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Space stations could be the ultimate "gated community". Read more of the argument here.

Now, when you combine this with the fact that Job growth isn't keeping up with immigration you have a serious problem in the US--a problem that appears likey to get worse over time

I think we will see some fundamental, systemic changes to the US economy-changes similar to what the US did under the "New Deal" simply because the problem is getting bad enough that extreme social instability is likely if the problem isn't addressed meaningfully.

Now, when you combine this with the fact that Job growth isn't keeping up with immigration you have a serious problem in the US--a problem that appears likey to get worse over time

I think we will see some fundamental, systemic changes to the US economy-changes similar to what the US did under the "New Deal" simply because the problem is getting bad enough that extreme social instability is likely if the problem isn't addressed meaningfully.

The problem is that while there are 1.5 million new jobs, this hasn't kept up with the rate of immigration. Basically the US has 1.5 million new jobs and over 4 million new immigrants since Bush has come into office. Since most immigrants need to work, that means that we have a lot of US citizens either unemployed, on public assistance or downscaled in various ways.

This all strikes me as a big scam.

Well, the masses tend to care. I would also suggest that folks in the rapidly de-industrializing USA can't expect better treatment from China than it gives to their own people.

Ways that America loves illegals more than citizens.

I do not have anything, however, to buttress your last statement.

We were talking about replacement because of population decline. I brought up Japan because it was an example of a population that will not be replaced despite declining birth rate. And I also pointed out the reason that it will not be replaced: no immigration. I fail to see why I need to explain this in detail to you, it's obvious from reading the post.

You claim that we "were not talking about 'cultural pressure'. We were talking about birth rate."

Yet in the quote that started this discussion:

"In a hundred years, our current free society will have been completely replaced in a way far more thorough than the Roman Empire was replaced. The current freedom is already dead on its feet.

Why? Give me facts, not hyperbole. "

Sounds to me like we are talking about cultural replacement. So I brought up Japan to buttress my other points.

Now you accuse me of being negative towards Hispanic culture. I do not look negatively on Hispanic culture, as I've said before. Why do you think I do? I simply do not wish it to replace my own culture. I would imagine that Hispanics feel the same way, in fact I know they do. They go to great lengths to preserve their culture from the current majority culture here. Moreover, please note that Christian morality is part of culture, not the entire culture, as I hardly thought that I needed to point out.

As for the melting pot, it no longer exists. The expression "melting pot" was originated to describe the assimilation of (white European) immigrants into American culture. What we've got now is a salad bowl where no assimilation takes place.

You say American culture doesn't exist. But it has existed for centuries. We've been a white European nation with a white European culture speaking English.

You bring up the idea that we are a "proposition nation," to use the frequent term. But we're not a nation based on ideology - that's what the Soviet Union was. I'll point you to a good article by Zmirak on the subject. I'd also recommend Peter Brimelow's article, Time to Rethink Immigration. Look under the subheading: What is a Nation?

And finally, I see where you misunderstood me on the "birth rate ratio" comment. I was comparing the 1890-1920 immigration wave to the current post-1965 one. I worded it badly however, so let me put it this way: Without further immigration our population should be around 300 million by 2050. With immigration it will be about 500 million. Those numbers are far worse if you look at the post-1965 wave in its entirety. In the 1890-1920 wave, almost 40% of the immigrants went home eventually (compared to 10% today). Moreover, the population size due to 1890-1920 immigration was small compared to the population size due to natural growth. Now that our population is not growing fast at all, except for recent immigrants, new immigrants, and children of immigrants, the ratio of immigrants and recent immigrants to the rest of society is large and growing. Hence the replacement issue.

In other words, you are giving them money, and they are promising nothing. This creates a great opportunity to screw the consumer. Corporations enjoy screwing the consumer, because the vast field of gullible and stupid people out there far outnumbers and outdrowns the smaller amount of people smart enough to realize that they are being screwed.

The great mass of people on the other side of the bell curve are the main reason society is like it is. If most people were like you and me, television wouldn't exist because television advertising depends on people about 1 standard deviation of IQ too low to post on Slashdot. Just think about how that would affect political elections. This is also one of the reasons that immigration policy is so well crafted to bring in the world's poorest and stupidest. The elites depend on them. The population that Mexico is sending over the border is for the most part their most criminal and least educated. We could import a million PhDs a year, but instead do things like this.

