Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the silicon-cakes-taste-terrible dept.
genixia noted that the BBC was the first to note that
Linux has turned 10 today. Happy birthday and congrats to the hackers whose labor pains keep giving us new tarballs.
Nice ot see something good that didn't die after all that time. 10 years in computer history is a big milestone, and the most positive aspect is linux isn't dying. Wish I could have celebrated the same with my amiga, but after its 10th birday, while the community was stile alive and kicking, the rest looked more like a skunk that got hit while crossing a road:(.
Ok ok let's not get nostalgic here heh, happy birthday to all of you guys, coders users and abusers:) !
-- ---
Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
This is an accomplishment, don't get me wrong. But 10 years is not, no matter what the dot-commers would have you think, a huge milestone in computing. This is just the continued maturation of a product getting better all the time.
Congrats to everybody who's changing the way software is created!
I should have mentionned, "IN TERMS OF PERSONNAL COMPUTING"
Unix 30 years ago wasn't available on your personnal desktop, heck, sorry, there wasn't any personnal desktops...
A majority of personnal computers/OS that were there 20 years ago aren't here anymore... mainly because previous architechture's efficiency was due to the fact that the os was tight to it's supporting hardware, but since you mention it, macOS never ran on any other architechture than it's own, unless running thru an emulator of course:), if you want to list that way here goes:
C64 - didn't last 10 years
Coco - "
Adam - "
TRS-80 - "
TI994A:) - "
VIC20 - "
BE - agony nice if it can live as an embedded solution but that means killing it's basic root, like amiga did.
Etc... - this could go on for days.
Granted these are almost more microcontroller firmware than OSes, but that was due to the ressources available at the time, look at the mac or the amiga that came in after, it was a bit less tight, look at BE dying slowly and being converted to embedded, etc etc
10 years is a HUGE milestone in computing, stop giving sucessful examples, of COURSE SOME STUFF MANAGE TO SURVIVE thru time, sheesh.
10 years ago, you wouldn't even RAYTRACE a 10 second flick on your personnal computer because you would have died waiting.
10 years ago, multiprocessor was only a mainframe buzzword.
10 years ago, 3Dchipsets were out-of-reach technologies
10 years ago, GUI on a PC was a joke
10 years ago, some tools you take for granted today didn't EVEN exist, CD-R is a good example
10 years ago, 256 colors was luxury
10 years ago, internet wasn't something 99.99% of the people knew about
10 years ago you would get 40megs for the price you get 100gigs today.
so please, spare me the dot.com junk argument:) 10 years in computing history is a lot. Enuff said.
-- ---
Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
Linux is 10 *tomorrow* saturday
by
AndmaN
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· Score: 2, Redundant
Tomorrow, August 25 (or September 17, whatever you prefer) is the correct date, even the BBC article says so.. *sigh*
Re:Linux is 10 *tomorrow* saturday
by
Lxy
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· Score: 2
My opinion is Sept 17. The reason being that on Aug 25, 1991 Linux posted a message that he was WORKING ON a kernel. That's like a woman telling all her friends that she's pregnant. No birthday has occured, just the official announcement.
No matter which side of the debate you stand on, there's no one in their right mind that thinks linux is 10 today. Sheesh.
--
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda :wq
I thought Linux's birthday was actually September 17th. I don't remember the source, but I thought it was cool that my birthday was the same day as Linux's birthday.
-Karl
Re:September 17th?
by
Black+Parrot
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· Score: 3, Redundant
> I thought Linux's birthday was actually September 17th
Yeah, but this makes it easier for Slashdot to run the story twice.
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system
Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
^^^^^^^^^
Shame on you.
by
standards
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· Score: 4, Insightful
In a way, this is kind of sad. I mean Linux is 10 years old, put together by a bunch of people who aren't all that interested in being the next Bill Gates, and it's one of the most stable and reliable OSs out there.
It really makes you think - for years, many of us were taught in school that non-capatalist approaches result in poor quality at a very high price.
