. I have to pick them up a few at a time and I am not alone there.

If you were to step into my shoes you might just smack the words out of your own mouth...

its so simple to solve all your windows problems: just upgrade for free to windows vista ultimate plus! service pack 1

This bug is in the "madwifi" atheros driver, which is:

1. dependent on a closed-source kernel module
2. not in the upstream kernel
3. not included by default in most distributions (e.g. Fedora/RHEL, SuSE, Debian).

So here's what the headline should have been:

Closed-Source Drivers Harder To Maintain, Less Secure

It uses a Ralink RT73 chipset

Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain.

Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain. I tried Network-Manager (a Gnome applet) and it did all kinds of bad stuff to my system (loopback never came up), and didn't help me connect to encrypted networks at all. But, they're working on it.

network-manager will be fully integrated in 7.04 (Feisty), see the spec here.
Until then (while on 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier), see instructions here

Here's the actual mailing list posting: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-ann ounce/2007-April/000276.html

And I'll be dressing up as Gibbon

Or, you know, Ubuntu.

1) Open apt, add (paste in) one line for the seveas repository.

> since I have trouble getting dual head output to work on my nvidia card in Ubuntu.

TVOut doesn't work? I got it working with these instructions quite easily:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut

a little package called popularity-contest. It sends stats to http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ about what packages people have installed. It's been around since Debian, but Ubuntu install it by default. It's not turned on by default, but it is installed.

Except for use by those who either want to develop a distribution, build software, or manually configure their distribution beyond what's worthwhile in most other distributions?

Sounds like more of the same to me. Anywhere that I see Ubuntu cropping up, Debian wasn't there to begin with.

I have witnessed Ubuntu replace most of the SuSE installations I was aware of. That's a big win for Debian on the desktop market.

And I've yet to see anybody try to use Ubuntu as a server. Really, I don't get what they're going for with that "server" branch. I guess they want to make it just like using Ubuntu... only not? Kinda sounds like Debian making a desktop fork to me.

Maybe I'm just weird. See, I'm not on the consumer end. I tend to witness a lot of cooperation when browsing around for software. Some of the most productive users of Debian seem to be the developers of other distributions. So long as Debian remains a valuable asset to them, I don't think it's going to vanish anytime soon.

D:\Documents and Settings\y1ry>"c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
O sistema não pode encontrar o caminho especificado.


Damn! My OS uses another language!!

Ordered in increasing levels of system modification...

PsTools (not exactly the same, but you can rename "PsList" to "ps" and get much the same information, and the other "PsTools" function similarly to programs described in the article)
Cygwin
Ubuntu.

Try this instead:

"c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe" http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

Hope this hepls....

I've witnessed attempts by various individuals to fundamentally alter the goals of Debian. Most common is trying to make Debian a more "desktop-oriented" distribution. Good attempts turn out as separate distributions. Honestly, that's how it should stay.

See, Debian not only welcomes child distributions, it thrives on them.

http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros

At some point in time, I would encourage consideration of Debian's slogan, "The Universal Operating System".

Debian has been and always will be an operating system that equally (as in equity) targets all applications; that's why child distributions are necessary, and why Debian Unstable is so damned important. Child distributions are required to pull the Debian project in a productive direction. Debian Unstable is required to tie the required functionality of child distributions together and, in turn, propagate the benefits to all parties involved.

It doesn't make sense to take a piece of software to any sort of bleeding-edge when it will be deployed world-wide on Debian servers and Debian routers. Furthermore, the fact that a child-distribution is already working to "sex up the desktop" is evidence that Debian need not take initiative in such a direction; it's already involved.

Sort of. Ubuntu is a fine distribution, but they frequently don't seem to get the upgrade process fully debugged, probably mostly because the semi-annual release schedule is really aggressive. As a result, Ubuntu users have to accept that there's a good chance they'll have to do a complete system reinstall every six months, or else stay with a system that gets further and further behind the cutting edge.

