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Slashback: Reconciliation, Passportation, Inflation
Reconciliation among comics and gnomes. CaptainCarrot writes: "In today's Penny Arcade newspost, Tycho continues the discussion on Scott McCloud's piece on micropayments. He has moderated his tone considerably from his original rant on the subject, and offered his apologies for, as he puts it, having misjudged McCloud. During their phone conversations, the two apparently came to some meeting of the minds. Here's yesterdays Slashback on the topic, and the two prior relevant discussions."
On a similar note, in response to the recent story on Gnome losing its 2.0 package maintainer, an Anonymous Coward wrote:"Here's the first chapter in the rest of the story. In short, the guy who quit, returned."
Perhaps they'll be offering student visas. Mike Schiraldi writes: "MSDN users aren't the only ones who have to use Passport. When i bought a Dell computer this January, it came with a "free" (i.e. included in the price of the machine) year of MSN. I went to set up POP, and found out that MSN no longer supports POP for new subscribers. We have to use a secret Passport protocol that only the new Outlook Express can speak. I fought with customer service, and spoke with many levels of tech support, and believe me, they're not budging."
Is this because a Real Doll would be too heavy? Hanford writes: "Looks like this checklist for a simulated Mars mission includes a few comforts from Earth. Check out the last two items. Remember this is from nasa.gov :)"
And since you won't be on camera nearly as much as the astronauts in the various earth-orbiting devices are, this might be more practical than aloft. Remember those vinyl patches, too.
GNOME troubles are not over. Recently, John Barrow resigned from the GNOME community. Also recently, we learned that Red Hat is working on a light-weight component system called the Hub to replace Bonobo. Ximian is not amused, let me tell you. This behind the scenes infighting is what led to the resignation that was highly publicized but never properly explained here.
... and the real story is this:
We have 3 kinds of MSN:
1. Just plain old MSN
2. DellNet by MSN
3. Compaq.net by MSN
Every user of any of them starts off with a POP3 email account, MSN version 5.4 and lower uses POP3, MSN version 6.0 and higher (MSN Explorer, which DellNet users get installed on the system) will convert the POP3 account to web based (hotmail basically) if the user logs into his account through the software.
ALL web based email accounts CAN BE ROLLED BACK TO POP3 but ONLY over the phone by technical support, however, we are *not allowed* to do it for anyone who has never used 5.4 or an earlier version of the software.
This is how you get your account rolled back:
Call up tech support, tell them you were using 5.0 of the software and were using pop3 email but installed the MSN Explorer and didn't like it. Say you want to go back to pop3 and you saw, (these are the magic words right here) on support services, that if you called they can roll it back, if they ask you if you have DellNet by MSN say *no* and they will roll it back to pop3.
So get a yahoomail account. Or hotmail.
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hmm interesting.
I've been programming the Express 2000 WebStorage, which uses WebDav among other things. I don't think the open source community sees what is coming at them this time. Workflow Designer, WebStorage, folders as automatical page builders, and other things. Ximian may be looking at the wrong place, we may not need an Outlook clone as much as we need an Exchange clone.
We'll see. Now I get to do the same thing in PHP and I'll see how they both stand up. Right now Exchange is kicking our tails with this problem and that. Its a good idea in theory, and it is its first iteration.
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I was at apachecon in march and Greig Stein (author of mod_dav for apache) said that Microsoft is actually using the web dav protocal in place of SMTP and POP in Outlook express for Hotmail.
Maybe MSN is moving to this style of accessing mail. I guess by using dav on the servers the can handle alot more users easier.
He also said that a MS dude even posted what URL to use to fetch the mail on the mod_dav list. I thought it was pretty cool to see that MS was actaully using open protocals, albeit in a weird way (=
ten packs of chewing gum
one revolver
four nylons
one standard issue prophelactic
A fella' could have a good time on Mars with all this stuff!
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
Try http://www.freewaytech.com. Fully customizable, and just about the cheapest prices you can get (note: I've never bought from them).
Many free OS users don't want to build their own system. I used to build boxen myself, but now I simply don't have the time for it.
