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2. Evolution in its strictest sense, the way it is treated by mainstream scientists in the technical literature, is completely unguided and godless

> I want to avoid a complicated mess, so I will restrict myself to the presentation of irreducible complexity.

You could save yourself some trouble if you knew how often the IC argument has been refuted, though I don't suppose it will hurt anyone if we go through it yet again...

> I knew I was getting myself into trouble without explaining this better. First of all I didn't intend to separate the two sentances. Parenthesis are intended to supplement an idea in the previous sentence, so don't treat them as separate thoughts. Let me break what I meant down for you:
1. Either the supernatural intervened in the origin of things, or it didn't.
2. Evolution in its strictest sense, the way it is treated by mainstream scientists in the technical literature, is completely unguided and godless.
3. Creation can be defined as the origin of things from a guided process.
4. By definition, either 2 and 3 make up the entire universe of what is possible and they are mutually exclusive possibilities.

And there's the non sequitur. Going by your definitions they are in fact mutually exclusive, but they are not jointly exhaustive. For example, there could be some other completely unguided/godless process that put the world in its current form. Refuting evolution wouldn't prove God any more than refuting God would prove evolution.

Please list some of the details that you think cast doubt on it..

I want to avoid a complicated mess, so I will restrict myself to the presentation of irreducible complexity. We can discuss other areas later. Give me some time to write it up. (This takes time, that is why I said it was beyond the scope of this post.)

> So, if evolution in its strictest sense does turn out to be false, the only alternative is creation.
non sequitur
> (Even God guided evolution can be thought of as a form of creation to a point.)
God-guided chemstry, god-guided weather, god-guided planetary orbits, and god-guided nuclear fission make a lot of sense too.

I knew I was getting myself into trouble without explaining this better. First of all I didn't intend to separate the two sentances. Parenthesis are intended to supplement an idea in the previous sentence, so don't treat them as separate thoughts. Let me break what I meant down for you:
1. Either the supernatural intervened in the origin of things, or it didn't.
2. Evolution in its strictest sense, the way it is treated by mainstream scientists in the technical literature, is completely unguided and godless.
3. Creation can be defined as the origin of things from a guided process.
4. By definition, either 2 and 3 make up the entire universe of what is possible and they are mutually exclusive possibilities.
5. Therefore it is not non sequitur to say that 3 is the only alternative if 2 isn't true.
6. I take the blame for the misunderstanding. I failed to explain myself better.

> Outlining all of this thought with exhaustive examples would be well beyond the scope of this post. ;)
Providing supporting details is outside the scope of creationism altogether.

Yes, and it's not fair for you to assume that this is where I am coming from. I enjoy arguing evidence for evolution as much as I enjoy arguing evidence for creation. I believe people are intellectually dishonest if they don't treat all knowledge fairly, despite their personal religious discoveries. When I say that outlining this thought with exhaustive examples would be well beyond the scope of this post, I mean it. ;)

that's right, an infinite # of channels, ALL spewing forth Godless greed/fear based payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup felon ?pr? crapolah execrable.

this is what you wanted? lookout bullow.

Right now it takes DVD-Rs 2 discs to back up a movie (dual-layer vs. single layer). It would be nice to archive my movie collections using less media.

Bah, who cares one way or another. The government, since it's meant to represent ALL the people, should not, ever, EVER, incorporate religious doctrine, symbolism, etc, into it's workings. Yes, that includes no "under god" in the pledge of allegiance, or religious phrases on currency. Why? Because it's plainly obvious (to anyone who isn't trying to argue their way out of a corner) that the "god" mentioned is the Christian God, thus excluding all else. Clearly, this is a VERY bad thing for a government which is "by the people, for the people", and hopefully, ALL people. It results in people being excluded, because those who are not part of the "not-quite-state-sponsored" religion are left out.

A better question is, why should the government endorse/recognize any religion at all? What purpose does this serve? WTF is the phrase "under god" included in the pledge of allegiance, other than to counter the "godless communists" of the cold war era? Frankly, I see no need for it... religion is a personal matter, and belongs in the home and in the church. It does NOT belong in the government that runs the country.

if you don't know the words, just hum along with the music.

Microsoft Tries Flush Away Its iLoo Snafu
By REUTERS

Filed at 6:10 a.m. ET

LOS ANGELES ( Reuters) - Is it a Web-surfing portable toilet or a public relations nightmare -- or both?

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O) reversed its position for the second time in 24 hours on Tuesday over whether or not it had ever planned to launch a portable toilet with a built-in Internet terminal in Britain this summer.

On Monday, the world's largest software maker had said the ``iLoo,'' which was described in minute detail in an April 30 press release by its British subsidiary, was a hoax and apologized for any ``confusion or offense.''

But on Tuesday Microsoft switched its story and said that the iLoo had been a legitimate project by its British MSN Internet service that was terminated after the initial announcement prompted controversy, ridicule and disgust.

``Corporate headquarters in Redmond, Washington, looked at it and decided maybe this wasn't a good idea,'' said Lisa Gurry, MSN group product manager.

Gurry said the iLoo had been intended as part of a public relations campaign to promote the company's money-losing MSN service in unexpected places. The same campaign had previously featured Web access on London park benches and beach chairs in France.

Newspapers and news services, including Reuters, the Associated Press and The Wall Street Journal, reported on Microsoft's initial iLoo announcement.

Reuters also ran a detailed conceptual diagram of the iLoo, which was to have featured fast Internet access and an adjustable flat-panel display.

Public response was mixed. Letters published on Monday in one of Microsoft's hometown newspapers, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, questioned the hygiene of sharing a keyboard in a public toilet and whether the iLoo was real.