The great thing about pure Debian is never having to reinstall. I'm typing this on a new Thinkpad T60p, with a 2.2 GHz Core Duo and 2 GiB RAM, but the system image running on it was first installed in 2001 on a Thinkpad 600E, with a 233 MHz Pentium II and, IIRC, 128 MB RAM. The image has been copied, complete with all of my data and preferred configuration, to two other laptops in between, and it has been smoothly upgraded by apt-get from potato (or maybe slink? Don't recall) all along the way. Hopefully Ubuntu will eventually get to where the same thing could be done with it, though I don't know that I'd have a reason to switch even then.

If you want all that then it's already available and the branch is called Ubuntu. Even better is that it is stabilized and releases are made every 6 months.

If you're running Windows, then it's best to assume that you have been infected. When it comes to Windows, you can never be sure that your system is actually clean, even when you use a variety of different anti-malware software. So for the safety of your data and personal information, it's best that you reinstall Windows.

Or better yet, try to avoid Windows if you can. Ubuntu Linux is a very secure and reliable system, often supporting all of your hardware by default. Furthermore, if you use WINE you can run virtually all of your existing Windows applications and games. Best of all, Ubuntu is free!

You must not have worked very hard looking for it. The default Ubuntu graphical shell is Nautilus. They've had scripting options for some time, and I figured SVN is popular enough elsewhere SOMEONE must have written such a thing. And lo and behold, via google:

http://marius.scurtescu.com/node/85

Indeed, the same package shows up in Ubuntu repos from Dapper onward (as the first link describes):
http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages .pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=na utilus-script-collection-svn

It seems that TortoiseSVN has problems with Vista. I haven't tried the svn nautilus integration yet, but there's no bugs filed against it. If you run into any, please do file a report. Personally, I choose to use editors that have SVN / CVS support built in. But I suppose some web developers may prefer a seperate client or something.

In my own experience, Windows has been about as bad as Linux with hardware. Vista's nvidia are only slightly better than Linux's with regard to suspend: instead of locking up during suspend to RAM, it fails to initialize the video on restart. Equally unusable, really. Feisty's due to make some changes with nvidia that should help alleviate restricted drivers like the nvidia closed source binary. I think it's important to stress that Linux is first and foremost an open system. If it also serves as a usable system for people who don't care, and continues to be that way, I'm willing to attribute that to the openness of the system, and so much the better. But as much as open source considerations get in the way of the user experience, they are a second class citizen in my sight. Linux makes a fantastic hacker's system.

For example, FUSE is a great idea that has several great examples with few / no comparable in Windows. Daemontools in Windows lets you present a file as if it were a cd in a drive. FUSEISO does the same thing for windows, though the GUI aspect is not quite finished. FUSE presents this mount globally, without the need for applications to know about it. And it doesn't require significant user privileges. But the greatest part about FUSE is that it's the core to several components, like gmailfs, and sshfs, ftpfs, you name it. NTFS support was written this way with good success. There's fuse modules to present Doom WAD files as a directory. There's one to access your blog. In contrast, whatever technology daemon tools is using remains cloistered.

So yea, there's a learning curve, but I'm not gonna start advocating compatiblity with Windows programs to solve it. Downloading crap from random internet sites is the modus operandi of Windows software distribution, and it's crazy insecure. Ubuntu takes the steps proprietary software can't, packaging and distributing tested and signed versions of software, without including spyware (unless you count popcon ;) ). I hope I've helped your problem some. And God, don't bother with vista without good reason.

Yeah. It's easy. Just start here or here.

Of course, my views are my own and are not representative of any employer.

You could also install Ubuntu as a disk image on your hard drive. You will still need to boot into it (it's not a VM), but it's a very easy install (ie hit next a few times, like most Windows apps).

but still made me chuckle cereal onto my keyboard.. From the microsoft technet forum:

Microsoft just released an update, but you have to download it separately. Go to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download and following the insructions.

