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3rd Annual ICFP Programming Contest Announced
jsarnat writes "A recent Ask Slashdot revealed revealed that there are indeed many programming language bigots (myself included) who read Slashdot. What better way to prove that your favorite language is the best one there is than to win the Third Annual ICFP Programming Contest? The contest doesn't start until August 26th, but they encourage you to register soon. Prizes include: `cash awards, famous texts on functional languages donated and autographed by the authors, and, of course, unlimited bragging rights.'"
You could probably run it through wine or something but AFAIK there's no VB implementation for Red Hat. Give Borland 10 years and you might be able to use Delphi.
For quickest implementation, looks like JAVA might take the cake. Devel it in a Win32 or Linux GUI and in theory it should work on RH6.2 without a hitch. Too bad speed is important too. *grin*
--Clay
San Ramon Unified School District in conjunction with Rotary Club sponsored a web programming contest. This contest was for teams of students who would form businesses providing web site design for business customers, who were participating in the contest. The teams were evaluated on both the technical merit of the website and their ability to communicate well with the "client" and extract meaningful knowlege of the business so as to be able to build an effective web site. This Link provides more information on previous contests.
enough is too much
I tried to put a team together for this thing. They thought we'd use some weird blend of Python, Java and Lisp. Somehow that didn't quite mesh with my plan to grind INTERCAL, Befunge and Assembly into a coarse grind which only the few, the proud, the Real Programmers could stomach. Ah yes, the aroma of code rot...
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Too often, I see people "sticking to what they know" and applying the wrong technology. For instance, for 6 weeks a fellow at work was feverishly writing tens of thousands of C code. He was having a hard time and came by to ask me a few C questions. Turns out, he was writing a cgi-script in C!
The program limped along when one day I reimplented it in a few hundred lines of perl.
I caught another fellow writing C programs to invoke unix system commands. Sounds like a shell script to me.
Another fellow, when I was working at a scientific firm, loved lisp so much that he wrote an inline interpreter in lisp and henceforth wrote his modules in lisp.
My take on the languages is this:
Fortran is the tank - the number cruncher. Write it in fortran, and it'll port forever. I've seen 30 year old code surviving the test of time in it's original form, no worse for the wear. Fortran makes it hard to get in trouble, and it's problem space nowadays is mostly in heavy math shops like geophysic exploration.
I guess my point is that each language has it's strong and weak points. Picking your language should be a function of the problem space and computing environment.
-- Good judgement comes with experience. -- Experience comes with bad judgement.
Perl has entered both ICFP contests, and has got stomped. I don't know whether it's because of Perl or not, but history doesn't seem to follow your conclusion that Perl will win.
Perhaps you should look up "intuitive" in the dictionary. Then when you're done, look up the word "contradiction".
-Pete
Actually Java is plenty fast for this - OCaml, Scheme and Icon are no speed demons either. I wouldn't bet on that low level of a language to win though; the winners have usually been people running high level languages like ML and Haskell.
It's at http://www.ioccc.org
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1999 was writing an optimizer for their fictitious NPC language, and 1998 was to implement a program that plays pousse.
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Those guys at microsoft makee greet softwares. So leave them alones since they should be mentioned anyways. MIcrosoft is great in that they can competers so easiee to use. I knows because Im an mcse!
Its great certificationes programs like mcse that makes 5th grade dropouts like myself sucessfull.
Oh I am very smarts and thet is why I left 5th grade earlier to persue my mcse certification. The mcse is whole lots more changeling then reel college wark! and vb is the vest!
Vb is so powerful that I can crete something called a loop so that my computer here can make descisions by looking comparing variiables. Try doing this MR Dennis Ritchie and Linus Trovalds, I bet you cants loop. That is truee jhacking I bet whole os's llike windows could totally be written in vb!
Thanks you bill gates for inventing loops and real objects languages like vb that are truely objet oriented unlike c++ which just supports moduleses.
Awww Jeez ! Fixed Link
enough is too much
Quick, all you Linux geeks out there, help a DOS fantic out: Is there a QBasic interpreter for Linux?
:)
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
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And bash is installed, which should renders some of the rants posted here irrelevant.
So, check the machine description on the site!
Hell, even bc is installed (-:
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Ohyeah? I'd like to see somone enter using Brainf*ck! Or at least Befunge.
Bragging rights... hell, I would worship anyone who did this. (And I'm talking virgin sacrifices, et. al.)
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
Yep, you're right, they're definitely biased.
...
;-)
For instance they rejected all the programs that core dumped, or could not produce well formed output.
Actually, they were even more biased than that since they even tried to correct the programs to get some output from them before rejecting them (as it's described in this result paper
I definitely agree, who cares if the program works, as long as it's fast
should have been this link
Which is a "compiler for a safe C-like language". One thing which they pointed really caught my eye though.
"we couldn't help but notice that 12 out of the 16 programs written in unsafe languages failed to meet the basic correctness criteria whereas only 4 out of the remaining 21 safe language programs were rejected."
Hmmmm...
... and, of course, unlimited bragging rights.
;-)
But as George W Bush would say, there ought to be a limit to bragging rights.
No bash? Sheesh, I guess the judges knew I would really clean up if they let me in there. ;) [It's a joke, laugh]
while people should be producing nice code, the people organizing should probably fix their own things instead - and make them run under something a little bit nicer. they'd fail their own rules :)
.. hrmf.
'E:\ExternalWeb\icfp\cgi-bin\post.plx' script produced no output
mats
One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
Whath are thu thalking abouth.
Lithp ith the betht languash around.
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Too bad the language he's working on now can't be used in the contest. It's a pretty nifty piece of work.
Say hello to zMac.
It's the closest thing to QB there is and I think you'll find it a wee-bit more useful than QBasic (32-bit binaries. Support for Windows and Linux under X. I could go on, but you get the picture...)
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Software isn't immoral. People are immoral. All "moral" tools can be put to immoral uses and all "immoral" tools can be put to moral ones. The authors of Jammer are certainly misguided, but if you have need of the tool, then use theirs or write your own.
There is a Visual Basic VM implementation for Linux. http://www.softworksltd.com/vbvm.html has a little bit more information on it..
Please, feel free to enter your Visual Basic 5.0 or 6.0 programs! I like to laugh!!
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Huh? Emacs Lisp might well be one of the worse Lisps. Lisp had the advantage on Perl that it has optional declarations, can be compiled, and has huge meta-level possibilities. Perl is an exemple of C with retrofitted 1/3rd of the possibilities of Lisp.
Now I don't use Lisp, except for very specific programs, but I sure can recognize its power.
You obvioulsy didn't read the announcement very well (not even the quote that you are citing). It says that the task will be choosen such that algorithmic cleverness etc matters. That's all. The judgement won't be on subjective, but on objective criteria - like does your program work. Mind you, last year, most C, Perl etc. submission loosed just because they had bugs in them - they just produced the wrong result or crashed. That's a pretty objective test, I would say (if you don't believe me, look at the Web pages from last year).
Now, you can say that choosing a programming task that requires some non-trivial algorithms is a bias in favour of FP languages. And, yes, you are right. But that's the point. When programs and algorithms become more complex, more sophisticated programming languages buy you something. If you don't believe it, then demonstrate that you can produce a working implementation to a algorithmically challenging problem in 72 hours and get rid of all your bugs.
Chilli
-=- Just a random lambda hacker
Am I the first guy to speak about Forth here ?
It is IMHO one of the most elegant languages ever, even though you first have to declare many words in order to code efficiently.
(Depending on the interpreter used) a Forth program can be faster than the same optimized program coded in Assembly !
I indeed saw some that were reoptimizing the generated low-level code according to specific contexts.
