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Review: Tolkien's World

After World War II, the family of J.R.R. Tolkien, who was teaching philology at Oxford at the time, encouraged him to use his intense imagination for mythology to deal with more wordly topics. Having already written The Silmarillion, at their prodding Tolkien produced The Hobbit, then The Lord of The Rings. This year, partly in preparation for the trilogy of films to be released over the next two years, Tolkien lovers and discoverers are visiting and re-visiting Middle Earth, thanks to a flood of new books. From time to time, in advance of the movies, I'll present some of them here. Tolkien's World is one of the best so far. Tolkien's World: The Paintings of Middle Earth author Various Artists pages 110 pages publisher MJF Books rating 8/10 reviewer Jon Katz ISBN 1-56731-248-9 summary Paintings and images of Middle Earth

Tolkien's World, The Paintings of Middle Earth, coincides with the centenary of his birth. More than a dozen artists, already famous for their interpretations of Tolkien landscapes, some newcomers to the trilogy, have created more than 50 paintings published therein ($15 from Harper Collins).

The full-page images are all illustrated with text from Tolkien's works, and they bring the stories to life in a way that is sometimes dark, sometimes lively, usually haunting. The book is clearly organized -- text on the left, painting on the right.

At the end, the artists -- they are from all over the world -- explain their interpretations and drawings and where applicable, their personal experiences with the trilogy. For a Tolkien afficionado, it's immensely satisfying to match your own imagination against those of artists like Michael Hague and Roger Garland. John Howe's "The Great Goblin" is amazing, and Inger Edelfelt has painted a stark, strange and simplistic "Gollum." As the Hobbit himself put it, "deep down here by the dark water lived old Gollum, a small slimy creature. I don't know where he came from, nor who or what he was. He was Gollum -- as dark as darkness, except for two big round pale eyes in his thin face." There is more good writing in that paragraph than in plenty of fictional and mythological tales.

"Thorin, Prisoner of the Elves," "The Arkenstone," "Frodo and Gandalf." "The Haven of Morionde," "The Brandywine River " -- the collection will intrigue readers who want to prep for the movie, or newcomers who want a sense of what Tolkien's worlds might look like. It would also work beautifully for kids.

The art is uneven -- certain painters' images might not square with your own. But some, like Ted Nasmith's "Glittering Caves of Aglarond," or John Howe's "Gandalf," will make you want to frame them and hang them up. Tolkien's World is a first-rate creative achievement.

218 comments

  1. I agree by skwog · · Score: 1

    I've had this book for a while, it's a nice supplement to any Tolkien collection. Forget D&D artwork, this book breathes a Tolkienesque feel.

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  2. I'm torn... by rkischuk · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't know whether to be glad that Tolkien is finally being given proper attention in the mainstream or concerned about the wave of commercialism that is about to engulf his work.

    It's going to be disturbing when kids start getting nine-fingered Frodo action figures in their happy meals...

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    1. Re:I'm torn... by Nick+Number · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's going to be disturbing when kids start getting nine-fingered Frodo action figures in their happy meals...

      Hey, that's better than finding the tenth finger in your burger.

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    2. Re:I'm torn... by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether to be glad that Tolkien is finally being given proper attention in the mainstream or concerned about the wave of commercialism that is about to engulf his work.
      It's going to be disturbing when kids start getting nine-fingered Frodo action figures in their happy meals...


      Actually, the action figure includes all 10, but the ring finger is actually a socket that holds a french fry so you can bite it off...

    3. Re:I'm torn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the same feelings about the commercialism of J.R.R.T's work. I am really looking forword to Peter Jacksons movies though. But people are going to see the movie and buy the toys and buy the blankets and buy the coffie mugs and are just going to ruin the seriousness of J.R.R.T's work.

  3. Philology by Malc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Philology = the scientific study of languages and their development.

    I had to look it up in the dictionary ;) Please don't mod me up... I'm not karma whoring.

    1. Re:Philology by Evan927 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      #1 way to get modded up: say "Mod me down if you want, but..." or "Don't mad me for this, it's just simple info."

      Don't mod me up for this.

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    2. Re:Philology by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Funny

      doh...I thought it was the scientific study of guys named 'Phil'

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    3. Re:Philology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a natural outgrowth of Philphilia.

    4. Re:Philology by Malc · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, you're such a cynic ;) If I hadn't put that comment, I would have had comments about trying to be a karma whore (I'm talking from experience). I can't win :(. As you can see, I have plenty of karma as I posted at +1. I don't think that the post needs to be any higher than that, hence another reason for my comment.

