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Ulteo, The New 'World's Easiest Linux'
ggarron writes "Gael Duval, the creator of Mandrake and now fired from Mandriva, has created a new Linux distro, based on Ubuntu, and it claims to be the easiest Linux, and that it will redefine the Desktop philosophy."
it claims to be the easiest Linux
No, the easiest Linux is Tivo.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
You mean, even easier than Slackware or even Gentoo?!?
You just got troll'd!
It doesn't matter if it lives up to its claim or not, as long as it helps the average user get into Linux. Any 'easy' distro is welcome to join the fray. Welcome aboard.
I know I haven't. Fragmentation++
How we know is more important than what we know.
How can it claim to redefine ANY philosophy if its aim is merely a rehash of the tired Windows 95 interface? Come on, a "start" menu?!
I understand the need to make switchers feel at home, and that's great for an "easy Linux" standpoint, but don't try to shove some "revolution" bullshit down our throats at the same time.
Real linux users:
Have beards
Drink (free) beer
And ROLL THEIR OWN DISTROs!!!!!
*cue insane laughter*
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Having it based on Kubuntu actually worries me quite a bit. I have installed Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu, and the only one I have ever seen have any serious problems was Kubuntu. Ubuntu has been running for months on a completely non-tech savvy individual's computer, Xubuntu for about the same on a semi-savvy individual, and Kubuntu...Well Kubuntu crapped out on a semi-savvy individual after 2 months. I don't know if this is just my experiences coming through, but I've noticed a few others mentioning this difference as well. So I'd be glad to have something that's KDE based that I can recommend to anyone, but if it's Kubuntu based, I'm very weary.
"Don't meddle in the affairs of a patent dragon, for thou art tasty and good with ketchup." ~ohcrapitssteve
And not the article itself. Too bad, would have been nice to hear whether this was a real contender or not.
MyLinux the easiest Linux ever... because I SAY SO! ;)
The article summary is slightly incorrect: Ulteo is based on Kubuntu, not on Ubuntu. This means that it used KDE instead of GNOME as its default desktop environment.
This is not a surprise, considering that Gael Duval is a big fan of KDE and started Mandrake by adding KDE packages to a base Red Hat distribution. But this announcement of a new Linux distribution started as a fork of an existing one sounds a bit like an ego fight. Also, I have serious doubts about using KDE for the "World's Easiest Linux". Either Gael Duval plans to dumb down KDE and hide most of its options, or his definition of "easiest" is rather biased (maybe "easiest for those with a solid experience of Windows"?). Neither seems to be obvious by looking at the Ulteo web site.
Also, the only screenshot available so far does not look like something that would be really easy to use. Compared to a default KDE 3.5 installation, this screenshot looks a bit closer to the default Windows XP interface, so maybe he does really think that "easiest" means "easiest for experienced Windows users". However, Firefox looks rather standard (it is interesting to note that he does not use Konq for browsing) and there does not seem to be anything special about the Konqueror window either.
So after looking at the various articles on the Ulteo web site claiming that it started with a study of "users with limited knowledge in computers", I am still wondering what is so special about this new fork of an existing distribution, and what it really means by "easiest".
I agree. Also, it is difficult for anybody (including usability experts) to judge anything from a static screenshot, even if you can already have some hints by looking at the crowded menus or at the buttons available in the applications. It would be easier to comment on a movie (screencast). Or just by trying it or watching other users try it.
I have serious doubts about the usability of Ulteo when I look at the navigation on their web site. Just try accessing the items in the second-level menu bar and you should see the problem quickly: if you do not move your mouse exactly as the site designer expected, you will have a hard time selecting the item that you want. As an exercise, try selecting UlteOS/Screenshots or Docs/Documentation and see how frustrating it can be if you move your mouse a bit too far up or down. And this site is supposed to promote the "easiest Linux"?