I just wish some competitor could just validate my admiration for this language upon the others.
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So their tastes are fickle as well as biased.
Ummm... you might want to read the list of prizes, which offers as part of 1st prize:
Some interesting points to note from the paper:
Of course, after that it was all very subjective. The overall winner was the best optimizer, ran to a mere 376 LOC (average entry was 1500 LOC), and the programmer claims to have spent only 6-8 hours on the task. The second place winner was the second best optimizer. The remaining winner was the third best optimizer.
Ralph
Give Borland 10 years and you might be able to use Delphi.
I'm hoping Delphi will be ready next year so I can use it. However, Delphi will rely on Qt for its (Linux) GUI implementation, and a search for "qt" in the package list didn't turn up anything. Am I looking for the wrong thing (yes, I'm a newbie)?
To understand what's right and wrong, the lawyers work in shifts ...
Oh for Brainfuck's sake.
Squicking is a word that arose from a very specific story posted on alt.sex somewhere around 10 years ago. My comments were NOT trolls, and they didn't merit a -1 score.
My comments were meant as humor, to add to the thread with such a goofy programming language. Why not make a goofy virtual machine to go along with it?
The very fact that NOBODY seemed to know what squicking was is PROOF that the link to the admittedly sick squicking page was REQUIRED. Still, nobody got it.
10 years ago, squicking was an actual topic on alt.sex. Except for me, Elf Sternberg, and a few others, everyone else apparently has forgotten that.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
But what if the winner uses hard-coded machine code -- directly? Would this have any effect on the assosicated computer language conference?
Only if you can write it object oriented with a GUI interface. Better get going on those toggle switches, sport, that PDP-3 ain't gonna code itself!
Vote Naked 2000
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
We got too hungary.
There's a linux implementation available. That's all it takes.
Except for machines with the latest DevStudio beta installed. Duh!
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So I suspect the POSIX and Motif compiance are not required of NT?
If not, good thing. All things being equal, they'd probably just require Linux to provide that enhanced BSOD feature thats so tightly integrated into NT/2000, that it cannot be removed.
J is a great powerful functionnal language. See what the have done at iCFP 98 : http://www.jsoftware.com/studio/pousse.htm (Note that J has no connection at all with Java)
Firstly, the contest is not a programming contest but a unix geekfest. Put a decent Delphi programming in there with Delphi and Win32 and he would kick ass so quickly it woudln't be close. Where the fuck are the modern languages anyway? I just see a bunch of 1980ish stuff.
The winning team from 1998 included Charles Leiserson. He co-authored the algorithms text I used in grad school. Yeah, like anyone has a chance of beating him.
Damn, I would claim my own eternal bragging rights if I could get a program to compile in a contest he's in.
Unix: Where
This has already happened with an APL variant, "J" in 1998. They even won Judge's prize :-)
You become an advocate of a language by recognizing its power? Well, to compare with that, I use LISP for 40 hours a week professionally. And in doing *that* I've come to the conclusion that it sucks. At least, compared to a good OO language like C++ or Smalltalk. On the other hand, it *is* better than Perl - it just made me laugh that you compare two shitty languages and say one's better than the other. They're both shitty! ;)
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Of course. It all makes sense to me now; this is nothing other than another huge international setup to get all the best proggramers (and thus lots of the hackers as well)! I see thru the trap! Fight but never surrender!
"Ha, I fart in your general direction!" - After watching too much Monty Python as a child
It's easy to be mistaken, when you don't read the rules. ANY language is allowed. It says so EXPLICITLY.
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There's QBCC and there's a linux port of Chipmunk Basic. Both are QBasic compatible.
How many people have read the 1999 task? How many people understood it?
They call me the working man. I guess that's what I am.
Last year's task was to build a source-code optimiser for a high-level language. The organisers defined the language, provided examples and screwed up. The language was based around a finite state machine, and they forgot to mention that a variable called 'state' was available. They were *very* apologetic.