I hear you. The open borders crowd owns Congress, however. The American people don't want the vast influx of immigrants who provide what is basically a slave labor force. They don't want to see jobs outsourced to India simply because Indians are so poor that they'll work for nearly nothing. Corporations do want this however, and they own Congress. Republicans are so used to fending off Democratic attacks on American business, that they don't realize that it's slightly different with a multi-national business. A rising tide lifts all boats, sure, but third world countries have a long way to be lifted. And Democrats are so into the hogwash of diversity and multi-culturalism, that they embrace an influx of third-worlders right across the boarder without a second thought. And that's despite the fact that it's primarily poor Americans whom it hurts -- Blacks have lost out to Hispanic labor in an especially big way.

I'll recommend two websites:

VDARE -- An immigration reform site
The American Conservative -- Pat Buchanan's new magazine It's got some good pieces even if you don't agree with the politics. And it's saying some things no one else is.

Yeah, except that I never stated that caucasians did not come from the places you've listed.

If anything, existing variation in skin color meant that light-skinned people could do better in the north, and climate difference acted as a gradient filter as much as a force for evolutionary adaptation.

...and what are you taking exception with from the earlier post?

BTW, below is a link to a critique of the PBS special "Race" many seem to have received information on the subject from (opposing veiwpoints did not seem to be allowed on the program).

Race: The Power Of A Lie

There's a reasonable chance that either I wrote it, or I know one of the primary authors.

Are you, perhaps, a friend of Steve Sailer?

Giving Fortune 1000 companies all the cheap, slavish, technologists from Asia their inner-Raj could desire is like giving high school kids methamphetamine at a pep rally.

From CBS' 60 Minutes Fires First Shot In New H-1B Battle

By [16]Joe Guzzardi

Break the bad news to your children gently.

Tell them the way 60 Minutes sees things:

Abandon all hope of working in Silicon Valley. Those jobs are reserved for the best and the brightest; the graduates of the Indian Institute of Technology.

That's the gospel according to Lesley Stahl's [17]January 12^th piece "Imported from India". According to Stahl, I.I.T. is the most demanding university on the planet and its graduates the most talented, hardest working people on the face of the earth.

"What do we import from India?" asks Stahl. "Really smart people!" "Imagine," gushed Stahl, "Harvard, Princeton and M.I.T. all rolled into one."

"American companies," Stahl continued, "love I.I.T. graduates."

No one from Harvard, Princeton or M.I.T. was interviewed. But "60 Minutes" assured viewers that the curriculum from I.I.T. is the most rigorous in the world.

Vinod Khosla, co-founder of Sun Microsystems and I.I.T. graduate made this observation: "If you are a WASP walking in for a job, you wouldn't have as much pre-assigned credibility as you do if you're an engineer from I.I.T."

And, stop the presses! We are blessed that so many of those doors are right here in the U.S! More than two-thirds of I.I.T. graduates migrate to America - most of them on H-1B visas.

The 60 Minutes segment represents the first cannon shot in what looms as bitter battle over H-1B visa legislation set for October.

Consider this salvo from Khosla: "...the American consumer and the American business in the end is the beneficiary...".

The industry is lobbying for an increase in the 195,000 level established in 2000; weary, displaced American software workers who want their jobs back want to total to revert to its original 65,000---or less.

Seasoned immigration observers recall that originally H-1B visas were intended to "temporarily" satisfy a supposed "shortage" of qualified American software engineers.

But, as always, temporary became permanent. Soon after the original H-1B legislation was enacted, fully qualified American workers found themselves on the outside looking in.

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If Congress doesn't declare war, we are not in a war. (Article I, section 8, clause 11, the U.S. Constitution)

Here's a link for Padilla. Padilla is an enemy combatant and loses certain rights. Here's an explanation of how it applies to Padilla.

Yaser Esam Hamdi's citizenship is in limbo. His argument is based off the fact that he was born on US soil. His citizenship status is pretty much undecided until the 14th Amendment is clarified.

-Lucas