    5. Re:Philology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had the points to give you +1 insightful...

    6. Re:Philology by Wiggin · · Score: 1

      I thought it was just another slashdot misspelling and he had meant to say philosophy.

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    7. Re:Philology by Evan927 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was just kidding :)

      It's just an observation.

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    8. Re:Philology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dirty low-down yellow bellied karma whore, you.

    9. Re:Philology by Banjonardo · · Score: 1

      Isn't that philantropy?

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  4. Isn't it.. by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

    The order of the books:

    1) The Hobbit
    2) The Silmarillion (uncompleted)
    3) The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

    Not counting Farmer Geils of Ham and other stories. Doubtless the slashbots will correct me if I am wrong.

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    1. Re:Isn't it.. by F34nor · · Score: 1

      No.

      1) Hobbit.

      2) The Lord of the Rings.

      3) The Simarillion (published after his death by Guy Gavrel Kay and Christopher Tolken)

      4) The Unfinished Tales (20 volumes??) make up what the Sim was edited down from.

    2. Re:Isn't it.. by darkonc · · Score: 0, Troll

      My question is:
      In the light of this week's tragedy, is some PR goon gonna try and get them to rename The Two Towers?

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    3. Re:Isn't it.. by Curien · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Silmarillion (or, rather, Quenta Silmarillion[1]) was a work that was never definably "started" and never really "finished" in the sense of most books. Tolkien began writing the stories that *eventually became* the Quenta Silmarillion long before The Hobbit. There are several references in The Hobbit to places or events in Quenta Silmarillion (eg: Gondolin, Glamdring), but he didn't, at first, consider the two works as sharing the same "universe". Later, in The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien merged the worlds of The Hobbit with that of Quenta Silmarillion. There are still some remaining inaccuracties/contradictions, though.

      [1] While Quenta Silmarillion consists of the vast majority of the published work The Silmarillion, the book is actually a collection of several inependent works: The Ainulindale, The Valaquenta, Quenta Silmarillion, and Akallabeth.

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    4. Re:Isn't it.. by F34nor · · Score: 1

      You sound like you know what you're talking about.

      IMDB says that "Mark Ferguson (I) .... Gil-Galad"

      Gil-Galad was an eleven king
      of him the harpers sadly sing...

      ...but long ago he went away
      and where he dweleth none can say
      for into darkness fell his star
      in the land of mordor where the shadows are.

      Flash back?

      F34nor

    5. Re:Isn't it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where does "Farmer Giles of Ham" fit in?!!!


      damn lameness filter, now I've gotta insert a troll here. Fuck you taco!

    6. Re:Isn't it.. by joe+user+jr · · Score: 1
      This is quite true. Moreover, Tolkien wrote the Silmarillion material just in order to create a world and a set of events for the elvish languages he'd been inventing since his late childhood to exist in. He describes in his foreward how he set out to write a simple sequel to the Hobbit at the insistence of his publishers, who had found the Silmarillion material to be unpublishable, and found himself drawn into the world of the silmarils despite these intentions, with the result that, as you state, the LOTR becomes a bridge between originally separate worlds of the Shire and Gondolin.


      Also JRRT was well into the writing of LOTR during the second world war - he notes somewhere that he was sending an early draft of the part dealing with Frodo and Sam's journey into Mordor in letters to his son Christopher who was serving as a soldier at the time.

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    7. Re:Isn't it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the best of my recollection, JRRT started with "Lost Tales" in the 1910s, then abandoned this and started the epic poems in "The Lays of Beleriand". These earlier works were the basis for "The Silmarillion" (which went in quite a different direction from the earlier works, though a lot of the basic ideas were kept). He stopped working on that in the 30s to write "The Hobbit" -- published *before* WWII; Katz's chronology is quite wrong.

      "LOTR" was written during and after WWII.

      "The Silmarillion", which was never completed during his lifetime, was edited and published after JRRT's death by son Christopher. This was followed by "Unfinished Tales" and the "History of Middle Earth" series which is a compilation of the earlier (pre-Silmarillion) material.

      I gave up reading the "History" series after "The Lays of Beleriand" because of its length and all the tedious editorial notes, but I might start them up again one of these days.

  5. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by Rademir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I am willing to defend my way of life.

    My way of life is to not retaliate when attacked. My way is to find out why i am being attacked and try to help the situation that has produced such pain, including changing my behavior if it is a part of the problem.

    It's not clear to me what i can do in this situation to defend my way of life.

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  6. The Silmarillion was never finished by AndmaN · · Score: 1, Informative

    Why, oh why, can't JonKatz do some very basic research? The Silmarillion was never finished; Tolkien worked on it for many decades (even on the month he died), before and after the other books. After his death 1973 his son Christopher edited and published the material.

