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LinuxOne Continued Complications

Posted by CmdrTaco on from the shady-dealings-in-the-linux-world dept.

Derek Simkowiak writes "After I informed a potential IPO underwriter about LinuxOne, Inc., they threatened to sue me. What happened after that was even more disappointing". This is an interesting exchange of opinions, facts, threats, and retractions. I highly recommend anyone interested in the future of Linux and Business read this article.

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  1. I don't think so by ralphclark · · Score: 1

    What's the probability that he was *really* seeking to do a positive writeup? I mean, come on.

    Oh...First post?

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    1. Re:I don't think so by nhowie · · Score: 1

      From the article, I'd say he was seeking to do a positive writeup iff LinuxOne gave him anything to write positively about ... which didn't happen.
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  2. lawyer's letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    The "threatening legal letter" from the Hotmail account appears to be an amateurish fake. I would be very surprised if it turned out to have been sent by a real lawyer. Notice also that when you send threatening letters through e-mail, you don't need real legal letterhead to print them on.

    1. Re:lawyer's letter by akey · · Score: 2

      "This constitutes written demand for you to retract your false and malicious statements within 3 days, failing which, you, and your company, will be subject to civil prosecution for your actions."

      Actually, the whole thing sounds like one big ole' troll to me. In any case, there's no court in the US that's going to accept an email sent via hotmail as acceptable for "written demand". Notice the lack of any sort of attempt at a digital signatire, lack of proof that it was sent or delivered, anonymity of hotmail accounts, etc...

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    2. Re:lawyer's letter by spaceorb · · Score: 2
      The recent Business Week article basically pointed out all the major flaws with LinuxOne, for instance -
      LinuxOne's prospectus raises other questions. One red flag is the section where it lists its board of directors. Normally, companies have 8 to 12 board members. But LinuxOne lists only one, by the name of Paul Kraus, who is an architect and the owner of a lithography shop, according to the prospectus. Are LinuxOne's financial statements audited? Yes, by a Reno (Nev.) CPA by the name of Mark Bailey, who runs his own firm. A member of a Big Five accounting firm he isn't.


      Basically, they don't even have the money to hire real employees. This "lawyer" is probably an ambulance chaser who has no real experience, but I don't think the email was forged.
    3. Re:lawyer's letter by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      "Derek- I am the lawyer for LinuxOne, Inc. I have read with disgust the lies you have been spreading over the internet recently regarding the company, its principals and products." principles, not principals. good god some people are stupid.

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    4. Re:lawyer's letter by Chuck+Milam · · Score: 5

      "The "threatening legal letter" from the Hotmail account appears to be an amateurish fake. I would be very surprised if it turned out to have been sent by a real lawyer. Notice also that when you send threatening letters through e-mail, you don't need real legal letterhead to print them on."

      It would surprise me as well to see an attorney for a "technology" firm using a hotmail account to send offcial correspondence. Some things that raised the red flag for me in this "lawyer's" E-Mail:

      • "Derek- I am the lawyer for LinuxOne, Inc." Hmm. Most of the legal correspondence I've seen is certianly more formal than this, even when delivered via E-Mail. For example, Instead of "Derek-" the greeting would be "Derek :" or "Mr. Simkowiak:". Also, most lawyers refer to themselves as "attorneys," not lawyers.
      • "I have read with disgust the lies..." This certianly seems to be an inflammatory statement, not something a good attorney would open a letter with. Again, it just seems too informal.
      • "This constitutes written demand for you to retract your false and malicious statements within 3 days, failing which, you, and your company, will be subject to civil prosecution for your actions. Your immediate action would seem most prudent.: Something just plain smells fishy about this statement as well. Don't attorneys usually cite some legal code or at least make it sound more formal when they insinuate that there has been some sort of wrong committed against a client?
      • "Michael J. Morrison, Esq." Attorneys usually close with the name of their firm. I would hope the LinuxOne isn't using a single, independent attorney instead of a larger firm to conduct their business.

      Overall, this whole message just seems too informal. Most legal communication follows a strict style, including snail mail addresses, formal greetings, closings, and well-defined paragraphs and sentence structure. My guess is that this is someone "playing lawyer." Or maybe they got one of those "Sally Struthers You CAN Learn to be a Lawyer at Home!" kits?

    5. Re:lawyer's letter by dallen · · Score: 1

      I expect they meant "principals," as in "necessary people to run the company," not "principles" as in "beliefs and values."

      It's a nice lawyerly word, don't you think?
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    6. Re:lawyer's letter by P-Weasel · · Score: 1

      Standard Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer However, I know that it is illegal in most states for a person to claim to be a professional (architect, engineer, doctor, etc.) when they are not so. I suspect that if this email was sent by someone who is NOT a licensed attorney, then either LinuxOne may have a problem of a different sort, there.

    7. Re:lawyer's letter by bero-rh · · Score: 2

      Most of the legal correspondence I've seen is certainly more format [...] seems to be an inflammatory statement

      This was IMO an attempt to scare him of, not really a legal document.
      I don't know, if I were their lawyer (I'm not a lawyer though), I might have done the same to imply "Hi, we don't really want a lawsuit, we'd prefer an informal solution (just shut up!), but I'm a lawyer, so if you don't want to comply, we can get formal about it!"
      The only odd thing about it is the hotmail address...

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  3. Nothing hurts more than the truth. by kwsNI · · Score: 1

    Sounds like LinuxONE is really, really afraid of the truth.

    kwsNI

  4. Eeck... by aTRaTiCa · · Score: 1

    I hope a false company wont make it. False product aqusitions? How could they claim to have "LinuxMac" and have no proof of it's exsistance? Something smells stinky about the situation :)

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  5. It isnt for the vendors to sort out by Alan+Cox · · Score: 4

    Policing by competitors isnt right. The SEC is charged with protection of US investors from fraud. You should take it up with them, as should
    everyone else who is concerned and has hard evidence.

    1. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by |2agnarok · · Score: 1

      This is true, the other venders should not have to play watch dog for the whole group, but they do set the standards. If LinuxOne steps in silver and tarnishes itself to tin, it will reflect poorly on other Lunix venders. It seems from Derek Simkowiak story, the problem now is finding a way to deal with people who break the rules. Who/what will stop them? The federal government doesnt play uncle until things get bad.

    2. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by oddjob · · Score: 1

      Protecting investors from fraud is the SEC's job, but enforcing the GPL isn't. If a linux company violates the GPL (whether LinuxOne has or not I do not know) it is in the best interests of Red Hat and others to do something about it.

    3. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by remande · · Score: 3
      How do we deal with people who break the rules? Everybody tell your broker! Tell them exactly what is wrong with LinuxOne, and point them to documents.

      Many, if not most, of the reasons behind the troubles we see at LinuxOne make sense to financial types; you don't have to explain technical concepts to them. If enough brokers and financial types get enough LinuxOne anti-buzz about this, they will send in researchers, and show them exactly what to look for. The results of that research can get the financial community to avoid LinuxOne in droves, taking their investors with them. Remember, these people don't like being wrong.

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    4. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by Bad_CRC · · Score: 1
      In most industries, competitors are the ones who enforce all standards of accountability.

      Consumers do not have the money or power, and cannot usually get sufficiently organized to do such. The end policing may be done by an official agency, but the initial call to alarm (at least the one that gets noticed) is almost always done by a competitor.

    5. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3

      Policing by competitors isnt right.

      If by "policing" you mean "law enforcement", then I would agree; only the government should be arresting, charging, convicting, and fining people.

      But if by "policing" you mean "Verifying compliance with the law and reporting noncompliance to appropriate authorities," I'd have to disagree. No one is more interested in a company's compliance with the law than their competitors. No one else has as much potential to be damaged. Law enforcement doesn't know as much about a particular industry as the players in the industry. In short, I believe that if a company violates the law in a subtle way, the company's competitors are in the best position to recognize the violation and are most influenced by the violation.

      I further disagree with this because I feel it places an unrealistic burden on law enforcement. They can't be everywhere; they can't know everything. They depend on the citizenry for much information about crimes. I do a fair bit of "policing" in my neighborhood. I don't expect that the police department can be as aware of goings on in my neighborhood as I can be.

      When a Rottweiler is loose in my neighborhood, I call Animal Control. When I see an unfamiliar car cruising slowly down the dead-end road I live on, I call the police. When somebody dumps concrete on my lawn, I call the city codes department. I could wait for law enforcement authorities to do their job and not try to do it for them; I could sit back and say "Hey, policing by the citizenry - that's a police state! That's anti-American! That's Naziism!" And taken to an extreme, yes, it is. But I feel that common sense would dictate that I'm responsible for myself and my surroundings, and the government is a tool that I can use to influence them. They are not a safety net or security blanket or even an organization I can rely on to do the right thing.




      (Off-topic moderation rant)
      As I look at this comment, I see it was moderated up as "Informative." Informative in what way?
      Policing by competitors isnt right.
      Opinion.

      The SEC is charged with protection of US investors from fraud.
      Common knowledge.

      You should take it up with them, as should
      everyone else who is concerned and has hard evidence.
      A plea for good citizenship.

      No disrespect is meant to Alan Cox, but the moderation of this comment looks a LOT like hero worship. Of course, there's no way to tell if the person with user id "Alan Cox" is male, or is named Alan Cox, or is the Alan Cox we are all familiar with.

    6. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by Michel · · Score: 1
      The SEC is charged with protection of US investors from fraud.
      Common knowledge.
      It is? I didn't know this. I don't even know what SEC stands for, so how could it be common knowledge?