But at least in this one case, it seems that just the opposite is true: after 20+ years of development, MacOS and Windows and many others, funded by billions of dollars, are just starting to get the stability of Linux. And sadly, this stability is at the expense of flexibility. And with a much higher pricetag. Linux is cheaper, faster, and better. And it isn't even a "product".
This is a testament to the abilities and the desires of those who have worked on Linux over the past decade. The corporate world - you have let us down, and look what we have done. Hold your heads in shame.
Re:Shame on you.
by
Karn
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Aren't you forgetting that Bell Labs created Unix? I'm afraid that without corporate influence in computing, we would be very far behind.
Shame you you for overlooking that *small* detail.
Linux today looks almost exactly like Linux did 10 years ago.
What are you smoking, and where did you get it? Linux is so radically different under the hood today that it can scarecely be compared to what it was like 10 years ago. From a user standpoint it's also changed radically, with the advent of multiple quite nice and usable GUIs. Unless you take the almost meaningless concept of the Linux command line (in which case it's true that the GNU tools haven't changed much in appearance in 10 years) things have changed drastically. And if you do take that standpoint, Windows hasn't changed much, either. The DOS prompt under Windows looks pretty much exactly like what it looked like 10 years ago, too. And remember that many, if not most, Windows users are still using a version of Windows that's running on DOS technology and hasn't really changed that much at all.
--
There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.
Those nice and usable GUIs are not Linux. It is the tenth anniversary of the Linux *kernel*. The kernel itself hasn't radically changed at all. It has ten years worth of incremental improvements, but I seriously doubt you could show me something in the paging module that is radically different from ten years ago.
-- A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
http://www.linux10.org/
by
Zeio
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· Score: 2, Informative
Linux10 party still has room on the East Coast!! =)
Linux 10th Anniversary Picnic/BBQ
August 25th, 2001 from 11:00 to 6:00
Sunnyvale Baylands Park, Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Bring the kids!
Mark your calendars! The Linux 10th anniversary picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, August 25, 2001 from 11:00 AM to 6:00 PM.
We had to stop taking new RSVPs for Linux10 when the picnic area capacity was reached on Aug 14. However, "Linux10 East Coast" in Philadelphia still has plenty of room. See below for more Linux 10th anniversary events.
Burgers, hot dogs, veggie burgers, and other picnic foods will be served until 3:30 and are free to all those who RSVP'ed
-- Legalize the constitution. Think for yourself question authority.
---|SNIP
open source is an intellectual property destroyer
- Jim Allchin, Microsoft executive, Feb 2001
Software is like sex; it's better when it's free
- Linus Torvalds
Any sufficiently advanced Operating System is indistinguishable from Linux
- Jim Dennis
Linux... Find out what you've been missing
while you've been rebooting Windows NT.
- anon
See Linux run...
See Windows run... scared.
- anon
Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck
when it starts manufactoring vaccum cleaners.
- car bumper sticker
I thought that aliens would take over the world,
but I never suspected the Finns.
- garf@roadum.demon.co.uk
How do you power off this machine?
- Linus Torvalds, when upgrading linux.cs.helsinki.fi,
and after using the machine for several months.
The most important design issue...
is the fact that Linux is supposed to be fun...
- Linus Torvalds,
at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
Open-Source Architecture requires neither Windows nor Gates
- Malcolm Macsween
Linux - What itch do you want to scratch today?
- Ulrik Haugen
With Linux there is no Bill to pay
- Maurice Fonhof
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi (possibly not talking about Linux!)
Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin
really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have
never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100 mph.
They'd be a lot more careful about what they said if they had.
- Linus Torvalds
Linux represents a best-of-breed Unix
- Vinod Valloppillil
Linux is like living in a teepee. No Windows, no Gates, Apache in house.
- Usenet signature
Consumers love it
- Vinod Valloppillil
The best thing about GNU/Linux is the people who use it.
- Kenneth W. Melvin
Most of the primary apps that people require when they
move to Linux are already available for free. This includes
web servers, POP clients, mail servers, text editors, etc
- Vinod Valloppillil
Don't throw your PC out of the window,
throw Windows out of your PC and run linux!
- Gernot Kerschbaumer
Linux and other OSS advocates are making a progressively
more credible argument that OSS software is at least as robust
- if not more - than commercial alternatives.
- Vinod Valloppillil
If the box says ``Windows 95 or better'', it should run on Linux, right?
- anon
Linux can win
- Vinod Valloppillil
---|ENDSNIP
[http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/prog/linuxbirth da y.html]
Re:What they say...
by
Mr.+Sketch
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· Score: 3, Insightful
The best thing about GNU/Linux is the people who use it.
- Kenneth W. Melvin
This is the only quote I don't agree with. I think the users are probably the worst thing about Linux. I'm not saying that all users are bad, but what annoys me is the people whose only response to a question is RTFM. The people who get on their high horse about how superior Linux is and how everything else sucks also annoy me, but not as much since I know they're right, these are also the people who respond to any Windows problem by telling them to reformat and install Linux.
I think the Linux user community has a ways to go and should learn to be more inclusive of non-Linux users and Linux users who are new to Linux. Once the Linux users become more helpful, then I'll agree that the Linux users are the best thing about Linux.
... In terms of ease-of-use, software library size, and compatibility with other products/devices. Currently, Linux does not compare to Windows in these aspects.
Re:When I turned Ten
by
tbone1
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· Score: 2, Funny
I got my first skateboard
"I got a rock."
--
The Independent: Reverend Spooner Arrested in Friar Tuck Incident - ISIHAC, Historical Headlines
Oldest machine or oldest linux install?;) I've got linux installed in my '75 El Camino, does that count? It's probalby one of the fastest land-based linux machines around, too...:)
growth spurt...
by
option8
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· Score: 3, Interesting
considering it's still a few years away from puberty, there's still some time before linux's real Growth Spurt.
and if you consider in ten years it's gone from exactly one user to.. um? millions? (depends on who you ask) the next few years will be prety interesting.
also if you consider the original kernel source and the current(ish) kernel source are, respectively, 71 Kb and 26,830 Kb (gzipped), what will the future bring? 2 CD distros of just the kernel?
hell, the patches are 10x larger than the original source. that's one fast growing 10 year old...
Cynicism is not always a good thing...
by
stonewolf
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Ten years ago I saw a posting from Linus about his new operating system. I read it. I remember he was asking for people to help him develop it. I thought it sounded very very nice. I started to compose an email back to him telling him that I would devote all my spare time to the project and make it my lifes goal to support it.
And then I said, "Yeah.... right.... Some college kid is going to implement UNIX. Yeah... Walk away slowly..." And I deleted the partially composed email.
They say the only things you truely regret are the things you didn't do. Well, I KNOW that is not true, but not sending that email is something I DO regret.
Of course, this is just my opinion, but since the whole point of Linux is that it's "Free" (i.e., open to the world), then I'd say it was "born" on the first day it was available for download -- i.e., released. Obviously, it wasn't finished then, but what software product is ever really "finished" on its first release?
-- Your Servant, B. Baggins
Its already saturday in Oz, Kiwiland, Oceania...
by
anticypher
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· Score: 2
CmdrTaco might be in Vladivostok, or Guam, or some part of the earth where "Today" is already saturday. But then again, this is/.'s own CT, who thinks that Holland is in Michigan:-)
I'll be downing a cold beer to celebrate, actually, the celebrations seem to have started early, and I'll continue for another few hours until the official "announcement anniversary"
the AC
[Yes, I know there is a Holland in.mi.us, but I'm heading up to Rotterdam in a few hours to consume large quantities of beer]
-- Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Windows NT turns 8 this month?
by
LinuxParanoid
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· Score: 2
And Windows NT turns 8 in September. It first shipped in September 1993. (Development first started in October 1988 when Dave Cutler left DEC for Microsoft.)
Of course, for both NT and Linux, one could argue that the GNU portions of Linux, somewhat like the Win16-OS/2 antecedents of NT, developed earlier, before the true "birth date". (OS embryos in the womb?)
As someone using Linux since 1992, I've found this age similarity to be striking. What do *you* think is the significance of the fact that Linux is older than NT?
--LinuxParanoid
LinuxParanoid, since I remain concerned that Linux advocates aren't paranoid enough(!)
Linux Anecdotes
by
joeytsai
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· Score: 2, Informative
One of the funniest articles I've read is a brief history of Linux, told from the trenches by Lars Wirzenius.
-- http://www.talknerdy.org
Software painful to produce?
by
sharkey
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· Score: 2
Happy birthday and congrats to the hackers whose labor pains keep giving us new tarballs.
So if producing a Linux kernel feels like childbirth, what do Windows developers feel? Intestinal cramps like someone dumped a whole pack of laxatives into their chocolate shake?
--
--
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Unfortunately, unless proprietary media formats, such as Winblowz Media Player or DVD CSS, are totaly torpedoed or else supported on Linux, the consumer market will not move en masse away from windows. Sadly, we may lose the home desktop because of this DRM crapola. I say this even though I like Linux and despise Microsoft.
-- "that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
The best thing about GNU/Linux is the people who use it.
- Kenneth W. Melvin
I was going to reply to this message, saying that this is the one point of the entire list which deserves special emphasis. I was a bit surprised to see that someone else has already replied saying it's the only point he did not agree with.
Sure, GNU/Linux people can sometimes be a pain, especially when they disagree with each other. But I always realize that it's only because they care. They care deeply, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
--
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
I will celebrate it on Oct 5th
by
Isaac-Lew
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· Score: 2
Re:Windows is no different
by
Arandir
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· Score: 2
Oh I agree with you totally! I don't know where you got the idea that I thought Windows was an OS:-) It may be marketed as an OS, but Microsoft only makes two operating systems: DOS and NT.
-- A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Soon it will be puberty...
Je t'aime Stéphanie
Nice ot see something good that didn't die after all that time. 10 years in computer history is a big milestone, and the most positive aspect is linux isn't dying. Wish I could have celebrated the same with my amiga, but after its 10th birday, while the community was stile alive and kicking, the rest looked more like a skunk that got hit while crossing a road :(.
:) !
Ok ok let's not get nostalgic here heh, happy birthday to all of you guys, coders users and abusers
--- Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
The next ten years will only get better!!
and..Thanks to all involved for a great OS!
"The Most Fun Possible on 4 wheels" is at SunBuggy in Las Vegas
Tomorrow, August 25 (or September 17, whatever you prefer) is the correct date, even the BBC article says so.. *sigh*
I thought Linux's birthday was actually September 17th. I don't remember the source, but I thought it was cool that my birthday was the same day as Linux's birthday.
-Karl
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system
Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
^^^^^^^^^
In a way, this is kind of sad. I mean Linux is 10 years old, put together by a bunch of people who aren't all that interested in being the next Bill Gates, and it's one of the most stable and reliable OSs out there.
It really makes you think - for years, many of us were taught in school that non-capatalist approaches result in poor quality at a very high price.
But at least in this one case, it seems that just the opposite is true: after 20+ years of development, MacOS and Windows and many others, funded by billions of dollars, are just starting to get the stability of Linux. And sadly, this stability is at the expense of flexibility. And with a much higher pricetag. Linux is cheaper, faster, and better. And it isn't even a "product".
This is a testament to the abilities and the desires of those who have worked on Linux over the past decade. The corporate world - you have let us down, and look what we have done. Hold your heads in shame.
Ok, so it was flamebait, but it WAS funny.
...it'll be able to drink in the U.S.!
Celebrate the finer things in life
"never crashed"? Screw you! I had crashes many times a day, and not once did Linux detect that my fan had come loose.
Last post!
Wanna talk about instability? Think about what Windows looked like 10 years ago.
Got Rhinos?
http://www.linux10.org/
Linux10 party still has room on the East Coast!! =)
Linux 10th Anniversary Picnic/BBQ August 25th, 2001 from 11:00 to 6:00 Sunnyvale Baylands Park, Sunnyvale, CA, USA Bring the kids!
Mark your calendars! The Linux 10th anniversary picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, August 25, 2001 from 11:00 AM to 6:00 PM.
We had to stop taking new RSVPs for Linux10 when the picnic area capacity was reached on Aug 14. However, "Linux10 East Coast" in Philadelphia still has plenty of room. See below for more Linux 10th anniversary events.
Burgers, hot dogs, veggie burgers, and other picnic foods will be served until 3:30 and are free to all those who RSVP'ed
Legalize the constitution. Think for yourself question authority.
---|SNIP
h da y.html]
open source is an intellectual property destroyer
- Jim Allchin, Microsoft executive, Feb 2001
Software is like sex; it's better when it's free
- Linus Torvalds
Any sufficiently advanced Operating System is indistinguishable from Linux
- Jim Dennis
Linux... Find out what you've been missing
while you've been rebooting Windows NT.
- anon
See Linux run...
See Windows run... scared.
- anon
Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck
when it starts manufactoring vaccum cleaners.
- car bumper sticker
I thought that aliens would take over the world,
but I never suspected the Finns.
- garf@roadum.demon.co.uk
How do you power off this machine?
- Linus Torvalds, when upgrading linux.cs.helsinki.fi,
and after using the machine for several months.
The most important design issue...
is the fact that Linux is supposed to be fun...
- Linus Torvalds,
at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux
Open-Source Architecture requires neither Windows nor Gates
- Malcolm Macsween
Linux - What itch do you want to scratch today?
- Ulrik Haugen
With Linux there is no Bill to pay
- Maurice Fonhof
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi (possibly not talking about Linux!)
Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin
really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have
never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100 mph.
They'd be a lot more careful about what they said if they had.
- Linus Torvalds
Linux represents a best-of-breed Unix
- Vinod Valloppillil
Linux is like living in a teepee. No Windows, no Gates, Apache in house.
- Usenet signature
Consumers love it
- Vinod Valloppillil
The best thing about GNU/Linux is the people who use it.
- Kenneth W. Melvin
Most of the primary apps that people require when they
move to Linux are already available for free. This includes
web servers, POP clients, mail servers, text editors, etc
- Vinod Valloppillil
Don't throw your PC out of the window,
throw Windows out of your PC and run linux!
- Gernot Kerschbaumer
Linux and other OSS advocates are making a progressively
more credible argument that OSS software is at least as robust
- if not more - than commercial alternatives.
- Vinod Valloppillil
If the box says ``Windows 95 or better'', it should run on Linux, right?
- anon
Linux can win
- Vinod Valloppillil
---|ENDSNIP
[http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/prog/linuxbirt
... In terms of ease-of-use, software library size, and compatibility with other products/devices. Currently, Linux does not compare to Windows in these aspects.
"I got a rock."
The Independent: Reverend Spooner Arrested in Friar Tuck Incident - ISIHAC, Historical Headlines
joshua:/proc# echo "Happy Birthday" >/proc/kcore
:-)
joshua:/proc#
Doesn't seem to make him pleased...
joshua:/proc# telinit "Happy Birthday"
Usage: telinit 0123456SsQqAaBbCcUu
well at least we get an answer
Happy Birthday to you Linux !
Thanks to all who made it possible.
Long live Linux !
in a couple years Tux is gonna start growing hair in strange places and start pursuing other "penguins" :-0
Linux Today has a poll where you can vote for the best operating system.
Note: This is an unbiased and unscientific poll, for entertainment purposes only.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I am celebrating the 10th anniversary of my 24th birthday today!