-Raphaël
That the world's easiest Linux has the world's most ANNOYING menu bar on their website. You can't get from the button you hovered over to the link you want to click without it disappearing or changing.
These guys suck. Fuck Ulteo.
This is just a tad late: Ulteo has been around for a while. The first time I heard it was in back in Nov 06.
kill all the fucking niggers
Before anyone tears into me -- I freely admit there is room for improvement. And yes, completely inexperienced users sometimes do take a moment to get the exact purpose of, or difference between quick launcher, taskbar and system tray. But still, all in all, it's a pretty solid interface. Personally, I've never been convinced by attempts to redesign the interface. I don't like the Gnome interface because it spreads things that ought to be in one place all over the screen without serious gains in usability, and keeps me from just flicking my cursor to the upper right and clicking if I want to close a window, which is a small detail, but annoying to me. I don't like the OSX interface too much, either -- again, it spreads out stuff that might just as well be in one place, letting every window keep its menu bar to itself makes more sense to me*, and putting open and closed programmes next to each other as big colourful icons might look nice, but also feels seriously cluttered and a lot less structured to me. I admit I don't use Macs much these days, so maybe I'm overlooking something, but from what I have seen, I'm not terribly impressed.
Most attempts at redesigning the desktop interface that I've seen may have a lower learning curve than the Windows 95 one, but they also seem to limit the user more once he gets beyond the level of an absolute beginner. And a computer just isn't a typewriter. No matter how simplified the interface is, you *are* going to have to put at least a little effort into learning how to use it. That's a basic fact that we might as well accept.
If someone can come up with a better interface without losing functionality, I'm up for it. But why should an interface be "tired" and need to be re-designed completely just because it's been around for a long time?
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* Yes, I know that Apple's menu bar at the top came before Windows style menu bars. I learned to use computers on an old Macintosh SE with Mac OS 6.0.7.
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I always said that what Mandrake needed was to ditch RPM and move to DEB package format. But the hypothetical "debdrake" never materialised, what with the Conectiva merger (they were the ones who had bodged apt to work with rpm files). Also, Mandrake and Debian have certain fundamental incompatibilities that won't go away with a few judiciously-placed symlinks. So it would have been a big jump
The second smart thing any distro could do would be to ditch -dev packages and put the developers' files right there in the main package. Because then, when some user inevitably has to install something from a source tarball that says it requires package "foo" -- which they are just l33t enough to know they installed from the official repository, but being still a bit of a n00b they don't know that this package also requires "foo-dev" -- they don't end up going ga-ga.
I realise why -dev files were separated out back in the day. I just don't think that the reasons for doing so are valid anymore! Most of us have bigger HDDs and faster internet connections. Those who really want "stripped-to-the-bone" systems are smart enough to know what they can get rid of. And the whole -dev thing is just so non-obvious.
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That is acceptable in some dialects of English, most notably Indian English.
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I find marketing Linux as "easy" to be nothing short of reprehensible. Hiding essential functionality behind a faux-Windows desktop not only makes Linux look like a cheap crappy Windows knock-off, but it de-emphasizes many of the reasons why Linux is better than Windows -- reasons why some people want to leave Windows in the first place. Nobody who really values easiness is going to install a new operating system. If anything they're going to buy a Mac. Linux is sophisticated and powerful, and IMHO the community would be best served by marketing it as such.
and what do you propose?
to install any OS from the CD you'll need to setup the BIOS to boot from it. if the distribution is any good, then magazines will start to include it on their CD/DVDs and then downloading/burning the image won't be needed either.
of course, you could always..do...this
What's your GCNSEQNO?
(the one in London, UK, not the one in SA) we end a sentence like that.
"You're a pedant, isn't it." instead of
"You're a pedant, aren't you."
Often contracted to 'innit'.
my password really is 'stinkypants'
Go on, try to quickly navigate the submenus of their site here.
Make me feel bitter about their "easiest linux ever" statement, especially the part about "easiest".