      Or are you thinking US-centric again?

    7. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by perigeeV · · Score: 1

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    8. Re:It isnt for the vendors to sort out by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      Sorry, I should have been more specific.

      That the SEC is the Securities Exchange Commission and that it is tasked with protection of US investors is common knowledge to anyone within its jurisdiction, and to anyone who has any knowledge of investing within the US.

      And if you're outside the US and don't invest in the US, then knowledge of what the SEC is and does is fairly pointless.

      Regardless, my point was simply that spelling out the duties of a fairly prominent US govenrmental department doesn't rate an "Informative" moderation.

  6. LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    I asked a securities analyst what he would tell a client about this one; here's what he told me. Looks surprisingly positive in the circumstances:

    The value of LinuxOne's business is inestimable. The company has made an immeasurable contribution to the open source software, and can expect copious intangible rewards for doing so. The CEO has no small degree of experience as a tech-businessman, and will manage the company with his usual degree of skill for its entire future. Investors can look forward to profits of anything up to 500% more than the company is making now. This is an IPO which the investment community should be falling over each other to learn about.

    1. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ROFL. 500% * 0 = 0. hehe

    2. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Mart · · Score: 1

      So we're expected to believe an "expert" analysis that is not only unattributed, but is posted anonymously? I think not.

    3. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      I think that was a very subtle joke. Just check out the post of the AC that replied.

      Hint: I think that even profits of 5,000,000,000% more than they are making now are possible.

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    4. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Coriolis · · Score: 4
      I can't see anything to disagree with here:

      The value of LinuxOne's business is inestimable.
      There's no way we can tell how much this business is worth. Probably nothing.

      The company has made an immeasurable contribution to the open source software...
      The company's contribution to OSS does not register on any known scale of measurement.

      and can expect copious intangible rewards
      i.e., no money.

      The CEO has no small degree of experience as a tech-businessman
      Factually speaking, it's miniscule, not small.

      manage the company with his usual degree of skill
      Bear in mind his usual degree of skill, here...

      for its entire future
      Which is measurable in weeks.

      profits of anything up to 500% more than the company is making now
      Remember, 5 x 0 = 0

      This is an IPO which the investment community should be falling over each other to learn about.
      After all, you wouldn't want to invest in it by accident, would you?

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    5. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      One of my coworkers has a internet business radio station that broadcasts over the net and in the San Francisco Bay Area. I told him about Linux One, and he did some follow-up research and flamed it on the air. Help get the word out. I'm trying to reach the financial sector, do your part, too! Wouldn't it be great to see us shut this guy down? I mean to pull one over on the SEC, and then have it fail miserably. Don't mess with Open Source!

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    6. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by Surazal · · Score: 1

      profits of anything up to 500% more than the company is making now
      Remember, 5 x 0 = 0

      Actually, their revenues are zero. They've already got expenses, so technically speaking their profits are in the negative (around $30,000 in the hole if I remember correctly) So:

      -30,000 * 5 = -150,000

      Now, those are profits to weep about.

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    7. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by bobalu · · Score: 1

      Too bad he can't spell defense.

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    8. Re:LinuxOne -- the case for the defence by drix · · Score: 2

      Idiot.

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  7. *bash* *bash* by Signal+11 · · Score: 1
    First off, this shouldn't be suprising anyone. These days people sue just because they're upset about X. Wife left you? Sue her. Got a drinking or gambling problem? Sue the state. Didn't like your employer's hair? Sue them.

    Comeon, LinuxOne is just trying to fend off bad press until they IPO - this just further validates that claim. I don't think RedHat or 3Com would bust down my door if I wrote a bad review about their distribution or NIC cards. They'd either laugh at me, or take the criticism seriously and work to improve their product (perhaps by sending me a beta of their next product so I can critique it prior to release).

    Now then, anyone wanna take bets on how fast LinuxOne will crash and burn? Even if you lose - you can sue the government. Takers? Anyone? :^)

    1. Re:*bash* *bash* by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I did not enjoy your post.

      You'll hear from my lawyers in the morning...



      But seriously, folks, I'd be real surprised if this IPO made any money. If you want to talk lawsuits, I think the real lawsuits might come after the IPO tanks. Don't underwriters have some responsibility to ensure that what they are underwriting isn't fraudulant?

      (Or am I just being niave?)

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    2. Re:*bash* *bash* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      These days people sue just because they're upset about X.

      I totaly disagree!

      1. No one gets upset about X (except when your setting it up and you don't know your frequencies).
      2. SuSE has release new servers for 3dfx.

      I would never sue X. :o)

  8. Mob action is not needed by Ground0 · · Score: 3

    A posse has to be organized not just thrown together. As LinuxOne could be a blemish to the OpenSource community, I think we do need to respond to the LinuxOne issue.
    But please, I beg people, an organized well thought out plan with good leadership should be the correct way to handle this instead of getting out the torches and pitchforks and storming Frankensteins castle.

  9. Well by Otto · · Score: 3

    I'll reserve my opinions about LinuxOne and fall back on Otto's Rule of Life #4:

    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

    (Note: this is not original, as explained by Otto's Rule of Life #2: "If you have to, steal it.")

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  10. Isn't this getting old??? by vanguard · · Score: 1

    CmdrTaco,

    Please stop posting this story. Anybody who buys this stock has not been paying attention to the financial sites or the open source sites. If you don't research your companies before you buy them you deserve what you get.

    Please stop running this story over and over again.

    Vanguard

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    1. Re:Isn't this getting old??? by segmond · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point! This is not about protecting dumb investors. This is about protecting the quality of Linux. If Linuxone goes IPO, they will thrash the quality Linux has, better to be safe than to be sorry. The word Linux stands for all things good, we don't want it to mean evil tomorrow.

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    2. Re:Isn't this getting old??? by Saxifrage · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The DVD hackers are not exactly doing what I'd call `trashing what good name Linux had in the marketplace.'

      The reason I say this is that despite the fact that there are a large number of us, not all of whom have the scruples necessary to function as citizens of any country besides Djazaharazakhstania (if anyone's from there, I'm sorry to offend them :P), I'd hardly say that we soil the reputation. In this same light I'd say that it's hard to accuse us of acting as the Free Software bullies; after all, there's free Windows software, but not all Free Software is Linux software and not all Linux software is Free Software. Note my capitalization.

      But back to the point. One of the draws, at least where I come from, to Linux is actually its rebellion-style status. -- If someone in, say, the BeOS world had done the DeCSS stuff, or maybe the Solaris or SCO realms, would you be screaming about how we're defiling the OS' reputation?

      The fact remains that for every bad apple, there about three hundred million good apples (every one of which is also a Michigan apple that tastes better than three hundred trillion cheap Chinese apples made into apple juice [eg Windows -- no flames, it's a valid economics analogy!], even if it's harder to find in the modern supermarket).

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  11. Disgusting by seandunn · · Score: 3
    I really have to raise my eyebrows at any company that releases a rather shoddy product, makes a lot of noise (read hype), and offers support, which they charge an arm and a leg for; and I'm not talking about MS.

    But seriously, after reading the previous poor reviews. of LinuxOne and this mans story I have to wonder if its just a bunch of MBAs, and their MSCE friend who "saw that Leenux thing" and the RedHat IPO, who thought "Linux=Money".

    This is a sad state of affairs, but I'm reminded of other fly by night companies that I have run across, such as one company who wanted to get content from a magazine that my company publishes. After finding out that they use a redundant array of iMACs as their web servers (no, I'm not kidding) we turned them down.

    The best way to kill these companies is just to ignore them, they only live on hype and MBAs who want to IPO real quick to make money. If no one buys their stock, they shrivel up and die after their initial investment dries up.

    1. Re:Disgusting by -cman- · · Score: 1
      The best way to kill these companies is just to ignore them, they only live on hype and MBAs who want to IPO real quick to make money. If no one buys their stock, they shrivel up and die after their initial investment dries up.

      I disagree. The best way to kill them is to expose them to the light. While Derek's methods were somewhat unconventional and his narrative is a bit weird, he does manage to raise and not get answers for some very fundamental questions.

      1. Where is the source code?
      2. What is up with Dr. Chio being on the board of Global Village? This just stinks to high heaven.
      3. Where are the Chinese and Japanese products, do they even have alpha builds to share with the community
      And so forth. I say beat on them until they cry, "Uncle!" or come clean. This is what the community needs; clear, insightful analysis and collective oversight. Saying let them go public and caveat emptor is irresponsible. And if LinuxOne is perpetuating a scam or fraud at any level, it makes those of us with some insight into their motives complicit in their actions.

      That's just my opinion. I could be Wrong.

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    2. Re:Disgusting by zeck · · Score: 1

      I say beat on them until they cry, "Uncle!" or come clean.
      But supposing they are genuine, are perpetrating no fraud, and have really done nothing particularly wrong? Sure, maybe their product stinks. So don't buy it! And maybe they've exagerated their claims a little bit, but I can name at least 5 toothpaste brands that get my teeth the whitest. Give them a chance before you beat them to death with suspicion.

  12. Let's tell all underwrites we can contact! by mjuarez · · Score: 2

    Let them try to sue us then... :)

    I believe all this nonsense will reach a point where all authorities will eventually see that it's useless trying to stop all of Slashdot mirroring cryptographic source code.

  13. This smells to high heaven by jd · · Score: 3
    The directors donate their stocks, piecemeal, to "charitable organisations" that they run, which no doubt get cashed in ASAP. Soon, the board of directors have liquidated their stocks, and are free to fly the coop. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do.

    Do I have hard evidence that this is their intent? No. Do I have any evidence at all? I have the evidence we've all got that LinuxOne is a rip-off. The RPM files speak for themselves, the documentation is a rip-off, the SEC filing is a clone of Red Hat's, there's nothing "value added" there at all, the ticker name is a blatant mis-use of the Linux name (and -may- fall afoul of Linus Torvald's trademark) and (as Bruce Perens has pointed out), some of their alleged financing has come from a corner store. Sorry, but most corner stores don't have $500,000 in the till, even if they had a till large enough.

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    1. Re:This smells to high heaven by wmorein · · Score: 1
      Note also that their underwriter has about as much legitimacy as they do. If you take a look at Capital West Securities' list of attempted IPOs, you'll see a pretty weak effort. Of the four registered IPOs:

      - Holloman was never priced (1.5 years after the initial docs were filed)
      - Lorecom was withdrawn
      - Talisman Enterprises came out at $5 and closed down 12% (not easy in this frothy market)
      - LinuxOne - we'll see

      Compare that to Goldman Sachs or CSFB (underwriters for Red Hat and VA Linux, respectively; note the "next page" links) and you'll see a slight difference in the legitimacy of the lead underwriter.

      Based on the above I just don't think that this deal is going to do much and might not even get out. Having said that, you never know what the magic incantation "Linux" can do in the markets (with a "China" thrown in for good measure).

  14. This press is not good for Linux by 348 · · Score: 3
    Derek- I am the lawyer for LinuxOne, Inc. I have read with disgust the lies you have been spreading over the internet recently regarding the company, its principals and products.

    This really upsets me. First off LinuxOne is not really the sort of positive culture we are looking to help promote Linux as an industrial strength OS, also with their history of "shadiness" it give the Linux community a black eye.

    Some say, any press is ggood press, but in this case I think Linux could do without the association with LinuxOne. With the statement above, (from a Hotmail account, feel the professionalism), the lawyer references lies which I would question which party is not being up front. The whole LinuxOne mess is going to dammage the Linux effort as a whole if it doesn't go away soon.

    We don't need firms with reputations as poor as LinuxOne waving the opensource flag.

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    1. Re:This press is not good for Linux by PigleT · · Score: 2

      Indeedie.

      Sounds simple to me.
      Claim to agree with the "demands" of this michael morrison creep, and then do nothing - after all, you'll have removed your "lies"...

      And no it does not constitute written demand at all either. Anyone can impersonate hotmail, and we *know* their security is non-existent anyway.

      Personally, I wouldn't have even bothered with the retraction type email; I don't see the point in sounding contrite over something of which I'm not guilty.

      I shall await LinuxOne's "lawyer"'s threats against me for this comment, with interest...

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  15. Very suspicious, on both sides! by Duxup · · Score: 3

    This whole LinuxOne deal has gone beyond shocking to the point where it's just weird. To me it seems there's allot more going on than just what we've heard. A lawyer writing from a Hotmail account just screams of a prank (and not a very good one at that). I'm also a bit confused by Derek Simkowiak's stated intent to write "to clear up the nasty reputation they've received on the Internet" since he never actually explains how he intended to do so. This just seems awfully questionable since some key info is also not provided (i.e. the name of the investment firm he wrote). I'll wait until I hear some independent info before I believe this one.
    However regarding LinuxOne, I wouldn't' be shocked if the whole LinuxOne thing turns out to be a bizarre prank or something more than just a ploy to release an IPO and make some bucks, it just seems that there is something else there. Not to say it shouldn't be watched closely.

    1. Re:Very suspicious, on both sides! by Danse · · Score: 2

      I'm also a bit confused by Derek Simkowiak's stated intent to write "to clear up the nasty reputation they've received on the Internet" since he never actually explains how he intended to do so.

      Well, I don't know whether this is an elaborate hoax or not, but if so, Derek's statements, at least, make sense. He's giving them the opportunity to assuage the Linux community's misgivings about the company by explicity asking the questions that everyone wants the answers to. This gives them the ability to respond and explain why they've done things the way they have. If they are legitimate, they should have decent explanations, even if they only say that they screwed up and explain how they will fix the matter. If they are not legitimate, they will continue to hide behind psuedo-legal bs and dodge questions as long as possible.

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    2. Re:Very suspicious, on both sides! by nft · · Score: 1

      To this, I can only reply, "no shit." : )

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    3. Re:Very suspicious, on both sides! by NoWhereMan · · Score: 1

      At least one side is logical. And if you review history and see all the people who became famous due to their discoveries, consider what it might be like to say you found value in LinuxOne ;-)

  16. Free LinuxOne OS and LinuxOne Lite for Students by aliebrah · · Score: 1
    Students can get a free copy of LinuxOne OS or LinuxOne Lite mailed to them for free (no S&H). Check out:

    http://www.linuxone.net/misc/students.ht ml

    Only one copy per student, and only the first 100 students to fill the form get it.

    1. Re:Free LinuxOne OS and LinuxOne Lite for Students by mistalinux · · Score: 1
      LinuxOne has had other "First 100 persons to sign up" offers. Of all of those who have signed up, nobody had received a copy.

      At Comdex 1999 in Vegas last year, I did not recall seeing LinuxOne, but aparantly they were there, becuase I brought back a LinuxOne CD. Perhaps if they are at any other large conventions, they can be confronted face to face about these issues.

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  17. Just for fun... by aav · · Score: 2

    Here are some interesting facts about LinuxOne and their distribution. Read them and see what you can conclude : 1. I've been trying to download a copy of this distribution for a couple of days at extremely different moments of the day (actually I was hammering on their site every half an hour). I have a very reliable connection to the internet (500kB/s to VAResearch, 70kB/s to SuSE's ftp, another 300kB/s to cdrom.com). Each end every attempt failed with a "there are too many users" mesage. 2. the only way of usage they support (at least in the web page) is from Windows. IMHO - why would I have (or want) to buy Windows in order to run Linux ? 3. Excerpt from their FAQ (hilarious I would say): Q: Can I acces the Internet ?Certainly. A : To access the Internet, return to Windows because the Lite version is built on top of Windows. As some would say : I rest my case.

    1. Re:Just for fun... by aliebrah · · Score: 1

      I'm getting 530 Too many users as well (and have been for a pretty long time). Could they be deliberately trying to stop people from getting their distribution? Like setting maxusers to 0 or something? :)

    2. Re:Just for fun... by BJH · · Score: 1


      You can actually get into their site (if you're very lucky), but it's incredibly slow (apparently a cable modem link, and we all know what the upstream speed is like for cable...), and they seem to have their maxusers set very low (2? 5? 10? Who knows?)

      In any case, they sure aren't making it easy to get in there.

    3. Re:Just for fun... by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's just slashdotted? And they don't have much bandwidth because they don't have the money, hence the IPO. Sounds feasible. I'm sure there's lots of /. that's dying to get their hands on this distro, if only so that they too can be men and LinuxOne bashers.

    4. Re:Just for fun... by SeanNi · · Score: 1

      I dunno... maybe I'm missing something here, but I was able to get through to their FTP site on the first try.

      Granted the links they provided on their website were wrong, but still...

      ftp://140.174.127.95/, no?
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  18. Just for fun... by aav · · Score: 1

    Here are some interesting facts about LinuxOne and their distribution. Read them and see what you can conclude : 1. I've been trying to download a copy of this distribution for a couple of days at extremely different moments of the day (actually I was hammering on their site every half an hour). I have a very reliable connection to the internet (500kB/s to VAResearch, 70kB/s to SuSE's ftp, another 300kB/s to cdrom.com). Each end every attempt failed with a "there are too many users" mesage. 2. the only way of usage they support (at least in the web page) is from Windows. IMHO - why would I have (or want) to buy Windows in order to run Linux ? 3. Excerpt from their FAQ (hilarious I would say): Q: Can I acces the Internet ?. A : Certainly. To access the Internet, return to Windows because the Lite version is built on top of Windows. As some would say : I rest my case.

  19. Ok lemme get this straight... by Merk · · Score: 3

    According to the warning letter, LinuxOne's lawyer uses a hotmail account. Sounds like a pretty prestigious law firm.

    The letter doesn't even look like a letter written by a lawyer. For example when does a lawyer call him/herself a lawyer and not an attorney? I, unfortunately, have received a "cease and decist" letter from a lawyer at one point, and this looks nothing like what I received. The one I received gave specific directions on what they wanted me to do, and legal specifics of what they were accusing me of doing. Maybe you poor folks who have been involved with the DeCSS stuff can comment on your legal letters? This one talks about "lies you have been spreading over the internet". Last I heard, lying on the 'net was legal.

    Btw, I'm a hot blonde, 6'2", 36-24-36... *grin*

    1. Re:Ok lemme get this straight... by anonymous+loser · · Score: 1

      Actually, in this case I believe the correct term should be slander, which _is_ illegal. Lying isn't illegal until it damages a person's or company's character or reputation.

    2. Re:Ok lemme get this straight... by evildogeye · · Score: 1
      Actually, in this case I believe the correct term should be slander, which _is_ illegal. Lying isn't illegal until it damages a person's or company's character or reputation.

      This is libel not slander. Slander is oral defamation, while libel is defamation in a permanent form. And you can be sued for libel even if it doesnt damage a person's character or reputation.