This sort of competition is fun and rewarding. But it won't help in the *real* world, where we all crank out database code for a living.
Painful!
It says on the homepage that it's released under the BSD Licence; there needs to be a BSDM Licence for something that excruciating.
So the server's been slashdotted. No fear. 1999's is cached here, and 1998's is here.
From the contest site:
This programming contest is being conducted by ICFP, which implies a context of functional programming. However, rather than debate the definition of a "functional programming language," we will allow submitted programs to be written in any language whatsoever, as long as it has an implementation for Pentium PCs running Linux (Red Hat 6.2).
At Neozones, the QBasic source code has been floating around for a while. The majority of QBasic's source is written in C, so it shouldn't be too difficult to port to Linux.
Just so you know, Cilk isn't actually a functional language, but a slight modification of C to make parallelism easy. So their top prize went to a language that isn't functional that time. Actually, Cilk can be compiled correctly (although without the gain in parallelism) with a normal C compiler with a short header file.
The particular things they said about the winners were stock phrases (mostly), and mentioned before the contest in the prize listings.
I think the bias is mainly in who enters; it's mainly people using experimental languages, which are often functional. Also, functional programming languages tend to have features like garbage-collection that make it easier to do short projects quickly.
Hey man, there's a functional component in C++'s STL. I cringed to see map et al. in this ungodly language. Of course the syntax is impossible and makes you long for the parentheses of LISP or Scheme.
Scuttlemonkey is a troll
Your accusations of bias are completely unfounded. The paper discussing the results of the '99 contest clearly states the objective criteria used to determine the winners. Entries were judged first on code correctness - each entry had to correctly process all of the test samples. The prize then went to the entry that produced the most highly optimized output. In other words, the prize went to the the entry that objectively produced the most correct and efficient code.
The winners of the '98 contest were simply the best players of the game. What could be more objective? As far as the Judges' Prize is concerned, the contest announcement very clearly states:
This is clearly a subjective decision, but the contest organizers make it very plain that this is the case.
You could perhaps argue that the choice of problems that involve complex translation or problem-solving show a bias towards functional languages, but the fact of the matter is that you'd have a hard time coming up with a good high-level programming problem that wasn't better attacked with a functional language. The winners give much more lucid accounts of the advantage of functional languages for complex problem-solving than I could hope to. They're worth reading.
Another interesting recent study explored the productivity advantages of lisp over C/C++ or java. Their conclusions are also very interesting.
wow, that'd be hilarious!! in fact it might even encourage me to shoot for last and write some really lame code. i'm sure they could do it though, it wouldn't really cost them anything, but it'd sure be funny.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I probably should have attached my note to the parent of your article. Yes, you did get it, but the clueless cowards who used the "overrated" tag so their bad moderation wouldn't stand in meta did not.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
They are fast compared to what? Java? All I was saying that Java wasn't going to be slow compared to your competitors. You didn't provide any evidence or facts about that, you just insulted me. "damn fast" and "*extremely* fast" means nothing.
While the evaluation procedures used are perfectly objective, there are two more subtly ways in which the contest could be said to be biased towards FPLs.
First, the choise of problems might the kind functional programmers are interested in. Probably, few C hackers or Perl programmers have thought much about the problem of optimizing decision trees for pattern matching, while authors of ML implementations certainly have.
Secondly, the people who come into contact with the ICFP mostly belong to the functional programming community. Thus, most of the serious competitors will favour FPLs, so they will be overrepresented among the winners.
I depends what you are doing. Writing a compiler in Lisp sounds sure much easier in Lisp than in C++ (I wrote one for a mini-language). Of course, I'm not using Lisp everyday so you have a point :-)
On the other hand, it *is* better than Perl - it just made me laugh that you compare two shitty languages and say one's better than the other. They're both shitty! ;)
Hmm... Perl is uncessarily weird. Lack of syntax from Lisp is precisely what allows meta-programming. Are you using Lisp macros in their full power ?
you get the "elmer award" for your fudliness
That is the funniest thing I have heard in weeks.
