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Followed by many others, such as Minix (who can ignore with a straight face that Minix ran on the PC before Linux did?), Coherent ("first casualty"), misc BSD variants, and many many others. Linux was not the first Unix to run on the PC, it was (... and is...) merely the best ;-)

That's why the grand-parent ironized about the "well informed opinion" of that Sun CIO... I'm just wondering, wasn't even SunOs (predecessor of Solaris) itself among the many Unix variants that ran on the PC before Linux existed?

Here is a mirror of the english trailer:

http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/lnluksm.avi

According to the FTP sites for new installer for i386 (ISOs here and Torrents here), it looks like we can expect around 15 CDs worth of "sarge" goodness . . .

According to the FTP sites for new installer for i386 (ISOs here and Torrents here), it looks like we can expect around 15 CDs worth of "sarge" goodness . . .

• CKRename - Tool to mass rename files in a folder. Works very well for renaming MP3s.
• WinMerge (Use latest RC under beta builds) - Compare document, script, HTML, etc content versions (compares what has changed from revision to revision).
• XXCopy - Extended version of XCopy. This is a great utility for scripting file backups from one drive to another.
• ISOBuster - Open CD/DVD ISOs, BINs, IMGs, etc without having to burn them. Can extract files without burning as well.
• Vim - Improved version of the vi editor.
• IrfanView - Batch Image Processing and viewer (much like ACDSee, but FREE!).
• Diskeeper Lite - An updated version of the disk defragmenter that comes with Windows 2000 and Windows XP. This version does a better job of defragging the drive and shows you more information. The site isn't the manufacturer's, but the download does come directly from them. ExecSoft doesn't have this listed on their site anywhere anymore.
• Locate - Windows version of a linux utility. Creates a database of every file on your drives. You can then search and get instant results.
• xvi32 Hex Editor - Very nice hex editor.
• 7-Zip - A freeware file archiver. It supports all of the popular formats (ZIP, CAP, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM and DEB) as well as its own format, 7z.
• Max Lister - Create text lists of files in folders. For example, it's useful for an mp3 list.

Installation / Automation

• InnoSetup - Create your own EXE installers.
• ISTool - A GUI front-end for creating InnoSetup installer scripts.
• WinINSTALL LE 2003 - Create your own MSI installers. Also edit existing MSI installers (change options, add/remove components, etc).
• KiXtart - Advanced batch processing language. Commonly used for logon scripts but can be used to accomplish many tasks (comparable to using VBScript and WELL documented).
• AutoIt - Create scripts to send keys to applictions. Commonly used to "silently" install applictions that don't natively support silent install switches.

Multimedia Tools

Linus is doing the same thing Prof.Andrew Tanenbaum did years ago when he said "Linux is Obsolete".

Source Mage GNU/Linux uses a boot system that allows parallel execution of init scripts, while preserving dependencies. The change is modest on my old laptop though. sequential parallel

Source Mage GNU/Linux uses a boot system that allows parallel execution of init scripts, while preserving dependencies. The change is modest on my old laptop though. sequential parallel

This has happened before, hasn't it? The creator of Minix shot his mouth off then, just like the Sun COO is shooting his off now. There isn't any grounds for this. Linux has a strong base because it -is- a "Hacker's Project". It means you can probably get something 'fixed' faster in the kernel than the development cycles of other projects. So, whereever Linux might be deficient now, it gets to the point where it'll be better. A year ago, 2.4.x was stable and there were massive problems. A year later, we have a stable 2.6.x tree with a supreme amount of functionality and performance, and patches which can leverage even more of that performance if we feel we should be on the bleeding edge. That's one of the big reasons which keeps me away from FreeBSD on my Desktop, let alone Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if Linus has a similar response to this as he did to the "Linux is Obsolete" dig. Though who would blame him?

This has happened before, hasn't it? The creator of Minix shot his mouth off then, just like the Sun COO is shooting his off now. There isn't any grounds for this. Linux has a strong base because it -is- a "Hacker's Project". It means you can probably get something 'fixed' faster in the kernel than the development cycles of other projects. So, whereever Linux might be deficient now, it gets to the point where it'll be better. A year ago, 2.4.x was stable and there were massive problems. A year later, we have a stable 2.6.x tree with a supreme amount of functionality and performance, and patches which can leverage even more of that performance if we feel we should be on the bleeding edge. That's one of the big reasons which keeps me away from FreeBSD on my Desktop, let alone Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if Linus has a similar response to this as he did to the "Linux is Obsolete" dig. Though who would blame him?

