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My mistake then, I don't recall that threat.

Yea, that was a major wake up call for the entire world. But especially US.

No, maybe it's because of an injury which damaged my memory I didn't recall it.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Thanks for the links. The second one, on the history of bio-chemical weapons, I saved to disk.

Yea, I just found that today when looking for Saddam's quote on the burning Israel. I found it really interesting to see how many other countries where involved in much the same stuff that we get accused of.

What bothers me is that even after it was found that Saddam was using biological or chemical, I don't recall which right now, the Reagan then the Bush Sr admins still supported Saddam. Once it was suspected he should have been warned to stop, then when verified support should have ended.

Well, You have a right to be bothered by it. But what I am attempting to do is say hey, things weren't the same as they are today. We didn't have the benefit of knowing what would happen 3 or 5 years in the future back when this was going down. It is possible that a defeat of Iran was actually worth over looking some things. I mean we where harboring the Shah and wanting to help him get back into power. Iran did take hostages and the religions leaders inflames the population by tricking them over some photos of dead Kurds claiming a Zionist army kill 1500 Iranians. We had a lot to be pissed about and a lot to fear.

In hind sight, Yea toss Saddam to the wolves for his use of chemical weapons. But it should also be known that it wasn't until around march of 1988 that Saddam was known to of used the weapons on his own people. But it was blamed in part on Iran and most everyone else believed that they had a good part in it up to the mid 90 to late 90's. Here is a Risk assessment from the CIA dated 1998 in which they blame Iran for the Kurd's attach. Evidently, it wasn't until 2007 before Iran was officially cleared by an international organization. That's a wiki link and I think I have already stated my position on wiki articles. It seems to reference a 2003 article that claims we knew it was Saddam all along though.

I'm probably getting a little long on this, but I think it was more of a We didn't disapprove enough when they used them again Iran because of a mutual desire to see Iran defeated and didn't fully comprehend that Iraq was responsible for the uses against the Kurds until after the policy shift. We have had a history or tolerating some things that we shouldn't have because of this mutual benefit. Look at China, Even before the Tibet situation today, we ended up giving them a pass on Tienanmen square, forced abortions, and religious persecution. Now that we have seen peaceful protesters killed (and protests turned violent) by state police in Tibet, no one is going to say anything when china shouldn't even be there in the first place. I guess the are claiming outside influences now. I can understand our support for Saddam at a point in history a lot better then I can China today.

I want to apologize and thank you for correcting some things I was wrong about.

Well, I don't want to sound like an ass or anything, but I enjoyed having to look up what I though I remembered to make sure it was true. And it isn't all you, I got hit on a few things too (like the 1925 Geneva convention, I didn't think the use of chemical weapons was actually banned at that time). There are tones of articles out there that took some extreme positions that seem to lack basis in reality but stand firm in emotion.

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Nuclear simulations are one of the main reasons DOE builds supercomputers. Since the U.S. can't test actual nuclear bombs anymore R&D is done on these supercomputers. Looks like they have some spare CPU time to lend out to academia though. https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2007/NR-07-06-09.html http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/articles/1990/thirdworldbomb.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_National_Laboratory

China will get to the moon before we return, BFD ... done did ... so what.

The Q&A should be on who will be staying in space and on the moon ... I hope it is humanity ... not just US, EU, Russia, China ... Corporatist/Militarist.

December 1998: This is one of many facts about US/EU corporatist/goverment selling/transfering nuclear, rocket, and other technologies to China, Israel (lost Tybee Island nuke ... time-lines) .... Anyway about 1998: A secret Pentagon report concludes that Hughes Space and Communications, without proper authorization, gave China vital technological assistance crucial to the successful launchings of Chinese ballistic missiles and satellites. The report concluded that Hughes provided a "defense service" to China that violated U.S. rules against helping Beijing make better rockets and missiles. http://www.wisconsinproject.org/

In the NY TIMES of April 4, 1998, Jeff Gerth with Raymond Bonner exposed a manipulation wherein the US government and 2 major American arms companies transferred Ballistic Missile technology to China. As a Grand Jury was investigating whether 2 American companies (Loral Space & Communications and Hughes Electronics) gave China space expertise that significantly advanced Beijing's ballistic missile program, President Clinton approved of this transfer 2 months ago. Clinton undercut a Grand Jury investigation in order to protect what? or whom? Gerth also exposed the huge $2.5 million contribution made by Loral and Hughes to the Democratic Party since 1991. http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1998/040798b.htm

Folks; the above is about the prior Whitehouse residents and USA Corporatist. What is going on these days and for the start of this new millennium is way beyond anything in the last .... Oh, everyone is still looking for the lost Tybee Island nuke ... like it is really still missing in 20 foot deep water and river delta muck.

Anyway, I am damn happy Israel has nukes to protect US/EU ... the Brits helped some on the project.

Your ignorance is astounding:

"India: While striving to achieve independence from foreign suppliers, India's ballistic missile programs still benefited from the acquisition of foreign equipment and technology. India sought items for these programs during the reporting period primarily from Russia and Western Europe. New Delhi successfully flight-tested its newest MRBM, the Agni-2, in April 1999 after months of preparations and continued apace with its SRBM program. India continues to pursue the development of nuclear weapons, and its underground nuclear tests in May 1998 were a significant milestone. The acquisition of foreign equipment could benefit New Delhi in its efforts to develop and produce more sophisticated nuclear weapons. India obtained some foreign nuclear-related assistance during the second half of 1999 from a variety of sources worldwide, including in Russia and Western Europe." - "Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions, July 1 Through December 31, 1999," Report released by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), August 9, 2000."