  20. Re:Writing Style is Important by -cman- · · Score: 1
    I can't blame the investment firm for being angry!


    Read it again Joe. The investment firm was interested in what he had to say. It was LinuxOne that was pissed off. Granted, he was not as diplomatic as he possibly should have been, but his points are valid nonetheless.

    We can't expect everyone in the community to be both master statesmen and master technologists now can we? I was satistfied that there were only a couple of spelling errors and the grammar was passable. :)
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  21. Re:Writing Style is Important by BJH · · Score: 1


    Read it again, bozo - he received the threatening mail from LinuxOne's lawyer, not from the investment firm.

    And to the moderator who gave the above post an "Insightful": try reading the article yourself before moderating, so you actually know what all these posts are talking about...

  22. OT, but by angelo · · Score: 1

    He started at 2, dropped one for "flamebait", gained 1 for "Interesting" and 2 for "Informative".

    He Is correct, however, the SEC should investigate this as a case of fraud; that is their duty.

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  23. www.linuxone.net by phee · · Score: 3

    Derek mentions in his letters to LinuxOne et al that telneting to www.linuxone.net resulted in a "welcome to Red Hat" type message. They've fixed that now (it claims "LinuxOne release 1.2" now) but they apparently don't even know how to hack the Apache code so that it too doesn't claim "Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux)".
    Try it yourself...

    "All truth passes through three stages: first, it is ridiculed; next it is violently attacked; finally, it is held to be self-evident."

    --

    1. Re:www.linuxone.net by sash · · Score: 1
      And, just by chance, it happens to use the same kernel version, and RedHat internal release number, that you find in RedHat 6.1:
      Kernel 2.2.12-2 on an i686

      And they don't even know how to administer a web server (left there with each and every port open)
      But it is true that they have a different FTPd (BeroFTPD instead of WuFTPD) :-)

  24. YATRC by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    Yet
    Another
    "This is
    Repetitive"
    Comment

    ;)

    1. Re:YATRC by JordanH · · Score: 1
      In Haiku:
      • Yet, another one A repetitive comment This is getting old.

      -Jordan Henderson
  25. A lawyer writing this???? C'm'on!!!! by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    Apparently LinuxOne can't even afford a real lawyer. Have you met one who would speak thusly?

  26. Software Applications by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 2

    What bothers me the most about the LinuxOne distrobution, is that they blatently *LIE* on their web page regarding the nature of their product. Over and over again, they claim to have developed 'LinuxOne OS', and how it includes all of the capabilities, etc..

    I *TRUELY* hope they end up with some software in their distro with a BSD licence, so someone can sue the pants off of the company..

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  27. 530 Message by shinji · · Score: 4

    Try this! That 530 message in not a real 530 message. They have posted it to fool you. FTP to
    140.174.127.95 (the site listed on their webpage).
    try Anonymous login. first you get back.
    530-There are too many users ...
    but next you get back a real 530 message
    530 Login Incorrect
    I think linuxone does not want anyone to download linuxone and make everyone think lots of people are downloading it

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    1. Re:530 Message by juniorbird · · Score: 2

      I did in fact get throough to their server and downloaded a couple of files. I'm at work, not near my Linux machine so I can't see if any of them are actually real files, but they seem to be out there.

      Virtually all the files in their Source directory seem to be from Mandrake, just as alleged... and none of the source seems to be for anything I haven't heard of before. Where's the value-added?

  28. Motley Fools Covered LinuxOne Also by mssymrvn · · Score: 4

    http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/2000/rule maker000106.htm

    Rob Landley didn't seem to have too many positive things to say about them. The article above is an interesting read. They go into a little more detail about the background of the founder(s).

  29. The real reason no one should invest in LinuxOne by hald · · Score: 1

    I posted this yesterday. Basically, we should be avoiding LinuxOne because of the differences from RH, VA, etc. not because of the similarities of their S-1 filing.
    Hal Duston

  30. Re:Writing Style is Important by ebbv · · Score: 1


    hellooo, mcfly,... the investment firm
    wasn't angry, the LinuxOne crooks were. if
    the creeps at LinuxOne get rich off of this
    scam i swear i'll move to Guam and live like
    a pygmie for the rest of my days.
    ...dave

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  31. That lawyer was fake. by papa248 · · Score: 1

    I have to agree with you on this one.. I can't possibly imagine that any legit law firm, or corporation for that matter, would use Hotmail as a corporate email system. I mean come on, how many people do you know have used an "anonymous" hotmail account to send a nasty email to someone you didn't like? Besides that, the "demand" for a retraction is awfully flaky, and to my understanding has no legal backing. Even still, a real attorney would certainly send this kind of order by mail, on company letterhead. Although, if this law firm is using Hotmail, they probably don't have letterhead. Some disgruntled or bored person probably saw a copy of the email at the investment firm and set that back out.

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  32. Re:lawyer's letter - by whitey07 · · Score: 1

    I looked up the lawyer (Michael Morrison) named in the demand letter in Martindale-Hubbell http://lawyers.martindale.com/marhub which is probably the best place to look up a lawyer to see if the lawyer is really a lawyer. I found a Micheal J. Morrison licensed in Nevada and a Michael J. T. Morrison licensed in New York. Who knows whether or not the guy who wrote the letter is really a lawyer? Maybe the lawyer will post to Slashdot - but only believe the post if the guy provides a bar license number that anyone can lookup at the appropriate state bar webpage. The whole situation is very weird. By the way I tried to download a copy of Linuxone and I got nothing! Ed

  33. The Linux community and business: oil and water? by InsomniacsDream · · Score: 3

    Not that I have anything against Linux and business, but the two don't really mix very very (at least in the traditional business model). I mean, business is all about competition, and Linux is all about cooperation. However, if Linux DOES succeed (in the marketplace), then it may very well change the way people think about business in general.

    One of the concepts that LinuxOne has apparently not managed to grasp yet is that you can't isolate yourself from the Linux community and still expect to succeed. This does work in the traditional business model where competition is the rule, but not in a community founded on the principles of cooperation and sharing ideas openly.

    I have no doubt that many investors will get burnt by LinuxOne and related scams, but that is just because they are ignorant of the 'way Linux works'. These investors probably deserve to lose their money because they did not spend the time researching the company's credentials. When they lose their money, however, they will learn a valuable but harsh lesson.

  34. This sounds a bit awful... by seebs · · Score: 3

    Why would a potential underwriter share the information about the complaint *with the company*? If I'd given him permission to share my name with colleagues, I would *NOT* expect him to share it with the company under suspicion, but rather, with other people who might be affected if the suspicions were correct.

    Am I just crazy?

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    1. Re:This sounds a bit awful... by bero-rh · · Score: 2

      Why would a potential underwriter share the information about the complaint with the company?

      To get their view on it?
      I'd do that (without mentioning his name though).
      It's always best to get the opinion from both sides, and maybe some neutral parties, before making a decision.

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  35. check them out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    It'd be nice if someone on their lunch break would drive over and check out:

    LinuxOne Worldwide Headquarters
    201 San Antonio Circle, C250
    Mountain View, CA 94040
    Phone: (650) 948-6201
    Fax: (650) 948-2932
    Email: robert@linuxone.net
    URL: http://www.linuxone.net/

    Here's a map.

    1. Re:check them out by Robert+S+Gormley · · Score: 2

      Pacific Micro is one of the CEO's companies, supposedly the one that was to do the Linux-Mac stuff... Apparently even won a contract from "Steve Jobs" (quotes because wouldn't you win it from Apple??)

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  36. Re:Of course it is!!!! by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    Yeehaw! Let's start a geek militia and kick those Brits with their damn "government" bs, out of here. We're Americans...we don't need no steenkin' gover-ment!

    (bonk)

    Jazilla.org - the Java Mozilla

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  37. Re:Of course it is!!!! by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    Yeehaw! Let's start a geek militia and kick those Brits with their damn "government" bs, out of here. We're Americans...we don't need no steenkin' gover-ment!



    (bonk)

    Jazilla.org - the Java Mozilla

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    It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
  38. Re:LinuxOne is good for Linux by Overfiend · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, moderate down the parent post just because it is a little different than the normal Slashdot opinion.

    Oh, come on, this has to be a troll.

    Maybe if you all pulled your heads out of Richard Stallman's dirty asshole you'd have a more rational worldview.

    What a load of crap... I'm out of here.

    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...on second thought, do. :)

    Only time will tell if Mr. Chiou's attempt to sucker the gaijin pans out...

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  39. Order now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    As recommended by yhaoo.com, LinuxOne is now available for online ordering!

    Check out http://gabriel.linuxopen. com/linuxone/ordering/order.html. What, it's not a secure server? Why worry about your credit card number getting sniffed in the clear, when you are already transmitting it directly to theives?

  40. Requires Student ID? by Zalini · · Score: 1

    I find it somewhat interesting that they want your Student ID number in order to get the free CD shipped to you. Are they actually going to call up the school and check the enrollment records?

    And I am not going to be giving out my SSN (Purdue Student ID = Social Security Number) to LinuxOne!

    1. Re:Requires Student ID? by phil+reed · · Score: 2
      And I am not going to be giving out my SSN (Purdue Student ID = Social Security Number) to LinuxOne!

      Use 078-05-1120. This was a number printed on millions of demonstration billfold inserts. The Social Security Administration has retired it permenantly. For more info, look here.


      ...phil

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  41. So... Look him up! (Re:lawyer's letter) by dbc · · Score: 1

    There is a directory called the "Martindale-Hubble" (sp?) that lists law firms large and small in the US. If a lawyer needs to sue someone (or defend a suit) in a state where they are not licensed to practice, this is how they find a someone with a ticket. If he's real, he's in there. So find someone that has one of these and look him up (or not...)

  42. Interesting Comments by tsx · · Score: 1

    It interests me that there are several Anonymous Coward comments that are trashing someone as a "60 minutes wannabe," etc. when in reality he was asking valid questions. After reading some of the material on the main story link, I'd be nervous about buying into LinuxOne. Frankly the close ties that the CEO has to Global whatver (the company he donated 50% of his stock to) just seems a little too odd for my tastes. And the writer was right on when asking things like about stock freezes for that other company. I looked at the site for LinuxOne a while ago, and wasn't to impressed. After hearing all of this stuff being tossed around, I think that LinuxOne is not on the up and up. What do you guys think given the recent deveopments? That would be an interesting poll ;)

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  43. Meta Tags by CMiYC · · Score: 1

    These are the keywords from the meta tag of one of their pages..

    meta name="keywords" content="Linux, LinuxOne, kernel, S.O., Distribution, Labs, Red Hat, Redhat, Caldera, OpenLinux, SuSE, S.u.s.e., applixware, news, resources, Operating, System, OS, KDE, GNOME, GNU, Server, Network, application, Penguin, Onestop, Free, Download, commerical, support"

    Interesting that they'd want someone searching for Red Hat or RedHat to come to their site...

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    1. Re:Meta Tags by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      I think that's a common trick - put competitor's names in the meta tags.

  44. Cashing in on LinuxOne the right way. by segmond · · Score: 3

    I smell lots of $$$. How? First of all, it took these guys age to figure out that they had to edit /etc/issue to make their red hat box say linuxone whatever. I could have cashed in on this, by telling them how, and having them pay me. As everyone knows, their webserver still says redhat, we can cash in on this too. Hey, how about we modify apache for you to say linux one for only $500. They kludged the ftp server to give message that the server is full. But it is obvious, heh, we can hack your ftp fake message to appear more authentic for only $5000. These guys are porting windows programs to linux and stuff, they said so. In order to do this, they need developers, Heh, why don't we code for them. I will port notepad.exe and calc.exe, I will leave clock.exe and paintbrush.exe for you. This is money making opportunity people!


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    1. Re:Cashing in on LinuxOne the right way. by Chazman · · Score: 1
      Another option: short the stock. While I'll be just as saddened as the rest of you by the press Linux will get when LinuxOne's IPO sinks like a rock and never comes back, at least we can cash in on their misfortune, and that of the poor hapless fools who bought the stock. What will it tell Wall Street if, from the very first day of trading, over 25% of LinuxOne's publicly traded shares are shorted? It'll say that LinuxOne is a sham and we expect them to tank. Such messages tend to be self-fulfilling prophecies in the marketplace, even when not true from the start.

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      -----Chaz
  45. Let's move on already.. by pbk105 · · Score: 2

    The same rules that make Linux free and available to people who will promote it are the same rules that allow people to exploit it. Is it wrong? It sure is. But there will *always* be people who exploit a good thing for their own gain. Let the players take care of LinuxOne and let us move on already. There's too much good stuff going on with Linux to waste energy swatting away the flies.

    Paul

    1. Re:Let's move on already.. by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1
      OK - I agree let's not waste too much energy screaming about it, but /. and the rest of the Linux community should continue to publicly decry LinuxOne as being outside the respected community until mainstream media has recognized the fact.

      One of the great things about Linux and OS is the community/peer review and scrutiny. We should make it clear that just because LinuxOne wants to do an IPO it does not represent the same quality of products and services available in other corners of the Linux world so that those who seek to damage the growing reputation of Linux don't influence those who don't know any better than to listen.

  46. Fun with nmap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Although it appears LinuxOne has figured out how to change the /etc/issue.net from saying "RedHat" to saying "LinuxOne" they still don't know how to secure a system:


    nmap -sS -O www.linuxone.net


    Starting nmap V. 2.12 by Fyodor (fyodor@dhp.com, www.insecure.org/nmap/)

    Interesting ports on (140.174.127.98):

    Port State Protocol Service

    21 open tcp ftp

    23 open tcp telnet

    25 open tcp smtp

    53 filtered tcp domain

    80 open tcp http

    98 open tcp linuxconf

    110 open tcp pop-3

    111 open tcp sunrpc

    113 open tcp auth

    515 open tcp printer

    974 open tcp unknown

    993 open tcp simap

    998 open tcp busboy

    1003 open tcp unknown

    1024 open tcp unknown

    1025 open tcp listen

    6000 open tcp X11


    TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments

    Difficulty=2275189 (Good luck!)

    Boy that looks like crap....

  47. Re:Of course it is!!!! by um...+Lucas · · Score: 2

    Actually, I agree with Alan. With all the bickering using words such as "Fraud", "IPO, etc, the SEC really is the only organization that has a possibility of affecting the outcome of this, whichever way it goes.

    For one, THERE ISN'T A MATTER BETWEEN LINUXONE, ITS INVESTORS AND COMPETITORS. The investors don't seem to have any problems, as they've given their money. They can divest themselves at anytime. Their competitors don't seem to have any problems. Is there a link on Redhat's homepage that says "Go here to see how we feel about LinuxOne?" No. If (and I'll only say if) LinuxOne is as half-assed as everyone here hopes they are, then their competitors have nothing to fear... They can sit quietly, smirk, and laugh at people who get burned.

    This is an issue between the Linux community that does not want to see LinuxOne IPO and no one else. LinuxOne seemed to have been looking the other way until they finally got egged on. I've said it before I'll say it again. The GPL allows what they're doing. That's why I don't particularly like that license, but apparently all of you did, and this is exactly what it gets you. But you are all supposed to be coding for the joy of coding and not care about such things as money...

    I believe in all that American stuff, like "innocent until proven guilty", etc, and feel that they should be allowed to proceed. Sure, they can have their IPO... maybe they'll raise another $100 million on a second round offering. And maybe they'll do something that hadn't been done before. They haven't violated the GPL... They may seem a little bit shady, but give them a chance.

  48. The Lawyer exists! Enough Already! by IrishLeo · · Score: 5

    A quick search from www.adanet.org nets:

    MICHAEL J. MORRISON
    1995 Ridgeview Dr.
    Reno, Nevada
    (Washoe County)

    ADMITTED: 1976

    LAW-SCHOOL: McGeorge School of Law (J.D.)

    COLLEGE: United States Air Force Academy (B.S.)

    BORN: 1945

    ISLN: 902352344

    The IPO was filed in Nevada was it not? Seems to me that this could be a legit lawyer.

    URL: Abanet link to Mr. Morrison's Info


    Also of interest is the Business Address cited in the LinuxOne S-1/A:

    BUSINESS ADDRESS:
    STREET1: 1495 RIDGEVIEW DR
    STREET2: SUITE 220
    CITY: RENO
    STATE: NV
    ZIP: 89509
    PHONE: 7758276300


    URL: FreeEDGAR S-1/A Filing for LinuxOne, Inc.

    Conclusion. This e-mail was most likely sent by a real lawyer working for LinuxOne. Unless, of course, you want to get really paranoid and say that they saw the name on the building while renting their fake business office and decided to steal it for harassing honest, hardworking netizens...

    Read the S-1/A a little further down and find:

    With Copies To:

    Michael J. Morrison, Esq.
    1495 Ridgeview Drive, Suite 220
    Reno, Nevada 89509
    Telephone: (775) 827-6300

    My guess is they had a real lawyer involved with the filing of their IPO material.

    Nuf Said...

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    1. Re:The Lawyer exists! Enough Already! by ericfitz · · Score: 1

      Here's the link to both the original S-1 and the S-1/A amended form.

      According to the forms, the underwriter is:

      CAPITAL WEST SECURITIES, INC.
      One Leadership Square, Suite 200
      211 North Robinson
      Oklahoma City, OK. 73102
      Telephone: (405) 235-5728

  49. LinuxOne FTP Server...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Their web page lists their FTP server as residing at IP 140.174.127.95.. However, if you finger ftp.linuxone.net, it says the IP is 216.101.248.93... Four directories, /bin, /etc, /lib, and /pub. /lib is the only one with any files in it. Netcraft reports no information on this ftp box, as port 80 is shut off.

  50. Whose Jurisdiction is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My honest opinnion is that if they are claiming to have a product that does not exist, then they can be screwed legally. I'm wondering however if its the FBI or the SEC's jurisdiction over the matter.

  51. Does anyone else find this incredibly funny? by fence · · Score: 1

    The whole situation just seems so asinine.

    "530-There are too many users. Please try to download at a later time. Thank You."

    BTW, I'm looking for gullible investors for my latest project-->LinuxToo

    LinuxToo is a company that thrives on people who say "you run linux? me too!"

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  52. Humor-challenged. by phil+reed · · Score: 2

    Uh, read it again. He was pulling your leg so hard it came off in his hands.


    ...phil

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  53. More interesting... by LinuxTek · · Score: 2

    They seem to be working on at least modifying some of the messages for the default installation of Apache:

    http://140.174.127.44/

    Another thing. Mr. Chiou is using Windoze, acording to queso. (How did I found out the IP address for Mr. Chiou's computer? It's a simple matter of searching thru all the records for their DNS server, which btw are a very few)

    I would thought that a pre-IPO company would have thousands of computers (well, hundred maybe) available for testing, programming, sales, management, etc. But the DNS only shows 25 records.

    Seeya!

    --
    Signatures are supposed to be funny?
  54. Did LinuxOne Lie About Red Hat? by cburley · · Score: 4
    A lot of people forget than [sic] a large number of programmers were promised stock by Red Hat and never received any.

    That quote comes from the 5 Jan 2000 10:01:22 -0800 email Robert Philips wrote to Derek.

    Being a recipient of the famous email Red Hat sent out to contributors to invite them to participate in the RHAT IPO, I don't recall any promise made that we would actually receive stock.

    Can anyone provide actual evidence of such a promise, or is this just a case of Mr. Philips inflating his rhetoric to make Red Hat look bad (and, therefore, LinuxOne look better by comparison)?

    Note that this could be considered "splitting hairs" by some -- I'm distinguishing Red Hat offering contributors the opportunity to purchase shares from an actual promise that they would receive shares. There's no need to accuse Red Hat of the latter, which is what Mr. Philips appears to have done, if all they did was the former. (It's like the distinction between right to free speech and the right to be heard -- the former is not equivalent to the latter.)

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  55. Actually the 530 message IS legitimate. by bero-rh · · Score: 5

    That 530 message is not a real 530 message. They have posted it to fool you. [...] first you get back: 530-There are too many users ... but next you get back a real 530 message 530 Login incorrect

    Which is just what the ftp server they're using does when there are too many users.
    It first send some 530-Whatever-the-admin-puts, then a 530 Login incorrect.
    This is perfectly valid according to the RFCs, as long as all but the last line have a "-" after the 530.

    I wrote the server program they're using, so rest assured I know how it behaves.

    It's entirely possible, though, that they set a limit of 1 user and they have that one permitted connection opened for themselves - I can't get in either.

    --
    This message is provided under the terms outlined at http://www.bero.org/terms.html
  56. Typical Hong Kong business style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It Looks like Mr. Wun C. Chiou is working hard on changing California business tactics into Hong Kong business style.
    One IPO at the time.

    Check this for more info: http://www.smu.edu/~mbonilla/stories/misc/governme ntcows.html

  57. There are worse things to be than a barefaced liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I challenge you to demonstrate that this exchange of words ever happened.

    It did happen, but only inside my head.

    I have no doubt that you have provided us a patent fabrication.

    You are absolutely right, your deductive prowess amazes us all.

    You are a shameless asshole with your own agenda of fraud to submit such a post.

    You, on the other hand, are unable to spot the output of the Dilbert Zone's Performance Review Generator, despite there being at least three posts in this thread which correctly identified my original post as an almost-funny parody.

    Gawd, slashdot likes to think of itself as a place for intelligent people, but is it? As a longtime resident of "trolltalk", I've recently taken to posting the most extraordinary rubbish on threads, and you can guarantee that at least one person (usually more) will be taken in. This wasn't even meant to be a troll, just a joke, but it ended up pulling in at least five sincere responses (including two rather angry ones -- how smart you all must feel)

    Particular kudos must go to the moderators who scored (4, Funny) to a line-by-line exegesis of a joke which only received (3, Funny), albeit that it also received (1, Interesting) from another goat.

    Do yourselves a favour, lads. Don't ever invest, in anything. Or do me a favour and check out my IPO Prospectus for the Brooklyn Bridge.

    jsm

  58. Re:He Should Mind His Business Next Time by Yax-Pak · · Score: 1

    Bull. In the US (where this company is planning to IPO) fraud is a crime.

  59. Dr Chouia's Miracle Snake oil by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2
    Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, available now and for a limited time, I present you Dr Chouia's miracle cure for what ails you!

    Want to run Wintel programs on your Mac?

    Want to run Wintel programs on your Wintel box?

    It'll do that and more! It runs Linux programs on Wintel too! It cures bad breath, athletes foot, bad grades, hair loss and the common cold!

    It invisibly translates Chinese to Japanese to English! It improves your sex life!

    And, as an added feature, at no extra charge to you, we'll pipe /dev/null to \Windows\temp just in case you really wanted that output and have a little extra disk space!

    But act fast, because this offer is only good for the next 30 days, or as long as we are in town!

    --
    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
  60. Counterpoint: we need the story to break open! by hardcorejon · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that the only way to truly expose the facts on LinuxOne is for this story to break in the mainstream media.

    It may be a blemish on Linux, but if we make sure the story covers the strong scepticism to LinuxOne found in the Linux Community, I think we can turn this into Good Thing: The message is that the Linux Community, by virtue of its openness, ensures a safer world (insert warm fuzzy here).

    Any takers? Come on, /. and Andover -- get this story on 60 Minutes!

    - jonathan.

  61. Re:Of course it is!!!! by techwatcher · · Score: 1
    In the good old days of computing, those of us who knew what we were doing went out of our way -- sometimes WAY, WAY out of our way -- to help what this community might call "newbies." We who understood the terminology, and were thus competent to evaluate possibly fraudulent claims, debunked outrageous computer salesmen, steered users away from buggy or more-than-usually dysfunctional software, and otherwise protected the innocent (i.e., ignorant) from the dangers to their pocketbooks.

    Now, although many of you seem not to know this, most lawyers, investors, and other non-geeks (including teachers and ordinary folks) STILL know practically nothing about computers/software/OS's/Internet -- or any other "hi-tech" stuff. I am not at all surprised a "real" lawyer is using Hotmail, for example... take a look at most lawyers' sites and they are still basically poorly designed 'brochures'... doctors are equally ignorant/incompetent in this arena, which is why so many patients have taken to carrying along the latest from Medline to their appointments. (Or perhaps doctors are just too busy to keep up with new discoveries?)

    Some of the folks burned if this apparently bogus company -- which is at a minimum violating the generous license which permits its own existence -- would also be "innocents," regardless of their expertise in other matters. I think we should still continue to regard our own expertise as entailing a duty to protect and assist the innocent. (Btw, being able to read a balance sheet and judge a business plan has never implied competence at the actual "business" of the company being evaluated.) Thus, I believe those of us who have information about scams should in fact come forward in situations such as this; however, the proper entity to notify may not be the SEC, but a state or federal Attorney General, since fraud is a criminal, not civil, matter.

  62. Re:Good call by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

    Nothing sent through a Hotmail account could remotely be considered a legal document. I would have ignored this particular communication; acknowledging. And I would NEVER communicate with a lawyer without retaining one of my own; that struck me as particularly suicidal.

  63. "LinuxOne Opens Offices in Taiwan" by damyan · · Score: 1

    From http://www.linuxone.net/news/press/press14.html

    It seems they have an office in Taiwan. The web address is http://www.LinuxOneTaiwan.com

    AFAIK there is no such site.

    $whois linuxonetaiwan.com
    [rs.internic.net]



    Domain Name: LINUXONETAIWAN.COM
    Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
    Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
    Name Server: RINOA.LINUXONE.NET
    Name Server: DCAT.LINUXOPEN.COM
    Updated Date: 12-jan-2000


    Oh yeah, try going to http://rinoa.linuxone.net

    I hope LinuxOne doesn't set my default Apache up with that page (check out the source of the logos).

    To be redundant, these people are as suspicious as you can get.

    1. Re:"LinuxOne Opens Offices in Taiwan" by MadAhab · · Score: 1
      At http://rinoa.linuxone.net:

      This version of Apache comes with PHP3 modules and its documentation.

      Try it, it's 404. Doh.

      --
      Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
    2. Re:"LinuxOne Opens Offices in Taiwan" by peh · · Score: 1

      The domain is registered... As InterNic tells you, you must use NetworkSolutions' (the dot commie people) whois-server: mycroft:~$ whois -h whois.networksolutions.com linuxonetaiwan.com The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Registrant: LinuxOne, Inc. (LINUXONETAIWAN-DOM) 201 San Antonio Circle C250 Mountain View, CA 94040 US Domain Name: LINUXONETAIWAN.COM Administrative Contact: Network Engineer (NE1172-ORG) admin@LINUXONE.NET 650-948-6201 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Dr. Wun Chiou (DWC3-ORG) wchiou@LINUXONE.NET 415-948-6201 Fax- 415-948-6296 Billing Contact: Dr. Wun Chiou (DWC3-ORG) wchiou@LINUXONE.NET 415-948-6201 Fax- 415-948-6296 Record last updated on 12-Jan-2000. Record created on 12-Jan-2000. Database last updated on 25-Jan-2000 14:44:20 EST. Domain servers in listed order: DCAT.LINUXOPEN.COM 140.174.127.2 RINOA.LINUXONE.NET 216.101.248.91

    3. Re:"LinuxOne Opens Offices in Taiwan" by peh · · Score: 1

      Whoops... I fscked up the formatting on that one. Sorry about that. Anyway, try it out yourself:

      whois -h whois.networksolutions.com linuxonetaiwan.net

    4. Re:"LinuxOne Opens Offices in Taiwan" by damyan · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the fact that the domain isn't registered; its the fact that the website doesn't exist! Leads me to suspect that the Taiwan operation doesn't exist except maybe on paper.

  64. Fraud by johnos · · Score: 1

    I used to think that LinuxOne was a bunch of people out for a fast buck. Now I think it is a fraud. The Linux community has a duty to expose this fraud. At least some of you must be US Citizens :). Why don't you do your civic duty and complain to the SEC, detailing some of the shenanegans LinuxOne has been up to. Like a non-existent product for download, and the share transfer. I believe that once they have filed for an IPO, these type of things become securities fraud and punishable.

    And please leave MBAs out of it. I am an MBA, and an employee of a startup (not a Linux startup). Hard as it may be to believe, some MBAs are capable of running Linux. Some even like it because it is a great operating system rather than because it is a potential gravy train.

    And another thing, I know a lot of MBAs and none of them are stupid enough to try the kind of things LinuxOne is up to. Puhleeez. This is a scheme cooked up by amateurs, not professionals with graduate degrees in business (or obviously Computer Science either).

  65. Oh my God, they branded Tux!! by ripcrd · · Score: 2

    Look, some jerk-weed put a brand right on his chest. He looks like he's owned like a horse or cow, instead of the free-wheeling, herring-eating flightless bird I once knew.
    At least they got a better web designer for their new page. It doesn't look like a 5 yr old designed it anymore.

    --
    --Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot.
    1. Re:Oh my God, they branded Tux!! by Jakenuts · · Score: 1

      I nearly puked on my keyboard when I saw the seared red scar on his belly. What bastards.

  66. The lawyer letter, and company, look bogus by Animats · · Score: 2
    What's wrong with this picture?
    • Mailed from a Hotmail account.
    • No contact information, phone, or address for the lawyer.
    • There is no such thing as "civil prosecution". There's criminal prosecution and civil litigation.
    So it's probably a bluff.

    I just ran a Dun and Bradstreet report on LinuxOne. I highly recommend this to investors.
    As of January 10, 2000, LinuxOne has 10 employees, including the three officers, and 2500 square feet of rented office space. This is way too early for a full-scale IPO. Usually, at this stage, you go for venture capital funding. Or you make some profits and reinvest. They don't claim to have any unique intellectual property that makes them valuable; they're a me-too company. This is not good.

    I've received threats twice in the past when I exposed various scams. My usual response is "I am represented by (name of attorney). Send them the paperwork." Nobody ever did, although one bozo made a big deal of calling me up to ask for my attorney's name and address.

    Advice to people who expose scams: follow the Associated Press Libel Manual, buy a liability umbrella policy, and don't worry too much. The last thing most scammers want is a real libel suit, because you get to do discovery on them, examine their records, and question their people, creating a public record of the inner details of the scam.

    1. Re:The lawyer letter, and company, look bogus by rlb · · Score: 1
      I am sorry that the email address is such a problem. Mr. Morrison was under this mistaken impression, probably that who he used for his email was his own damn business. Also, he had this idea that it should be easy to access his email anywhere in the world.

      But be of good cheer, I've suggested he look into another provider just to reduce the noise level.

      r.b.

    2. Re:The lawyer letter, and company, look bogus by paul.dunne · · Score: 2

      "The Associated Press Libel Manual" -- have you got a link for that, or a source, or an ISBN? Sounds like it could be very useful. Lord knows I don't generally have much time for Katz, but his ranting about "corporatism" does have a kernel of truth: it's hard for the individual to stand up to big corporations on such matters, and often knowing the law can help a great deal.

    3. Re:The lawyer letter, and company, look bogus by Animats · · Score: 2
      Per request, here's the amazon.com link for The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual.

      That book is US-oriented; British law, for example, is quite different. In the US, generally anything you say which is either factually accurate or is obviously an opinion is safe from libel claims. You can go further than that under US law; read the book if you want to act like Rush Limbaugh.

  67. linuxone topic of userfriendly by _martini_ · · Score: 1

    you all did read the user friendly they had around christmas, didn't you?

    go read it for a good laugh.
    Sunday, 12-26-1999

  68. Signal 11 naked and petrified by sig_sig · · Score: 1

    Visit the Signal 11 Shrine to see Signal 11 naked and petrified.

  69. finally logged in to their FTP by roadtrip · · Score: 1

    ncftp /pub/LinuxOne/Source > pls
    AfterStep-1.7.90-4mdk.src.rpm
    AnotherLevel-0.9-2mdk.src.rpm
    BeroFTPD-1.3.4-1mdk.src.rpm
    BeroList-2.5.9-1mdk.src.rpm
    ElectricFence-2.1-2mdk.src.rpm
    GXedit-1.23-2mdk.src.rpm
    IglooFTP-0.6.1-5mdk.src.rpm
    ImageMagick-4.2.3-5mdk.src.rpm
    MAKEDEV-2.5-2mdk.src.rpm
    MandrakeUpdate-6.0-5mdk.src.rpm
    Mesa-3.0-2mdk.src.rpm
    ORBit-0.4.3-2mdk.src.rpm
    SVGATextMode-1.8-5mdk.src.rpm
    SysVinit-2.76-3mdk.src.rpm
    TRANS.TBL
    TiMidity++-2.0.2-2mdk.src.rpm
    WMRack-1.0b5-3mdk.src.rpm
    WindowMaker-0.52.0-4mdk.src.rpm
    X11R6-contrib-3.3.2-7mdk.src.rpm
    XFree86-3.3.3.1-59.src.rpm
    XFree86-ISO8859-2-1.0-9mdk.src.rpm
    XFree86-ISO8859-9-2.1.2-10mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    Xaw3d-1.3-2mdk.src.rpm
    Xconfigurator-4.2.3-1.src.rpm
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    bash1-1.14.7-14mdk.src.rpm
    bc-1.05a-5mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    bin86-0.4-8mdk.src.rpm
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    compat-binutils-5.2-2.9.1.0.23.1.src.rpm
    compat-libs-5.2-2mdk.src.rpm
    comsat-0.10-3mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    console-tools-19990302-8mdk.src.rpm
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    dosemu-0.99.10-5mdk.src.rpm
    dump-0.4b4-8mdk.src.rpm
    e2fsprogs-1.14-5mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    eMusic-DR0.9-1mdk.src.rpm
    ed-0.2-14mdk.src.rpm
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    file-3.26-5mdk.src.rpm
    filesystem-1.3.4-6mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    --More--
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    gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-2mdk.src.rpm
    gnome-utils-1.0.1-6mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
    gnome-utils-1.0.1-6mdk.src.rpm
    gnomehack-1.0.1-5mdk.src.rpm
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    gv-3.5.8-8mdk.src.rpm
    gzip-1.2.4-15mdk.src.rpm
    --More--
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    hdparm-3.5-5mdk.src.rpm
    helptool-2.4-8mdk.src.rpm
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    isicom-1.0-2mdk.src.rpm
    --More--

    isicom-1.0-2mdk.src.rpm
    ispell-3.1.20-6mdk.src.rpm
    jed-0.98.7-3mdk.src.rpm
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    kdenetwork-1.1.1final-3mdk.src.rpm
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    kdeutils-1.1.1pre1-6mdk.src.rpm
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    kdpms-0.2-6mdk.src.rpm
    kernel-2.2.12-2.src.rpm
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    ncftp /pub/LinuxOne/Source >

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    (insert witty quote here)
    1. Re:finally logged in to their FTP by roadtrip · · Score: 1

      Sorry bout the spam of the previous post, but that's the listing of the /pub/LinuxOne/Source directory on their FTP site. I'm not familiar with my RPM nomenclature, but aren't *mdk.src.rpm RPM sourcefiles from Linux-Mandrake? On another note, I noticed that they were using BeroFTPD 1.3.4 I wonder if they keep up to date with their security patches? (insert witty quote here)

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    2. Re:finally logged in to their FTP by rlb · · Score: 1

      The net guys were happy we've got the FTP problems worked out. r.b.

  70. Call me by rlb · · Score: 1

    Hi Cmdr Taco, please give me a call. Check your email for the number. Cheers, and see everyone at our LinuxWorld booth. Richard Bottoms Dir. Business Development LinuxOne

  71. Re:Let's hear him.... by rlb · · Score: 1

    I've asked Cmdr Taco to give me a call. Richard Bottoms Dir. Business Development LinuxOne

  72. Re:Mob action is not needed (OT) by Otto · · Score: 1

    A posse has to be organized not just thrown together.

    Did anyone besides me think of that Far Side cartoon where there's a pile of horses and people lying in the street of a western town, with a sherriff telling his deputy, "Damnit, Jenkins, you can't just throw a posse together, you have to organize!"

    Okay, maybe it's just me. :-)
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  73. And the sources are here... by SeanNi · · Score: 1

    I haven't bothered trying to download any of them, but this directory is full of src.rpms...

    ftp://140.174.127.95/LinuxOne/Source/
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    1. Re:And the sources are here... by Mr.+Piccolo · · Score: 2

      Wrong.

      Try ftp://140.174.127.95/pub/LinuxOne/Source/.

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  74. Oh wow! A LinuxOne employee! by DragoonAK · · Score: 2
    So please explain, then. Why the run-around, the legal threat, the impossibly low user level for the FTP, the questionable stock practices, the general lack of fulfillment of grandiose promises?

    As it is, anyone who actually thinks your company is anything other than a fraud is a gullible moron. Prove me wrong. I'd love it, actually, to see a company put serious improvements (hopefully GPLd) into Linux, but all proof points to nothing ever coming out of LinuxOne except lawsuits.

  75. I doubt that would work... by SeanNi · · Score: 1

    Somehow, I doubt that would work very well. Given the format of the Slashdot interviews, they only get useful information out of someone who is willing to honestly answer all the questions posed to them.

    So far, the people at L1 have been rather evasive about answering any hard-hitting questions (as evidenced by the very article we are responding to). So what's to stop them from (assuming they were even to agree to the interview in the first place) giving poor- or non-answers to any questions?

    However, on a slightly more encouraging note, check out the sibling comment to this one, by a "Lester Bottoms". He claims to be the "Director of Business Development" for Linux One. There is no proof for this, however I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and believe him until I see evidence otherwise.