Technically, in a really literal minded sense, that's correct. Technically, any Win32 component or control can be replaced. In practice, the way that Microsoft has built the system too much depends on the HTML control and Windows Explorer.

For the latter, instead of mounting devices like my Jornada in the file system, they're shown on the desktop but are only there via a plugin for Windows Explorer, so without it I can't browse my Pocket PC.

I can't have a great deal of faith in that design. There's just too much shared state between components of Windows, and too little control over the implementation of security boundaries: every component seems to have its own call gates, with multiple independent implementations of the same security and sanity checks on arguments and objects.

Re: LINUX is obsolete * Subject: Re: LINUX is obsolete * From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) * Date: 29 Jan 92 23:14:26 GMT * Newsgroups: comp.os.minix * Organization: University of Helsinki Well, with a subject like this, I'm afraid I'll have to reply. Apologies to minix-users who have heard enough about linux anyway. I'd like to be able to just "ignore the bait", but ... Time for some serious flamefesting! In article ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) writes: > >I was in the U.S. for a couple of weeks, so I haven't commented much on >LINUX (not that I would have said much had I been around), but for what >it is worth, I have a couple of comments now. > >As most of you know, for me MINIX is a hobby, something that I do in the >evening when I get bored writing books and there are no major wars, >revolutions, or senate hearings being televised live on CNN. My real >job is a professor and researcher in the area of operating systems. You use this as an excuse for the limitations of minix? Sorry, but you loose: I've got more excuses than you have, and linux still beats the pants of minix in almost all areas. Not to mention the fact that most of the good code for PC minix seems to have been written by Bruce Evans.

(and yes, its can be spelt with floating commas too)

Interesting that Andy now refers to MINIX in terms of Linux, no? Considering that Linux is obsolete and all that ... ;-)

Don't be ashamed! Numerous adventurers suffer from the same problem and have found a solution. Talk to your healer to see if our solution is right for you!

Don't make me hurt you!

I think not!

Contrary to your claim, I find Gnome much better with regards to usability.

KDE is 'better', technologically, but each time I've tried to switch I've been put off by the clutter and garish icons and themes. Some Gnome's buttons might be switched around (not that I've ever noticed), but as long as it's consistent, it doesn't really matter.

I reckon Gnome has won the corporate heart through it's simplicity. If you compare a screenshot of KDE against one of Gnome, it's obvious that Gnome is less in-your-face than KDE. Gnome sort of blends into the background. Sort of like the difference between a Ferrari and an Aston Matrin.

Another page with some more Swedish candidates.

Bo Branten knows his Windows IFS interface. About halfway down his projects page are a couple of links to ext2-ifs projects. Don't know if any are stable enough to use for everyday work, but it's worth a shot!

Bo Branten's Projects Page

Windows already has a local filesystem abstraction layer. File systems have drivers, like any device. NTFS (or any other fs) is not integrated in the kernel.
cdfs.sys for CDFS
fastfat.sys for FAT12/16/32
mrxdav.sys for WebDav (access files over http using normal file ops)
mrxsmb.sys for SMB
msfs.sys for mailslots (the mailslot filesystem)
mup.sys- the multiple UNC provider driver; to handle \\computername\share\path
npfs.sys for named pipes (the named pipe filesystem)
ntfs.sys for NTFS
udfs.sys for UDFS
Windows certainly supports third-party file system drivers. The problem is that the Microsoft IFS (installable filesystem) kit costs $899. There is a free/open alternative here.
However, in practice, there are no alternatives to MS filesystems. Your suggestion of a SMB server over a fast connection is a good one.

The DDK is for hardware drivers and a few other things, but not for filesystem drivers. For that you need the IFS kit, $899 + s/h. Last I heard it consists of a header file(ntifs.h) and an example driver.

You can get a GPLed reimplementation of ntifs.h here, it apparently works but i've never tried it myself. There's several example drivers there, and links to some attempts at Ext2 filesystem drivers for NT.

