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Off-topic, but it is possible to use FF2/flash(7&9!)/java on a AMD64 system w/ *Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537&hi ghlight=flash+java+firefox I have been doing it since 6.06, because the 64-bit version of Firefox had broken javascript. I hate when the package maintainers think they are smarter than the people who developed the application. Also, Edgy is much easier to install TV-Tuner cards in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_hard ware Although I haven't done it on a 64-bit system, it was way easier setting up my mythbox than on 5.10.

We've just got to flush 20+ years of expertize down the drain, unlearn everything we know, and re-learn it all on linux, using *TOTALLY* different apps, different languages, APIs, widgets, frameworks, concepts and everything else.

Welcome to the world of computers. I remember having to mess around with 64K segments and do all kinds of wierd stuff to access memory above 640K back in the DOS days. Now that everything is 32-bit or better all of that knowledge is useless.

And this is exactly my point about wanting to know where stuff is installed. Why does that matter to you? The package manager puts the files where they need to be and deletes those files if you request that the package is removed. So here is where apache is installed. Exactly how does this knowledge help you?

Yes the RTFM line can be annoying but apache is server software. Server stuff is designed to be admin-friendly but not intuitive. That way someone who knows what they're doing can get apache, php, mysql, etc set up in a couple of minute. A beginner should read at least the page and a half on Basic settings to know a little bit about how to set up the software. So apache takes an experienced admin a couple of minutes to set up, but a beginner about 10 minutes. IIS takes 5-10 minutes for everyone to go through the hand holding install.

Not sure how you're having problems with mp3s over samba. Just click Places->Network Servers find the server the file is on and click on it. The song will play. When windows XP came out Network Neighborhood wasn't on the desktop anymore. Surely it didn't take hours of looking through 200 page pdf files to figure out how to play an MP3 over SMB in windows XP?

We've just got to flush 20+ years of expertize down the drain, unlearn everything we know, and re-learn it all on linux, using *TOTALLY* different apps, different languages, APIs, widgets, frameworks, concepts and everything else.

Welcome to the world of computers. I remember having to mess around with 64K segments and do all kinds of wierd stuff to access memory above 640K back in the DOS days. Now that everything is 32-bit or better all of that knowledge is useless.

And this is exactly my point about wanting to know where stuff is installed. Why does that matter to you? The package manager puts the files where they need to be and deletes those files if you request that the package is removed. So here is where apache is installed. Exactly how does this knowledge help you?

Yes the RTFM line can be annoying but apache is server software. Server stuff is designed to be admin-friendly but not intuitive. That way someone who knows what they're doing can get apache, php, mysql, etc set up in a couple of minute. A beginner should read at least the page and a half on Basic settings to know a little bit about how to set up the software. So apache takes an experienced admin a couple of minutes to set up, but a beginner about 10 minutes. IIS takes 5-10 minutes for everyone to go through the hand holding install.

Not sure how you're having problems with mp3s over samba. Just click Places->Network Servers find the server the file is on and click on it. The song will play. When windows XP came out Network Neighborhood wasn't on the desktop anymore. Surely it didn't take hours of looking through 200 page pdf files to figure out how to play an MP3 over SMB in windows XP?

Here's a repost of my 2 or 3 whinges about a serious issue with Ubuntu that no-one on /. seems to care about.
Seriously out of all the millions of /. readers I can't believe not even a single person has posted regarding the whole Core 2 Duo/JMicron thing (and yes I did a discussion search).
For more information:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/68612
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux -source-2.6.17/+bug/57502
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28568 3&page=2

Linux distribution which isn't just supported by the OS vendor but which is also supported and recommended by the manufacturer of your expensive mission critical software.

Linux distribution which isn't just supported by the OS vendor but which is also supported and recommended by the manufacturer of your expensive mission critical software.

"In the enterprise server business? That doesn't seem all that likely..."

Here you go.... it's already happening.

http://www.ubuntu.com/sun

http://www.ubuntu.com/server

"In the enterprise server business? That doesn't seem all that likely..."

Here you go.... it's already happening.

http://www.ubuntu.com/sun

http://www.ubuntu.com/server

http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/utils/bcm43xx-fw cutter Here is Ubuntu's package site for the package, you can download a .deb file which can install the package for you without an internet connection. Please note that apt-get will be unable to manage this package, because you didn't install it using apt-get, meaning you won't get updates automatically.