Did you make that up yourself?
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Perl always wins these kinds of contests, it seems, when there's a knowledgeable Perl programmer (or team) entered. It makes sense too. If you wanted to program something quickly and you knew all common programming languages, which would you choose? Also, the kinds of problems given in these contests are typically ones where programming language choice is a fairly neutral decision. In other words, they aren't going to assign a complex database problem, because everyone would choose [insert your favorite DB language here]. Likewise, it's not going to be a kernel or filesystem problem, or everyone would just choose [insert your favorite mid- to low-level language here]. Typically it's an interesting math problem, or a CS theory problem, and if there is any bias towards a particular language's features, it tends to be a bias in the direction of the kind of things Perl is particularly good at.
I think this kind of test is interesting, and fun, but I don't think it proves what some of you might be thinking. This test is going to last 72 hours. How many projects last 72 hours? How many projects are finished by the same team that started them? How many projects are never maintained after being completed? How many projects have no particular bias towards the features of a particular language? If you had a project like this, which language would you choose? Would you then decide to use that language for all future projects, regardless of what they might be?
Don't get me wrong. Perl is cool, and it is a very useful tool, but I don't think that any language is "the best". Perl just happens to be a very good language for programming contests. Does that mean we should embrace it to the exclusion of all others?
David Fay
P.S. For those of you who think that Perl sucks and [insert your favorite "best" language here] kicks Perl's a**, just remove Perl from the above text and insert the name of your pet language. Is everything I said still valid? Thought so. Let's pick the language for the task, like engineers, not the "best" language for all tasks, like a zealous fan.
Search for the cutils package (I know it's in Debian), specifically obfusc and unloop. GPL and all that, makes code practically unreadable.
I guess the 2000 comp could be to see if anyone can write a sucessful linux virus.
~ppppppppö
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I'm not sure if you were really trying to be funny or are actually serious.
If you're serious, check out RapidQ... forget the others, especially Xbasic. Xbasic is limited.
RapidQ is a semi-object oriented language, that is a sort of hybrid between Basic and C++...you can code just about anything you want, and compile it for solaris, BSD, linux, m$windows, etc... including GUI, Text, or CGI apps. (single executibles for you windows fans!)
I've been using it in it's Beta form for over a year now and have been testing and participating in it's development. It's a closed source language, open licensing and is FREEWARE. It's extremely stable as well.
Seriously, I'm entering the contest and writing in RapidQ.
Check it out http://www.basicguru.com/abc/rapidq
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Didn't you take 6.170 and learn to play AntiChess? (If you don't get this, I can't explain it to you...)
This contest isn't just about producing the required result in the quickest amount of time. Points also get awarded for elegance and hack value -- after all, you do have humans judging the winners, and humans can be swayed by rather subjective criteria. Just look at the "Judges' Prize" winner
(scroll down) for 1998, which was written in J, of all languages.
a bunch of complete losers, with no social life to speak of
and your point is.... ?
Practically nobody here has mentioned that this contest is supposed to be for functional programming languages. Good examples of this are ML, O'Caml, and Haskell.
;)
They'll let you enter in whatever language you want, but you'd probably get beaten up at the ICFP (International Conference on Functional Programming) if you displayed your entry in something like C or Perl.
BTW, some EXTREMELY talented hackers (the kind that make me fall to my knees and cry when I hear their names) have entered and won this in the past, so good luck if you plan on entering!
HTML/JavaScript "Jammers" aren't useful except to speed up page loading; utilities exist (e.g. BBEdit on Mac OS) to format HTML/JavaScript all nice and pretty...
Perl supports full closures and anonymous functions. It may not be a "real" functional language, but it isn't officially anything other than darned handy to have around...
You can certainly program Perl in a functional style.
