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>Hmmm... Let's list the first nation with an emission test for vehicles. (California 1966, USA 1968)
How about the first legislation on auto manufacturers for fuel efficiency (USA 1975)

Which is of course false, because the vehicles yankee use are NOT subject to any efficiency regulations, because they are classified as pickup trucks over 6000lbs curb weight. So the Hummers, Tahoes and the like are free to use a gallon of petrol every ten miles or so and you actually get a big tax refund if you buy this kind of monster car instead of a smaller one. Driving a Geo Metro you would get executed by means of an F150-overrun for being a godless, tree-hugging communist traitor.

In fact there are no modern diesel cars in the USA, because the ugly americans don't even de-sulphurize their diesel fuel and modern small displacement common-rail injection turbodiesel engines simply do not tolerate contaminated fuel. American big nose 18-wheeler trucks with their 1950's era breathing engines spew the most vicious sulphuric-acid-laden soot you can imagine, destroying forests left and right.

In Europe people are still used to walk or ride the bicycle when travelling short distances, like grocery six blocks away. Public transport also exists. Cars are smaller and vastly more efficient.

Also, the lack of high-speed rail connections makes domestic US airline traffic one of the worst source of pollution in the world, destroying the ozone layer very efficiently. Why there is no shinkanzen from LA to NY and TGV link from Chigaco to Florida?

Wow. You really need to lay off the Demoncrat koolaide. Your stupid is showing in large amounts. Let me illustrate for you. The first mistake you made in your post was to bring up the word "values". Mainly because moonbat liberals don't have ANY values. You guys want to desecrate holy matrimony by letting gays get married. As soon as the man boy love association wants to legalize their practices you'll probably back them too. That's why I don't like the godless direction America took under the liberal haze that set in during the 70s and the Clinton era. Fortunately, America is back on track. We have a christian president who supports good clean morals. Do you know how long it's been since we've had that? 1988. It took twelve years to get the country back to its moral roots as the founding fathers intended. In 2008, we're going to have to keep the momentum going because all change for the positive is painful and too many people are losing faith right now. But all will be revealed in 2008 and God will surely come out the winner when a Republican wins the presidency.

"Ars Technica goes on to recount suggestions that genomes evolved to the point where they work well with evolution."

I wouldn't put it past those Godless bohemian radicals to deny Devine Intervention in the creation of species.

Pish and Tush, I say. Pish and Tush.

Thank [whatever teh godless skeptics pray to] for Lindsay Bayerstein or that bit of news would have badly damaged my faith in Canadians as the clean-and-sane people from North America.

Third of a billion is significant? You're obviously not a God fearing Republican. You must be one of those libruls who would rather spend money on domestic problems rather than spreading Jesus to the godless Brown people and oil control to Fearless Leader and his God-Fearing Business Pals. HOW CAN YOU PUT A PRICE TAG ON THAT?

Retailers in the U.S. are in the red all year up until "Black Friday" -- the day following Thanksgiving. This is mostly due to the existence of multiple religious holidays where gift giving/exchange is encouraged that fall on or around the winter solstice.

The only reason that buying patterns are concentrated around this time of year is precisely because the holiday exists. If christmas had never been, people would still buy gifts for each other. There might be some other gift-giving holiday, or birthdays might have more importance. In fact, it would cause there to be a more even distribution of buying patterns throughout the year. I don't think your statistic of "being in the red" rings true for all retail sectors, but if it did- it would disappear without christmas.

Of course, then one might argue- but christmas is the only reason people give gifts! If that is the case, it is a rather poor view of humanity. It removes the concept of charity and good will from the human as an individual, and moves it to being purely a creation of religion itself. This is one of the core arguments against atheism- that "godless" people are morally bankrupt.

my point was that they don't have to... they just have to get her out in 4 years and further discredit the Dems in the process. They can do this by making her look like a cold hearted, godless monster. They have the PR to do it and Hillary is a fairly easy target because of her image, being the first woman president and being associated with Bill.

Hillary will have to tread fairly lightly in her first term.

I assure you that when they do the republicans will raise holly hell. They wont need a majority to whip the middle into a conservative frenzy when its those godless heathens taking advantage of these powers. If the dems get power and use these same tricks they could be out in 4 years (2 for congress) if they aren't careful .

Belief in "God" as an "invisible man" (plus any beards/robes/swords etc) is a religious concept which adorns the core element, which I could call "God". The strict rules, again, are religion at work, not "God" Because of those connotations which allow you to construct your straw man arguement, I wouldnt use the word "God". I prefer to call it "The Creative Principle". I know The Creative Princlple exists because I have conveniently chosen a name which is also a description of observations of the world around me. Believing in God is therefore simply a semantic trick, the real question is: What beliefs are useful to me? The next part is even better - I am God. Im either God, a fragment of God, or I am defying and offending God - all three are awesome cool ways to live. your alternative; being godless mechanised "meat" on an insignificant spinning rock, is just, um, weak. How can you feel good like that? maybe you have some semantic tricks of your own? unless... we are the only/most advanced sentient meat, and therefore defacto "Gods"....

Ha! I knew it. All you people who think that redaction somehow evolved from nothing more microscopic ink blots are godless fools.

I also fear bears, for they are giant marauding godless killing machines.

The American government - just one party away from Communism

Nah; it's only godless Communism if your political leaders mouth platitudes that include reverent invocations of Marx and Engels (and maybe Mao). If your political leaders' implement the same policies, but their platitudes invoke Jesus and Adam Smith, your country is a God-fearing Capitalist nation.

It's important to keep your terminology straight. But the actual policies and practices of the government don't much matter to much of anyone, as long as you get the words right.

> For instance, O'Reilly is really pretty liberal, at least in the more traditional sense of the word

Funny, I cannot picture Jefferson throwing around the word "treason" to describe his political opponents in every other speech. O'Reilly is basically just a sad old troll there to whip up the faithful, and has no credibility when it comes to actual reporting or analysis. But of course that's because all the other media outlets are full of godless traitorous liberals, right?

mr goat, i think its rather presumptuous of you to assume that mr ballmer doesn't get it. i also think that in light of this his commitment to traditional corporate culture is greater than you are admitting. he has no choice, none whatsoever, other than to pursue the course he is on. for one thing, his retirement depends on it. but for another thing, this really is about truth, justice and the american way.

i've always been curious about the communist trials in the 50's and everything that went on around them. we fought an ideological war against them, didn't we? and if thats the case, and i think it is, i'm' rather curious as to what were the reasons that our ideology was better than theirs? because they were pinkos? godless? no on has ever explained the qualitative advantages of capitalism to me (although i can expound on the disadvantages of communism, its not the same thing).

fear mongering, then, is the tactic that was used then. much as it is now. this is better for you: don't ask any questions. and no one did. which is interesting, because the ones who were doing the fear-mongering were the only ones who had anything to lose. much as it is now.

no, mr ballmer is very well aware of all this. and his speech smacks of an attempt at implicit understanding with all other like-minded technology businessmen that they are better off in the ecology of proft and bottom lines, and microsoft hegemony, of course.

no we can't, favored trade status and all, we have a very supportive relationship with those Godless oppressive commie bastards

"I'm not saying that all non-Christians should get out, but..."

Dear Christ, save me from your followers. You know, I was born and raised here in the States, in Ohio to be specific, the son of an immigrant and, worse, as a heathen practitioner of one of those Godless Eastern religions—in other words, as a (gasp) non-Christian. In this respect my spiritual beliefs are similar to those of many of our Founding Fathers. That's right! They weren't all Bible-thumping Jesus-worshipping fundamentalists! You unbelievable jerk.

You probably don't understand, either, why all those Negroes are gittin' so uppity about O'Reilly's compliment—gee whillikers, it was a compliment! Right? Yes? Fuck you, and I hope your closed-minded values die along with your generation.

This will bring huge cultural changes. In just 25 years, people will have no names, that is names like John C. Smith or Matvei Nikolaevich Morosov will be obsolete. Instead all 6.3 billion people's genetical code will be sequenced and form the basis for world-wide unique personal ID hash values, which then converted to SSH-babble style pseudowords will form your name. E.g. people will have assigned redskin-ish names like "Sitting Bull Stream White Cloud Tilted Tent" or chinese-style names like "Pei Jun Li Xia Bao Wei Gong" as a pronouncible and rememberable resresentation of their 512-bit or so personal ID hash string. There won't be two people with the same name anywhere on Earth, as for a few years we know that even identical twins are slightly different in DNA!

It will be impossible to lie about your name, because desktop DNA machines will be everywhere, just spit into them and in less than 1 minute your unfakeable genetics-based identity will be displayed on the screen. Just seeing your name people will instantly know if you are a girl or a boy, which is a problem with current names in many countires. They will also know if you are white or negro, or blood relative of another name!

I am glad this will happen, because this will provide US-wide consistent personal identification, so murderers cannot trick law enforcement for years living under false names and the unification will be the first step in transforming USA into a unified nation-state, where fedral laws are the same and only law everywhere for any of the 305 million citizens. No need for White House to mess with mandated structure driving licences, DNA based naming will end the current person's registration anarchy in the USA.

Remember, the anarchy of having no centralized citizenship register for USA allowed the godless communist russkies to insert literally hundreds of spy agents under fake american papers and deeply intrude America's science, tech, military and politics circles during the Cold War. On the other hand, USSR with its central registration system proved essentially un-penetratable. Such disparity would be impossible in the DNA-name age!

How did the US remain reasonablly clean?
Wait "BUSINESS PEOPLES PERCEPTION"

I was thinking with the Religous Right having so much political influence it should be ranked WAY high

Funny how the cleanest 10 are amongst the most "godless" societies on the planet.