- Treat users like they have a clue, or at least are capable of growing a clue.
- Don't try to be like Windows. If there's a better way to do something than the way Windows does it, do it the better way.
- Don't pretend the command line doesn't exist. It does exist, and it's often better than drag-and-drool. Present the user with some graded command-line exercises to get them used to it gently -- and make it easy to restore the state, because they might not get it right first time.
- This is not Windows, and we are free to eschew Windows paradigms in favour of genuinely better alternatives where such exist.
- No -dev packages! Put the -dev files in the main package. This will make the packages bigger and slower to download. I don't care. Hard disks have grown bigger and internet connections have grown faster since binary packages were invented. It's better all around for users to have the -dev files and not need them, than to need them and not have them. Beside which, how many copies of msvcrt*.dll and the rest do you find on a typical Windows box?
- One of the first exercises will be compiling a package from source and installing it. If you can do that, you can do anything.
- Be i-tal by default; but recognise that some people will want to pollute their systems with toxic closed-source software and allow for this to be done in the least-damaging way possible.
- Stop trying to pretend to be Windows to the point where you begin to lose all Linux-ness. Reverse gear on a Ford is right and towards you, reverse gear on a Vauxhall is left and away from you. If people can cope with that sort of thing in cars, they can cope with something similar on computers.
This perceived need to be like Windows is seriously stifling computing, IMHO. The Apple Mac is a breath of fresh air, but we don't really want to be like that either.Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
Windows gets installed mostly by OEMs (and overwhelmingly so outside industry).
Given that Dell now ship machines with a variety of Linux distros preinstalled (http://www.dell.com/linux) I don't think installation from scratch is a major factor in ease of use anymore.
Firefox default browser: Check.
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Thunderbird default email: Check.
Start menu emulating 90% of the world's previous computer experience: Check.
Weird how all the Linux gees come out to troll just because *GASP* somebody is trying to make something useful for the other 90% of the world!
Stop being assholes. I'm using Feisty right now, and I love it, but it's got twenty pretty serious flaws that make it hard to recommend to n00bs:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3918
Any distro that addresses and solves all these issues, and offers a solid LiveCD that does what 90% of humanity wants "out of box" is a good thing.
What's the matter with you people? Did you get picked on too much in school or something?
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Anyone else notice that the firefox included is version 1.5?
"I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
You should have warned me that the second command was the un-install!
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Whatever happened to linking straight to the source instead of someone's lame blog? http://www.ulteo.com/main/
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
Hahaha I don't know if you are serious about this or not but if you are man you are seriously out of touch with non-geek users.
There's no way people are going to put up with going through "command line exercizes" so that they can learn how to use it. To most folks a computer is a tool to get things done on, not a hobby to work on itself. The command line isn't better for anyone who is NOT a geek. For non-geeks the graphical user interface with its drag and drop abilities rules the roost. But seriously, good luck with that cause you're going to need it.
Seriously what is it with geeks assuming that the CLI is superior to the GUI for everyone? Can you not see from Distrowatch alone that the most popular distros are the ones that are the easist to use? You don't see Slackware or Gentoo in the #1 spot do you? No. You see Ubuntu. I know you are all a bunch of smart guys so why is this so hard to understand for you?
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Magazines? What magazines? When was the last time you saw a general-interest PC magazine on the racks?
There is a reason people don't go replacing old tools that work, and in a forum about Linux, one'd expect people to know it... It seems the GP doesn't. Now, I always found the Gnome bars cool, but never felt confortable using them. Reading your post I discovered why... I never tought about it with a UI pespective.
And, about:
Date and an easy to access calendar. Don't forget the calendar
Rethinking email
Symphony OS is taking a much more radical approach to changing the desktop environment. There are many good ideas with it's Mezzo interface, and some not so good. But it's far and away more "redefining" than Ulteo will ever be.
Aside from that, why does Ulteo think that auto-updates are a good idea? They must have really liked Microsoft's WGA and the forced security updates and such. Mmm mm fun!
...and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Divergence!!! YAY!!!!!!!
Just what the world needs - another Linux distro. Maybe if a few good folks could set their egos aside, and rather than create Yet Another Linux Distro, actually contribute to an existing community, we might converge on a manageable set of improved distros. This fragmentation is destroying, rather improving, the outlook for Linux. We are rapidly building a Tower of Linux Babel.
So we should include the -dev files in the main package because that's how Windows does it, and the users have a clue so they know how to get the -dev package anyway... It all makes sense to me now. We need to stop trying to be like Windows by doing what Windows does and treat users like they have a clue by making sure they don't get confused when they need a -dev package.
After 3 days without programming, life becomes meaningless
- The Tao of Programming
"his definition of "easiest" is rather biased (maybe "easiest for those with a solid experience of Windows"?"
Frankly Windows is a standard. Much like the QWERTY keyboard is the standard. There have been other keyboard layouts that are supposed to be easier to learn and faster the the QWERTY keyboard. But if you already know the QWERTY keyboard then that is the easiest to use and learn.
I have set average long time Windows users down in front of a Mac OS/X system and they hated it and thought it was harder to use than Windows. These people had only used Windows machines so that is "easy" to use for them. Most people would rather deal with the Devil they know is better than the Angel they don't. It is sad but many Computer "Windows" experts feel that if they can not sit down and make a computer work the way that windows works then it is broken or it just sucks.
I am not saying this is a good thing. I really hate that Windows has become a standard. Heck I an mot thrilled that Linux has become entrenched as the ultimate FOSS OS. Unix is like 40 years old. I would love to see something really new. I would love to see a FOSS OS that was super innovative but I will take what I can get for now.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
WTF? Since when has ANY windows application included development files?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
So, uh, Gentoo then.
Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
You did have to go and remind us of the hideous (and hilarious) eyesore that some (I think it was the "Gnus for Geeks") website became last year around this time.
Nowadays, the majority of computer users have nice large hard drives, fast internet connections and bigger portable media like rewritable CDs/DVDs and keyring flash drives. Many people are in a position to try out GNU/Linux who are not as full of the pioneer spirit as us old-timers. Why should they have to be? We went out into the wilderness and we tamed it, with tarmac roads and flush toilets so those who came after wouldn't have to do things the hard way. And the reasons for separating out the -dev files -- basically, saving bytes -- are less valid than the reasons for not separating them out -- basically, simplifying foreign package installation.
Treating users like they have a clue is one thing, and maybe it's valid just to say "If you want package foo, look for foo-dev which will install foo plus some extra files which you'll need if you ever want to build other packages that work with foo." But if you took that to the extreme, you'd still have a lever on the steering column of your car to adjust the ignition timing instead of having the engine management system (or a pair of weights and a tube from the carburettor!) work it out for you. Maybe you do and if so, more power to you. I've been through the -dev thing and out the other side, but I still can't get rid of the feeling that it's just that sort of niggly little thing that puts less intrepid types off before they get as far as seeing the good stuff.
Not really. Linux -dev packages contain files which get generated during compilation and which may need to be referred to in future when compiling a program which works with the one they came from. They are never required just in order to run a program; and if you downloaded the second program ready-compiled from your kernel distributor, you wouldn't need the -dev files. They only become necessary when -- not if, when -- you need to compile third-party packages from source; and no distributor, not even the mighty Debian, has every package ever written pre-compiled in their repositories.
Much third-party software for Windows insists to put extra copies of important DLLs (which are system libraries; MSVCRT.DLL is the Microsoft Visual C/C++ runtime, more analogous to libc) all over the place because there is no obvious way to determine where they should be found, let alone fetch them if they are missing; so it plays it safe. Windows installers aren't like Linux package managers, in that an installer only installs its own program(s); it doesn't do proper dependency-resolution.
If Windows actually got something right, then where's the harm in doing it that way?
I've already explained why I think -dev packages are a very bad idea in today's climate. Installing a package from source needn't be any harder than
$ wget http://your.favourite.download.site.sld.cc/complic ated/path/to/foo.tar.gz
$ tar xvzf f
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
init() ends YOU!!
I'm proud to announce that I've just now finished the world's easiest linux distribution, called ObscureNameo, based on the Ulteo distro, based on the Ubuntu distro, based on Debian.
/etc and glibc make for one powerful user experience.
... It won't try to provide the ultimate desktop to users - we believe that current Linux desktops are most often excellent. Massive Linux adoption relies on something else."
I hope to have ObscureNameo LameuVersiono Alpha 1 ready for download soon.
For many minutes I've been thinking about how users are accustomed to working in the Windows world, and I've taken all that is great about Windows and injected it into ObscureNameo. We're talking scroll-wheel support, desktop backgrounds, and even the world wide web. These features combined with all the things like
ObscureNameo LameuVersiono Alpha 1 includes software like Kolongo 1.3.9, Kgruntsi 0.1.0a, and of course BINAGN (Binagn Is Not A Good Name) 3.7.4.
Ok, but seriously, maybe they've got something here. Ubuntu could certainly use some competition. But I'm a little put off by the website copy: "Ulteo was designed as a new concept which benefits from internet access to ease the way people use computers.
Hmm. I'd rather have the ultimate desktop than a sub-ultimate desktop. Or is ultimate now a negative thing? Regardless, the one screenshot they managed to put up looks suspiciously like everything that we've ever seen. I'll have to download the alpha and give it a whirl though... all cynicism aside, I am interested. I'm guessing that this is a stripped down Ubuntu with what appears to be some kind of active desktop.
The buttons on the window decoratons (pic) look awful.
I think that most modern distros are now using at least 2.6.18 (heck I think even debian/stable does), as that particular kernel introduced a lot of improvements to IO performance.
Even that apps look quite dated (1.5.x series firefox, etc)
It might be user-friendly, but it's definitely not very up-to-date.
it's crap.
My first real taste of Linux was Mandrake. I had played with Redhat off and on beginning with Redhat 3.0 (I still have the factory CD I bought) but when I abandoned M$ and converted fully to Linux it was Mandrake.
Absolute CRAP. I spent a full year pissing in the wind trying to get Mandrake stabilized and functional but it was always locking up causing me to press the reset button several times a day, each time causing serious damage to the file system.
I finally got a belly full of Mandrake and installed Suse 8.1
From that point on life went so much smoother. I could at last use my computer rather than spend all my time fighting to keep it running or to get it running in the first place.
Being that this new distro is the spawn of one of the Mandrake people I already know without looking that it's shit. I'll pass and I suggest that you pass too if you want a functional, stable system.
Now I am in the process of converting my systems from Suse to Gentoo because of the Micro-Novell debacle.
Go Debian or Gentoo but avoid Mandr* inspired distros at all costs.
Easy to use =/= good.
So clever. She tried to use black rubber bracelets to mask her wrist slits. It's OK, lady. You aren't the only Mac user out there.
Depending on what window decorations you use, the upper right pixel on the screen does different things. In my current window decorations, it doesn't do anything (I guess it de-focuses the current window :\) which isn't really optimal. In plastik, the current default KDE decorations, it lets you resize from that point.
I want to agree with you, that the GNOME bar makes it harder to close windows quickly, but it seems that some adjustment is needed after throwing the cursor regardless of whether the GNOME bar is up there.
In GNOME I found that the middle of the top bar is completely wasted, so I ditched the top bar in favor if a kde-style panel at the bottom. Now I'm using KDE and I have the wonkiest panel configuration ever, with one panel on each screen, at the left and right sides. Vertical taskbars are nice, because the amount of filled space gives you really fast visual feedback about the number of tasks running.
If the GNOME double-panel scheme is good for anything, it's branding.
Date and an easy to access calendar. Don't forget the calendar :)... If only I could find one at my Windows computer at work...
http://www.crispybytes.com/dateintray/?abt
"Date In Tray". Does pretty much exactly what it claims. Works well, and is free.
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The problem here is that he's just making it easier to install. Not to actually set up.
Xandros beat him to it a long time ago and is well worth the $30-$40 for a first time UNIX user. Nice hand-holding, nice drivers, easy as pie to install, and real live customer support to walk you through it.
As a computer person myself, I'd not pay for it, but as an average person who would rather get back to answering emails and watching TIVO episodes of 24, $30-$40 is cheap for the time and asprin it saves.
"The first answer we have is to consider the OS + applications as a whole system that we could call an "Application System". This system should:
1- always provide the most up to date stable features and self-upgrade automatically
2- require no, or very little, administration by the user
3- open users horizon to potentially every application which exists, the simple way
For this release of Ulteo Sirius Alpha1, we have focused on the first point. This means that after the first installation, Ulteo will try to check for any new versions available if a network connection is available, and self-upgrade by using an incremental upgrade mechanism."
Uh, now exactly how does this differ from Kubuntu?
EXACTLY, please?
I get up in the morning, I see an Adept icon in the system tray. I click on it, it downloads suggested updates, I select them and say apply, it does, I'm done.
Are we saying that Ulteo will automatically apply these upgrades without telling me - like Windows can do - and that these upgrades will NOT break anything on the system - guaranteed?
If so, that's nice - but it hardly makes Ulteo a massive advancement over Kubuntu.
If they can pull off the last two points, that WOULD be a major advance. Email me when it happens.
First, though, I'l wait until a) they prove their installation process works first time, every time, and b) they make good on their "self-upgrade" promise.
Until then, I'll stick with Kubuntu - or move back to Mandriva, Gael's old distro.
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Long live the new flavor of the month! The new distro smell hasn't even worn off of Ubunghole, and already people are moving on.
And everyone tries to claim Linux people are too flighty!! With this level of dedication and determination, we should be catching Windows 95's tail lights any decade now.
*cough* So you do operate that way. You just don't see yourself as a troll.
Arguing the faults of Linux that were resolved a year ago as valid points makes people at the very least question your motives. And at worse, call you a troll.
You know, if you made valid points against Ubuntu you would be upgraded to hater (I am an MS hater for instance). You could do a lot more damage if your arguments were credible. But you don't really want that, do you? From what I've witnessed of you, I can only conclude that you only want negative attention.
If I were to classify you, I would categorize your behaviour as being synonymous with a dumped 15-year-old ex-girlfriend who won't stop calling at 2 AM. And my advice would be the same, "Get over it!"
That is why you are a troll.
Good question, I haven't really looked in awhile. Have they *all* disappeared??
What's your GCNSEQNO?
Were you able to discern either from the OP or the linked article how this Ulteo distribution is different from Ubuntu or anything else? The article says that existing Linux desktop offerings (such as Mandriva and Ubuntu, presumably) are not sufficient to ensure widespread Linux adoption (though I would contest the implicit assertion that Linux is somehow NOT already widespread in a variety of arenas), and then fails to say what IS necessary, and for that matter how his offering is different.
Unless I missed something?
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You could also install Ubuntu as a disk image on your hard drive. You will still need to boot into it (it's not a VM), but it's a very easy install (ie hit next a few times, like most Windows apps).
It's not about replacing adequate tools. Steering wheels work great on cars, but there comes a time when you can't market a steering wheel as a feature. It's to be taken for granted, because it is beyond mundane--it's expected.
"Tired" doesn't mean that it needs to be replaced. It just means that it's old and worn, and it's absurd to claim that you're doing it better than anyone else doing the exact same thing.
Just because it works doesn't mean it's not tired. It's old, it's unimpressive, but it's functional. So is the wheel. It's a tired metaphor, but there's no compelling reason to switch to anything else.
The general desktop interface is well established. Toolbars and menus aren't the problem. Windows 95 is dated. Again, the "start" menu isn't really well thought-out. It's a dumping ground for everything. The desktop is an icon minefield for so many users--but why? Why isn't the default, empty desktop of a computer a fully usable interface? We've got folders to keep files. We've got multiple desktops and file drawers to make use of multiple applications and quick-access to commonly used files and shortcuts. We've got an adequate menu system that can handle topical separation, instead of piling it all into submenus of a single button which might as well be called "menu." We have high-resolution displays capable of handling more than a thin strip of text and small icons to show what's open.
Just because something works well doesn't mean it's really the best. Mac OS and KDE and Gnome and BeOS all work pretty well. "Easy" shouldn't mean simply 'familiar'--nor can "revolutionary" mean "rehash." Ulteo is only "easy" if you already know Windows, in which case ANYTHING can be as easy so long as it copies Windows.
It's not a bad decision, and it's not a criticism of the UI choice, because as you say, it works fine. But it's no more or less "easy" than anything else, and it's certainly not "revolutionary" in any capacity.
C:\Documents and Settings\APK+++++++++++++++++\Desktop\imustfindmyl over.txt?
For the last time, APK: NO MEANS NO.
+++ATH0
I am not apk, but you are yet another snivelling arstechnica online weasel caught lying as usual, and exposed for it here at slashdot:
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"Also, I never said I was from Staten Island. You did. I never said I was the girl in that picture either, you did." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday March 29, @06:16PM (#18536049)
I never said you were a girl, YOU did, lol! Here is the posting where you did:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227475&cid=184 94155
You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
More typical arstechnica forums members online lies, exposed.
(StarKruzr = Jeremy Reimer's disciple, lol, he gets caught in lies like Jeremy Reimer: The ULTIMATE liar, pretending to be some computer expert, yet has no degrees in computer science, nor even A+ or MSCE certs, or years if not decades of professional experience in this field in the trenches, that starts up crap with everyone?)
StarKruzr is not a woman though like he said quoted above. (but starloser certainly is a liar, another Jeremy Reimer/Jay Little (arstechnica morons who operate the same way and get caught everytime) style liar, lol, & like they, got his ass beat in thru his own dishonesties) and starLOSER is from Staten Island NY, and that is him in the photo below and his name's jarett.
You are such a liar, you just will not stop will you? StarKruzr from Staten Island?? You said it on other forums.
StarKruzr
Geek Apprentice
On your being starkruzr and from Staten Island?
Posts: 49
From: Staten Island, NY, USA, Earth, Sol System
Registered: Jul 2000
That's from this site -> http://www.geekculture.com/ultimatebb/Forum11/HTML
You're from staten island and being named Jarrett, we already know this is your photo at this point in the url below, and if you note it's name? You see Jarett in that photo name. Again: You are a guy, or look like one, sorry to tell you, lol... NOT A WOMAN, even though you said you were, lol! You surely act like one, rotflmao.
http://gallery.r3v3ng.net/albums/BoardyPhotos/jare tt_katey_maria.jpg
Though it may come as a shock to you, considering your pud's probably too tiny to see, lol, you probably THINK you are a woman, lol! But, you are a guy, or a liar... lol!
AND THIS THREAD HERE SHOWS YOU ARE MATCHING AN EMAIL TO YOUR NAME starkruzr, to jarett
http://www.opacity.us/search.php?q=starkruzr%40sta rkruzr.com&submit=search&where=comments&u=1#result s
Posted by: Jarett
Hi guys, Anyone know what her name is? starkruzr@starkruzr.com
Man, You're a TOTAL liar starLOSER, who's been caught, and the arstechnica member trend and typical pattern continues, lol, BUSTED as a liar.
Are you proud of this? Because if so, do not consider politics as a career. ROTFLMAO!
If you do, I am talking to the next Richard Nixon, and lol, certainly NOT George Washington ("I cannot tell a lie") lol... except you are chopping down your credibility faster than George Washington could whack down his cherry tree, & your own lies are the axe, lol!
Man, you are TOO easy to see through & far too easy to prove you are a liar.
What a waste of time, we are all dealing with a total liar in StarLOSER here! Another dishonorable arstechnica coward, oh well, typical of them!
"I think it's HILARIOUS to harass YOU online. Just you. Only you." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Friday March 30, @12:21AM (#18539431)
One who thinks it's cool to harass others
Yeah i'm talking to you. The wannabe computer programmer who thinks they are good at computers because they can click around the computer enough times and find the reboot button and 'fix' an inherently flawed windows system. You think you're cool because you can pirate photoshop but not know anything about it, get Microsoft Office for free but have the literacy of a 1st grader when writing a paper, and get a copy of Norton Anti-virus because your inherently flawed system is useless without Administrative privileges. Get a clue, you are not smart, you are just a corporate sheep for a company that will bury you if you ever tried to write any software that did anything remotely useful. You are a clickaround and all you know if your ugly gray existence that is Windows.
/dev/random > Windows.com
Want the sourcecode to windows vista?
head -n 1000000
That's a common misbelief. "Stale" doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place--stale bread makes better French toast and croutons. Likewise, "tired" simply means worn, mundane, or hackneyed. It's erroneous to connote it with "no good." It's simply no longer new or worthy of remark. If you have stored in your head a connotation that requires anything "tired" meaning that it doesn't have its place or uses, you've lost fidelity to the original metaphor.
The connotation is bad. That's reality. Just because you can find an exceptional use for stale bread doesn't make the connotation go away. Clearly when described to interfaces and technology "tired" has a bad connotation, and that is how people are going to read it.
You can't define connotations not in the definition, and certainly not contrary to the author's intentions. The very definition of "tired" is, as I said, mundane, hackneyed, or worn. None of those necessitate replacement. If you are attaching that meaning to it, you're going beyond the scope of the word. Tired does not mean "obsolete" or "broken" or "ineffective." That's the long and the short of it.
You might have that association in your mind, but it doesn't make it correct or intended. Your interpretation of the statement is wrong. That's a fact. You can't nitpick without authorities.
Spoon-feeding distros that try to look like Windows, but don't, just end up being rejected. This is because they look so close to Windows that users complain when they don't work exactly the same way. A truly easy to use distro needs an individual, intuitive GUI, not one that people can claim is a bad copy of anything Microsoft's put out.
I've never heard anyone say that they hate the absence of a 'Start' menu in OSX.
Stale food in general is avoided in favor of fresh food. Worn items are replaced. Mundane work is to be avoided. Hackneyed expressions should be avoided in writing or speech. All these words have negative connotation.
I can't believe you're arguing this bullshit. How tiresome. Have the last word; I'm out.
Worn objects are not always replaced (jeans, furniture, cars). Mundane work still exists, even if it's not liked. Stale food doesn't mean it's inedible. Hackneyed is a descriptor and nothing more. You are associating a negative connotation that goes beyond the meaning of the words--connotation is always based on the word, and by definition cannot be the same for every person. As a matter of pragmatics, there are a number of degrees of liberty where semantic reference remains true to semantic sense. Your connotation is not correct. It is not the intention of the author, jackass. You simply can't argue the point.
You're the one arguing bullshit, and I'll gladly take the last word, because I WROTE THE DAMN SENTENCE. Your connotation is wrong. Period, full stop.
Enjoy your next ill-founded linguistic argument. Perhaps you will target blood oranges for not being the color of blood. Or maybe someone will comment that their car is worn out and you'll attack them for not replacing or even DESIRING a replacement.
What a tool.