``Knowing Microsoft, though, it probably won't be perfected until Version 2.0,'' the newspaper commented.

After Microsoft said on Monday that the project was a hoax, Reuters issued a retraction of its story published last week.

``Don't tell me they're trying to flush the story down,'' said Russ Cooper, a computer security expert and longtime Microsoft gadfly.

``The only worse thing they could have done with this PR debacle was to have officially announced that the iLoo was going to run 'Bob' -- the failed operating system that went down the toilet.''

Microsoft, meanwhile, said its focus now was ``to ensure that this type of confusion doesn't happen again.''

``Our top priority right now is making sure that a couple of MiSstatements from yesterday are corrected,'' Gurry said.

--lookout bullow. the daze of the Godless payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup FraUDs, is dissolving into coolapps.

more on making sure this doesN'T happen again, at trusworthycomputing.com.

No, I have that shirt too. "Nuke a godless communist gay baby seal for Christ."

MSFT President George W. Bush Appoints Microsoft Representative to President's Information and Technology Advisory Committee (PITAC) - PR Newswire

yikes.

lookout bullow. the daze of the Godless phonIE payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup bullshipping industrIE, is dissolving into coolapps.

more details of awakening from the georgewellian fairytail wwwhirled can be found DOWt at trustworthycomputing.com -1

always consult with yOUR creator regarding matters of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit.

Frankly, I'm surprised that Slashdot didn't come to me, internationally known cybersecurity activist Seth Finklestein, for advice on the matter. I have been abused like a tattered rag doll by Slashdot's own editor, Michael Sims.

Ever since Michael Sims' message "The Censorware Project is Closed," I have been kept awake at night by persistent phone calls and very loud e-mails sent by Michael. Mr. Sims has called me, my wife, my five internationally acclaimed children, and even my wife with vague threats against me.

I did absolutely nothing wrong at any point in my life. I am a shining beacon in a godless, hateful world. Please help me. I'm a victim.

Don't piss off Allah by bombing the fuck out of his poeple you godless American pigs!

moron buying/selling sex (Score:-1, Flamebait)
by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 09, @09:32AM (#5918055)
it's a bad idea to start with.

get yourself a good.site, and work to repel evile, whilst promoting open/honest communications/commerce.

or, just keep watching the phonIE bullonly sideshow, until the Godless payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup FraUDs, are ready to fleece you again/sum more.

at any rate, lookout bullow. don't forget to consult with yOUR creator early & often regarding matters of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit.

just what is the meaning of this?

it's a bad idea to start with.

get yourself a good.site, and work to repel evile, whilst promoting open/honest communications/commerce.

or, just keep watching the phonIE bullonly sideshow, until the Godless payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup FraUDs, are ready to fleece you again/sum more.

at any rate, lookout bullow. don't forget to consult with yOUR creator early & often regarding matters of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit.

you also have the right to remain sileNT. everything you say, can be used against you.

the Godless payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup FraUDpeddler's dream come true.

lookout bullow. sum of US are beginning to awaken from this georgewellian fairytail/nightmare.

lookout bullow. after all of the last gasper dinosaur softwar gangster litigatory strong arming, software/information will STILL be free, as in available.

folks don't mind paying (a fair price) for things that help them. that's been our experience.

trying to hold the consumer hostage will never work.

lookout bullow. the Godless payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup fraud scammage, is dissolving into coolapps.

consult with yOUR creator regarding matters of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit.

we'd never pay anything to know about/use va lairIE's patentdead PostBlock(tm) device, or the rest of the SourceForgerIE's(tm) corepirate payper chase.

All right, when I said use a good editor that was secret code for 'use emacs', but you can't make me code in lisp, it's godless and wrong and godlessly wrong and a whole bunch of other things. Look what it did to RMS.

Obviously what I meant was use emacs to hack Python code and take advantage of all those wonderful Lisp macros and whatnot that make your editing so much easier but don't ever look under the hood because Lisp will make your brain melt and leak out your ears and down to your chin where it will soften and nourish the flesh giving rise to a formidable beard such as would bring tears to the eyes of hardened hackers the world over and then accept that you'll never see a woman naked again.

I just read on rotten.com that on this day, world famous drag queen and longtime G-man J. Edgar Hoover dies in his sleep at the age of 77. If he didn't investigate your grand-daddy for being a Godless commie, he was envious of your grandmothers Sunday dress and shoes. Truely an AmeriKKKan icon.

worth of ink. that's quite typical, in to daze 'economIE', or is it econoME?

lookout bullow. run for your phonIE payper liesense options, should you have any left? the dark daze of the Godless greed/fear based softwar gangsters is deepending into coolapps.

the creator is participating, act like you understand what that means, & we might, even yet, come out of this cesspool of deception, to be ok.

that's right. if all 40 of you would just read the 'storIE', buy the product/stock/lie, & just go away, that would be grand.

any 'posting' required can be done buy trained bots who respond positively to everIE 'offer'.

but no, some of y'all continue to insist that the forum WE built, has been turned into sum sort of tout sheet for Godless payper liesense stock markup frauds, that makes the SourceForgerIE(tm) accomplice to execrable.

this is what you wanted? lookout bullow. no amount of phonIE ?pr? spew is going to balance the b00ks for US.

PostBlock(tm) device, with indignation suit.

next, it'll be a penguin suit.

the evile wons are plotting .asp we don't speak, to make sure that all yOUR spam comes only from pigs born&raised on Godless greed/fear based pacific crest/wall street of deceit execrable.

Or sinful, godless Mp3 links for that matter.