I like being able to give someone my credit card number and get an assembled, configured machine in return. I save money that way, because my time is money. Even more important, when something breaks, I call the vendor and they fix it. I save even more money that way.
Too bad VA is leaving the hardware business. I'll have to go with Dell or IBM or one of those other vendors that "sort of" supports linux, on some of their machines.
I've built my share of PCs from parts, but I realize that a reputable pre-built machine has value added in the engineering and testing performed by the manufacturer. I don't have to worry about whether the components are compatible with each other and the operating system. There is a single point-of-contact for maintenance, technical support, software/firmware updates and parts.
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You need to get your facts straight. I can get Microsoft Internet Explorer for Solaris, and it works just fine.
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
However, MSN hasn't made their isp business based on the "closed circuit" model, previously supporting (and still supporting for old customers) the standard: pop. The fact that they are moving *away* from an open standard to a closed one, and that they are one of the largest isps, is definite and legitimate cause for concern and/or outcry. OTOH, if they had started out "AOL-like", this *wouldn't* have even made it to a slashback, because it wouldn't be news.
HTH,
I don't know as I'd consider any adult in the prime of their life who could go 3+ years without sexual release to be particularly sane. Or were you just thinking they'd send an equal balance of the sexes so that no one needs any sex toys?
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As seen in a post yesterday, although I haven't used them yet: www.pogolinux.com
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No, no no NO NO NO! Teflon (PTFE) was not invented by NASA. Teflon was not even invented by someone else for the space program. Teflon was "invented" by accident at DuPont in 1938
(to be truly anal, I should be using the ® mark after Teflon, but I'm not. Neener-neener-neener.)
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Monopoly on OS -> They can dictate terms to OEMs -> People who buy computers find a year of MSN bundled with them
Monopoly on OS -> They can make the system pre-configured to guide the user right to MSN, while keeping all other icons, like AOL, off the desktop
Next come instant messaging and multimedia. I say MS controls both by this time next year.
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They're not a waste they're a storage system.
The two most common things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Actually NASA had nothing to do with popularizing the use of teflon (PTFE). Dupont had discovered it in the late 1930s but the US Government classified it during WWII because it was used to coat the interior of pipes used in gaseous uranium separation for the Manhattan project. For building an atomic bomb you only want one of the uranium isotopes, and the way that the Manhattan project separated it was by turning the uranium into a gas, by reacting it with fluoride. The problem is that uranium hexafluoride is extremely reactive and would erode through steel pipe, so the pipes were lined with teflon to prevent this.
In the 1960s a french chemist independently rediscovered teflon (PTFE) and sold it to a french company who produced pots and pans for use as a non-stick coating. Rumor is that the US government flipped when they discovered that their top secret material for uranium processing was being sold on frying pans in the local Sears.
It wasn't an accedent 444444 was taken
http://Lenny.com
if you notice he was replying to the comment that this was no different to AOL but AOL gives you the choice to use a web browser
http://Lenny.com
Should mod up that comment as "Funny" since the Passport required by MSN is essentially a hotmail.com account!
The whole reason the new MSN doesnt support POP3 is because the MSN mail system has been migrated to the Hotmail backend that manipulates the email over an HTTP interface.
They're simply consolidating the mail services the provide to their customers into one solution rather than several.
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Heh. It'd be really useful information like
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. I'm all out of bubblegum." MSE USC APX AIA CSI CASp
Yeah, read the fine print then before you spend $$!
maybe OT:
I recently had an offer from my bank to do internetbanking. I read the fine print and I found out that they didn't support Mozilla (not even for Windows). I wrote them back:
I'm sorry but I'm not in the possession of a Windows computer nor am I able to use one. I therefore regret that I can't use [internetservice].
Unfortunately (because of security and financial reasons) I cannot upgrade to Windows OS now or in the future.
I would like to see support for my browser and operating system (Mozilla/Linux). They support SSL as mentioned on your website so it should be possible. Actually I don't see the problem of not supporting Mozilla by ABN-Amro in the first place.
Internetbanking certainly is something that I want to work with. If ABN-Amro would not support this and another bank would this would be a reason for me to join the other bank after a while. I really hope that I can stay a client because I joined this bank because it was client-friendly. I hope I won't have to change my mind, s. yours....