This
Would you expect it to detect when you pour coffee into your keyboard as well?
Let's see.
(Pours coffee into neighbors keyboard
Ah, I see the alert coming right now.
(Watches magic smoke rise)
Oldest machine or oldest linux install? ;) I've got linux installed in my '75 El Camino, does that count? It's probalby one of the fastest land-based linux machines around, too... :)
considering it's still a few years away from puberty, there's still some time before linux's real Growth Spurt.
and if you consider in ten years it's gone from exactly one user to.. um? millions? (depends on who you ask) the next few years will be prety interesting.
also if you consider the original kernel source and the current(ish) kernel source are, respectively, 71 Kb and 26,830 Kb (gzipped), what will the future bring? 2 CD distros of just the kernel?
hell, the patches are 10x larger than the original source. that's one fast growing 10 year old...
- Entertaining Bits from the Ancient Kernel Tree
And then I said, "Yeah.... right.... Some college kid is going to implement UNIX. Yeah... Walk away slowly..." And I deleted the partially composed email.
They say the only things you truely regret are the things you didn't do. Well, I KNOW that is not true, but not sending that email is something I DO regret.
Stonewolf
Of course, this is just my opinion, but since the whole point of Linux is that it's "Free" (i.e., open to the world), then I'd say it was "born" on the first day it was available for download -- i.e., released. Obviously, it wasn't finished then, but what software product is ever really "finished" on its first release?
Your Servant, B. Baggins
CmdrTaco might be in Vladivostok, or Guam, or some part of the earth where "Today" is already saturday. But then again, this is /.'s own CT, who thinks that Holland is in Michigan :-)
.mi.us, but I'm heading up to Rotterdam in a few hours to consume large quantities of beer]
I'll be downing a cold beer to celebrate, actually, the celebrations seem to have started early, and I'll continue for another few hours until the official "announcement anniversary"
the AC
[Yes, I know there is a Holland in
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
And Windows NT turns 8 in September. It first shipped in September 1993. (Development first started in October 1988 when Dave Cutler left DEC for Microsoft.)
Of course, for both NT and Linux, one could argue that the GNU portions of Linux, somewhat like the Win16-OS/2 antecedents of NT, developed earlier, before the true "birth date". (OS embryos in the womb?)
As someone using Linux since 1992, I've found this age similarity to be striking. What do *you* think is the significance of the fact that Linux is older than NT?
--LinuxParanoid
LinuxParanoid, since I remain concerned that Linux advocates aren't paranoid enough(!)
One of the funniest articles I've read is a brief history of Linux, told from the trenches by Lars Wirzenius.
http://www.talknerdy.org
Happy birthday and congrats to the hackers whose labor pains keep giving us new tarballs.
So if producing a Linux kernel feels like childbirth, what do Windows developers feel? Intestinal cramps like someone dumped a whole pack of laxatives into their chocolate shake?
--
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Unfortunately, unless proprietary media formats, such as Winblowz Media Player or DVD CSS, are totaly torpedoed or else supported on Linux, the consumer market will not move en masse away from windows. Sadly, we may lose the home desktop because of this DRM crapola. I say this even though I like Linux and despise Microsoft.
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
And sex! Don't forget all the sex!
Could Linux having sex result in a bunch of little Linuxii running around? AHH, forks!
The real question is, who will he mate with?
load "linux",8,1
The best thing about GNU/Linux is the people who use it.
- Kenneth W. Melvin
I was going to reply to this message, saying that this is the one point of the entire list which deserves special emphasis. I was a bit surprised to see that someone else has already replied saying it's the only point he did not agree with.
Sure, GNU/Linux people can sometimes be a pain, especially when they disagree with each other. But I always realize that it's only because they care. They care deeply, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
Oh I agree with you totally! I don't know where you got the idea that I thought Windows was an OS :-) It may be marketed as an OS, but Microsoft only makes two operating systems: DOS and NT.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned