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A reader wrote to us with the word that Cap'n Bry has designed a Web-based GNUtella search/download form for those who want to leech from GNUtella servers without using the GNUtella software or sharing their files.
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Some way that if a comment gets moderated below 1 (below 0 for AC posts) the threshold for (Read the rest of this comment)" gets bumped down to, say, 10 lines. Should take some of the punch out of the flood-kids and alt.sex.stories...
Note it also is not censored in any way, merely 'abridged' like trolls-digest or some such...
Since it's kinda pointless to use GNUtella without servers.... check This website out... it also has updated versions that were previously unreleased (up to 0.50c now)
OK, for those who don't get it... this is PHP and JavaScript, not HTML. It's the full source to the clone, and contains specifications on the Gnutella protocol (indirectly), and acts as a client (directly). The point of putting it here is that if the MPAA/AOL/RIAA/other stupid organization shuts down the site (or the site gets /.ed), the code is here. And hopefully, on your hard drive, right next to a full copy of LiViD's work, Echelon reports, the RSA encryption algorithm, and all those other things us paranoids keep on our disks.
Windows 2000: Designed for the Internet. The Internet: Designed for UNIX.
Yes, I'm sure he'd want it to be as widely and freely available as possible.
Does it have anything to do with the food called Nutella?
Read Here: NUTELLA
It's good shit maynard... I like it...
pronoblem
A linux console client that works fairly well can be downloaded here:
http://www.umr.edu/~jjp/
Give up your freedom to use Napster, Gnutella, DivX, which you seem to think is unimportant. Next thing you know certain books will disappear that aren't important, teachers won't be allowed to teach certain subjects because they're unimportant.
Bullshit. One doesn't follow the other in any local sense.
Typical whine #8... you may not like what I'm doing, but if you don't support it they will take away your freedom to! Right.
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
-rt
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Now, I think it would be GOOD to buy FIVE or SIX STUDEBAKERS
and CRUISE for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!!
I'm not behind a firewall, and I couldn't view the page either. I think the good people at dyndhs.org pulled the plug.
For more information, click here.
It connected those who, typically, both took and gave in a moderately fair exchange, a sort of moral contract. Not just a platform where information flowed freely, but one which nurtured new, better, easier ways for two-way communication to proceed. Then things changed. It began to suck. Literally.
New, consumer-oriented clients were invented, and offered without the servers required to complete the contract. Fewer and fewer of the users provided information; it was not long until effectively one-way IP connections were being sold, so-called "Internet access" difficult to use for the original purpose - even forbidding serving data outwards! An artificial division between "consumers" and "providers" of was created, and promoted as the natural order of things. By no coincidence, the Internet started filling up with crap.
Yes, "crap". Data unwanted by anyone (of whatever taste). Crap overwhelming and hiding real information, expressions of knowledge and belief. Advertisements. Pay sites for data and services free elsewhere. Payola search engines where apparently informative websites, actually an advertisements for a book or expensive services, are placed far ahead of where the same can be read for free.
Gnutella, in the original concept, actually offered a way back to making the Internet free again. Not so this one-way client. It offers no future.
An RFC for the future? A user-level client/server/distributed search-review engine - with optional pure servers, yes, where it can speed and smooth things. Protocols which can connect those who have sought and found some of what they are looking for with other seekers of the similar and exchange what they've found, and metadata of how good and where else it is.
Without invading privacy beyond "Unknown persons, seeking what you're looking for. found this very useful. Judging by their having saved it/paged through the whole thing/browsed the links in it. They thought this other stuff was crap by discarding it with prejudice; and, collectively, explicitly reviewed it this way or that; people who consistently disagree with you in their choices thought the opposite."
But the protocols would have to assure that in payment. you give to the collective wisdom what you take. At least in the matter of the reviewing.
Now this may make me sound like a wuss, but what of your ISP? They control my window to the internet, they have a monopoly on all high-speed connections in my area (My cable co, Adelphia, anyone who doesn't think they are a local monopoly is a moron) This means if I share my files and they get pissed over bandwidth, WTF I'm SOL. The internet isn't open till the commerical ISP dies, they want to protect their own interests which means making money, which means the more dumbasses they can shove on a line the better.
What will we have to do to truly make the internet free?
I can't do everything I could want (run my own site or use linux (bastard one-way modem dealie and in linux i'm a newbie)) because my ISP is in it for the money, not for the net.
(Stray thought: What about the governments, what can they do, the USA thinks they can outlaw whatever they want to on the net, gee, they smart, me bow down now. to that i say SHUT THE HELL UP BITCH. How about we make some changes, guess who has the money now, Techies, guess how governments are run, Money. We should be changing the world, not bitchin' on a forum for our own kind(who generally agrees anyway)Let's make some changes. No person has the right to show others how to live. Screw our "common good" laws, some can't even be proven anyway, ass politicians just assume that whoever pays them the most is right (Old ppl can drive, young ppl can't, how many old ppl are blind? how many can't drive?) What is the internet going to become if the corperate jackasses begin control, our great information superhighway (hate that term, but it's an effective metaphor for the situation) becomes another yuppie suburb.)
"It has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now" RATM
Geez, I really needed to get that out
thx
"He who laughs last, thinks slowest"
I don't fully understand american universities' problems with napster et al. Here at Auckland University, we have to pay for our net connection, which essentially regulates the whole thing. We pay $0.15NZ per MByte during peak hours, $0.05NZ per MByte offpeak, as well as for all nz traffic.
Do american university students get free web access? It seems that if you had to pay, it would wipe the problem out overnight - by stopping excess use, as well as providing funding for purchasing extra bandwidth, etc.
"Oh, I got me a helmet - I got a beauty!"
"Oh, I got me a helmet - I got a beauty!"
Jack Nicholson, Easy Rider
Hmmm well I have seen some of this gnutella stuff.
Tell me exactly where can one obtain say a nice linux binary or some nice source for the app.
If not what would be the most stable build for NT?
P.S. I just might decide to do some of this gnutella stuff say tomorrow if I can get access to a binary and some good material I did a small ammount of the napster thing just for the hell of it when I had a couple of hours to spare. If anyone is interested I would register with some form of a variation of the slashdot uid or something like that.
Is there a formalized backup or scan protocol that could say scan for any original material from all currently avaible gnutella servers and then grab/flag said material for possible retrieval? That could be very useful just get a couple 50 gig SCSI disks and your all set.
Slashdot social engineering at it's finest
This appears to be really interesting however how exactly can one use a direct download method? I tried accessing the first server only to find that it starts timeing out and the second from the AC which apparently servs up just mp3 content but dosn't allow for direct download.
When I try to access the links via downloading them via right clicking or typing 'd' over the linx in lynx or following the links by clicking on them it returns status information saying that the server is a gnutella server and not a http server.
Slashdot social engineering at it's finest
Well, what about a gun maker that advertises "resistant to finger
/usr/share/doc/*/copyright /usr/doc/*/copyright.
prints" or markets in a way to ensure arrival of guns to minors? I
know we are talking about different levels of morality (theft != guns)
but the point remains that manufacturers bear some responsibility to
their products, especially when the use is obviously illegal.
Really now do you honestly think that if I am motivated to kill someone that that would stop me. Any half wit knows that all you have to do is wear gloves of some kind and suddently all those nasty fingerprints dissapear for good really quickly. Now here's something really interesting do you think that just because someone uses a product for an illegal purpose does that make them totally responsible. Well if y ou follow the letter of the law in various places in the US it already is to some extent in terms of software liscencing. Ever actually sit down to read any of those software agreements or service agreements. Hell even in debian I can read the following:
Copyright (C) 1993-1999 Software in the Public Interest, and others
Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are
freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program
should be described in the individual files in
or
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
That last line is really the kicker most progams usually come with a form of agreement even more stingent. Usually this equates to saying that (in layspeak):
I as the author don't really give a tinker's damn about how you use this software only that is isn't guaranteed to suit a particular purpose and I am not liable for any direct/indirect damage from my program being used inapropriately.
That's bullshit and we all know it. Napster, Gnutella, DivX, anything
new that comes along: they are all used primarily for entertainment,
plain and simple. We ain't talking about political news or relious
freedoms or anything serious. We're talking about people stealing
South Park and Britney Spears for their own fucking pleasure, just to
save a buck or two. It's that plain, as much as you all hate to admit it!
Man you like Britney Spears? Ok man whatrever.
You have a rather blanket statement stating that "anything that comes along is entertainment" while one could technically argue that all the things you have mentioned can be forms of entertainment I think that a telegraph machine could also be used for entertainment, a photocopier (for copying those unmentionables),
or using mainframes to play ttyquake on. Are you saying that new media is primarily used for entertainment purposes first and foremost?
As a programmer I can say that on all the network protocols that I have seen nothing compares to the level of scanning and avaibility that is built in to the napster/gnutella protocol. Oh sure you can do other things with various pre-existing standards but nothing this easy and complete. It's liek distributed.net for storage or for querying transactions.
Actually you are wrong on the "couple of bucks"
angle too. In general usually the person is saving thousands (in the case of things like 3d Studio Max) or they are saving nothing but more accurately costing them big bucks for getting the files.
Seems most people around here prefer to rid mp3's from their preexisting cd sets for convient archival and use. Now personally I haven't done this because I haven't bought a CD (yeah I am a loner and not much into music as such being a keen listener to the radio and posessor of no sound equipment)
However I have thought of the possibility of taking say something like a book and riping apart the pages scanning them in and do a multiple regression OCR analysis on it so that I could easily search for and retrieve data for all my reference books (Britanica, Bible, Koran, Hindu ancient texts, English classics of the 19th century, various history books from long dead authors, etc), now assuming that I dont' distribute these to anyone (hell several hundred gigs of text data isn't exactly portable by any means including removing my hd) I am perfectly in my right to do this in the spirit of keeping things in a better format.
PS. out of curiousity what could be the best method od going the above scannign routine. Say best hardware/software combo and it's current state of linux compatability/incompataiblity.
Slashdot social engineering at it's finest
Seriously, we need a .mp3 TLD.
And didn't you mean "When you want to transfer something, all you have to do is use nstp to get it."? (I assume nstp = Network Sneaker Transport Protocol)
On another note, Wrapneaker lets you transfer stuff besides MP3 music. Like pickup trucks and rock quarries.
But of course to block this thing, all one needs to do is insert a trojan bitch somewhere along the line. That's why encryption is needed for sneakers (when encrypted, sneakers look like anything else that's taken a good trip through the mud.)
I was actually unaware of gnutella until right about now. Our university has banned napster. It was alledgedly taking too much network bandwidth. However, when gnutella takes off, they will wish they had set up some network policies to deal with napster. After all, web interfaces to gnutella use the http or ftp protocol for file transfer. They will have a heck of a time explainging to everyone that they are no longer allowed to download files!
Furthermore - if gnutella is opensourced, the students will be able to change ports, effectively rendering any firewalling rules except the really restrictive kind, useless. When will they ever learn that style of net regulation is useless?
-Jeppe
Stop the brainwash
How nice of you to decide one freedom is more important than another. Good thing your way of thinking hasn't gained much popularity (yet) or we'd be without any freedoms whatsoever.
Give up your freedom to use Napster, Gnutella, DivX, which you seem to think is unimportant. Next thing you know certain books will disappear that aren't important, teachers won't be allowed to teach certain subjects because they're unimportant.
Gnutella is just a way to transfer files. Would you like to outlaw FTP? I find your assumptions insulting and scary.
Also, just watch for what people are searchign for and rename some files. That is always good for a laugh as well. Stile does have the perfect pics for the job :)
This is officially the beginning of the revolution. Doesn't it seem like we found a killer app in distributed file sharing? now for Freenet to come and finish the job. woohoo. This is gonna be fun.
There's a universal truth, that as long as there is stuff, there will be people who want the afformentioned stuff at no cost.
I want free music
I want free net access
I want free DVDs
I want free software
I want free beer
The great thing about software, however, is that, fundamentally, it is nothing more than a collection of ones and zeros. Anyone can do it. Anyone can steal it. Anyone can spraypaint the binary on a wall downtown.
But the media and the big companies *know* that people want free. This is why we have Netzero. This is why we have freedsl. You can even get all of your long distance calls for free, if you know where to look. And as long as the advertising bandwagon keeps on rolling, the public will keep on ignoring it to get free stuff.
Even better, if the "E-Free" trend continues, we won't even need jobs anymore. Alladvantage will pay for our groceries and hardware. All we have to do is sit back on our fat lazy asses and watch banner ads, pushing even more "free" products on us. Personally, I'm waiting for commercials to pay for my cable.
This is nothing new. Companies have put toys in happy meals and cereal boxes, given us "20% more!" for free, and "buy 3 tires get the fourth free" deals.
Don't let any of this confuse you. Free is a myth. You don't get a free tire, it's included in the price. Same with cereal. If it weren't, don't you think they would just GIVE you that tire? Once more, these e-free companies don't deliver free services. You are being reimbursed for the time you waste staring at the banners.
But as long as there are cheap bastards, there will be companies pimping free stuff to us.
Let me get this straight. This is a way to take files without sharing them back?!?
How much of a cheap bastard can you be? You've stolen the mp3, but you don't want someone to steal it from you?!?
I'm sure that someone's going to complain about being a low bandwidth host, but napster (and I assume gnutella) pretty much self-regulate--if you're on a low bandwidth connection, nobody wants to use you. If you have a popular file, pretty soon lots of people have that popular file.
But to use a technology just to leech--that puts you in cheap bastard land.
It works just like the REAL Gnutella:
Could not connect to 192.168.100.100:22674
(113) No route to host
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(Exchange Migration HOWTO coming soon)
No. Slashdot is into spreading the word about new distribution technologies for digital content. The underlying assumption (presumption?) behind this question could just as well ask, "Is Goodyear soliciting bank robberies?" (since, after all, auto tires can be used in getaway vehicles).
Well, what about a gun maker that advertises "resistant to finger prints" or markets in a way to ensure arrival of guns to minors? I know we are talking about different levels of morality (theft != guns) but the point remains that manufacturers bear some responsibility to their products, especially when the use is obviously illegal.
How long will it take for people to realize this is not an issue of copyright v. theft, or bandwidth v. theft of services? As Cosmo said in Sneakers, "It's about who controls the information -- what we see and hear, how we work, what we think -- It's all about the information."
That's bullshit and we all know it. Napster, Gnutella, DivX, anything new that comes along: they are all used primarily for entertainment, plain and simple. We ain't talking about political news or relious freedoms or anything serious. We're talking about people stealing South Park and Britney Spears for their own fucking pleasure, just to save a buck or two. It's that plain, as much as you all hate to admit it!
-rt-
** Evil Canadians are taking over the world. Learn about the conspiracy
right on! people who use IE suck! Real men use NETSC._..#&*@>@&)#&_^............(crash)
What's really fun with Gnutella is when you snag some nasty .jpg of a guy taking a crap off of stileproject.com, and rename it britney_spears_nude.jpg. Then, watch your upload log window fill up!
Another gnutella web interface is up at phreedom.net.
gnutella protocol, reverse engineered for your hacking pleasure =)
There are quite a few gnutella clones popping up. Unfortunately, this one was written in pascal of all things. There are a couple extremely promising C based gnutella clones, including this one for which the source hasn't yet (but will be) released. Enjoy! =)
-rt
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Now, I think it would be GOOD to buy FIVE or SIX STUDEBAKERS
and CRUISE for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!!
How long will it take for people to realize this is not an issue of copyright v. theft, or bandwidth v. theft of services? As Cosmo said in Sneakers, "It's about who controls the information -- what we see and hear, how we work, what we think -- It's all about the information."
The Mongrel Dogs Who Teach
To heck with Gnetella, Napster, et al. Sneaker net is the only way to go. Here's the general outline:
There's a guy. He has sneakers. Actually, there are lots of guys with sneakers. When you want to transfer something, all you have to do is use sntp to get it. To initial that transfer, use the init signal: "Hey bitch! Get over here!" and the sneaker bitch comes to answer your request. Then you say, I want this mp3.
(This can be abberviated nstp://bitch.newmp3.mp3
Sneaker bitch then runs off to the sneaker bitch hub where he passes the message off to the next sneaker bitch. After the message reaches the target machine, it is recorded on magnetic media and returns via the same path.
Inefficient you say? Never underestimate the bandwidth of a pickup truck full of floppies.
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(note: I am not the progenetor of this idea, but we talked about it at supper last night, and it sound like fun to me. Think of the mp3's you could fit in a pickup!)