I think this is a way of handling things concrete but resolute. Maybe the guy shouldn't have bought the computer and email them why.
nosig today
NT on AXP was a promising project. Digital did a lot of good work on the FX!32 x86 emu stuff. Unfortunately, it was not ready, it got pushed out, and it was a poor deployment platform.
Further, the partnership between Digital (later Compaq) and M$ was problematic... Digital was doing a good chunk of the porting work - M$ sent them code modifications, they got the code mods to work on AXP. Apparently there was an unmanageable amount of code churn in the base NT system.
Eventually, both companies decided the project wasn't worth the hassle, given the decidedly lacklustre sales and interest.
I worked with NT-AXP for about a year. We then moved those machinesw to Tru64 (shitty answer, I know, but better than NT-AXP).
Fetchmail is essential, but its existence doesn't mean the deal isn't a con, unless they are PAYING to support fetchmail's development and offering it as a solution for accessing their mail server.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
That's the great thing about Windows XP, as soon as you figure out one protocol, they'll change it and upgrade all the users instantly. You'll never be able to stay on top of it!
Where does SPA fit into this? My unterstanding was that they would only allow POP if authenticated through SPA - which means you have to use some flavor of outlook.
It would be great if they allowed pure POP3 but I can't believe it.
The difference is, AOL has *never* supported email thru anything but their own client, and I gather MSN has recently *changed* things so POP mail is no more. How would you like it if your ISP did that to you?
I can tell you how I'd react -- I'd find a different ISP, or go back to getting *all* my mail thru our BBS.
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If they had ever seen the Ugly Kid Joe video "(I Hate) Everything about You", they would know that you can use a blow up doll as a kite. Leave the kite behind and make room for those 2 liters of alcohol!
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We shouldnt be sending people who'll need their booze and blowup dolls by any means.
If you had ever met any Marines or oil rig miners you would know that those two sentences are self-contradictory.
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If you don't like the service ... then don't use their service.
I agree. However, you missed the point. The whole reason he's miffed is that he paid for something and didn't get what he expected. Whether his expectations were created by actual advertisement or were his own idea is not presented here.
Either way, he bought a Windows PC that came with a bundle of crudware. He should have expected to pay for something he didn't want.
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"People shouldn't hate microsoft..."
Well guess what buddy, I not gonna do what you're suggesting I do... you sound like Micro$haft running in here ordering people around.
I hate Micro$haft, and I'm not going to hide my hatred of Micro$haft. I will do what I please, and that includes any and every irrational act based on my hatred of all things Micro$haft.
Put that in your suggestion box.
oh....my!
Once again, Microsoft wants to do services that only work with Microsoft software. POP is simple and efficient. If they wanted to increase security, they could just have upgraded to APOP or Imap. Almost all clients support these protocols.
But they are somewhat shooting themselves in the foot. Not every Windows users wants (or is able) to upgrade Outlook. I guess their hotline will get a lot of calls, and they may go back to some standard protocol then.
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Its not that complicated folks
It's simplistic, even!
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
From WHERE exactly can I buy those machines please ?
Check out the Dell Poweredge 300SC. I just bought one (they were $100 cheaper last month) and I am really happy with it. All told, including tax, shipping, and one gig of RAM from Crucial, I spent $1120 for a P3/800, 40G IDE disk, and that sleek black case that I can I completely take apart without a screwdriver.
And there's no Microsoft tax.
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>Reasonable (and legal!) quantities of food items may be brought along for personal use or sharing.
I'm just wondering one thing here: Could I bring some space-cake(both for personal use and for sharing)? it's illegal in the US... but not everywhere. And I guess getting the munchies is a big nono on a mission to mars
//rdj
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I've bought (the parts for) my last two machines at Computer Renassance (that's compren.com for the url/spelling challenged). I put together the hardware I wanted at the price I wanted to pay, and didn't buy any software I didn't want.
I have no connection with them except as a satisfied customer.
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It still isn't news worthy of an outcry. MSN, whether you like it or not, is yet another company exercising control over a computer system THEY own. How they've done it up until now is totally irrelevant. The fact that they are owned by Microsoft also does not make it news, nor make it worthy of an outcry.
If you are an MSN customer and you don't like this, you have two options, 1) move to another ISP, or 2) start your own damned ISP (and then we'll see how you feel about others telling you how to run equipment you own).
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
My question is why should people hate Microsoft at all? I think they should just avoid them. If enough people do this, Microsoft will go away by itself...
> ... server-class machine (available for under $1000) ... saving $800 ...
From WHERE exactly can I buy those machines please ? I'd like to get - like - a dozen of those server-class machines with no O/S on them. Today. Now. While supplies last.
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I think a more accurate analogy would be:
If your computer came with (i.e. you paid for) a year's supply of dog food, but they waited for your check to clear and then told you that you have to take their dog that shits on your rug in order to get the food, would you expect any recourse?
I would.
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"dont' buy products from them indirectly"
:)
You do realize that's next-to-impossible sometimes
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Remember this is from nasa.gov
:-)
Not *just* NASA. It's on a gov't site, but the other project involved is FMARS, which is private. It isn't all tax dollars at work, so I suppose that justifies the departure from the usual NASA drollness. Non-profits can't afford not to have a sense of humor.
I think what's interesting are the shotgun classes.
FMARS is the Flashline Mars Analog Research Station, which is a project of The Mars Society (Flashline is the name sponsor for the mission). It is a simulated Mars base. There is an article about it in the print version of this month's Scientific American.
This is one of The Mars Society's projects for establishing a human presence on Mars. There will be a series of these simulated bases placed in analogous Mars environments throughout the world. The first is on Devon Island in the Canadian Arctic. The next will be placed in the American Southwest. Currently it is on exhibit at the Kennedy Space Center Visitors' Center. It will begin its field season this September in the desert.
Additionally, The Mars Society has a prototype pressurized Mars rover program. It also has a trust fund established to raise money for a privately funded mission to establish a permanent presence on Mars. It may take a century or two of saving, but The Mars Society will *do* it.
Hehe, Dude, you from Jersey or somthing?
If you want to do Linux or any other non-monopoly OS, you'll want to build yourself. Yes yes, I know, you don't want to learn how to build a computer. So get your geekly friend to do it for you. Many of them are happy to do it for just the cost of the hardware because it gives them a chance to show off. If you really dig it, get them to teach you how to go about it. It isn't that hard and once you've lost your fear that you'll destroy your expensive hardware, you've conquered the hardest part.
Don't have a geekly friend? Come on! You read Slashdot! Don't lie to me, now...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I'll grant you, it's a lot harder. I've been wanting to build a wearable for a while now but I've been waiting for the HMD technology to improve a bit. If I need a laptop in the mean time, I believe I can get IBM to bundle Linux on one for me.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Reconciliation makes the news! :) I'm glad to see some good vibes going around.
I agree, even though on a technical note Windows NT is supported on Alpha too.
Forget Arthur C. Clarke, this is the real 2001:
Oh my God! It's Full Of SPAM!
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
I really thought this was real, until I saw the Babbage CPU model.. Guess not :-( Also, they didn't mention if the hair is regrowable. What do you do with it the first time you shave it? Seems like a more expensive proposition to me..
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A friend of mine got sick of our university's clunky email server, so he figured out (ok, reverse engineered) the HTTPMail protocol that Hotmail uses. He wrote a proxy server, initially in perl, and more recently in ruby, which allows you to point your mail client at your local machine and it will proxy requests to the HTTPmail server (i.e., Hotmail). It's OSS and hosted on SourceForge. Give it a try. It beats whining on /. about not being about to use POP3.
oh, this is about microsoft's passport system? uhm, same thing applies, just get a different passport (account) w/ a different provider (isp).
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You buy the machine, you get the service for free AND it is conspicuous on the desktop. If y ou want anything else, you don't just have to pay for it -- you have to hunt it down, and install it.
If you use their service for a year, by the time you have to renew, you have a choice of learning new software (and possibly loosing easy access to your old email and email addresses, etc.) or just paying the piper and getting on with life.
Most newbies are just going to stay with Microsoft.