Windows based Ubuntu installer might also be nice and easy for you to try out. It is still in beta form though (I think it will eventually be like https://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ).

The basic CD should be a live CD allowing you to try out some of the basic features, such as openoffice and firefox without actually installing anything on your system. Once it is booted up, the actual installation process is done by clicking on the icon on the desktop, and allows you to graphically select your partition set up. Duel booting with your current OS is also pretty easy.

actually, check out progress with install.exe, no need to burn an iso or anything.

Linux is getting easier and easier to install (so long as you're lucky with hardware). Ubuntu 7.04 really looks like it could be a distro that many users could install, set up, and run

Ever since Ubuntu Edgy much of the low hanging fruit in speeding up the Ubuntu boot has already been taken. Looking at the bootcharts for my system since then shows remarkably little time when the CPU is idle once the base kernel has finished loading. This means that running anything more in parallel simply won't net me anything (in fact scheduler overhead and disk thrashing may in theory make things slower).

For example, there is an improvement in the time it takes for the clock to appear from "Ubuntu Dapper Flight 3 Default kernel" to "Ubuntu Feisty Herd 5 generic kernel". The Ubuntu folks worked hard to try an eliminate sleeps from their initscripts and when a sleep was unavoidable they would run other parts of the startup process in parallel. They also made changes to Xorg to prevent it (re)reading so much stuff on launch. There was also the introduction of the readahead script which tries to arrange for as much of the boot time reading to be done in one big chunk. Throughput is higher when the disk is only reading and can utilise it's readahead. An attempt is also made to try and request files in the order in which they are laid out on disk (to minimise disk seeks which hurt performance). In Feisty a move was made to using dash instead of bash for scripts because it was smaller and executes scripts faster.

The only things that seem to win me any gain over the default Ubuntu Feisty install are turning off initscripts for services I absolutely won't use (e.g. ipv4 autoconfig via avahi) and reducing the number of restricted binary driver modules being probed (I have long noticed that the only benefit that recompiling the kernel gives to boot speed is that you can simply leave out features not on your computer making the initial kernel startup where it probes for things you might not have (like which software RAID is faster) a shade faster). It is also worth noting that Ubuntu starts X quite early and continues loading services afterwards which means the gain from disabling one of these "after X" services (like CUPS) isn't so noticeable (but might mean your desktop actually starts responding to clicks a bit sooner).

Profiling the boot to try and improve the readahead takes a long time to run - the profile run seems to take three times as long as a regular boot. It could be argued that you will never gain back the extra time you waited on the profile run...

I suspect reducing the boot further will start to need more complicated procedures, perhaps reordering modprobe.conf and reducing the amount of needless reading of files. Eventually you end up having to do the same tricks as Windows/OSX - e.g. working out where the fastest part of the disk is and copying every file needed to boot there, bringing up the network cardafter the desktop has started, periodically defraging bits of the disk, prelinking...

Ever since Ubuntu Edgy much of the low hanging fruit in speeding up the Ubuntu boot has already been taken. Looking at the bootcharts for my system since then shows remarkably little time when the CPU is idle once the base kernel has finished loading. This means that running anything more in parallel simply won't net me anything (in fact scheduler overhead and disk thrashing may in theory make things slower).

For example, there is an improvement in the time it takes for the clock to appear from "Ubuntu Dapper Flight 3 Default kernel" to "Ubuntu Feisty Herd 5 generic kernel". The Ubuntu folks worked hard to try an eliminate sleeps from their initscripts and when a sleep was unavoidable they would run other parts of the startup process in parallel. They also made changes to Xorg to prevent it (re)reading so much stuff on launch. There was also the introduction of the readahead script which tries to arrange for as much of the boot time reading to be done in one big chunk. Throughput is higher when the disk is only reading and can utilise it's readahead. An attempt is also made to try and request files in the order in which they are laid out on disk (to minimise disk seeks which hurt performance). In Feisty a move was made to using dash instead of bash for scripts because it was smaller and executes scripts faster.