Install ntfs-3g. Should solve your problem

Seriously out of all the millions of /. readers I can't believe not even a single person has posted regarding the whole Core 2 Duo/JMicron thing (and yes I did a discussion search).
For more information:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/68612
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux -source-2.6.17/+bug/57502
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28568 3&page=2

I reported similar ages ago, and the maintainer gave it a little bit of effort and then gave up. Way to go Ubuntu... http://bugs.ubuntu.com/57607

No, this is an offical, stable, release. Nobody knows what the hell you're talking about. If it were marked unstable, then sure--problems would be inevitable. But it's an official, stable release. Anybody who bothered to click on the articles would have ascertained that. Get your facts straight before you post, please.

Once again I renew my call for the editors to get with the program and use an Ubuntu icon rather than a Debian icon when posting stories about Ubuntu. Yes, Ubuntu is derived from Debian, but it is arguably the most popular GNU/Linux distro on the desktop. I would think this warrants its own icon.

I used the apt-get method to upgrade from 6.06 following instructions available here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades exactly - no problem. And *everything* still works. Dell Latitude D400 40GB 512MB.

Ok People, you waited this long for Edgy Eft.. You surely can wait a few weeks longer till they get these upgrade issues sorted out. In the meantime, feel free to use the Edgy LiveCD.

Personally, I wouldn't risk upgrading my Dapper installation just yet. Rather, I would either install from scratch, or wait for these issues to be worked out

They can also use this link to get their fix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersio n

Backports and/or seveas repositories will give you all the new hotness for Dapper.

I got flash9 through seveas a few days after it was released. Firefox2 doesn't seem to be there yet, but I can wait another day or two.

My sources.list, for anyone who wants it:

deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse

# Seveas' packages (packages, GPG key: 1135D466)
deb http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ dapper-seveas all

# Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main

# Quinnstorm beryl
deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ dapper main aiglx

Backports and/or seveas repositories will give you all the new hotness for Dapper.

I got flash9 through seveas a few days after it was released. Firefox2 doesn't seem to be there yet, but I can wait another day or two.

My sources.list, for anyone who wants it:

deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse

# Seveas' packages (packages, GPG key: 1135D466)
deb http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ dapper-seveas all

# Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main

# Quinnstorm beryl
deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ dapper main aiglx

Backports and/or seveas repositories will give you all the new hotness for Dapper.

I got flash9 through seveas a few days after it was released. Firefox2 doesn't seem to be there yet, but I can wait another day or two.

My sources.list, for anyone who wants it:

deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse

# Seveas' packages (packages, GPG key: 1135D466)
deb http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ dapper-seveas all

# Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main

# Quinnstorm beryl
deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ dapper main aiglx

I guess the submitter (I hope it wasn't the editor's) didn't realize that a heck of a lot of physicists and astronomers and other hard core scientists have been to space way before Charles Simonyi. If his point was that he was the first somewhat famous computer geek to make it into space, he would be wrong again. Simonyi was beaten to the punch years ago by Mark Shuttleworth of Thawte and Ubunutu Linux fame.

Anyone know if C2D/JMicron support has been fixed in the final release?
If not, that's VERY poor since I believe the issues have since been fixed in the latest kernel.
A note to all Core 2 Duo owners or potential buyers, if your motherboard has a JMicron IDE controller, you're screwed (again, unless they've fixed it).

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support

http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/release/dv d/

You are right, still Ubuntu is based on Debian GNU/Linux.

They include packages 'apache' for v1.3.34 and 'apache2' for v2.0.55. Only apache2 is officially supported -- package 'apache' is in the universe repository.

References:

distrowatch page

Ubuntu edgy package search - apache

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule

Here is the link to the Kubuntu DVD's: (torrents)
Link.

I didn't see actual torrent download links in any of the posts, so here's the link for the desktop i386 iso from torrent.ubuntu.com:

http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%FE3 %D1%9A%06%E9w%DCn%DD%8E%3D%8D%07%A0%7D%06KuT

If you want to download a version for a different architecture, or the alternate text-based installer iso, they are all listed here:

http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/

I didn't see actual torrent download links in any of the posts, so here's the link for the desktop i386 iso from torrent.ubuntu.com:

http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%FE3 %D1%9A%06%E9w%DCn%DD%8E%3D%8D%07%A0%7D%06KuT

If you want to download a version for a different architecture, or the alternate text-based installer iso, they are all listed here:

http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/

Use the torrents

The /. art department isn't what you'd call speedy.

