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You mean this?
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=24413

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=34107

Windows 3.1 should work.

1. Install DOSBox on your Raspberry Pi.

2. Install Windows 95/98 in DOSBox. Windows 95 on DosBox guide.

3. ?????

4. PROFIT!

1. Install DOSBox on your Raspberry Pi.

2. Install Windows 95/98 in DOSBox. Windows 95 on DosBox guide.

Or you can just use this: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=25606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Check this topic: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=25606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c883e111edfabdab8f3553f8f8a93d7f They already have an executable compiled for anyone to test out. Plus you can use it to run the original voodoo drivers for windows 95 - 98 for hardware accelerated Direct 3D games. Here's a gallery of 3DMark '99, using the DirectX 6 benchmark in dosbox: http://imgur.com/a/sBwz3#XbibR You can download the compiled test executable (dosbox_mingw.zip) on this page in the forums: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=25606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=340&sid=c77daab3a3561f5a676e32a91b2c97f5

Check this topic: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=25606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c883e111edfabdab8f3553f8f8a93d7f They already have an executable compiled for anyone to test out. Plus you can use it to run the original voodoo drivers for windows 95 - 98 for hardware accelerated Direct 3D games. Here's a gallery of 3DMark '99, using the DirectX 6 benchmark in dosbox: http://imgur.com/a/sBwz3#XbibR You can download the compiled test executable (dosbox_mingw.zip) on this page in the forums: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=25606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=340&sid=c77daab3a3561f5a676e32a91b2c97f5

Sell your old stuff on ebay, and post about it on http://vogons.zetafleet.com./ That's the DOSBox forum. If you've got any Roland sound cards, those guys will pay a premium. The Roland stuff = one of the few things that wasn't emulated 100%, the last time I checked.

Everyone I've ever talked to about old DOS games recommends DOSBox highly, because adjusting the processor speed for old games on the fly is a lot easier than fighting with jumpers.

... I'd rather see them integrate MIDI support. Particularly nice would be MT-32 emulation, but any half-decent MIDI would do. At the moment you have to pipe MIDI commands through to the system's synthesizer, and not all DOSBox-capable systems have a synth that's very good, or easy to setup, or even any synth at all. Unfortunately, DOSBox aren't doing this at the moment as a matter of policy.

I encourage anyone who'd also like this to mention it to the DOSBox devs.

Here is the guide on how to setup Win95 in dosbox: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=24936

Well if you look around on the vogons dosbox forums: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/index.php?c=7 , you will find out that you can run Windows 95 in dosbox with some tweaks. In fact, they are using the real voodoo drivers installed in windows 95 for testing the voodoo emulation in dosbox.

16-bit Windows apps generally won't work in DOSBox, in my experience.

Someone else's experience says Windows 3.1 works in DOSBox. From when is your experience?

In any case, emulating another OS on top of your current OS does not actually mean that your software will run on your current OS.

Mac OS X on PowerPC paravirtualized Mac OS 9 to run Mac OS 9 apps. Microsoft appears to be doing something similar with "XP Mode" in Windows 7 Professional.

you can not natively run 16-bit software on 64-bit Windows.

I was only pointing out that 0123456 didn't say natively.

DOSBox does not officially have printing support. People have added it, but it's not part of the main product.

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=19764

Why is this? Is it because most games don't require printing support?

I'm sure there are some people out there with Print Shop or something who would like to be able to use it... And I tried to help someone run a DOS accounting application under Vista using DOSBox. I couldn't figure out how to get printing to work and ran out of time. :-(

steveha

Did you know that some REALLY old school DOS apps bypassed the OS and wrote files straight to the hard drive?

DOSBox supports harddrive images. Presumably these applications would work if we used a hdd image. I do recall that there was software that didn't run on DOSBox though. I think the CA-Clipper compiled software didn't work properly in DOSBox, but did work properly in a Windows DOS window for some reason.

The guest OS recognizes a driver provided by the environment with limited capabilities. It's fine for web browsing and cross platform testing, but in now way would let you do any kind of gaming.

Hey now, there is one kind of gaming that works great under virtualization.

Speaking of older dos games, the GPL DOS emulator dosbox is just about perfect, even for protected mode games. Even Mechwarrior 2 will work, with some fudging. It even runs windows 3.11 and with it many pre-95 games.

Dosbox is fully free and cross-platform, which means that even without the source code, these games will continue to exist and be playable in perpetuity.

Binary file comparison shows that they are using the 0.70 release executable and added a wrapper. Means they did not modify the sources, just for clarification.

Binary file comparison shows that they are using the 0.70 release executable and added a wrapper. Means they did not modify the sources, just for clarification.

Has it? Where is this evidence that it isn't just a binary produced from a exe wrapper utility to integrate it into Steam etc?

Well, this *is* just speculation, but my evidence is that other changes appear to have been made to Dosbox. It doesn't run in it's standard configuration, with (for example) a central repository for shared data. Rather, there is one Dosbox per Steam game. That suggests a source code change to me. The Dosbox people also seem to think it has been modified here.