The current server seems a bit slow to respond, so..

/Mattias Wadenstein

The whole thread was linked from Groklaw yesterday at this URL.

The complete archive for this thread was linked from Groklaw yesterday, you can find it here. You're right, it's well worth reading. The part I found funniest was his comment about "when you can run Hurd in the 21st Century" -- that was 1992 and here it is 2004...

Linus has said repeatedly in recent years words to the effect of "People think I'm a nice guy, but I'm really a bastard." It's interesting to see elements of that in what he calls (in the thread) "hopefully my last flamefest"; he was big enough to apologize for the tone of his first reply.

I was browsing through the User Screenshots and noticed an interesting looking GKrellM-like application on the right side of this screenshot. Can anyone tell me what app that is?

See Gimp 2.0 in real time in these videos. Originals by jimmac.

...could view this as a form of autopoesis

...could view this as a form of autopoesis

Sorry, couldn't format it because of Slashdot's fucking filters.
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"Blinkenlights Reloaded uses the technology we have developed for Arcade in Paris last year. That means greyscales. Version 3 of BlinkenPaint supports this as well as our new movie file format BML."

IFS (Installable File System) Kit costs about $900; see also http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/ifskit

There is a GPL'd clone of the header file you need to develop IFS drivers for windows, available here.

I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-)

-- Andy Tanenbaum (to Linus Torvalds in the LINUX is obsolete thread)

There's a swedish mirror site up now aswell, pretty fast.

http://farbror.acc.umu.se/pub/test/maswan/rotk_tra iler_480x280_fixed.mov

I should hope SCO did give this to a Judge.

Any Judge who knows of the court battle between BSD and Unix System Laboratories (, "Soon after the filing in state court, USL was bought from AT&T by Novell. The CEO of Novell, Ray Noorda, stated publicly that he would rather compete in the marketplace than in court. By the summer of 1993, settlement talks had started. Unfortunately, the two sides had dug in so deep that the talks proceed slowly. With some further prodding by Ray Noorda on the USL side, many of the sticking points were removed and a settlement was finally reached in January 1994. The result was that three files were removed from the 18,000 that made up Networking Release 2, and a number of minor changes were made to other files. In addition, the University agreed to add USL copyrights to about 70 files, although those files continued to be freely redistributed.", Open Sources,) will know that this chart is bullshit.!

If you follow the Linux timeline backwards, you will see that there are no SCO UNIX contributions to Linux. Of course you need to know that Linux is not based on Minux, as this post will prove: Linux is Obsolete. Anything before that is inmaterial.

Good job SCO team. It must have taken you hours to put little dots and zig-zagging lines that prove absoultly nothing. Well, I am sure your boss liked it.

"Oooh! Pretty!"

Picture of ATM in Sweden: http://www.cs.umu.se/~c97pir/resources/images/minu t.jpg One interesting thing is how/why it was successfuly uptated (if the bank wanted to do it I don't think the dialog would be there). -E

You pointed out Explore2FS, but you forgot to mention its sister program, ext2ifs.

The differences between these programs is that while Explore2FS is standalone, it supports read/write access from all Win32 versions and is generally more reliable (IMO).
ext2ifs is read only (for now), but it is an IFS, and as such it properly interfaces with Windows (NT/2K/XP/2K3/LH) and is treated the same as any hard drive. I use this system on my desktop, and my 4 EXT3 partitions from my Mandrake 9 install are readable as drive letters by WinXP.

The ext2ifs application uses ntifs.h, which is available along with links to many NT (and one 9x) IFS projects here

ntifs.h is GPLed for all you hackers with enough time on your hands to write more FS drivers.

I run both ATA and SCSI drives. My take is that if you're using small numbers of drives or just doing straight, simple high bandwidth sequential seeks, ATA is fine. SCSI will show when you have differing loads that are more real. Personally, I'm much happier with SCSI for just about anything. The fact is that ATA propenents can only compare against current SCSI technology by trying to be "good enough" for the job. They're not. It's all an issue of price vs. performance - but take out the issue of price, and SCSI wins.