The /. art department isn't what you'd call speedy.

It was also announced (a couple days ago) that the code name for the next Ubuntu will be "Feisty Fawn"

This page on the Ubuntu Wiki has a good overview of the upstart, including why it existing systems didn't meet their needs.

If you want to upgrade from 6.06 LTS to 6.10, run the following command (either via ALT-F2 or a terminal):

gksu "update-manager -c"

The -c switch tells it to look for upgrades at all. By default the 6.06 LTS release will not offer that automatically because of its long support cycle and high stability.

If you have a working network connection, it should then inform you about a new release and offer to upgrade your system.

This wiki should answer that question for you. I've been using Edgy for a few weeks and I can certainly say that startup feels a lot faster. Whether it actually is faster is I'm not sure, I've never timed it, but perception is just as important as hard figures.

It doesn't take much to find out via the ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit has lots of information on the whole implementation.

With regards to launchd, that page says;

The four candidates were Solaris SMF, Apple's launchd, the LSB initserv/chkconfig tools and initNG.

The first two of these suffer from inescapable licence problems, which is relatively unfortunate as both have features that are somewhat appealing though neither quite fix our problems. Having whichever system we use being adopted as a Linux-wide standard would not be possible if we chose either of these two systems.

and also from discussion further down the page;

NabLa: [WWW] Apple's launchd has been [WWW] released recently under the Apache license. Would that resolve those "inescapable licence problems"? Looks like a very interesting possibility now.

• ScottJamesRemnant: it still doesn't meet our requirements, so would be only a base for our own work. We've already implemented enough that it'd be a backwards step to start again based on launchd. Also the new launchd licence may not be GPL compatible, so it would still not be ideal

• jec : I think that the licence (apache 2.0) is GPL compatible. But if work is already advanced on your own solution, then great! Just hope that Redhat/SuSE/Debian will adopt it...

• ThomMay: it's not - [WWW] the FSF mark it as incompatible.

The ReplacementInit description doesn't appear to mention speed as a primary design goal - they say it's to be "better able to guarantee a robust boot process and deal with the events from the modern kernel and removable hardware". Any performance improvements seem to be because "services and hardware handlers [are] started only when needed". Dependencies are mentioned on that page, though I know nothing of the details or of whether that documentation is still accurate.

Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning.

The release schedule has been known for a very long time...

Check your facts

SUSE does, Ubuntu does not. SUSE only requires a couple clicks and entering the network ID/password, while even the instructions for getting WPA running on Ubuntu are daunting. How does Fedora compare?

I had a D-Link wifi card. In order to isntall the driver I had to get the driver source.

Eventually the public will get tired of sending money to people who don't deserve it.

Especially when something else comes along that will fulfill that need without all the extra cost.

Example: You buy Windows XP, then have to purchase Microsoft Office to get some use out of the OS.

On the other hand, if the public gets tired of sending money, etc., they can get off their behinds and "learn a new OS."

Here's one that might work.

Want something more modern than that awful X-Windows, that wasn't even that great when it was founded 30 years ago?

Those of us who like using our computers instead of tinkering with them, and who have some disposable income, love Apple.

Let me say that if I could go into a store right now and buy a reasonably priced copy of OX X that would run on a plain PC, I would be running OS X at the moment (Yes, I understand that running on *any* hardware would make OS X less stable, but I would be willing to take the risk...and huge amounts of people would rather pay more for Apple's hardware and stability, and I wish Apple could see that and make us both happy).

But since that isn't going to happen, I'm really considering going to Ubuntu because I think MS is just going insane with Vista.

Actually, you can get OS X to run natively on a PC. You just need to ask yourself if its worth the trouble. I'd think you're better off just getting a Mac mini.

As the above mention, he doesn't think Ubuntu is too far behind OS X. I would be interested in hearing others thoughts on this?

There's no doubt that Mac is more polished and more user-friendly. But Ubuntu is a complete, polished, intuitive, full-featured environment. Provided you're not using non-standard hardware, pretty much everything works straight out of the box with very little tweaking.

In fact, Ubuntu on my laptop handles the various power-saving modes (sleep, hibernation) flawlessly and with no special configuration, whereas Windows XP would sometimes sleep, sometimes not, and refuse to come out of hibernation if and when it hibernated (which often had little bearing on how, or even if, it was configured to hibernate).

Much in contrast to a Windows install, the Ubuntu install is fast, easy, intuitive, contains all the software you'll need, doesn't require multiple reboots and separate installation (with more reboots) for installing software and device drivers, and doesn't require yet further instalalation and reboots for OS and software updates.

Last time I had to reinstall Windows after a drive failure it took over three hours and no fewer than 10 reboots to get the system installed (reboot), upgraded (reboot), upgraded to SP2 (reboot), updated again (reboot), install/update drivers (reboot), install Office XP (reboot), update to Office 2003 (reboot), security and other Office updates (reboot), more Windows updates since I now had Office installed (reboot), etc. Installing other necessary software required more reboots.

My last Ubuntu install (incidentally, my first) took all of 45 minutes start-to finish with OS and all software installed and upgraded. Much simpler than any other Linux I've installed (FC3, FC4, RHEL, Mandriva, SuSE) and in a completely different league than Microsoft.

But don't take my word. Try it out for yourself. Installation is even easier with Automatix for adding bits that aren't in the core Ubuntu distribution like all the multimedia codecs and various packages that don't meet Ubuntu's strict libre-only policy.

There's tons of comments like yours all over slashdot(at least the first part) and it's all so called windows power users having to learn that the software installation works differently from windows. The packages are in other places, there are other tools, other habits, etc. This simply has no place in a "Linux is/isn't ready for the desktop" type of discussion, because it centers around the basic fact that it will act and look different than windows.

BTW, an installer for the flash plugin is available from multiverse: flash plugin package page.

Microsoft is now creating open standards, open formats, even open source applications

not one hundred percent of the time, but hey, they're doing it! They're starting to look more and more like us.

Where's our readily accessible documentation localised in dozens of languages?

Where's our toll-free licensing hotline?

Where's our reliable and knowledgeable tech support team?

Our software assurance subscription that actually sends a disc in the mail when there's an update?

Honestly, people. Why is Microsoft getting so much better, while *we're* really starting to SUCK?

You know what really bugs me? That last one. I used to pay $4.95 a month for a quarterly package of three major Linux distributions. I liked that.

So how come now I only get that from Microsoft?

Microsoft is now creating open standards, open formats, even open source applications

not one hundred percent of the time, but hey, they're doing it! They're starting to look more and more like us.

Where's our readily accessible documentation localised in dozens of languages?

Where's our toll-free licensing hotline?

Where's our reliable and knowledgeable tech support team?

Our software assurance subscription that actually sends a disc in the mail when there's an update?

Honestly, people. Why is Microsoft getting so much better, while *we're* really starting to SUCK?

You know what really bugs me? That last one. I used to pay $4.95 a month for a quarterly package of three major Linux distributions. I liked that.

So how come now I only get that from Microsoft?

Microsoft is now creating open standards, open formats, even open source applications

not one hundred percent of the time, but hey, they're doing it! They're starting to look more and more like us.

Where's our readily accessible documentation localised in dozens of languages?

Where's our toll-free licensing hotline?

Where's our reliable and knowledgeable tech support team?

Our software assurance subscription that actually sends a disc in the mail when there's an update?

Honestly, people. Why is Microsoft getting so much better, while *we're* really starting to SUCK?

You know what really bugs me? That last one. I used to pay $4.95 a month for a quarterly package of three major Linux distributions. I liked that.

So how come now I only get that from Microsoft?

Microsoft is now creating open standards, open formats, even open source applications

not one hundred percent of the time, but hey, they're doing it! They're starting to look more and more like us.

Where's our readily accessible documentation localised in dozens of languages?

Where's our toll-free licensing hotline?

Where's our reliable and knowledgeable tech support team?

Our software assurance subscription that actually sends a disc in the mail when there's an update?

Honestly, people. Why is Microsoft getting so much better, while *we're* really starting to SUCK?

You know what really bugs me? That last one. I used to pay $4.95 a month for a quarterly package of three major Linux distributions. I liked that.

So how come now I only get that from Microsoft?