    1. Re:The Silmarillion was never finished by dgrb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Precisely And The Hobbit was published in 1937 and Tolkien says quite plainly in the foreword to LOTR that it was written "between 1936 and 1949". In fact JRRT started LOTR before The Hobbit was even published but broke off in order to start what was eventually to become the (incomplete) Silmarilion. But his friends and family persuaded him that there was no audience for that book, so he went back to LOTR. And all of this happened before WWII, not after. I can't say I'm much inclined to take note of a review whose author is so little concerned with accuracy.

    2. Re:The Silmarillion was never finished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may be wrong, but I believe the Silmarillion was published the Day Tolkien died.

    3. Re:The Silmarillion was never finished by AndmaN · · Score: 1

      No, it was published a few years later, after Christopher Tolkien and another person had edited it for two years.

  7. Re:There was a battle between the US and Japan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you can substantiate that claim...

  8. Poor Geek by Win-Developer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Poor Geek...You can't be part of an exclusive club anymore.

    As far as "proper attention in the mainstream" it has always existed, but probably not enough for your liking. My school had us read the book as summer reading. I feel the more exposure to reading and writing of this caliber for kids the better.

    I would get concerned if Disney made a Hobbit cartoon for their Saturday morning block.

    1. Re:Poor Geek by rm-r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      flaimebait? get real! this deserves +X insightful and it's parent deserves -Y sad-navel-gazer. To many geeks jealously hold onto 'their' 'culture', we should be happy such a great book is being brought to a wider audience- with everything that entails (it's damn hard to get kids to read at times, as any parent will tell you)

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    2. Re:Poor Geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all the original post was a joke, secondly, if the response had been polite, then it wouldn't be flame bait. Win-Developer is an asshole. It's Probably Billy-G Money himself. ;)

      Or maybe I missed a well placed joke?

      Eitherway the response from Win-D was rude.

    3. Re:Poor Geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy deserved rudeness- I'm sick of idiots who want their own exclusive culture, espcially when it comes to one of the best books of all time. The best thing about cultures is sharing them, and anybody who thinks that there is ANYTHING bad about children being introduced to LOTR or any other top-drawer literature should be shot.
      It also seems I'm not the only one who thinks Win-Dev is right- but he's been moded to -1. And if only BillyG did read /., if only...

  9. Tolkiens world by gwizah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I own this amazing book myself and I am also an artist. It's a wonderful thing to see paintings of the most beloved scenes of middle earth rendered by some of Tolkiens biggest fans. I remember painting a scene (for a high school art course)from the hobbit where Bilbo is in the cavern holding the elven blade. I wondered if there was a repository of artwork pertaining to Tolkien and almost 10 years later I discovered this book. When I opened it up to see Sting and the look of Bilbo inside I was floored. I especially enjoy the work of Alan Lee. He is truly a master of fantasy art. If you have a chance see more of his work with Brian Froud in books like Faeries, and Gnomes. Amazing work!

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  10. What They Really Look Like by bill.sheehan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The trouble with art like this is that those of us who read the books in our impressionable childhood already know exactly what each character and location looks like. They're vividly imprinted on our imaginations, thanks to the clarity of Tolkein's writing. These artists just have them all wrong!


    IMHO, the closest anyone has come is the Brothers Hildebrand, and even there they've got the wrong Aragorn. (The Hildebrand version of Aragorn looks more like a plumber than the descendant of the Kings of Westernesse.)


    By the bye, is anyone else as dismayed as I that every bar napkin Tolkien ever scribbled a note on is now being published? It's getting worse than the prolific undead pen of L. Ron! Does every word the man wrote have to be mined for posthumous publication?


    This ring, no other, was made by the Elves.

    Who'd pawn their own mother to grab it themselves...

    1. Re:What They Really Look Like by PineHall · · Score: 1

      Brothers Hildebrand definitely came the closest to what I imagine the Middle Earth to look like. They IMHO are the best.

      I wonder about the movies. I may not like them because their visual images may be very different from my imagination. Though I loved the BBC radio drama. They did a good job.

    2. Re:What They Really Look Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that the Hildebrand illustration were okay except fot the expressions on the faces. Everyone seem to be unfocussedly staring off into the void, rendering the figures lifeless.

    3. Re:What They Really Look Like by sharkey · · Score: 2

      I sit on the floor, and pick my nose,
      And think of nasty things.
      Like deviant dwarves who suck their toes,
      And elves who drub their dings!


      Regarding what the characters look like, the TV animated movie "The Hobbit" came out when I was five, and was my introduction to Middle-Earth. When I imagine Tolkien's characters, they always are based on the style of that cartoon.