The only things that seem to win me any gain over the default Ubuntu Feisty install are turning off initscripts for services I absolutely won't use (e.g. ipv4 autoconfig via avahi) and reducing the number of restricted binary driver modules being probed (I have long noticed that the only benefit that recompiling the kernel gives to boot speed is that you can simply leave out features not on your computer making the initial kernel startup where it probes for things you might not have (like which software RAID is faster) a shade faster). It is also worth noting that Ubuntu starts X quite early and continues loading services afterwards which means the gain from disabling one of these "after X" services (like CUPS) isn't so noticeable (but might mean your desktop actually starts responding to clicks a bit sooner).

Profiling the boot to try and improve the readahead takes a long time to run - the profile run seems to take three times as long as a regular boot. It could be argued that you will never gain back the extra time you waited on the profile run...

I suspect reducing the boot further will start to need more complicated procedures, perhaps reordering modprobe.conf and reducing the amount of needless reading of files. Eventually you end up having to do the same tricks as Windows/OSX - e.g. working out where the fastest part of the disk is and copying every file needed to boot there, bringing up the network cardafter the desktop has started, periodically defraging bits of the disk, prelinking...

According to this, feisty will switch fully to the new system, but I haven't mention of it in more recent release notes ...

This "reinstall / switch distros at the first sign of trouble" tactic seems odd at best.

Most Linux distributions are not targetted at people who are new to Linux. I'm pretty sure there aren't 10 good user-oriented distros.

For anyone else new to Linux, I have a couple of strong suggestions for you:
- Stick to Ubuntu - you can go exploring in the wilds of random distros later.
- Use the instructions on the Ubuntu site to accomplish basic install tasks: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
- Try to fix your problems, even ask in the IRC channel or on the forums, before reinstalling. Unlike Windows, a reboot or a re-install won't (usually) magically make your problems go away - if the install process or boot process was going to fix it, it would have done so the first time you installed / booted.

Of course! It's called WINE, which is not an emulator but a translator of Windows API calls that can even run games like World of Warcraft.

And of course there's always virtualization of Windows on Linux, as on any OS. If you like the Parallels Coherence thing, you can do that on Linux, too, check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtuali zation

Programs that do virtualization: VirtualBox, qemu (with KQemu accelerator), qemu-launcher, vmware, etc...

You could always try reading the Ubuntu Nvidia Binary Driver Howto

There's also the ATI Binary Driver Howto, I used this howto and got my old Radeon 9600XT working in about 5 minutes.

You could always try reading the Ubuntu Nvidia Binary Driver Howto

There's also the ATI Binary Driver Howto, I used this howto and got my old Radeon 9600XT working in about 5 minutes.

Just to clarify, the upgrade process cannot skip interim releases. That is, to upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04, the recommended and supported path is to go from 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes

If that's the case, it should be impossible to upgrade to 7.04 without upgrading to 6.10 first. That is, any attempt to upgrade to 7.04 on 6.06 will fall back to installing 6.10 and only then install 7.04. Anything less is just broken.

Can you actually sell ubuntu CDs that you download?

Take a chill pill, man. About the names - go to http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ and note the title of the page. Notice anything? Like, say, a cheesy name for an operating system? That would only be there if it were being used as part of the official terminology. So, like, the first poster was right and you were just vindictive. Jeeze.

PS - About the 'slashdork' comment: Takes one to know one.

I was able to install Edgy on my MBP with only slight trickery as described here. The LiveCD booted with no problems at all. The only shortcoming is no wireless; trying to use ndiswrapper produced kernel panics on boot.

Isn't it still March now? Why 7.04 instead of 7.03?

Just to clarify, the upgrade process cannot skip interim releases. That is, to upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04, the recommended and supported path is to go from 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes