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Matrix Sequel Delayed to 2003
moojin was among the countless slashdot readers who noted that scifi (No I am Sci-Fi dammit) has reported that the 'Matrix Reloaded' will be delayed until the summer 2003. I'm bummed, but I'm willing to wait to see the Brothers W do it right (no way I'm gonna try to spell that name ;)
That's not so hard to spell. ;)
:-)
Dude, there's a reason why CmdrTaco majored in CS and not English.
And thats why the "sequels" to the Lord of the rings are going to rock, because they arent actually sequels, they are seperate installments to one story.
So what you're saying is that ambiguity is your cinematic god.
I'll agree. The Matrix is plenty ambiguous.
Not because it's meant to be, but because it's full of holes.
A good story may have enough subtlety and nuances that your understanding of it changes on successive viewings, but a movie to which you can apply random and conflicting interpretations is illiterate impressionism.
Basic lesson taught to all writers when they are young: Don't mistake obscurity for depth.
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P.S. I'd like to thank all those who modded my original post, the one that started this thread, down to 0. Those of us who like knocking power-mad petty tyrants out of their trees need reassurance every once in a while that the human race hasn't lost its ability to whelp them out in the thousands.
That sounds interesting. I wonder if any other movies have ever been shot in this fashion. Doing it this way seems a good way to maximize profit. You don't have to try to get all the actors together again, you don't have to get all the clearences to shot at certain locations again, you don't get unintended delay from actors pursuing aditional projects, etc. The only disadvantage is you could release both films at or near the same time, but you would never do that (to again maximize profit) which has the small potential to irritate Matrix loyalists. Other then that, this seems smart from a production angle. Does anyone know of other films that have tried this?
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Obviously there is *SOME* way out of this, otherwise they wouldn't have a script. I'm just curious what it is.
if they releas it near christmas, wont it have to compete with one of ther LOTR movies? I doubt this is a coincidence.
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probably not, but Attack of the Clones is still the worst. Sounds like attack of the _clowns_
Still reminds me of that dog sci-fi bomb killer clowns from outer space everytime I hear it.
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Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
sequels better than the original:
Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan
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How hard is it to spell Warner Brothers?
At the end of the movie all of the people (with some notable exceptions) are still in pods. We never get to see the free city. There is still a lot to do. Being in control of the matrix does nothing about freeing mankind.
The city is being overrun by a herd of Lucy Liu's.
there is some confusion as to what exactly is going on...
...dave
Think different? I'd be happy if most people would just think...
Am I the only one who thinks that "Matrix: Reloaded" is worse than "Attack of the Clones"?
Well, at least it isn't "The Agents Strike Back"
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Those movies were both shot at the same time.
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For that matter, all three original films were better than The Phantom Menace... :)
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It's official. Most of you are morons.
I lived in San Francisco last year and saw Keanu and Lawrence (just to name two) all the damn time in the city. Hanging out at the bars in Northbeach, at dinner South of Market, etc.
My question is, why were these guys always in the city hanging out? Did they ever get any filming done? I'm kind of saying this tongue in cheek, but it's a valid question. I had always heard the Hollywood myth: actors work such long days, filming is hard work, blah blah. Lawrence didn't look very stressed; chilling out with his ever present sunglasses and a frosty beer...
there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots
Just my thought. Actually common sense would say "It's just a movie, relax and enjoy the ride". And I do, but I'm also intrigued by the themes of 'unreality' raised by Matrix, Dark City, 13th Floor, Existenz, and others of that genre.
Since the theme of the whole movie seemed to be 'The world is so f***ed up it has to be fake" I just carried that thought to another level, the level of 'reality' revealed by the plot of the movie. Not saying that it is 'literal truth' (if such a term has any meaning in a literary work), just that I thought it was a neat lens to view the story through, and that it could add another level to the themes and issues raised in the movie. I've always been of the rather post-modern view that the audience's reading of and participation in the telling of the story was just as valid as the author's intention.
The effects were cool and all, but I thought that the story line was incredibly weak, and the characters annoying. Anytime I'm watching a movie and I'm happy that the "good guys" die because they irritate me, I'm disappointed.
Tomb Raider was similar. Cool effects, and it would have been a good movie if it had, say, a script.
I'm not really looking foward to this one.
BTW: I think that SW:Ep1 gets a bad rap for no reason. After watching it a second and third time, I felt like it was one of the best movies in the trilogy. I felt that there were subtle references to plots and the universe as a whole that was ignored in the trilogy.
The rips on Jar-Jar are kinda rediculous. He isn't ANY worse than C-3PO. We just like 'threepio because we grew up with him. My sig. other just watched A New Hope for the first time last weekend. She spoke to be afterwards and was like, "Am I the only one that finds C-3PO really annoying?"
Jar-Jar was no worse than C-3PO, we just all thought C-3PO was cool because he was a robot of sorts, and we were little kids.
To suggest that Menace was a bad film and Matrix was one of the greatest really shows an interesting point of view.
IGN has a similar news report which includes comments regarding the use of katana in the film.
I don't see how they are going to do a sequel. At the end of the first movie, the "resistance" won, and Neo transcended the Matrix. So what's the deal, are they going to bring back the machines/Matrix, and have it turn out that they didn't beat the machines after all?
Matrix isn't a standalone movie, with sequels being tacked on. It's the first in what was always planned to be a trilogy.
Yes Dorothy, the Matrix was just the boring intro leading up to the real meat of the story. Worth the wait I'm sure.
C'mon, I think leo screaming "I'm the King of the Dead!" would be kindof cute, don't you think?
My question is, why were these guys always in the city hanging out? Did they ever get any filming done?
I worked as an extra during some of the filming of the sequels. A lot of of the stuff they were filming around here didn't involve Keanu's character, so he was "around" but not actively involved in most of it.
As for the other actors, sometimes you need them, other times a stand-in or stunt double is sufficent. During some of the stunt-heavy sequences the real Carrie-Anne Moss was only on our set once or twice a week at most; ditto for The Fish. But their stunt doubles were around constantly. It depends on what you're filming.
For ongoing info on the sequels, try www.thematrixonline.com .
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They're probably releasing it in a couple years to avoid the present curse of movies turning out to suck.
What about Robot Jox 2?
It couldn't possibly be worse than the first...
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The Empire Strikes Back? Hello?
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Sounds good...except that you either have to accept the original story, that the sub is real and the city is not [because in the city Neo can bend walls and fly], or you have to include the entire world, sub+city, in the sim. Thus blowing to hell your reasoning above.
What's more, if the first-half city were real and the second-half city fake, it would be far more difficult to simulate the city and make it look&feel exactly the same as a real-world place, than to create an experience which was consistently VR.
Bring back the survivors and maybe i'll bother.
funny observations, and usually true, but in this case I believe you're going to discover (come 2003/04) you were dead wrong in betting against the films when both completely blow your mind right out of your head.
the W brothers envisioned a triology from the get-go. and they consider the first film in the trilogy the weak-but-necessary preamble to establish the very complex structural narrative which will be leveraged by the second two films.
if they consider "The Matrix" to be the weakest link in their series (one of the greatest sci-fi films EVER), i'm inclined to trust that they'll deliver the goods. if it takes an extra year, it isn't because they're sitting around trying to figure out a plot. It is because they know they only have one chance to do this correctly, that their cinematic legacy is at stake. Films that are perfect, uncompromised artistic realizations of a unique vision are rare enough. Rarer still are those that can be commercially successful.
Give them the benefit of the doubt. If you want to preemptively gloat about an inevitable cinematic disappointment that lacks in plot and worthiness, I'd recommend you consider the upcoming sure-to-be-a-groaner, "Attack of the Clones". Don't bet against Lucas when it comes to disappointing fans and bungling a legacy- or you WILL be disappointed. He's done it before- TWICE (Jedi & Menace) and he'll do it again. Sure as eggs is eggs.
Much in the same way that some artists say that they know they've really "made it" when Weird Al parodies one of their songs, maybe, in the same way, musicians/actors/athletes know they've made it once they make one of those "I am Sci-Fi" bits.
;)
But, I can't be the only one that would love to see an actual Sci-Fi commercial with CmdrTaco in a CopyLeft shirt belting "No I am Sci-Fi dammit!"
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Since you haven't learned to spell simple words like "than," it comes as no surprise that "Wachowski" would give you fits.
Of course, you could always look them up in imdb, but that would require intelligence.
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How about The Godfather II? It won Best Picture. Only sequel ever to do so, but it certainly still counts.
Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
Yes it's true that most of the sequels, written after the success of first movie, are bad.
But if the story was written, and shot, in more than one piece, it changes.
For example Titanic II would be bad, because they have to "make up" things. But, "the emprire strikes back" was good, because the story included that from the beginning.
(Sorry for my bad english)
Maybe they could get David Duchovny as Neo instead. He has all that experience with carefully guarding against facial expressions.
Uhm. Wachowski? They're from the Chicago suburbs. If you know Chicago, the street names are from downtown. Purposely jumbled, with some impossible combinations such as La Salle and Wabash (which run parallel) or somthing like that.
Reminds me of Back to the Future II and III. IIRC, they were making one movie (working title: "Paradox"), and realized they had too much material, so they made two.
There are certainly advantages:
budget: there are some things you only have to do once, like sets and costumes.
continuity: no one's going to look incongruously old in the third one.
writing: you can tell one good story instead of trying to tell two good stories.
box office: you have two sequels to a well loved movie. On only that basis, they should do fine.
You're also right about being "Matrix-like". I hope they focus more on making a good "brothers W" film than being like the original.
However, for continuity, many things will have to be the same: we'll likely need bullet-time, wire fight scenes, and most of the same characters. (Doesn't mean the characters can't grow/change.)
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I think I'll stop here.
My course was actually "Differential Equations with Linear Algebra," which most just refer to as diff-eq, but you're right, it would be specifically linear algebra the poster was referring to.
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Or maybe it's that he's a lazy motherfucker who can't be bothered to type in "matrix" at imdb.com and copy and paste "Wachowski" into his post...
You're not familiar with Taco's attempts to spell, are you?
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I hope you haven't seen the original Matrix then because Lawrence Fishburn (Morpheus) used to play Cowboy Curtis on Pee Wee's Playhouse and that should bother you just as much.
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http://upcomingmovies.com/matrix2.htmll
http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/matrix2.htm
http://www2.thematrixonline.com/
are Larry and Andy Wachowski. That's not so hard to spell. ;)
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
Phrase: Silver assured that the extra time added to the production schedules is simply meant to benefit the quality of both films.
;)
Definition: 1) Normally used to cover ones "butt" in hopes that releasing early of said time makes people feel better 2) We really messed something up, and need more time. Possibly because the plot was lacking, and we dont want another mistake like the new Star Wars (timining coincidence... i think not!) 3) There's been a lack of press, lets bring some hype back up
That seems about right I think!
they said that they are filming this as one long movie, not two... Interesting.
I hope to see more story and less visual crap. Every movie out these days has "Matrix-like" moves and it is just getting old. I would really hope that the next one is just as groundbreaking as the first.
Empire Strikes Back was better than New Hope.
Apparently, it is. (Wachowski)
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Kids think of this hunk of crap the way us older folks thought of Star Wars, which was panned as mindless entertainment, too, but wrongly so, since it's got a strong story under all that cheesy blaster fire. The Matrix, by contrast, has a lousy story, no score, wasted effects (giant spiders?), empty acting, and very little merchandising value.
Here's hoping the producers of The Matrix put CyberEwoks into the sequel and fuck their fans the way Lucas fucked us.
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The test of a good movie, to me, is when I've seen it 100 times, and then watch it again and come up with a new theory that suddenly re-explains everything. Like when I finally understood the Madonna conversation at the beginning of Reservoir Dogs (metaphor for whole movie, acting like first time thieves gets them hurt).
My latest - The movie says that it is the first half of the movie that takes place in a 'fake' world. And we buy into it. Look deeper. The evidence is flimsy. In fact, it is more elegant if the second half of the movie takes place in a fake world. The tech that creates a fake world could create either. But wouldn't it be easier to make one sub and a little surroundings versus the entire world? Think about it. Neo lives a boring life in our boring world, then he meets these weird people, takes a pill, weird shit happens, they strap him into a vr chair, and boom, the whole second half of the movie is imaginary. Boring programmer vs. the savior of the world, which is more likely?
the Brothers W do it right (no way I'm gonna try to spell that name ;)
It's W-A-R-N-E-R.
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i'd rather see madona do it it :)