Cheers,
Ben
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hmmmm, taking this to the next level would yield wine running a vb program *shudder*.
but probably not a bad idea for people out there who really want to run win32 programs.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
So their tastes are imperative as well as fickle, in some years.
Cilk is pretty cool, actually. When I saw that it won so easily, I downloaded and played with it. Didn't use it for anything really cool, though.
Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.
...the biggest losers are the ones who will surely get first place :)
Slashdot 's editors are dickheads
fool! functional programming can be done in any language. you get the "elmer award" for your fudliness.
The ultimate challenge is for someone to win with something written in APL. Then not only will they have proven themselves truly gifted coders, but then we can have a contest to see if people can figure out what they wrote!
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If someone (or a team) solves the challenge task in FP or ICON, I'll be impressed! Even if they don't win, that's worth bragging rights...
Kierthos
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
--Dave
I'm gonna submit mine in brainfuck. Just to get the contest blacklisted by censorware idiots.
-- Jeff Paulsen
Last year a friend of mine and I entered this, having looked at the first years contest, we thought, "Hey, we can do that!" Unfortunately, the second year's contest was, um, HARDER! We didn't finnish, but we did get a LOT better with the memory alocation after that experience. Wish I had time to do this this year.
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When there will be a slashdot trolling contest?
We must know these things in the post-columbine era. It is our geek heritage.
On a different note:
does anyone think entering good old obfuscated C is a good idea?
jonkatz@slashdot.org
dd/sh don't you?
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Yeah, that probably wouldn't go over well here, but I'm sure it is possible, depending on the application and how much fancy stuff you put in like ActiveX controls and all that fun stuff. If it's kept fairly simple, then I would think it'd run okay. I've never tried it before, but as long as it has the vbrunXXX.dll it should work.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
So what kind of programs do you think are going to win a contest called the International Conference on Functional Programming Contest? Hmmmn, maybe programs in functional languages? Let's look at past years' results: From 1999:
(italics theirs), and again: (italics and formatting theirs). Lest you think the contest used to be biased, look at the results from 1998. These ones have a refreshing touch of objectivity, since the challenge was to produce a chess program, and entries were judged by playing each other. Still, look at these glowing elegies of functional programming: (So their tastes are fickle as well as biased.) Though the second-place prize had several strong contenders in non-functional languages like C, all the praise went to another functional program: So C held its own, thought OCaml came out in the end. Still, as you would expect by now, all of the praise is reserved for OCaml: Is it really? The games were not timed. Furthermore, we know from the nature of the contest that performance is not an issue; only winning counts. Is this just a sloppy use of language, or an unsubstantiated statement that shows again the judges' bias?Of course, they take some extra time to pile more praise on functional languages in the third-place winner, and on the remaining entry:
and, of the functional programming language J, used by a single entry that won an honorable mention:So there you have it. I think these comments show a strong enough bias toward functional programming, and against C in particular, that I would not trust the judges. I am not saying that FP is necessary worse than other programming paradigms or languages; in fact, I happen to think that functional programming is a cool idea. Tools like OCaml may in fact be superior to C (and my personal favorite, Perl). However, I don't see this contest as anything approaching a fair test of whether that is true. I definitely wouldn't waste my efforts entering this contest with anything but an FP language-- which hesitance, of course, perpetuates the bias of the contest.
Judge for yourself, but I say this is a self- congratulation-fest for functional programmers and a dubious test of the true value of FP.
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I don't see fortran anywhere. I don't see a hex editor either. And what if I wanted to code in assembly for a R1000 CPU? At least they have vi.
Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
All kidding aside, I'm not even sure Slashdot's lameness filter will let brainfuck code through. [brainfuck quine deleted] Nope, it gets "Ascii Art. How creative. Not here though.. You'll just have to follow the link on your own.
(BTW, that was a really lame troll.)
The FP in ICFP stands for functional programming. It's a programming contest designed to flex functional programming languages, and promote their use. Deal with it. The reason they let any language enter is that everyone might not be so privvy to functional programming.
Part of the first prize is that the judges will say "[insert winning programming language] is the programming language of choice for discriminating hackers." Something similar for second prize.
So, yes they're biased towards functional programming languages. Deal.
Beer wants to be free
taking this to the next level would yield wine running a vb program
;)
I was thinking of asking about feasibility of running a vb program on linux, but I didn't think that would go over to well with this crowd.
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
...is to design and implement the language you're using. The 1999 winners were the authors of OCaml, GHC, and HBC.
The 1998 winners built Cilk.
Yes, I love and use LISP.. And have registered myself for the contest. if you want to join me, bounce me an email..
(Though I do wish that they had CMUCL on their machine. It's still the most sophisticated and fastest lisp compiler out there... It's comparable in speed to C, with all the plusses of LISP.)
That's a scheme program, it's not common lisp.
Three days of amphetamine fueled creative rage, just what I need after meeting that deadline Friday afternoon. Hope the cash awards offset the cost. ;)
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Those guys at microsoft makee greet softwares. So leave them alones since they should be mentioned anyways. MIcrosoft is great in that they can competers so easiee to use. I knows because Im an mcse!
Its great certificationes programs like mcse that makes 5th grade dropouts like myself sucessfull.
Oh I am very smarts and thet is why I left 5th grade earlier to persue my mcse certification. The mcse is whole lots more changeling then reel college wark! and vb is the vest!
Vb is so powerful that I can crete something called a loop so that my computer here can make descisions by looking comparing variiables. Try doing this MR Dennis Ritchie and Linus Trovalds, I bet you cants loop. That is truee jhacking I bet whole os's llike windows could totally be written in vb!
Thanks you bill gates for inventing loops and real objects languages like vb that are truely objet oriented unlike c++ which just supports moduleses.
Oh god...don't let "Vladinator" win.
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Attention all planets of the Solar Federation! We have assumed control! - Neil Peart
now, i remember back in the day, their was a programming contest that put a limit on the size of the program. they had a website that listed the winners and the programs... quite impressive to say the least. i think they would have a 100k limit and the program would have a few 3d boxes with realtime lighting and shading, dancing around and morphing.... something like that. but the winners were EXTREMELY talented, does anyone know where that website is and if they still hold their contest?
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I don't know if anybody is still reading the comments here; I'm going to make a similar post on a usenet group or two.
Anyway, I'd like to form a team and do it! Yeah, I know that I should have put a team together before the contest, but I thought I might be able to do the whole thing myself. Fortunately, the task divides neatly into two or three (mostly) independent parts, so that teammates won't need to be in close contact with each other.
This paragraph won't make a lot of sense unless you've read the task description, so do that now if you haven't already. My plan is to write (in Perl, because it's the rapid-prototyping language I'm most familiar with) a program to translate GML into C. This code will be compiled and linked with the actual rendering code, which will be written by someone else on the team. I'm assuming that the procedural texturing precludes the use of canned open-source code. A third teammate should write GML code to thoroughly test both the translator and the renderer. Of course, there may be more than one person on each task. Please contact me if you're interested in joining my team, or if you have any useful suggestions.
Note: I will probably not be able to answer my mail until after midnight tonight. I probably won't have time to post this to usenet, so feel free to post a copy of this (together with an explanation of what the contest is all about) to all appropriate newsgroups.
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Just curious what the previous tasks were.... Anyone have last year's info?
Oh, wait. Heh. It's not installed on any machines.
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hey! that was not supposed to be anonymous.
Take a look at Jammer. It does C/C++ in addition to html and javascript. I don't have any experience with running it on linux, though, so your mileage may vary.
Anyone got a C# compiler for Linux yet? 'Cause I know it would beat the pants off of any other language available. I read this on a really colorful, shiny page in my trade journal just yesterday.