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    4. Re:What They Really Look Like by nirnaeth · · Score: 1
      Personally, my favorite paintings of middle earth are those by Alan Lee.

      And in response to your complaint about the publishing of napkin scribbles, I have very much enjoyed reading some of the History of Middle-earth books, published by Christopher Tolkien. The early forms, and many revisions, of the legends, poetry, and language that eventually was distilled into The Silmarillion are fascinating reading, both in their own right as excellent stories, and in the insights they give into the creative process that spawned Middle-Earth. Furthermore, Christopher Tolkien's commentary and notes on the various pieces presented is highly interesting, clear, and insightful. So I say, keep publishing those napkins! :)

    5. Re:What They Really Look Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I've had this book for several years now and I cannot stand most of the pictures. They're just wrong.
      The only person who manages to get pictures from Tolkien's works 'right' was Tolkien himself. Some other people come close, John Howe in particular.

    6. Re:What They Really Look Like by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Wossamatter, you don't like that mid-70's hairdo he's sporting. I would have to say that of all of the Hildebrandts' renderings of characters from Middle-earth, Aragorn is probably the only one that doesn't match my mental image reasonably well. Of course, I never pictured the Last Homely House under large trees either. But to me the Hildebrandt pictures _are_ what Tolkien's world looked like.

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    7. Re:What They Really Look Like by Skip666Kent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I always liked Tokein's own works the best. Very cozy, dreamy and British. Always viewed from a distance and largely devoid of actual figures, leaving your imagination ample space to roam and make the place your own. Everything since has been overblown Dungeons and Dragons nonsense.

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  11. Correct Order by Frey · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) Started: Silmarillion
    2) Started and completed: Hobbit
    3) Started and completed: LOTR
    4) Tolkien Died
    5) Christopher Tolkien and Guy Kay compile Silmarillion

    1. Re:Correct Order by Sir_Real · · Score: 2

      Is this the order you're supposed to read them in? (I haven't read any of them yet... yes yes, I know, this makes me a terrible person...) I was told once that the order didn't matter terribly... Since I've decided to take the plunge and read the series, I'd like to know if the order in which I read the books, does in fact, matter.

      Woefully uneducated...

      Andrew

    2. Re:Correct Order by TZA14a · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'd like to know if the order in which I read the books, does in fact, matter.

      Not terribly much, still I'd recommend you start with The Hobbit, then progress to LotR and finish with the Silmarillion to get all background details. If you're not satisfied then, start digging through the History of Middle Earth series to see how Tolkien's work developed...

      I also think this order shows nicely how the third age stories progress from a friendly, adventurous, almost for-kids setting at the beginning of the Hobbit to the dark and looming atmosphere of some LotR chapters.

      Compare the arrival in Rivendell in The Hobbit with the same scene in LotR to see what I mean. In the first one, the elves are merry foold jumping through the trees, in the second one they're the solemn warriors you'd expect after the Silmarillion history.

      Katz, btw, is full of shit.

    3. Re:Correct Order by _Neurotic · · Score: 2, Informative

      In my personal opinion. The best order to read them is...

      1) The Hobbit
      2) The Lord of the Rings (trilogy) (including appendices)
      3) The Silmarillion

      This order reflects the order of reading difficulty and therefore makes you more likely to enjoy reading the series. If you were to start with the Silmarillion, you'd get bored awfully quick.

    4. Re:Correct Order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start with the Hobbit, then LOTR and then skip the Silmarillion...and skip the unfinished tales...and skip anything Christopher Tolkien or Guy Kay touched.

    5. Re:Correct Order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes,

      Hobbit
      LOTR. As mentioned above the appendices are almost as interesting as the series...lots of missing details and stories.

      Silmarillion. Very very slow in the beginning but reaches some story based chapters about 1/4 of the way through. Good stuff though, I'm personally finishing up the silmarillion now.

      As of 3.5 months ago I never opened a tolkien book, nor did I even enjoy reading much at all.

    6. Re:Correct Order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! You can skip what Kay did as far as Tolkien-related projects (meaning the Silmarillion), but his own work is very much worth reading. Patricularly Tigana, A Song for Arbonne, and my favorite, The Lions of Ar-Rassan.

  12. Hobbits by halftrack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not a Tolkien fanatic, nor a know-all, but I'm a great fan of his books. What I've reacted to reading his books is the drawings of the hobbits and also the way the upcoming movies present them. In my imagination I've made up a picture of creatures closer to dwarfs than to human children. If I don't recall much wrong dwarfs are in fact taller than hobbits.

    In the movie Frodo looks like a human child, but wasn't he rather old (40 years or so.) In the paintings in the books and in the movie he looks too young. Although hobbits don't have beards one would expect a more rugged face. In addition hobbits are normally fat - in a jovial sense.

    One thing I'm sertain about are their feet and toes. They should be hairy, but I've never seen drawings of their feet.

    What do other people think. Are the pictures of hobbits correct, as the book presents them.

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    1. Re:Hobbits by rm-r · · Score: 1

      Isn't he young for a hobbit though? (I could be wrong, its 15 years since I last read the books)

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    2. Re:Hobbits by halftrack · · Score: 1

      Bilbo left middle-Earth at an age of 100 (I think) and he was then the oldes hobbit ever to live.

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    3. Re:Hobbits by Corvar · · Score: 1

      He was 111 at the begining of Lord of the Rings.

    4. Re:Hobbits by rm-r · · Score: 1

      What about that old family- was it the Tooks? I'm sure that Bilbo wasn't the first to celebrate 1 gross- 144 years, and he certainly wasn't the oldest ever hobbit at the time of the Hobbit- do you mean when he went to the elven land (at 144)

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    5. Re:Hobbits by rm-r · · Score: 1

      he was 144, he celebrates with a party in the book

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    6. Re:Hobbits by ceswiedler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Frodo was indeed young, the Lord Of the Rings starts out with him at 33 (and Bilbo at "eleventy-one", or 111). 33 was considered to be just "coming of age," so it would equate with about 18 or 21 in human years (emotionally speaking), but of course hobbits are small, so a youngish hobbit would look like a young child.

    7. Re:Hobbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'll have to disagree with you. IIRC, didn't Pippin and Merry get mistaken for children while in Gondor? And it's not like the Gondorians didn't know what dwarves were and looked like. This tells me they should look more like human children than dwarves.

    8. Re:Hobbits by Fortmain · · Score: 1

      Correct about their ages. However, I don't know about equating with 18 or 21 in human years (emotionally speaking). I always figured they were pretty much like 'Big People' in that respect. Look at how many people in their twenties aren't _really_ responsible adults. (And that's how I felt when I first read these as a child some 40 yrs ago.)

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    9. Re:Hobbits by joe+user+jr · · Score: 1
      Bilbo left middle-Earth at an age of 100 (I think) and he was then the oldes hobbit ever to live.

      Um, no. Recall that Bilbo's party at the start of LOTR was for his 111th birthday (Frodo was 33, making the sum of their ages one gross - a joke that didn't go down to well with the ever-so refined hobbits at the party). It was then some years before Frodo headed off for his own adventure. Bilbo was 130 by the time he left for the blessed isles - beating the previous record Gerontius (the Old) Took by one year.
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    10. Re:Hobbits by Edward+Kmett · · Score: 1

      IIRC, he was 33 when he got the ring, and didn't appear age for the 7 years he had the ring before setting off - "showing signs of being remarkably well preserved".

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    11. Re:Hobbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the book again! He was 111, "eleventy-one" at the start!

    12. Re:Hobbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry. Bilbo was 111 on his birthday that starts Fellowship Of The Ring. Frodo, who shares the same birthday was 33, his "coming of age." Their total age was 144...

  13. The Silmarillion was first (after a fashion) by tomknight · · Score: 1
    Really, JRRT started the Silmarillion very early on - remember that it's essentially the early mythology of Middle Earth. The reason it was never finished is that he was never happy with it.


    In a way, however, you're right, in that the majority of the work on the Silmarillion was produced between The Hobbit and LOTR.


    Tom.

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  14. LOTR not all that they're cracked to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...am rereading the books at a friends suggestion. "...They're pretty boring at times, and the characters are shallow..." was the gist of what my friend said.

    He's right. The language in the books is stilted "I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn, blah blah, and this is the sword that was Broken!" (cave men were undoubtely more eloquent at times), the characters lack depth (hell, you don't even know what they look like - except they're often clad in gray).

    At least the general story is good. Sauron is pretty cool, but that's cause he's faceless.

    Worst, the characters are either Evil or Good. The Good always taking Aragorn, or whoever else, at their word. Why? This is total crap, especially in Time of War.

    The Hobbit lacked all the forma English priggishness of the LOTR. A better book.

    1. Re:LOTR not all that they're cracked to be by gwizah · · Score: 1
      Is this comment for or against the LOTR?

      He's right. The language in the books is stilted "I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn, blah blah, and this is the sword that was Broken!" (cave men were undoubtely more eloquent at times), the characters lack depth (hell, you don't even know what they look like - except they're often clad in gray).