Valve might have anticipated this GPL issue, and used a binary modifier to get round it. But if they did anticipate the issue, why didn't they package the LICENSE.txt file?

This isn't just about copyright notifications. The version of DOSBox being used in this distribution is a modification of 0.70. It was clearly modified on a source level as the exe is now dependent upon the existence of certain Steam libraries. This has been confirmed here:

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16285& postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

Running the modded DOSBox.exe in it's own directory first complains about missing SDL libraries. After adding those, it will them complain about missing Steam libraries. This is clearly a derivative work under the terms of the GPL and the source code has not been made available.

So Valve/Id have to go down one of two roads now:

1) Release the derivative source and give us valuable insight into how their DRM Steam engine works.

2) Pull the release and piss off a ton of people on Steam.

Either way - Valve is in trouble here. What kills me is that instead of protecting the game executables, they protected the GPLed Emulator they use to run them. What a bunch of idiots. If you ever needed a reason to hate Valve and Steam, they've just handed it to you on a silver platter. I mean isn't it ironic that for all the DRM in Steam designed to protect their own copyrights, that they manage to trample on the copyright of several people in the process and they just don't seem to care?

Ironic.

I gather that a copyright notice has no been added to the Steam DosBox distribution but all the interest has now led people to carefully check how DosBox is being distributed. Currently it looks like someone went and modified DosBox.exe to make it check in with Steam (I can't verify this myself though). If this is true (it's not clear what has happened to this exe) a can of worms has been opened (and the half-chance "easy" way out might have been closed).

The licence oversight was just that and needed fixing but if the modified exe business is true then someone made one small problem and another larger problem with this particular distribution.

Apparently, they actually are modifying DOSBox. http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?p=114267

And this sort of thing is the reason companies are afraid of GPL.

This sort of thing isn't always on purpose

It is true, plus the build isn't even the same. http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16285

VDMSound can work pretty nicely

DOSBox is great. It's also got a great forum community at http://vogons.zetafleet.com/ if you need any help or have any comments/questions/suggestions.

here and here.

here and here.

The MT-32 emulation project, which is an offshoot of the DosBox project recently received a cease and desist letter regarding the use of the PCM samples from the synthesizer. Normally this would be an open and shut case, but it just so happens that U.S. Copyright law (specifically 17 U.S.C. section 405) shows that Roland lost their copyright because nowhere did they explicity register it, and registering (or atleast copyright marking) was required before 1989. The MT-32, of course, was produced in 1987. You can find more details at the emulation forum on Vogons" In particular, read through this thread for Canadacow's response to Roland's lawyers, for the type of response that most lawyers probably don't expect from most programmers.

The screenshots look encouraging, and the Mandrake people reckon it's much easier to compile, and its main focus is running Very Old (dos) Games On New Systems (-: nice acronym :-).

Okay, how should I put this so that it doesn't sound like a shameless plug? Ah, to hell with it. Need help with ScummVM, or some other old game you want to play but just can't manage to get working? (Come on, I know there are a few of you out there.) VOGONS has you covered. Ender (you know, the ScummVM guy) regulars the forum.

Okay, I'm done plugging.
But seriously, check it out. We're a year strong and, not suffing from complete mental breakdown, yet.

give this site a shot. vorgons

They has a few usefull tips. However in a few years the only way to play any of those games will be through some sort of full on DOS emulation. Not the cheese version built into NT. Or just keep an old 486 around for these sorts of things. Not that I would ever do that.

Please, PLEASE, for the love of $DIETY, put this stuff on CD! First of all, it seems to me that learning is accomplished better with moving graphical aids.. and also, I being a junior in highschool have a bag weighing over 27kg! Give me a fucking laptop with some preloaded software! All of the campuses of our school have wireless hubs EVERYWHERE -- there's no reason to avoid the obvious technological advantage! (But then again why would the board of trustees want to CHANGE anything? ...don't mind me. I've got a lot of beefs with my school.

Vogons should be vogons.zetafleet.com, not .org!

VOGONS (pun intended), Very Old Games On New Systems, is a forum designed to help you get old games (DOS/3.1/some 95/98) running on new systems (usually NT/2K/XP, but occasionally users running WINE*, 95, and 98 have problems as well). Shameless plug, but hey, I'm still waiting for The Dig 2.

* WINE users are known to have .005% more problems than those using a real copy of any of the 9x series.

what the fuck are you talking about??? If you're going to design a site, you should probably make it viewable in 800x600. Making the user scroll to the right to read your crappy journal is practically the same as a page-widening troll post.

Then again, Judging by the crappy gawth poetry on there it's pretty safe to assume you know your regular readers personally. "oooh go look at my inter-web site!"

I use notepad. YHBT motherfucker.

Features like 'open source' and '$150 cheaper' aren't really bonuses to most PC users, when it doesn't have the feature 'runs all my Windows programs and games just fine' implemented correctly.

Amusing. 'Nuff said. (Please don't kill my webserver...though, posting a link on /. ... is it possible NOT to?)