India and WMD

India uses similar delivery systems for its (indigenously developed) Space Program, which have actually been pretty successful (eg. GSLV).

Chronology of Indian Missile Development
From almost 20 years ago

Only get this, radical Islamists have no army and no nation state unlike the Nazis. And Iran is NO threat to the U.S. only a threat to Israel, and not really even a threat to Israel as Israel most likely has hundreds of nuclear bombs (no one knows for sure as they won't let anyone inspect them, hmmmm sound familiar?) Israel can damn well defend itself with it's nuclear bombs and killing Palestinians at a 4:1 that suicide bombers kill Isralis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/42945 02.stm (Palestinians killed by Israelis)

"Today, Israel is the world's sixth most powerful nuclear state, with a stockpile of more than 100 nuclear weapons and with the components and ability to build atomic, neutron and hydrogen bombs. Israel's nuclear program began and still operates under tight secrecy, but in the 1980s a series of revelations showed the crucial role played by foreign suppliers."

(1996 data more now certainly)

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/israel/n uke.html

Meanwhile even pessimists believe that Iran is years away from having any nuclear weapons capability whasoever. Why am I crying for Israel again?
According to this Washington Post article Iran is a DECADE away from having nukes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html

Tragic as it was 911 only killed as many people as die from heart attacks every 3 days, week after week, month after month, year after year. You want to stop American's dying? Declare war on McDonald's, or does doing the math require too much brain power for "patriots" and Christian religious nuts?

"Heart attacks kill approximately 460,000 people yearly in the United Sates, according to the National Institutes of Health."

http://www.saintclares.org/services/CardiacCare/He artDiseaseStats.asp

Sure. See this timeline for example. Much more interesting, though, is what this timeline doesn't directly mention. See for example, 1990. Surprise-surprise! Turns out the United States has nuclear weapons (where are they aimed, what do you think?) right next to the North Korean border (in nuclear terms). That is supposedly fine and dandy, according to US double standard.

Then the timeline details (some of) the promises, concentrating mainly on the promised nuclear reactors. An important thing to understand is that North Korea has few other energy options, it needs nuclear power to run the economy, not just to make plutonium. But these promises haven't been followed up on very well. You can also see from the timeline very clearly that North Korea has repeatedly made steps towards compromise, peace, etc.

I also suggest that you watch a "Nuclear Nightmare - Understanding North Korea" documentary, it has a lot of interesting footage and, though it's also biased a bit, overall it shows a very interesting picture of where North Korea really stands.

Korea - we want to develop nuclear power

For a better albeit incomplete analysis of the rest, like the "help", see here. For a timeline, see this.

Unfortunately, the ugly truth is that North Korea bought some nuke technology from Pakistan, who has proven their nukes with underground testing. They've also been manufacturing plutonium since about 1990, which, unlike uranium 235, doesn't need complicated enrichment. As for their missile technology, they tested their first successfully in 1984. Some of Iraq's Scuds from the 1991 war may have been built in North Korea. Also check out their amusingly named "Nodong" missile. Here are some details.

Brazil is one of the world's largest arms exporters to the Third World. Its first three space rockets, the Sonda I, II, and III, were all developed into surface-to-surface missiles that Iraq, Libya, and Saudi Arabia purchased right off the production line.

Link

terminology of liberalism and peace hijacked by Palestinian warmongers

The Palestinians dont spend 3 Billion American dollars a year on weapons of mass destruction, missiles, satellites, nuclear weapons, helicopters and submarines

Some warmongers.

What the fuck are you talking about, moron?

You really have been living in a cave. This is what I'm talking about Troll Boy:

Testimony Before the House Committee on National Security

But that was 1997, I remember Sun getting busted just last year, just can't find it at the moment. If you really are interested I'm sure a quick Google will pop something up.


Even if your dumbass claim was correct, there would still be no issue for Linux -- the hardware itself would be illegal regardless of the software running on it.

Not exactly. You have to ask yourself what is a supercomputer? It is just as much about hardware as it is software. Yes it is easy to assemble a cluster of high end P4's or AMD64's.

The question is should the Beowulf software be freely available? Good question. I'm not saying that it should or shouldn't be, but rest assured there are many high ranking government employee's that already know that answer. The problem is that the cat is already out of the bag software-wise.

So in our post 911 world what is a government to do? My guess is that you haven't seen anything yet. Get ready for the legislative hammer to squash you like a bug. Communists beware. Grab a beer and some popcorn, it will be an interesting show. This SCO nonsense is just going to be the spark that ignited this huge fireball. Wait and see.

I'm not saying that this is right. I'm just saying look at history. Learn from it. Why was Microsoft convicted of being an illegal monopolist yet they received no punishment? It's politics, it is more powerful that even you can imagine.

Makes sense, because Israel has already been caught doing this by secretly selling the apartheid government of South Africa nuclear arms.

Ironically, with Israel's bans on inter-racial marriages, work permits for palestinians, and their new security wall they arguably are implementing apartheid on their own.

Selling arms to another country makes economic and diplomatic sense as they're only real ally is the US and depend on US aid for both their economy and military. By selling arms, even illegally,they have an chance to make money and make new friends. With already 65 UN resolutions against Israel, another really isn't going to hurt especially if the US steps in and vetos.

Mod this as you wish, but those are the facts.

A reason is given somewhere in the middle of this. Basically it is believed supercomputers could help "The evil dooers/terrorists" research weapons of mass destruction or harm America in other ways.

Or Nuke simulators

Here's more info on computer export laws