    I say "encouraging" because it indicates that someone from L1 at least reads slashdot.

    Now, the interesting thing is that this guy seems more interested in talking to Rob Malda (doesn't even seem to know his name... just calls him "CmdrTaco") than responding to any of the questions posed on the website.

    This is particularly discouraging, since the only reason (aside from wanting to to an interview) that I can think of for this is that he wants to coerce Rob to stop running stories on L1. Hmmmm...

    Richard, if there is a different reason, please let us know!

    However, if this guy is legit, maybe we'll be able to get some answers out of him. Too bad there's no email address -- Hotmail or not -- attached to his account...
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    - Sean

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  76. Daniel Morales by Subwolf · · Score: 1
    Does anybody have any kind of background on this guy?
    Maybe its just a coincidence, but a Daniel Morales was CEO of @bigger.net. It was a San Jose based isp. One of the first free service providers. I used to work there. The company died back in 1998 do to some... interesting book work. It was believed (by other executive officers, employees and board members) that Daniel, with the help of his friends (the CFO and another officer, both of which he hired himself) pocketed some cash, tanking the company.

    From what I understand, the Daniel Morales of bigger.net was the former CEO of Opus Communications as well. Does anybody have any information on whether or not this is the same guy? Or is it just a coincidence, two people with the same name, in the same area, in questionable businesses?

  77. Re:Of course it is!!!! by Saxifrage · · Score: 1

    Well said. The poor people that will have attempted to go for a product -- or to simply invest in a new company -- when/if LinuxOne gets its IPO, are the innocents, and they are going to get sneered down at by those of us in the More Fortress-like Position of knowing the technology.

    That's not really fair to them, is it?

    OK, besides that point, there's another point that I wanted to make. We actually don't have a responsibility, necessarily, to protect them; it's actually a MORAL obligation, instead. I'm nitpicking, I know, but it's an important hair-split and someone has to make it. Some of us will be so amazed that they even selected LinuxOne at all that they will be recalcitrant to help out; so on the whole, it will become less `obligation' and more `moral duty.'

    Lastly, to all of you who believe that getting the SEC or anyone else is a use of government power that is unnecessary in the United States -- I have to ask you a simple question. "Did you say the same thing when the government went after Microsoft? Or do you do this in the same light as Woodrow Wilson, who once said (I'm paraphrasing here), `Never get involved when your enemies are destroying themselves.' I personally support the government's actions in both -- they are, after all, charged with the protection of the citizens' rights, and if the government does not, then as John Locke envisioned in his _Second Treatise on Government_, the people must rebel. Because their fundamental rights are not being protected.

    Email me at: wesleym@teleport.com.

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  78. Anti-Linux One Web Site by Mavericks · · Score: 1

    How about an anti-linux one website? Everyone can invest a dollar and we'll hire a real law firm to represent people like Derek (people would want the truth).

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    --- Alex Chang President, Inforcer Labs
  79. Bulls**tOne by Jakenuts · · Score: 1

    I'll tell you the worst part about this whole ugly affair, have you checked out the penguin at www.linuxone.net. It is branded with a seared red scar in the shape of the bsOne corporate logo. Scandalous.

  80. A brief visit to LinuxOne Worldwide Headquarters by Animats · · Score: 2
    LinuxOne Worldwide Headquarters is at 201 San Antonio Circle, C250, Mountain View, CA. This is in the Old Mill Office Plaza, a nice little office complex where San Antonio Road crosses the railroad tracks. This office complex dates from the 1970s, and is in the classic California style, with an interior court open to the sky with a pond and well-maintained, mature plantings. Unfortunately, it's now surrounded by strip malls and a condo complex.

    The complex contains four connected buildings, A through D. Outside Building C, there are the usual business directory signs. Suite 250 is listed as "Pacific Microelectronics" and as "NetUSA". (No surprise there; these two companies are the previous companies of the founder of LinuxOne, according to Dun and Bradstreet.) There's no mention of LinuxOne. On the lobby directory, we see the same two names, but this time there's a post-it note with "LinuxOne" glued to the NetUsa sign.

    Upstairs, at suite 250, there's a little office with "Pacific Microelectronics" on the glass door. A big "LinuxOne" banner hangs on the back wall. There's a receptionist desk but nobody sitting at it. All the offices have glass fronts, and there appear to be a few adjacent offices belonging to the company. One has a nice fish tank. The office space is consistent with the headcount of 10 previously reported. Unclear how much of the operation is LinuxOne vs. NetUSA.

    So that's LinuxOne. Now how much were they claiming the company was worth in the IPO?

  81. whats their URL? by zqrhegg · · Score: 1
    I havn't been able to get onto the

    http://www.linuxone.net

    URL tonight. Am I going to the right place?

    Don't worry everyone, the penguin will take his revenge!!!!

  82. Re:gaijin by Overfiend · · Score: 1

    I knew gaijin was a Japanese word, believe it or not, and I knew that Chiou was not a Japanese name. Chinese names are very, very easy to distinguish from Japanese ones even to an ignorant Westerner like myself. In fact, it's pretty straightforward to learn to distinguish Chinese, Japenese, Korean, and Vietnamese names from each other -- at least the ones I've encountered in history books.

    I hope no one except people at LinuxOne and the Anonymous Coward I replied to took offense. Maybe no one else did; you tell me, does it give offense to presume that someone else would take offense when they would not? :)

    Finally, you might conclude that a person who took his slashdot username from Urotsukidoji both knew a little bit about Japanese words, and might be inclined to troll. :) I hope you guys had as much fun flaming me as I did flaming the clueless idiot. :)

    -- Overfiend, who can tell Hideyoshi from K'ang-hsi even on a bad day

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    Address-collecting spam robots don't know how to crack ROT13. Do you?
  83. terrible mind by rumba · · Score: 1
    I just saw the ads for BjornixOne on TV. They had Cheap Trick singing, "I Won Chiou to One Me."

    Bjorn Snowballs, creator of the Bjornix OS, comments in his typical non-commital fashion, "You can't account for taste."

    This thing is a terrible mind.

  84. Someone should go confront them and see... by dubaduba · · Score: 1

    I live pretty darn close to them; unfortunately I'm not getting my driver's license for another 3 months. However it would be great for someone to go into their office (to the lobby) with some printed data (evidence of copied RH mans, printout of RH running on www.linuxone.com, etc.) and see what they do. It's harder to dodge the questions in person.

  85. if it smells like shit... by BluSkreen · · Score: 1

    Let's see...you are about to launch a multi million dollar IPO...your lawyer uses a Hotmail account, and is not familiar with the terms and conditions of his account. Most respected, professional companies use a business email account.

    Of course, there is the little issue that Hotmail does not allow the accounts to be used for business purposes. The terms of use are pretty clear, and it looks like your "lawyer" didn't take the time to read http://lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/dasp/ hminfo_shell.asp?_lang=&content=nospam, that specifically notes the terms and conditions for using Hotmail.

    It appears your "lawyer" has violated a couple of the terms of his Hotmail account. Does he really exist?, If so he is obligated to to inform us as to what state he is licensed to practice, and provide complete contact information. Your "hey stop that" email threat is not binding, and would not be recognised in a court of law as a valid cease and desist. In fact, if it were found that such a lawyer did not exist, you could be sued for harassment.

    My theory, there was never any "lawyer".

    So, knock off the bullshit, deal with us like regular people.

    Dave

  86. hmmm, looks like he is your registered agent... by BluSkreen · · Score: 1

    Judging from your SEC filings and abanet, that your "lawyer" does exist. I'll be damned...

    Is litigation his speciality? It appears though he is your Registered Agent. I don't know of too many registered agents that are consumate litigators, particularly in IP or libel/slander cases.

    BTW, since you guys at LinuxOne are such technical powerhouses, you should know that it doesn't take a Hotmail account to access your email from all over the world. Maybe that fact just didn't trickle down to your legal department. Ask one of your "several" programmers just how to do that. The real trick to being able to get on the Internet from around the world, is the connection, something Hotmail doesn't provide. I'm sure you knew that, since you are the ones with the pre-IPO software company.

    I'd think that a pre-IPO, multi million dollar, multi national software company such as LinuxOne, would have the infrastructure to be able to host a simple Web based email server. I mean, it appears his address is the address you guys used in your SEC filings, why doesn't he just log on via your WAN, to the LinuxOne mail servers. But, you guys are the pros, what do I know about any of this hi tech stuff. I'm only a lowly network administrator. I don't know too much about all this business stuff. Why there must be a real good reason that your attorney is using Hotmail to distribute LinuxOne legal documents, instead of the robust infrastructure that a pre-IPO potential multi million dollar, multi national software company would have.

    You know, most of the stuff to set up your own mail server is available on a RedHat or Mandrake distribution. For the sake of argument, I'll just assume that you are familiar with Linux distributions other than your own.

    I'm missing something in all this, right? ;->

    Dave

  87. No, Check your links first! by SeanNi · · Score: 1

    Sorry, dude. When I go to the link I provided, I get a directory full of src.rpm's (I copied that link directly out of my URL bar). When I go to the one you provided, I get a "FTP directory not found" or some such error.

    Like I said, the URL's provided by LinuxOne are wrong.
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    - Sean

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    It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
    - Sean
  88. Underwriter by stump · · Score: 2

    FYI: It appears that Capital West is underwriting LinuxOne's IPO.

    Here's some info:
    http://www.hoovers.com/co/ capsule/6/0,2163,61366,00.html