Actually, it damn near happened, as it was brought up for debate and passed in the house. The only thing that killed it was the lucky presence of a (real) mathematician who was there for other reasons, who had the time to "educate" the senators.

Some things never change.

Also, the math the sponsor introduces is convoluted and wrong, and he came up with 3.2.

Links: Here and Here

If teleporting a human requires making a copy and destroying the original, then the obvious question is: is the copy still me? This raises the interesting question of what exactly constitutes personal identity. Here is a very entertaining and amusing read on the topic by Daniel Dennet, a first-rate philosopher and all-around funny guy.

For those not familiar, or trying to respond to others in this forum and don't know what to say: =)

IDE vs. SCSI article at PcMech.

SCSI & IDE Overview Good, informative, classroom materials for a university.

IDE to SCSI Adaptor Review of the ACard ARS-2000FW

ACARD Tech. - Makes SCSI to IDE converters.

Whoever modded the parent post "insightful" hasn't got a clue.

Around the same time, Linux surfaced. Based on the Minix kernel written by computer science professor Andrew Tannenbaum, and unencumbered by the spectre of a lawsuit, Linux began to gain momentum and became the best known freely redistributable UNIX-like operating system.

The kernel architecture of Minux and Linux are totally different.Minux like NT is based on a microkernel. Linux definetly isn't. Tanenbaum himself stated this during his famous Linux is obsolete rant.

Exactly 29 years ago 09/11/1973 the democratic elected president of Chile was murdered with official help from the US. Thousends of his followers were killed or simply disappeared during the years that followed. here

Exactly 9996 days ago the US left Saigon the death count varies but all sources give 1.000.000+ people death. How long do you think The Vietnam Victim's Memorial Wall should be?

The people of Palestine are living in bondage and indignity since 53 years. Their oppressors are financially and militarily backed by the US. Many thousands of Palestinians had suffered extinction. here

I could add to this list on and on but I'm simply tired to do it. A message to learn:

Look around and see the bloodshed others have suffered by US actions. If you bring mourning to others, one day the mourning will come back to haunt you. It took quite long but now it finally has arrived. The cathedral of the church of globalisation has come down.

Amen

As usual, I'll post the URL to the page where my parent's 100 Mbps FTTH project is described.

It has been slashdotted before (it could stand the load, thanks to http://www.acc.umu.se) and have had over 70 000 visitors (not all unique).

Anyway, the page is at http://www.acc.umu.se/~tfytbk/mattgrand and on the page in my signature.

As usual, I'll post the URL to the page where my parent's 100 Mbps FTTH project is described.

It has been slashdotted before (it could stand the load, thanks to http://www.acc.umu.se) and have had over 70 000 visitors (not all unique).

Anyway, the page is at http://www.acc.umu.se/~tfytbk/mattgrand and on the page in my signature.

Requires GMP, build it with something along the lines of

gcc -o lychrel -O2 -lgmp lychrel.c

and run with a number as argument to try it for the lychrel property. Makefiles are for wimps ;)

I quote from: http://www.acc.umu.se/~sagge/scsi_ide/#comparison SCSI vs ATA Multi device This scenario is common in high-end desktop computers and servers where you connect multiple devices to one or more interface adapters. This is where SCSI has major advantages compared to ATA: Connectivity: The ATA interface can only address two devices while SCSI can address eight devices (Narrow SCSI), 16 devices (Wide SCSI), 32 (Very Wide SCSI) or 126 (FireWire). There are also many peripherals available to SCSI only and not ATA. Bandwidth: The demand for high transfer rates in servers can not be met using current ATA interfaces based on the two devices per adapter limit and even if it could carry more devices there simply isn't enough bandwidth and flexibility available for serious server application. Efficiency: The ATA devices lacks the intelligence to perform command queuing like their SCSI counterparts which can queue up to 256 commands per logical unit. Many SCSI hard disk drives aimed at the server market use extra logic to reschedule commands to minimize seek times and maximize throughput. This may not be evident by looking at desktop benchmarks but under heavy server loads, command queuing gives performance benefits. Dependability: Most high-end SCSI hard drives are quite expensive but there are good reasons for it. They can sustain higher temperatures and stay mechanically functional despite the expansion of the metal parts and and generelly have better build quality. The net result is that they are the natural choice for server applications.

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