And if you do something silly like installing Linux on your box, they'll have to get a new email address to use under linux (another tie-down to Linux).
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Sometimes they are acknowledging that other people own the territory now. You can try and stop us, if you want, they may imply, but you'll loose the war.
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They're not really on Mars; they're in the Arctic.
Check out my HTTPMail project which is a client for the HTTPMail protocol used by Outlook Express for Hotmail and MSN mail. There's even a POP3 proxy.
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Which would be even more of a real disincentive if that expulsion involved an airlock, halfway to Mars. (Though expulsion above the Artic circle is no joke, either.)
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And for the commercial... "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful... Hate me for ripping your heart out with a rusty spoon and spitting on it."
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Kill -9 'em all, let root@localhost sort 'em out.
Who's going to Mars? The post is about a trip to the arctic.
> We shouldnt be sending people who'll need their booze and blowup dolls by any means.
For any potential Mars mission no one who "needs" booze and blow-up dolls would be selected. Luxury items will certianly be included, however, since the crew will have to stay sane, comfortable, and amicable on the 3+ years the mission would take.
>We should be sending Marines there and oil rig miners...
Oh, like in Aliens and Armageddon!
> Dont think their aren't sci fi hacks who couldnt get published sitting at CIA analyst desks right now thinking about this stuff.
...or posting on Slashdot. I'm sorry... why on Earth (or Mars) would the CIA care about the social dynamics of a colony that won't even exist for at least a century?
Wow, now that sounds like fun. M$ dicides to break pop, why becouse standards dont matter. Well lets take them to task. Many of the .NET features(bugs)
will do this. The way I see it is we must crack/hack/document the M$ secrets, then write a compatibality layer. So a proxy that will talk M$ crap on one side and standard POP+SSL on the other side is a good start!
I guess they haven't heard of the "Real Doll" over at NASA yet.
pricewatch.com does have ads for "bare bones" laptops that, IIRC, go as stripped down as "screen,case,mobo,power supply." Add your own HDD, RAM, etc. With laptops, the case and mobo are usually designed together (I'm not aware of a standard), and the video/sound pretty much have to be onboard, so it'd be tough to buy less than that.
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Its very simple: if you want MSN, you must use Outlook Express or a web-based interface.
Both choices make it prohibitively difficult or impossible to filter spam.
1) Buy a Dell
Like Gateway is any better <cough>AOL</cough>.
2) Choose Windows on that Dell rather than Linux
A Dell box with Linux actually costs more (MS tax per box Dell ships whether or not Windows is installed, plus Linux media and printed manual costs), and the kids will eat you alive if you don't get them a new game machine, which Linux isn't at this writing.
3) Choose to use the included MSN
When the only other online provider in your area is America Online?
So move.
Give me a break.
4) Choose to use MSN e-mail instead of a thirty-party mail sever
The affordable POP3 and IMAP mail providers don't advertise much; how are the consumers to blame for not knowing that they even exist?
5) Chosoe to continue to use MSN even after learning it was non-compatible.
Again, the only other choice whose modem is not a pay-per-minute long-distance call (i.e. America Online) is even worse.
dont' buy products from them indirectly (ala Dell)
Name one company selling x86 architecture workstations to the home market who is not subject to the Microsoft tax.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Why should anyone care if Microsoft requires you to use their products when you use their ISP?
Because Microsoft is in monopolistic bed with the spammers, and you can't read hotspam if you're using a POP3 or IMAP MUA with good filters (which Outhouse Express lacks).
Because Microsoft products don't run on anything but i686 architecture machines, and if you don't already have an i686, prepare to fork over $1,000 for a new computer. (I'm not sure if Outhouse Express for the Mac supports the brand-new protocol.)
Will I retire or break 10K?
...then why do you care how you get your MSN mail anyway?
Just do the same thing I used to do with Lotus Notes at work--use it for the "required" company BS, use real mail to do real work.
If MSN sends you privacy notices, billing info, things like that, then you have to read your MSN e-mail, but you should be able to filter out everything that doesn't come from them and/or just check it once in a while to make sure you aren't being charged for scratching your butt. If you never give out your MSN address, then you know that everything else that comes there is spam.
