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Tux Racer 1.0 To Be Closed Source, Windows Only
rubberpaw (J. Nathan Matias) writes: "Sunspire Studios is going to release Tux Racer 1.0 as a closed source, commercial product. Tux Racer is the Free Software community's premier 3d game, and I only found out about the future closed-source release in emails from Sunspire. They are following the procedures of relicensing allowed from the GPL, so everything is legal. In response to this, I have started a project called Open Racer whose purpose is to continue development of the GPL Tux Racer. Sunspire is ok (and, I believe, happy) with everything so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0. It's my goal to develop the project in a different direction in accordance with Sunspire's wishes, but I'm still looking for ideas at this point." See this Newsforge story for more details.Update: 08/02 09:55 PM by T : According to the Sunspire site, the eventual retail version of Tux Racer will have binary versions for Windows and Linux, "(and most likely the Macintosh)." The OEM version in the works, however, is presently Windows-only.
Matias writes: "Sunspire is ok (and, I believe, happy) with everything so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0. It's my goal to develop the project in a different direction in accordance with Sunspire's wishes, but I'm still looking for ideas at this point."
Also, he's looking for a new maintainer -- if this project grabs your attention, pop him an email.
Linus owns the copyrights on both Linux and Tux the penguin. Don't allow them to use it, plain and simple.
If "release the first buggy version as GPL" became common in commercial software, it would be an improvement, not a reason to cry in your beer.
> I think he can relicense his software, but the better question is: how can an author relicense all the bug patches and fixes made by others?
:-) ). This is also a reason, I guess, why there is some duplication of work, in the free software world. For die-hard RMS fans, only FSF assigned code is safe (And I think they are right, but that's a personal opinion)
If contributions are small (bug fixes), then the GPL doesn't apply to them
For bigger contribution (ie: portion of the code where he is no longer the copyright owner), than he would have a problem, unless he asked that the copyright had to be assigned to him (very unlikely). So I guess all the code is from him, with small bug fixes from external developers.
Try to contribute to a FSF project (not only a GPLed project, a FSF, RMS stamped project). Little patches (non-significant amount of code) are copyrighted by the person that applies them (ie: not the one that submitted).
As soon as you want to contribute a bigger piece of code, you have to assign the copyright to the FSF (which implies signing a document saying that all your contribution to project foo belong to the FSF, and snail-mailing it).
The fact that the FSF is the sole copyright owner of those big free software projects would probably prove to be particuliary usefull if the GPLed was invalidated in court (or if RMS decided to make big bucks
Note that the linux kernel take the exact opposite approach. Every contributror retain its copyright, which means that the linux kernel will not ever be re-licensed. If a mess ever happen (and with the millions of dollars spent against free software, it is probably only a question of time), then, well, it'll be a mess.
Cheers,
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Isn't supposed to improve the products?
I think it would be healthy for both versions to be in direct competition with one another, that way both teams would be motivated to enhance their version. You may argue that this would cannibalize the sales, but then sunspire has more resources than the free developers...
Victor
well I dunno what's changed from then, but I have 0.61 (from the Red Hat Powertools) and it kicks arse.
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Get over it. The penguin is a totally open mascot of the Linux operating system, free for use or modification by anyone who so desires, provided they give credit to Larry Ewing, its creator.
For example, I recently saw two stuffed Linux penguins on a desk in the movie The Score. If you're offended about a mere racing game using the mascot, (A game that will probably never earn more than a few thousand for the developers) you must be positively beside yourself with rage over the nerve that a movie studio (Associated with the MPAA) has to use our mascot in one of its productions.
Restating: Get over it.
"XXXX To be Windows-Only" means "we read like the first couple lines of the article and assumed it was Windows-only, or we didn't read it at all and trusted the summary from the submitter."
On a related note, "XXXX using GPLed code in closed-source application" means "we looked at the first couple paragraphs of the website, didn't see a source RPM, and decided there was no source code."
Also, "Amiga OS 4.0 released," "Apple regains marketshare," or "story that was posted yesterday reposted today" usually means "Rob Malda smokes crack".
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By the same token, there is no reason there shouldn't be an open version based on the last GPLed release, and no reason why that shouldn't compete directly with the closed version. Deciding to go proprietary does not give you moral rights or entitle you to any sort of market. If they can sell it, fine: if not, why try and protect them in any way?
To some degree it does. I have submitted patches to several GPL projects. When I submitted those patches I released my patches under the GPL, with the presumption that my work would only be used in open projects, and that no one would come along later and make a derivate of my work which they wouldn't share with me. The price of using me as a programmer is that you agree to always share the source. That is why I use the GPL and not a BSDish license.
TuxRacer has accepted patches from lots of developers who were just like me, and to go closed source would mean that they either have permission from the authors of all of those patches (highly doubtful), that they have removed all of those patches and replaced them with something not derived from those patches (also highly doubtful), or that they are violating the implied conditions placed on that work by its author.
The 0.6.1 version is still available with source from tuxracer.sourceforge.net, what more do you want?
Patry has done the work, and he has shared a great deal of the code. Who are we to complain? Now if Sunspire is using code from other contributors without getting their approval, well, that's a bad thing. I don't care what their intentions are, if they are using someone else's GPLed code illegally, then they need to be stopped.
If the end users and enthusiasts still have the source code that they have been playing with, and apparently there are even other developers interested in the source code (according to the Debian changelog anyway). The GPL doesn't say anything about your future intentions, it simply guarantees that people who use your code have access to the corresponding version of the source code.
...and this just had to happen when the USA banned human cloning. =( Well, I guess the OpenLinus project just needs to move somewhere else.
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(From tuxracer.com site)
This is what happened with games like Doom, Quake and Abuse, and I don't think that has hurt the popularity or sales of any of the games in question...
I think this is one of the sanest Linux game sales models, and it would work in Windows side just as well. The game companies could release the source to the games some time (year? two?) later, and say "the source is open, just don't distribute the data (oh, by the way, buy the game now, it's in the budget release shelf, really cheap now)".
Ever heard of Cygwin or MINGW?
That's the stuff that lets any of those "50 programming langs on Linux" run under Windows and produce Windows code- even GUI stuff, if you use Fltk, GTK+, or Qt.
Next time, try doing a little research BEFORE posting.
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"Sunspire is ok (and, I believe, happy) with everything so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0."
Other than being nice, does it matter if they are happy, or if in fact the free version competes with the commercial version?
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Think about it...work on your product, release it under the GPL, get suggestions, feedback from your target clients, bug testing galore all for free, maybe even some documentation. (Not likely much code since that would make closing it difficult)
Take all of that benefit that you got from having the community show you good will because you're releasing GPL'd software, close the software, stick in a few things people can't get with the last version that was GPL'd, and release the software closed and make money off of it.
Of course it's legal. But I don't know about ethical. Well at least they got a hell of a QA department for free.
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Try "xbill" then...
If you read the second comment on the newforge site, the author of tux racer (i think that is who) posted that they fully intend to supply a linux version. They are claiming that their OEM is Windows Only. I don't know if that is a tatic to keep us from getting angry or if he really means it. Sounds like whoever wrote the story slanted it and forgot to mention Sunspire's Linux intentions.
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I never thought much of that game... oh well. Who cares.... Boo hoo.
Dave
Linux Racer ?
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Sorry for misunderstanding you. Mod parent down.
in fact they will be in the same box.
Presumed translation: "Tux Racer, The Windows Version and Tux Racer, The Linux Version will be in the same cardboard container."
Getting a Linux version added onto the CD is something that we have considered and will try to do.
Presumed translation: "Tux Racer, The Windows Version and Tux Racer, The Linux Version *might* be in the same cardboard container." ..unless the linux version was going onto floppies..
The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products.
Presumed translation: "Tux Racer, The Windows Version and Tux Racer, The Linux Version will *not* be in the same cardboard container." :-) .. getting this past your distributor will be tough then; epic couldn't swing it with Unreal. OTOH you obviously know a lot more about your situation than me.
Good luck. If you package it with a linux version and it's not a complete stinker I'll buy it. I certainly enjoyed .61. Thanks for the fun game.
If TuxRacer is currently GPL'ed you realy don't have to take shit from anybody.
You can do what you want, compete with the pope if you want.
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>I find it very insulting that they are using the
>Linux mascot.
Is there no coypright issue here?
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Now, WTF does the "OEM Agent" care what's on the damn CD? You guys do all the software, right?
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Kinda ironic that a game about the Linux "mascot" doesn't even run on Linux...
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You're right - I over-generalized there. I meant "it's good that the program is GPL versus closed-source", rather than "it's good that the program is GPL rather than BSD or whatnot". Thanks for the clarification, MS Bob - I knew you'd actually be helpful someday ;)
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If it's GPL'd, you can do what you want whether or not the original author approves. You may not be able to use the name "Tux Racer" if it's trademarked, but the whole point of the GPL is that you can fork the code in situations like this without giving a care what the original author wants. People complain about the forking when it's just a result of an easily-bruised ego, but in this case I think the GPL has allowed things to work out just as they should.
On another note, why does tuxracer.com still say that it's hosted at SourceForge? Shouldn't a commercial game company pay for their own hosting, and leave the free hosting for people who are cranking out free software without expectation of reimbursement?
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great. I have NO problems at all with paying $$ for linux software, as long as it's good software, and especially games, as those are the one thing that keeps the windoze freaks on their windoze...
now if valve would think this far...
Yes, This is perfectly allowed. The original author of a GPL'd work does not lose any rights (namely to license the product under another license agreement) when he puts a product under the GPL. Anyone else, however, given that they are not the original author, are prohibited by the GPL of re-licensing the software under different terms. There are many many many applications and software packages that allow you to choose the license you receive the program under, GPL or otherwise.
Hmmmm.
"...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
The OEM is usually the publisher and they usually have a distribution strategy independent to the software developers. It is rare for the software house to handle the publishing as they are usually too small and don't have the market presence needed to get into the shops. Take as an example Myst 3 - Exile, was developed by Presto Studios, but published by Ubi Soft. If Presto wanted to relase to Linux, but Ubi Soft didn't believe that it was a viable market, then Presto would be forced to find another publisher for that platform.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
From the Open Racer site:
// EvilJohn
// Java Geek
"Unfortunately, SunSpire Studios, for whom Jasmin now works, has decided to make a commercial version based on the Tux Racer 0.6.1 version of Tux Racer. This is perfectly legal and acceptable according to the terms of the GPL, since Jasmin is the original licenser and has the authority to relicense his program."
Can someone more familar with the GPL than myself explain how this works? The source released under the GPL is still GPL'd, but his private fork can be closed source (because he is the original licenser)?
Less Talk, More Beer.
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Arbitrary joystick axes can be mapped to Tux controls (thanks to Julie Brandon for suggestion and patch).
- Fixed some 32-bit-isms to allow compiling on 64-bit machines (like Alphas); thanks to Jay Estabrook for the patch.
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Darrell Walisser has ported Tux Racer to the Mac! We've placed a link in the Downloads section. Thanks Darrell!
- I believe that this makes Tux Racer the first open-source game to feature adaptive LOD terrain. Many thanks to Thatcher Ulrich, whose code was used (see Thatcher's excellent Gamasutra article for a description of the algorithm and a link to the demo code).
- Matt Majka has ported Tux Racer 0.61 to Mac OS X.
I also found this news item interesting..Or perhaps Windows logos...
If you read the article, they plan to eventually release the 1.0 code under the GPL.
This, of course, is yet to be seen, but if they follow through, it appears that they are just trying a very similar open source business model to the one Aladdin has used with Ghostscript, yet with Ghostscript there doesn't seem to be a huge groundswell of negative reaction.
Aladdin keeps the current version of ghostscript under a restrictive license (albeit still open source), and relicences under the GPL when it is a version or two old. This way, they can make money from the current version but let old versions be used for the "public good". I personally wish more software vendors would do this with their older code.
Granted, there are differences, such as closing the source and holding off on releasing the Linux version until an OEM partner is found, but at least give them a chance to follow through on their asperations of OEM deals and see how well they deliver on the open source follow-ups before slamming them into the wall.
I don't know the full history of tuxracer, but this is apparently a big surprise for most users. If this has been their plan all along, then they should have been up front about it.
It won't be the first time in history that software has been developed with free betas, but it has also been GPL up to this point. I think this, combined with the apparent fact that their plans were not widely known, is what is making people upset, particularly since Tuxracer has been sort of a "flagship" Linux game, being shipped with most distros.
Having said that, they do say that they intend to ultimately re-license under the GPL at a later point, so I suppose we should give them the opportunity to persue their OEM deals and see if they make good on that promise.
Linus Torvalds has decided to maintain the Linux kernel in a closed bombshell bunker, without releasing the source to anyone. We have started the project OpenLinus, which is trying to clone Linus from various Linus memorabilia in order to keep the GPL development going. Real Linus is fine with OpenLinus as long as the later does not impersonate the former.
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
How about:
Icy Penguin Balls
or
Frostbitten Penguin Privates
or
Damn, That Must Hurt Sliding Your Nuts on Ice
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The GPL cuts boths ways, that's the important thing.
I played it too...Horrible. I runs at like -0.34 fps on my 600mhz tnt2 w/ 128Mb System RAM + 32Mv Video.
"The world only exists in your eyes. You can make it as big or as small as you want." - F Scott Fitzgerald
The OEM version is apparently further along than the boxed version, for which there is no publisher yet.
... happens after that. It's hinted that the 1.0 source code will be released at some point as well. That would be good; I hope it does happen.
In the short term, it appears that Tux Racer 1.0 will be Windows-only and closed source. What happens after that
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The difference is community involvement.
Quake 1 was entirely the work of id Software. Therefore, id could do whatever they wanted with it without consulting anyone else. TrollTech (makers of Qt) operate under the same methodology -- "GPL, or buy a license".
However, Tux Racer includes code written by others, who must be consulted before Tux Racer is licensed under another license.
Now, if the original author had insisted that contributors assign copyright to him, there would be no problem, because it would effectively become his code. But AFAIK it isn't.
I know I wouldn't want to contribute code to a project that would be later stolen and turned into a proprietary product.
On the other hand, PHP was completely rewritten from versions 3 to 4. Therefore, PHP4 is no longer GPLed, but is instead under some sort of BSD/MIT/Apache-esque license. Maybe that's what you mean by your last paragraph.
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Damn sick...but funny in a twisted way :)
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Hey! Drop the whole OpenRacer junk, get Tux off his belly, up onto his fins, and on a snowboard! Take the TuxRacer code and do it, or pull out and retweak the TTPAQFH code (which I think is where TuxRacer originally came from). Throw some cool sunglasses on our favorite friend - take it and run!
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If they don't know an ass from an elbow, they're gonna have an awful hard time figuring this game out...
"Tech support, may I help you?"
"Uh yeah. It says in the manual that Tux steers with his flippers, right? But aren't flippers are like arms, don't they have elbows?"
"Yes, sir, flippers are like arms. What difficulties are you having?"
"Well, every time I press left-arrow, he digs his left asscheek into the snow instead of his elbow. His elbow always remains in the middle of the screen no matter where he goes. I don't get it! I mean, the penguin's cute and all, but I don't get the controls, man..."
Hey, that probably covers half the people who read Slashdot :-)
I can hear them all now: "Cool! In addition to the FDA's new camera-pill, which lets me look at my own ass all day long, now I can look at a penguin's ass all day long too!
Speaking as a heterosexual male, if I've gotta look at a penguin's nether regions for an hour of gameplay per session, it might as well be a female penguin... It worked for Tomb Raider, didn't it? :)
The OEM agent has to sell the software to stores, no? Some don't want to deal with the added hassle of selling alternative software.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Well, I look at you're message and see that you obviously lack the ability to follow an arguement. The guy who posted before me asked asked why an OEM should care what the hell software is on the CD. I said because sometimes the software is not compatible with mainstream OSs, which makes it harder to sell to stores. Obviously you missed the concept that an arguement can have subsections that are broader than the core issue.
.sig issue, I don't make fun of you for using an OS that lacks basic plug and play features (XFree can't detect non VESA monitor modes such as 1152x864 @ 85 Hz without resorting to modelines) so you don't make fun of me for using an OS that lacks a decent POSIX API.
As for the
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Yes, XFree86 will happily detect modes that it supports. Unfortunately, these seem to be the standard VESA modes, so it will not detect modes like 1152x864 @ 85 Hz (which is what I run my monitor at). It defaults to the same res at 75Hz instead (which gives me a headache). In fact, I usually end up stealing the modelines of a BeOS machine, since BeOS does indeed detect the more strenuous modes correctly.
BTW> I was running XFree86 4.1 on Gentoo RC5.
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It seems like whenever a project becomed GPLed, the name is changed slightly from the original to include the word open, making it totally non-descript. While I will admit that the Star in StarOffice really had nothing to do with the product, Tux Racer says it all. Changing the name to Open Racer says nothing about the software and makes it sound so...plain. Would they be willing to accept suggetions for a different name for the GPLed branch, and does anyone have any good ideas?
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Is Tux (the character) trademarked by Larry? If so, Tux Racer could have some problems....
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OPENSOURCE FOUND TO BE GAMING DEAD END
January 4, 2002 -- Los Angeles -- The opensource community's first major game turned out to be a major bust, with total sales for 2001 at a mere 300 units, including promotional copies.
Tux Penguin, a game developed specificially for the Linux community, showed game retailers that there is little support for non-Windows games.
"In our surveys, we found not a single Linux gamer bought a copy," said Amanda Hugginhold, analyst for the independent Wintel Gaming Industry Coalition. "Apparently getting people who've lived on free software to pay for something is a whole different matter."
Although rumors of compatibility issues leading to the game's unpopularity were raised, Sunspire Studios CEO Eric Hall said the concerns had no validity.
"We give no credit to claims that our exclusive release on the Windows operating system impacted sales," said Hall. "Anyone knows that a serious gamer can reformat his Linux system with Windows and get playing in minutes. We're 100% hardware compatible and they know it."
When asked if the feature of a Linux mascot in a Windows game had any impact on the record underperformance, Hall was equally unconcerned.
"Who says those Linux geeks have a monopoly on Penguins? Bill Gates alone could buy all the penguins in the Antartic and then where would they be? Logoless!"
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Now our dear tux can only snowsled under windows, and closed source to boot!!
I imagine tux will refuse to work with the people over at sunrise.. and they'll be forced to find a new mascot.
Maybe instead we can get the BSD daemon to snowsled.. now there's an interesting picture.. a devil snowsledding.
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Simple answer, if I understand the GPL correctly, is that he cannot include user patches to the GPL'ed code into non-GPL'ed code unless they assigned their copyrights to him (unlikely to have happened) or otherwise explicitly/implicitly gave him control of it (dicey), or he implemented outside suggestions by writing his OWN code that is not a derivative work of others' patches (the most probable case, and VERY dicey, but likely unenforceable, especially if the others didn't clearly mark their contributions as GPLed). The critical point in the last case is whether the original developer did or didn't incorporate actual code written by others. The typical case of a user submitting a report that "there's a bug in line XXX of module YYY that should do Z but does Q" would likely not cause GPL trouble of this kind. I doubt this would be an obstacle in practice, but one never knows...
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Isn't the Tux character actually owned by someone in the free software community? Wouldn't it be necessary to get in touch with the creator before going off and doing something commercial with it?
Diehard
Let me guess, they'll market this game to Linux fans who only use Windows....
That'll go over well.
Dorks.
If we want companies to accept open source, we can't scream bloody murder when someone tries to take part in the market economy. The fact that Sunspire developed much of the game in the open is cool. There's nothing wrong with them moving on to closed-source development to polish off the game and sell it.
Version 0.61 is released under the GNU license and is freely available. If you want development to continue in the open, all you have to do is to download the source, and develop! You'll need to change the name and possibly use your own graphics, but there's nothing stopping you from releasing a Tux Racer-like game using the Tux Racer 0.61 code!
And some people wonder why not many companies develop code in the open when *this* is the sort of response that they get when they try to make money off the software!
Jason
Because they wrote it. They hold the copyright.
They can release it under a different license.
They just can't remove your ability to modify the any of the GPL released versions.
The same thing has been done with Tripwire.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
I know the developer said he didn't want to and couldn't afford the time. But in principal, he could if he wanted. It's GPL'd, after all.
:)
Naturally, the people with the closed-source TuxRacer wouldn't like it, but legally, I don't think they can stop it.
Instead, let's just all get along, ok?
Did you see those screenshots?
I'm not too terribly in favor of staring at a penguin's hindquarters all day.
Reminds me of a certain goat-flavored website.
I don't agree it is a flamebait, it is a real thing :-) I don't even talk about FPS, I used 3dfx :*)
They aren't stopping the linux version. They are however going away from the GPL at least for the initial realease. From the Tux Racer website:
Tux Racer is NOT Windows-only
Thursday, August 2, 2001
Despite what some (very misleading) news articles have recently reported, the retail version of Tux Racer will be released for both Linux and Windows (and most likely the Macintosh); the binaries for all versions will be in the same box. Don't believe the hype!
These news articles are referring to an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) deal which is in the works, which (although the details have not been finalized) is for Windows only. Getting a Linux version added onto the OEM CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted.
Further, to clarify: while we will not initially release the source code to version 1.0 under the GPL (this is simply not an option for us in the commercial game market), we do intend to do so some time after the initial release.
If it's not that old, we haven't lost all that much.
The part about the publisher stipulating that the open-source effort not compete directly with the commercial effort worries me more. Might we see Microsoft releasing their own "closed" Linux, without release of srouce code, but stipulating that Linux development can continue, just not in direct compettion with windows?!?
There's 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
What a sack of shit! Compete the fuck out of them. If this is what they're going to do, then they chose the wrong license!
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Linux sellout, or Windows sellout? :-)
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They are he ones that are forcing YOU to continue the project.
Sorry, I must have missed the part where the corporate execs pulled out uzi's and started threatening people to "continue the project or we'll smoke your sucka ass!"
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I thought it was a joke!
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Now I don't have to reboot to linux to play games! .... oh wait a minute. /. users hate Windows or think Microsoft is out to get them!
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Thats just not right! I mean come on. Closing the source on a GREAT open source game, who just recently at E3 was still open and got a lot of good publicity, is bad enough, but using good ol' Tux in a proprietery Windows game, especially one that could become very popular if it continues to improve is just wrong. Its an insult to the entire Free Software community (Linux people anyway), whether the developers wanted it to be that way or not. I, for one am NOT going to be a purchaser of that game! At least open development can continue in a new code branch. If there's anyone talented out there who wants to maintain this project, PLEASE STEP FORWARD!- -
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Well, We have xbill. Let's call it shared mascots.
The movie on their site doesn't look like the tuxracer we have played. It may be fun., you don't know.
You forgot to mention that this has been posted 80000 times on slashdot, and a mouse can only hold for 4000 cut/paste and as MS have 50% of the mouse market they have sucked you dry for 80000*0.5 / 4000 * 30$ = 300 bux!
If you had contributed to Tux Racer, you could and should sue their sorry asses. There was a big fiasco between id Software and some renegade company or another trying to sell modified Quake source! Closed! Their tactics were basically to stall indefinitely -- saying they would open it (just give us a few more weeks), and they never did. I dunno what happened there, but it looked pretty close to court to me...
The tactics being employed by SunSpire are more or less the same -- they say they'll release the code some time after the release. Small problem: BREACH OF CONTRACT.
Sorry, SunSpire, but the GPL says NOW, not when you feel like it. And since you don't employ each and every contributor (nor can you), you can't legally relicense it. Oops! There's probably other violations that I haven't paid attention to as well.
P.S., sorry, that GPL excerpt doesn't look so great. If Slashdot let me use fucking <PRE> I wouldn't have this problem. Oh well. Not my fault...
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Well if this spin off project did go into direct competition with Tux Racer WTF could he do? Honestly? The code that was released under the GPL will always be under the GPL and you can make it go into competition with the proprietary version. In fact the GPL version would have more claim to the name "Tux" than the other. I think it would be a cool thing if the free (as in speech) version cloberd the closed version.
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This is a copy of the first comment posted to the Newsforge story. Mod parent DOWN!
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From the TuxRacer.com front page:
Despite what some (very misleading) news articles have recently reported, the retail version of Tux Racer will be released for both Linux and Windows (and most likely the Macintosh); the binaries for all versions will be on the same CD. Don't believe the hype!
These news articles are referring to an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) deal which is in the works, which (although the details have not been finalized) is for Windows only. Getting a Linux version added onto the OEM CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted.
See - no problem. Just a large missunderstanding. Move along, nothing to see or flame here...
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Ok, since like 1/3rd of the comments have been from people who read the story, and assumed it was correct, from the TuxRacer.com front page:
Despite what some (very misleading) news articles have recently reported, the retail version of Tux Racer will be released for both Linux and Windows (and most likely the Macintosh); the binaries for all versions will be on the same CD. Don't believe the hype!
These news articles are referring to an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) deal which is in the works, which (although the details have not been finalized) is for Windows only. Getting a Linux version added onto the OEM CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted.
All is cool here.
As for respecting thier wishes on an Open Source version of TuxRacer - why shouldn't he? He talked with them, told them what up, and they would prefer not to have to complete with a free game that is identical. Gee, seems reasonable to me - if someone gave me the opportunity to say if I had to compete against a free product or not, I'd sure be quick to say I'd like the free product to have a different direction than mine. Why, as a commercial developer, would you ENCOURAGE someone to write a completely free version of the game you are trying to sell on shelves and OEM bundles?
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There's no MS tax to be paid. The game is being shipped on a single CD, as you said (why duplicate all the data when the only things that are likely to differ are the binaries?). Typically, when someone says they're in the same box, they mean on the same CD. A little common sense would have gone a long way with your post.
Seriously... the article doesn't say they don't want to closed-source release for Windows only... it says they have no OEM retailers to ship a linux version. They _did_ say they will want to eventually GPL it, as well as ship a CD with Windows, Mac, and Linux ports. Read, people, read!
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I see this as "Hey look, we'll charge all these windows assholes money for what the linux community is getting for free! hahaha." Is that really so bad.
"I want to pay money for it too"
no, thanks.
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...if sunspire is okay with the people carrying on development based on the 0.61 code, since it was already released, and it would be perfectly legal and legit for openracer to be in direct competition with a closed source tuxracer and there isn't anything sunspire can do about it.
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I think it is offensive to have a game that was GPL'd, then make it closed source, and keep the main character as the "Tux, the Linux Penguin".
IMHO, they should change the character, maybe something like "William, the wanking weasel" for the closed source release.
I'm not dictating their policy, they can do whatever they think is right, but this is a very odd thing they've done, forking to closed source at version 1.0
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>>Why bother keeping with their wishes in mind?
>>If they want to go proprietary, so be it, but
>>why listen to them? They are he ones that are
>> forcing YOU to continue the project.
(emphasis: mine)
Yes that's correct they, Sunspire Studios, forced YOU to continue the project. Did you read that out load before you sent it? Sunspire Studios didn't force anybody to do anything.
Those bastards! They went and re-released their product with a non-open source license! Why bother keeping with their wishes in mind? Look how badly they have WRONGED you. How dare them?
This is just an example of attaching judgment by association.
I like A
A is associated with B
Therefore all good and bad things about A are now attached to B.
I like open source software
linux is open source software
Therefore I must like linux
This company is the greatest company ever and their very very wonderful fully-featured without being bloated software is the best software ever. Just because they do something you like (release software under an open source license), but when they do something you don't like(re-release with a closed source software license) then their the devil(just imagine the how the water boys' mom says it.). Now their the worse company ever and their product sucks and is bloated.
Sadly this is an all to common line-of-thought on slashdot.
Anything remotely related to Microsoft is the devil!
Any company that doesn't embrace open source is the devil!
This kind of thinking (or lack there of) is extremely narrow-minded and shows a lack of intelligence. It's zealots that slam procuts/companys/causes/et al.(that they believe to be anti their position)without just cause that tarnish their own cause.
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So I can understand why NOTHING on windows should be open source. If you have to shell out $3,000 for Visual Studio, or Zilch for any of the 50 programming langs on Linux, why would you give away the source for a program windows users will just incorporate into their own apps and give you the finger? Most windows users have no concept of free software, so make 'em pay!
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Maybe they're going to go and put a red rubber glove on the penguin's head and call him a chicken, Wallace and Grommit style.
I really hope no Linux OEM (like Loki) will take this. On the other hand, it's hard to see why they would - the risk of good open source competition seems high, and releasing a commercial/proprietary game isn't exactly free.
I somehow feel bad about this change, even if it seems to be "+1, Insightful" to claim that "it's his code, he can do whatever he wants with it, you 15-year old idiots!". Especially if not all contributors agreed - that clearly makes it illegal and doubly unethical.
I wonder if they got permission to do this from all of those 18 contributors listed in the AUTHORS file. Well, I guess they did, they probably aren't stupid.
Don't get me wrong, I've been an avid slashdot reader since Late 1997 but in recent years due to high volume of news and low availability of editorial clock cycles it seems that a number of patently false headlines have been posted. On any of these, best case scenario for a correction seems to be a small type oh-so-classic UPDATE: in bold letters at the bottom which is the only place corrections or retractions are mentioned.
So, Taco; how about it? Are you going to bite the "journalistic integrity" bullet and create a "Humble Pie" icon for the "Retractions" topic?
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
The website gives the impression that the article contains false information. It does not; Sunspire is simply trying to put out fires. There is nothing in the article that is untrue, or even slanted for that matter. That's the problem - it's not slanted the way the coder would like it to be. That's why he's screaming.
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So, not only will there be a Linux version, but nearly everyone who buys the game will have it.
Only until a new version of glibc breaks it. Closed source is lame and unacceptable. There's no getting around it. If you fight it, it will only turn around and bite you in the arse. How many Linux people will buy a boxed copy of this when there is a free version. How many windows people will buy this being that it is a simple game from an unfamiliar company? What is there to gain by closing it? I don't think it would sell any less in the stores if it was GPL anyways considering the audience who will be looking at it.
As a side note, I am currently in the process of developing a GPL'ed-forever Linux game that will surpass most everything before it. I have recruited 5 other programmers and 2 graphics artists. All of them are willing to contribute in their free time because they like my idea. Who needs commercialism. Sounds vaporous? Yes. There will be details posted on Freshmeat once I get a nice looking page up with concept graphics and specs.
That's why they (the developers) should have assigned their copyrights to the FSF instead of to Sunspire Studios...
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There's a simple solution here. Don't buy it. I think its a hypocritical thing to change a license from an open source one to a closed source one. Legal or not, it's dirty. I don't mind closed source stuff in itself. It's when developers decide to change licenses like that that erks me. Someone mentioned it before, what about all the contributions to the project which are copyrighted by _their_ respective authors. They better be contacted one by one and get waivered out. Otherwise, I think a class action lawsuit is in order filed by all the patch writers and contributors, etc. (I have no idea how many there are so...).
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I mean, just who do they expect to buy this?
Windows users looking for a good Linux oriented game?
Linux users who have the open version?
I don't get it.
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You find it offensive? Relax, the use of the mascot is giving linux free advertising.
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Read the article. They said that the problem is the OEM company doesn't want to support the Linux version - their trying to get the Linux version included in the boxed set, or even on the same CD. So, not only will there be a Linux version, but nearly everyone who buys the game will have it.
> That's like a UNIX version of the Flying Windows Logo screensaver.
It's been done, of course.
Here.
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I find it very insulting that they are using the Linux mascot.
Perhaps they could call it WinRacer: "Ski the Windows logo into the pits of hell while collecting small companies along the way!" Yay!
I wonder if someone's clock is set wrong by a few months... it's August 2 not April 1.
That having been said, I don't really think TuxRacer is enough of a game to really sell... especially on Windows, where there are so many admittedly superior alternatives.
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Why bother keeping with their wishes in mind? If they want to go proprietary, so be it, but why listen to them? They are he ones that are forcing YOU to continue the project. I think its best to view projects that have been taken proprietary like this as orphaned projects, that same as any other orphaned projects. Jsut my two cents.
uh, or not...
the flying windows is a logo. the blue screen is an unfortunate side effect/combination of windows bugs. an analogy, to your poor analogy, would be a windows screensaver of a netscape crash, although making it take 99% of the processor might take a little more work.
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Why market a game featuring the linux mascot to the unwashed windoze masses?
My first thought. Then I realised: the unwashed masses who don't know their asses from their elbows won't know Tux from a Stroggo, anyway, so it's "Awwwww, cute penguin!!!!!!!"
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Okay, let's analyze this. You're forking an freely available open source game whose plot is basically a penguin sliding down a ski slope. How can this possibly not compete with a commercial game with the same exact concept and practically identical code plus a few new pixmaps as additional characters? Can someone explain this to me, I've obviously missed something.
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Sunspire is ok (and, I believe, happy) with everything so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0. It's my goal to develop the project in a different direction in accordance with Sunspire's wishes, but I'm still looking for ideas at this point." See this Newsforge story for more details.
Matias writes: "Sunspire is ok (and, I believe, happy) with everything so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0. It's my goal to develop the project in a different direction in accordance with Sunspire's wishes, but I'm still looking for ideas at this point." Why can't we moderate the moderators!
and so owns the copyright, and can do WTF he wants with his code (while leaving the GPL version out there). C'est tout, n'est-ce pas?
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For some reason, the author assumes everything closed source is windows only...the product still will be released for linux, but in binary form ( prolly rpm format :( ). It clearly states that it will be released for linux also.
According to the NewsForge article:
No community contributed code will be included with the retail product, according to Patry.
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Despite what some (very misleading) news articles have recently reported, the retail version of Tux Racer will be released for both Linux and Windows (and most likely the Macintosh); the binaries for all versions will be in the same box. Don't believe the hype!
These news articles are referring to an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) deal which is in the works, which (although the details have not been finalized) is for Windows only. Getting a Linux version added onto the OEM CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted.
Further, to clarify: while we will not initially release the source code to version 1.0 under the GPL (this is simply not an option for us in the commercial game market), we do intend to do so some time after the initial release.
Ahh, but I am only the maintainer. There are at least two-three other coders who are going to be working on the project; they have a lot more time than me.
Furthermore, recent developments might mean that I may have as mmuch as ten to fifteen hours to work on this project a week.
If I were you, I would definitely look for something to come out of this project.
I was surprised and a little upset when I saw they wrote their own title.
My original title merely indicated that Tux Racer 1.0 was going to be closed source and that I would be working on the GPLed codebase in an effort to make a derivative.
I hope you can get the Linux version out there. As I have stated before to you. I really hope that the commercial version meets as much success as possible.
It is sad that geeks, who should be those with the highest level of scholarism should be so quick to twist things to fit the mold of bias. I am sorry for any damage this may have done to sunspire; it was not my intention.
My goal in saving tux racer is to save tux racer, not to compete with sunspire and get into an Xemacs vs Emacs, ssh vs openssh, etc war. The best way I saw of doing that was to attempt to develop in a different direction. Furthermore, Sunspire _does_ have 0.61 as an open source version. If I competed with them, they could leverage their marketing head-start against me, killing the Open Racer project. As it lies now, Sunspire has agreed to link to the Open Racer site from the Tux Racer site, which gives me the advantage of having their head-start in publicity. I have no intention to compete with Sunspire. I couldn't do so even if I wanted to. They have a head start of several programmers coding for six months. I have one programmer (myself), who can throw maybe an hour or two every week. Again, if anyone is interested with ideas, or suggestions, or anyone wants to code or do artwork, let me know at my email address.
Are you sure about this? If I had contributed code to Tux Racer I would be pretty miffed if I found out that I didn't have any rights to stop them selling my code as their commercial product...
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Darn, I just tried out Tux Racer 0.61 (from Mandrake's RPMs) last night and it was actually pretty fun for a beta of a game.
Now I wouldn't be so dissappointed in Sunspire Studios they were releasing for Linux. Loki's great but Linux still needs more game developers.
Well now I suppose it's up to Open Racer to show the good of OSS and better Tux Racer...
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Tux has lost his freedom, his name and also his color !! Now he is a flying green penguin ???
This is really sad.
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I do understand that they wish to make money with a project that they started. A fair thing to me, even though of course I like GPL projects better. Closed source is sad, but also still ok, even though I don't really understand why they would do that since the old versions are still going to be avaible with the whole source code.
The only thing that really itches is that they want to release it windows only... TuxRacer on windows and not on linux is just a shame in my oppinion. What an irony.
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...to the code that was contributed by the open source community. The actual coders do. Sunspire can't license something that they don't own the copyright to. That's why Linux will always be GPL...it would be impossible to track down and get all contributors to agree to a different license.
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Dudes, you're over-reacting.
/* Function: find the secret text encoded in the 573034th - 573040th digits //allow C++ standard input and output. //define "num" as an integer equal to 9422983. //output " and newline. //define temp as an integer. // until we haven't processed the whole number, do: //1 make temp the right-most 4 bits of the number //2 remove the right-most 4 bits from the number //3 output removed bits as an offset from 'A' //4 if the offset is even, add a space. //output newline, ", and newline. //ANSI standard return value on successful end.
"We hope to eventually release the source code for 1.0 under the GPL," says Patry.
Nothing to worry about: after all, he's one of us, remember?
But I don't undestand something.
How can a closed-source work EVER be the next point-oh of a GPL'd framework? Wouldn't it mean rewriting it so that NONE of the code in the closed-source version has the "tainted" (virus-like) GPL code? Right now I have the whole source code (of an earlier version) on my hard-drive. Will the new version use none of this while it is closed-source?
Or is the current version not GPL'd at all, but only available on the whim of the author. That's not what seems to be the case. Does anyone know how this can be legal?
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Oh, and another thing, off-topic (since you're not going to see this because the story is too down the front page): I found this cute message in the digits of pi 573034-573040 (that is, the sequence "...9422983..."[this link doesn't count the "3" before the decimal point.]). Of note is that 573034 is nearly 2^19th, the difference being exactly 32 less than 2*29*29*29:
of pi. (Where "14159" would be digits 1st-5th,
since pi starts 3."14159"...)
*/
#include
int main()
{
int num = 9422983;
cout << "The following text's in the 573034th -573040th digits of pi:\n";
cout << "\"\n";
int temp;
while (num > 0) {
temp = num & 0xF;
num >>= 4;
cout << char('a' + temp);
if(!(temp%2)) cout << " ";
}
cout << "\n\"\n";
return 0;
}
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WHY would they be making it into a Windows Only product when it's geared around the Linux mascot? Closed source, okay. they're allowed. But Windows only? That's just insulting.
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And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
An OEM Agent is a publisher. Most PC game publishers handle things like Q&A, testing, distrobution and support. Publishers want a help line to call, and the like. Publishers are concerned with saving money, especially lately with the slowdown. They don't want to train apathetic employees how do fix a Linux install, or spend money and time for developers to throw out a Linux only patch. Thats why they about whats on the CD. Because they're not just CD Pressers.
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I don't begrudge them the fact that they wish to release it as a commercial application - hell, we all have to make money... I recently "Closed Sourced" a program of mine as well.
But releasing a game featuring, and based on the Linux mascot for Windows only? Umm... That's just weird. Especially since a Linux port already exists. What does this say about the "Linux market?"
You asshole, it's totally ontopic.
Wow. Now I get to see a bluescreen everytime I start down the hill. Seriously, why Closed? Why Windows? Hmmm... I guess putting out a product for a closed operating system mandates you follow by example. I guess Openracer will need a mascot, no?
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sure go ahead and do a windows app on gpl codebase, you can't take our TuxRacer from us, even if you make us change the name to Open racer. I applaud you for picking this up and wish you the best of luck with the fun game that tux racer is!
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"possibly because there's no ethical argument that says closed-source game development is bad"
What's the ethical argument that any closed-source development is bad?
Looks vintage 1992 or before to me!
It's not going Windows only. It's not going
completely closed source. If you go to their
website, it is referring to an OEM deal to package
Tux Racer 1.0 with their computers.
Naturally, they are only planning to let the
OEMs distribute the Windows version, as that's
all that they'd want or
need. The Linux version will be sold in a box,
with binaries for Windows and Linux, and Macintosh
as a possibility. They are planning to release
the source to version 1.0 some time after the
binary-only release, presumably after they've made
a modicum of money on the product.
Cheers.
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if you don't like Tux, the 1.0 release will be more politically correct. Sunspire is adding other little critters, including a seal, a polar bear, and a female penguin.
Yes, having a female penguin falling down a mountain and hitting obstacles sounds far more politically correct than a male penguin. And from the user's point of view, wouldn't you almost be forced to look up her skirt?
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Read their website. This is a good example of why slashdot articles should be trusted less than Microsoft. To quote their website.
"Despite what some (very misleading) news articles have recently reported, the retail version of Tux Racer will be released for both Linux and Windows (and most likely the Macintosh); the binaries for all versions will be on the same CD. Don't believe the hype! These news articles are referring to an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) deal which is in the works, which (although the details have not been finalized) is for Windows only. Getting a Linux version added onto the OEM CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted. Further, to clarify: while we will not initially release the source code to version 1.0 under the GPL (this is simply not an option for us in the commercial game market), we do intend to do so some time after the initial release. "
Can you assure us that every line of code in the commercial version was written by you in a clean room environment, or by open source contributors who have given their explicit consent for you to make money off of your work?
I ask because I'd like to see this work, so it's vital that everybody involved has happy faces and there's not the slightest suspicion of dodgy dealings.
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Oh, great! First I had to pay the Microsoft tax on my PC before I could run Linux, and now I must pay a Microsoft Tax on Tux Racer before I can play the Linux version? Unless they're both on the same CD (not just both CDs in the same box), what can possibly be your justification for this? Will your license allow any buyer to load and run the Linux version on one PC and the Windows version on another PC? If not, you're just inviting copyright violation. If so, who on Earth are you marketing to? The Windows customers won't have much use for the Linux CD, and visa-versa. The only way this makes any sense is if both versions are on the same disk, not in the same box. Otherwise both customer sets are paying for CDs they don't need and won't use.
Enviornmental disgrace, too. I sure won't buy it.
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
How do you know this? You speak with authority, so can you also answer my question about the license? Will the license that allow buyers to load the Windows version on one PC and the Linux version on another?
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
this is why there are no good open source games, if anyone was wondering -- because PEOPLE ARE SELFISH BASTARDS. a game reaches commercial quality and suddenly they decide to clam up and go closed source.. its very surprising that so many opensource projects have survived without going closed source, and is probably evidence of a benevolent god. im overreacting, obviously, but this really pisses me off, i hope the guy who started tuxracer suffers an aneurysm. ooooh i know im gonna get moded down for that..
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looks to me like a nice "games" folder game, Quake3 Arena is more the "flagship" of 3d linux games. They want to compete with commercial windows games, good for them but they should open their eyes and realize the quality of games is way beyond a penguin sliding down a mountain... besides that, isnt the Tux logo copyrighted or something ?
Is Tux open source?
Can these guys make a game featuring Tux calling it Tux Racer and then make is closed source?
Certainly someone in the Linux Community owns either the copyright or the trademark on Tux.
Couldn't associating Tux with a Windows product dilute the public's perception of Tux = Linux(if one exists)? What about the legion of Windows users that have never heard of Tux or Linux? After they play this game won't they then associate Tux with the game and not with Linux?
That assumes that they'll make money selling a game that is 4 years old on the fun side.What Windows user would buy this game?Alex
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Man, I wish that I had trolled with this one. No one would believe it. But then again, the truth being more incredible than fiction is something I learned from the fictional Lazarus Long some time ago... bonus points if you get the reference to The Senior.
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One of the reasons Patry cites for making TuxRacer closed source is that there was "very little outside support."
I find this quite annoying, because I personally offered to help in several emails, all of which were ignored with no response.
Don't blame other people for not helping when you don't even *respond* to offers of help! Its offensive to me that Patry is passing off the responsibility of closing the source to these 'un-helpful developers.' I feel that he should have thought about whether or not he wanted to sell the game eventually before he licensed it under the GPL.
um, no.
it would be silly if it wasn't plain lies. also on the tux racer web site (most people missed this bit):
<blockquote><i>"Further, to clarify: while we will not initially release the source code to version 1.0 under the GPL (this is simply not an option for us in the commercial game market), we do intend to do so some time after the initial release."</i></blockquote>
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I've been really impressed with recent versions of TuxRacer. I'm not a big console gamer (I just play whatever my friends happen to have), but a lot of those snowboarding games for N64 and Playstation can be quite fun...
TuxRacer seems to have a lot of the hard work done already. One would only need to change a few skins and implement a trick system to have themselves a neat little snowboarding game. I'm sure this would take some work, but it's far easier than starting from scratch.
Just an idea...
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And I have to say, there's no great loss to the open-source community here.
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"Who needs commercialism. "
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Well, everyone that needs to pay their bills. Whats...well...about everyone.
How about all those people that linux is supposedly trying to attract; the people who just use computers and aren't tall enough for the "You must be this elite to use this operation system" gates.
How many windows people will buy this being that it is a simple game from an unfamiliar company?
The market for "casual gamers" is way larger than the hardcore gaming market. That's why games like "Who wants to be a millionaire" outsell ones like "Doom 62."
What is there to gain by closing it?
Money? A chance for the author to work on it full time instead of part time? Moving out of the crowd of n-thousand other linux programs that all work the same and are never finished?
am currently in the process of developing a GPL'ed-forever Linux game that will surpass most everything before it.
Good luck with it. Hopefully it won't turn out to be one of the 75% of all SourceForge games that languishes forever at status "1-Planning"
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"so long as the project doesn't go into direct competition with Tux Racer 1.0. " So what if it did, whats the legality of a project with an open source beginning, GPL'ed begining, that then goes closed-source and commercial? Obviously any future GPL versions would be quite similar to the closed source one; could the closed-source project do anything to stop|affect the open-source project?
Why stick up for big business?
This is outrageous, an open-source GPLed program being turned into closed source. I will NEVER EVER buy anything from Sunspire Studios, and will tell other people not to as well.
We need to stand up and fight companies who think they can take GPLed software away.
They are getting "lucrative OEM deals" which means something like $0.50/copy to put Tux Racer on a million demo disks bundled with video cards.
They will probably also offer to let retailers put Tux Racer, Linux or Windows version, up on shelves to gather dust with a $40 price tag between Final Fantasy 27 and Quake 5. Maybe a handful will even order some, maybe even the Linux version. It will probably be available by mail-order from the company web-site. Making up a small run of boxed versions will probably lose money.
So why will they do this? So the package retailers can advertise "$200 video card, with $800 worth of software!" (which cost $5 in licensing fees) It's not cheesy free software, it's Real Commercial Software that you'd have to pay for otherwise!
Let's face it. Tux Racer is a great little graphics demo, and a fun little toy, but it's not (and won't be) serious competition against what you'd normally lay down cash for.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with what they are doing (morally and ethically... there may be legal complications with seperating the software from even a small number of contributed bug fixes, though I doubt anyone will be willing to take it to court), but don't kid yourselves, Tux Racer 1.0 isn't "coming to Linux box near you" any time soon. This is about a little polish for a little money to sell video cards for Windows. I wish them well at cashing in on their own hard work.
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Exactly. This is actually a good counter-example to Microsoft's arguments about the evil GPL. Good luck to Tux Racer, and show Craig Mundie a thing or two.
Perhaps because they say that it'll be released on the same CD on the official site.
You die too easily.
...Or a Blue Screen Of Death.
larry should change his liscense.
I'd like to reassure everyone that we have not abandoned the Linux version. The Linux and Windows versions are at the exact same stage of development. We fully intend to release the retail Linux version of Tux Racer at the same time as the retail Windows version; in fact they will be in the same box.
The final details of the OEM deal have not been finalized. Getting a Linux version added onto the CD is something that we have considered and will try to do. The only obstacle to this is the fact that our OEM agent only supports Windows products. We will keep you posted.
Jasmin Patry, Lead Programmer, Tux Racer