Use real mail for everything else. Is it a PiTA? Yes, but what did you expect from a freebie given away with a box for promotional reasons?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Fetchmail can load mail from Compuserve's servers. It has a special protocol built in to do this.
I've been told that this also works with MSN, but requires some tweaking.
When I saw the department thingy under the headline, I immediately thought "Flash file extension" and not "single white female." Is this as bad as I imagine it to be?
I do think Dell has some of the sexiest server cases out there...
Dell does seem to be pretty good about the commodity thing, apart from their obsessive reliance on Intel. I am inclined to agree though that you're better off going small-time or self-built sometimes.
/Brian
The thing about Sony's systems is that they're so proprietary that getting Linux on them is something of a challenge. It's a psychological thing -- by buying a LavenderPlasticBox and throwing Linux on it, some people probably feel that they're repudiating proprietary business models in their own way.
Me, personally... now that the PC subnotebook market has opened up again, I'd just as soon buy one from Gateway if I was going to. Theirs are just as slick and a lot less proprietary. (Though I'd go for the iBook first, just like you...)
The thing about laptops that surprises me -- how is it that we don't see partially-assembled systems with power circuits and such where all you need to do is add a motherboard and hard drive? (Or do we? I never see such things in Computer Shopper...) It would seem like a pretty obvious thing to do.
/Brian
If you really care, they use a diluted primer as a buffer between the two materials.
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No, no no NO NO NO! Teflon (PTFE) was not invented by NASA. Teflon was not even invented by someone else for the space program. Teflon was "invented" by accident at DuPont in 1938
I didn't say they invented it, of had it invented for them. However they brought it to us, no matter where it came from originally. It was NASA's use of it that popularised PTFE and its related fluoropolymers, at least in this part of the world. You couldn't get Teflon anything here until the late '80s or so, at least that I'm aware of.
Of course, your mileage may vary. Given that it had been around for about forty years (as a trademarked product) before then, it's quite likely that American markets would have got such consumer products considerably earlier.
Here, not there. US != World. Please make an attempt to read what I write.
Hmm. And to think, it was NASA that brought us such useful substances as teflon, which makes for easy-clean, non-stick surfaces...
Then again, if a RealDoll's too heavy, I'm sure they could get by with a RealHamster instead.
Should have read (might as well go all the way):
Funny, you think that on a real mission they'd want to conserve oxygen, not waste it on those dolls... (Robert Schimmel joke: "Inflatable love doll - she never has a headache! Yeah, but you do after blowing her up...) I wonder if they have NASA-approved sex toys...?
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Thats why we get upset.
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I also think australia was a penal colony, not a marine outpost, where you got transfered to after you pissed someone important off.
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but if you can bring 2 liters of any alcohol, you might as well bring 2 liters on moonshine, a few packs of coolaid, some sugar and make "nuclear slurpies". That'll warm you up on a cold night...
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Look. MSN and Outlook Express are two separate applications. Microsoft is telling users if they want to use one, they have to use the other as well.
That's software bundling and that's monopolistic.
Are you claiming MS controls the e-mail market?
Not yet they don't, but they seem to be working on it...
-Poot
(PS: IANAL)
If you don't like the service that Microsoft is offering--that is, if you want POP3 access and they won't give it to you--then don't use their service.
Sheesh, it's not like Microsoft already has a monopoly on email.
So you got a year's free access, and you feel you have to use it? If your computer came with a year's supply of dog food, would you eat it just because you don't have a dog?
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All but God can prove this sentence true.
I'd switch. What, MSN users can't find another ISP among the thousands in business?
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RTFJ.
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A strongly recommended item. Garmin and Magellan are among the more reliable brands. "Selective availability" is no longer a limitation. If you have a GPS receiver, be sure you know how to use it if navigating with it."
Somebody please explain how GPS would work on Mars? (i.e. without an existing network of orbiting satellites)
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'miners' and 'drillers' and 'oil rig drillers' often are all the same people, working for different companies. My father has done all of the above.
and in order to find a place to put a mine, you first put in a drill rig to get core samples.. so you do in effect get the rocks out of the rig!
Oh, and No I will not get one of those gay "ooh, I want that one cause it's got lavender plastic on it" VAIOS just b/c they have somehow become the cool thing to put linux on as if Sony wasn't one of the most Microsoft-wannabe companies out there (don't get me started on how they got Trinitron or their many shitty tactics with PS2 buildup).
Literally ; )
No sig for you.
If you buy a PowerEdge server-class machine (available for under $1000), you have the option of saving $800 by having it shipped with no operating system, or having RedHat 7 pre-installed at no charge.
Call me sappy, but I'm happy that Tycho and Scott came to an understanding. It's always irritating to me when two creative people that I respect start squabbling.
I'm sorry that Mr. McCloud took it so hard, though. Tycho has a habit of flying off the handle and then calming down and talking rationally afterwards. Remember when he blew up at Scott Kurtz? Everyone ended up friends in the end. I think we could all take a lesson from this, though. Watch what you say in anger. The damage can't always be repaired.
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Dont send all that stuff to Mars with these people, folks..really.
We have two ways of developing Mars- tourist method and productive method. In the tourist method, the luxuries from Earth are imported to hermetically sealed hotels, and, like "ecotourists," those who are on Mars are enjoying it for its pristine nature.
The productive method is prefarable; through grueling work over centuries, Mars is terraformed to bring a less exotic but more profound benefit to all humanity.
We should be sending Marines there and oil rig miners- people who are used to very extreme conditions and will relish the hardship and use it as an incentive to change the red planet to something habitable for human life.
We shouldnt be sending people who'll need their booze and blowup dolls by any means.
Of course, a Spartan existence for Mars colonists may encourage a nascent nationalism among them- even a desire for eventual independence from Earth. That's why Earth will want them as dependent on luxuries as possible- to affect their deep politics and character.
Dont think their aren't sci fi hacks who couldnt get published sitting at CIA analyst desks right now thinking about this stuff.
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If I understand the MSN FAQ cited above, the proprietary protocol doesn't even support Outlook, just Outlook Express. (One difference between these is that Outlook stores your old emails on your own hard drive. Express stores them on the server only.)
They are going to somewhere in the Arctic, maybe Devon Island (Canadian, NW of Greenland if I remember right), where conditions are as Mars-like as possible without spaceflight. OK, the air is still breathable (except a sudden inhalation through the mouth could frost-bite your lungs), and the gravity is wrong, but temperature and terrain are similar, and we've got to train somehow before the real thing.
AOL is most likely turning into a bigger monopoly than microsoft. They are partnered up with time warner which controls many major news medias. AOL probably controls a big chunk of the worlds internet access also. Most non computer savvy people choose aol as their isp because of its supposed user friendliness.
Microsoft is in business to make money, so why should they let you access your MSN email without using a Microsoft email product? That way, they reap the monopolist benefits coming and going. Especially in this situation, where you're stuck with MSN. With the courts unwilling to stop Microsoft, this kind of thing may go on for a long time.
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huh, if teflon is so non-stick how do they get it to stick to the pan?
you can check your AOL mail from AOL.com with any web browser.
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it said it was taken when I tried it :-(
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I have had similar experiences with compuserve 2000...they use proprietary protocols, so you cannot connect in linux. These so called `ISP's are just con-artists.
We're talking PoP mail. You can do the same thing with Hotmail.
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful...
but for Bill Gates it would be:
Don't hate me because I'm evil. Hate me because I want to squash you like a bug.
Big shock. Why should anyone care if Microsoft requires you to use their products when you use their ISP? Where are the articles about AOL requiring you to use their client software to get mail?
Look, there is plenty to get irritated about with Microsoft. They are very predatory with their licensing and the way they bully their partners. Wouldn't it make more sense to attack the things that are almost universally decried rather than attacking everything MS does and look "anti-microsoft"?
People shouldn't hate microsoft because of who they are but rather hate the specific things they do are wrong. It's counterproductive to seek out issues that will detract from the primary point that Microsoft uses licensing, bundling, and bullying to keep its suppliers in line and crush the competitors.
Again, this is no different than what AOL does.