      If you mean "The Hobbit" you are partially right. While the language of Men in the story seems crude and coarse, notice how the Hobbits themselves are more apt to offer some sense of proper english. I belive Tolkien was trying to show man (humans) as a brutish race when compared to Hobbits and Elves.

      On the other hand, If you are reffering to LOTR, dont forget the eloquent musings of Tom Bombadill or Treebeard Hoom Hoom!
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    2. Re:LOTR not all that they're cracked to be by F34nor · · Score: 1

      Its an epic you twit. It follows rules within the english language. Read Beowolf, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, and some of the other classics of English Lit. All flat as a friken pancake. You might see what genre he was working from and understand what he created. Also don't forget that all of this was made up to explain the nuances of a created language. All of the books are just to explaine why its pronouced this way instead of that way. That and to shut his kids up.

      F34nor

    3. Re:LOTR not all that they're cracked to be by beanerspace · · Score: 1

      Speaking as an old fart, yes, these books are about as entertaining as other of their ilk.

      Ah, but if you had asked me when I was 15, I would have spoke of such such grand images, inspired lofty thoughts and inspiration to engage in great causes.

      From what I understand (and I could be wrong on this one) the stories were originally for his children and were published with some prodding. If that's the case, what a legacy !

  15. Tokien.....Terrorists? by acidboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Tolkien != WTC

    They probably rejected it because it's dull. And you're really obnoxious to get your voice heard. Maybe you should go to kuro5hin.org if that's what you want.

    acidboy

    1. Re:Tokien.....Terrorists? by thor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      what's your birthday?!?

  16. where's my new Tolkein game? by zama · · Score: 1

    Kinda OT but the artwork got me thinking about how I liked the artwork done by (now defunct) Iron Crown Enterprises in the Middle-Earth Role-Playing game. I used to love that game but we died a lot - stupid critical charts... ("Strike through ears. Big lummux dies immediately. Any earwax is removed").

    Any word on whether a new game is going to be released? Hopefully with better game mechanics? Hopefully not by WOTC using d20?

    I'm afraid of crass commercialization too but I'd rather people collecting Frodo stuff and reading Tolkein's books than say, Garfield...

    1. Re:where's my new Tolkein game? by gwizah · · Score: 1

      Go forth!...


      Details are here for the uninitiated.

      --

      There is no spork.
    2. Re:where's my new Tolkein game? by zama · · Score: 1

      Oh no... And here I was afraid it would be WOTC who got the license. Little could I imagine that GW would get their grubby little hands on it. Should've realised it though - hasn't their stock and earnings been in the gutter for a while?

      Also, the link should be http://www.games-workshop.com/

    3. Re:where's my new Tolkein game? by sben · · Score: 1

      A new Lord of the Rings RPG is being published by Decipher, which is also working on new Star Trek stuff. Ken Hite (a name RPG geeks might recognize) will be working on it; early previews suggest that the new game will have a more Tolkeinesque feel than the Iron Crown version.

      IIRC, an introductory game is supposed to be on sale in time for Christmas and the first movie, with the full game released 1Q2002 or so.

  17. Elementary error by dazed-n-confused · · Score: 3, Informative

    Katz writes:

    after World War II,

    "The Hobbit" was published in 1937. World War II ended in 1945.

    1. Re:Elementary error by rm-r · · Score: 1

      Indeed, although he wrote LOTR for his son- who was away in the army- sending him chapters on a monthly or so basis and then published afterwards.

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    2. Re:Elementary error by HunterZ · · Score: 1

      Also, the Silmarillon wasn't a coherent work meant to be published. Rather, it was a scattered mass of writings which he created as background information for his other books. After he died, the writings were collected into the "book" we now know.

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    3. Re:Elementary error by Harlockjds · · Score: 1

      yep in fact first British editions are very rare because most copies were destroyed during ww2

  18. This month's Wired mag by Pope · · Score: 2

    This month's Wired magazine has a whole cover story on Tolkein's works. I don't like them talking about it as a 'virtual world,' it sounds too much like one of Jon's articles. :)

    The scariest thing, as usual, are the obsessed fanboys and geeks who take it *way* too seriously. I mean, I'm a big music fan, but going after rare CD bootlegs where John Lennon farts halfway through a demo of "Imagine" just does not interest me in the least.
    Nobody will be able to appease the hardcore geeks 100%, because even they diagree on things, and will argue over minutiae that regular people simply couldn't care less about. If you can't get a suitable distance from the material, IMHO you have serious problems.

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    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    1. Re:This month's Wired mag by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The scariest thing, as usual, are the obsessed fanboys and geeks who take it *way* too seriously. I mean, I'm a big music fan, but going after rare CD bootlegs where John Lennon farts halfway through a demo of "Imagine" just does not interest me in the least.

      there are people who do look for that sort of thing in the music world. What to do mean "big music fan"? did you spend a year travelling with your favorite band? or do you just like to listen to lots of music?

      ecerybody wants to see there favorite part done right. The best we can hope for is that they did the parts everybody likes well.

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    2. Re:This month's Wired mag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quote:
      "I mean, I'm a big music fan, but going after rare CD bootlegs where John Lennon farts halfway through a demo of "Imagine" just does not interest me in the least."

      Do you have this on mp3? I'm not a fan-boy but I need it.

      John: "Imagine there's no heaven *pppppptttttt*"
      Jorge and Paul: RINGO!!!
      Ringo: It wasn't me I swear.

    3. Re:This month's Wired mag by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1
      Nobody will be able to appease the hardcore geeks 100%


      True enough, but if Saruman dies on a big spiked wheel as they hinted instead of on the doorstep of Bag End I'm guna be ill.
      Artistic license with the set/costumes is one thing. When they change the story it's just plain wrong.

  19. Silmarillion by Corvar · · Score: 1

    To the best of my knowledge, the Silmarillion was nothing more than a collection of notes until after J.R.R. Tolkien's death. Afterwards, Christopher Tolkien collected those notes and assembled the Silmarillion.

    It is also my belief that the Hobbit literally started it all, that Tolkien started delving into Middle Earth, creating it, to entertain his children. I.e. he did not start off attempting to create a world, a history, and multiple languages, but instead that they are a by-product of the story he constructed to entertain his children.

    You may also want to check out The Marvelous Land of Snergs by E.A. Wyke-Smith. This book is considered to be the source Tolkien pulled the concept of Hobbit's from. ISBN: 1882968042

    1. Re:Silmarillion by Fortmain · · Score: 1

      It is also my belief that the Hobbit literally started it all, that Tolkien started delving into Middle Earth, creating it, to entertain his children. I.e. he did not start off attempting to create a world, a history, and multiple languages, but instead that they are a by-product of the story he constructed to entertain his children.

      Tolkien originally wrote pieces of what later became the Silmarillion as an exercise in philology, i.e., he invented a place where the people who spoke the languages he created would live. This was originally just a personal hobby type thing, although he did share with his family. (For instance, he is known to have referred to his wife as his 'Luthien Tinuviel' in private letters dating back to the 1920s.)

      He later wrote The Hobbit as a children's tale for his own kids. He had no intention of linking it to his Silmarillion world, but he kept harking back to the grander themes therein, and they became entwined. After he successfully published The Hobbit, he tried to intrest his publishers in The Silmarillion, but they convinced him the public wouldn't accept a book like that.

      "Give us more hobbits," they said, and so he tried, with LOTR. But this time he let the background history show through, and we learned about High Elves, and Valinor, and Morgoth, the Great Enemy, of whom Sauron was just a lieutenant. The earlier, unpublished (then) work he had done made LOTR just that much deeper and richer.

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    2. Re:Silmarillion by whosit · · Score: 1

      Actually Tolkien started it all from a hospital bed in France when he was wounded during WWI. At that time he started writing a story that eventually became one of the last chapters of the Silmarillion. And that title was "The Fall of Gondolin".

    3. Re:Silmarillion by overunderunderdone · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. Tolkien started by creating a language, then he created a mythology to breath life into that language, then he started writing stories set in the world that mythology described.

  20. Tolkien passage by Chundra · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    "Do you like what you doth see . . . ?" said the voluptuous elf-maiden as she provocatively parted the folds of her robe to reveal the rounded, shadowy glories within. Frito's throat was dry, though his head reeled with desire and ale.

    She slipped off the flimsy garment and strode toward the fascinated boggie unashamed of her nakedness. She ran a perfect hand along his hairy toes, and he helplessly watched them curl with the fierce insistent wanting of her.

    "Let me make thee more comfortable," she whispered hoarsely, fiddling with the clasps of his jerkin, loosening his sword belt with a laugh. "Touch me, oh touch me," she crooned.

    Frito's hand, as though of its own will, reached out and traced the delicate swelling of her elf-breast, while the other slowly crept around her tiny, flawless waist, crushing her to his barrel chest.

    "Toes, I love hairy toes," she moaned, forcing him down on the silvered carpet. Her tiny, pink toes caressed the luxuriant fur of his instep while Frito's nose sought out the warmth of her precious elf- navel.

    "But I'm so small and hairy, and . . . and you're so beautiful," Frito whimpered, slipping clumsily out of his crossed garters.

    The elf-maiden said nothing, but only sighed deep in her throat and held him more firmly to her faunlike body. "There is one thing you must do for me first," she whispered into one tufted ear.

    "Anything," sobbed Frito, growing frantic with his need. "Anything!"

    She closed her eyes and then opened them to the ceiling. "The Ring," she said. "I must have your Ring."

    Frito's whole body tensed. "Oh no," he cried, "not that! Anything but . . . that."

    "I must have it," she said both tenderly and fiercely. "I must have the Ring!"

    Frito's eyes blurred with tears and confusion. "I can't," he said. "I mustn't!"

    But he knew resolve was no longer strong in him. Slowly, the elf- maiden's hand inched toward the chain in his vest pocket, closer and closer it came to the Ring Frito had guarded so faithfully . . .

  21. JRRT's Work On Language by tomknight · · Score: 2, Informative
    If there's anyone out there with an interest in languages, they really should look at JRRT's work (in that area). http://www.elvish.org is a good place to start.
    There's a very good book "An Introduction To Elvish" (Ed. Jim Allen), that I used to borrow from my University library....


    Tom.

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    Oh arse
  22. Tolkien images online by �laC|n · · Score: 1
    you might want to enjoy artwork from Tolkiens works without buying a book, check out ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/pictures/fantasy/Tolkien/

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    1. Re:Tolkien images online by Corvar · · Score: 1

      Or a more complete collection:
      Rolozo's Tolkien

  23. Tolkien and Mythology by fiver · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't believe that Tolkien would have agreed that his family convinced him to write about more worldly events. Tolkien and the other Inklings (esp Lewis and Williams) were quick to say that they were using man's ability as a sub-creator (below God) and not corrolating any of their mythology to wordly events. Especially denied were any connections between The Lord of the Rings and any wars during the 20th century.

  24. Re:Tolkien was a practicing Catholic by WickedClean · · Score: 1

    You only say that because he uses a lot of big words that you don't understand, jackass.

    --
    ...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
  25. The Inklings (or, recommended reading) by namespan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a book I've been reading by Humphrey Carpenter called The Inklings... it's about the association between Tolkein, C.S. Lewis, Charles Williams andd others. Fascinating stuff... sort
    of a quasi-biography of all three and the confluence of their lives. Carpenter also wrote
    a whole bio of Tolkein and collected a book of
    his personal letters, both of which I've read bits of and are pretty good.

    Warning: it's a different experience than reading
    Tolkein's fiction. Tolkein spins grand myths; these are biographical.

    Enjoy.

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  26. LOTR icon on Slashdot by Xpilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    C'mon Taco... high time for a LOTR/Tolkien icon on slashdot methinks...

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    1. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by rleyton · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed. It's high time it happened.

      But what should it be?

      * A simple gold ring? (the merest of trinkets)
      * A small icon of a hobbit (cf. GNU)?
      * "LotR" letters?
      * A v. small pic of tolkien + pipe (cf. biography pic)

      I vote for the gold ring. simple, effective, and we *know* what it signifies.

      any other suggestions?

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      ooooooh! What does this button do? - DeeDee, Dexters Lab.
    2. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote for an image of a little plastic 'Happy Meal' hobbit toy.

    3. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by Chazmati · · Score: 1

      A gold ring with the runes on the inside would distinguish LOTR from your basic wedding theme. Like on the RealPlayer trailers...

    4. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by nvainio · · Score: 1
      * A small icon of a hobbit (cf. GNU)?

      I vote for this.

      Or perhaps we should have generic icon for all fantasy stuff? (Well, the icon could be Tolkienish anyway.)

    5. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by makohund · · Score: 1

      We should use the combined "J.R.R.T." rune that is used on the spine on most of his published works.

      The two capital "R"s are symmetrically back to back. The center of the combined "R"s is also the stem for both the crossbar top making a "T", and the hook on the bottom making a "J".

      I do like the idea of the ring... but while the LOTR and Hobbit are his most popular works they are by no means the whole. Perhaps crown the "JRRT" rune with the ring? (Or does that bring bad associations, considering what the ring stood for?) Perhaps the ring with the inscription... followed by the JRRT. I dunno.

      I like the rune all by itself the best, I think. He was a linguist, and I think it would be quite appropriate.

    6. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by Nick+Number · · Score: 2

      * A small icon of a hobbit (cf. GNU)?
      * "LotR" letters?

      How about a green lowercase h?
      You'd save on bandwidth, but all the NetHack players would constantly have the urge to slay it and eat it.

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    7. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the idea of the phrase "I'm a fucking no-life dork" in a rune script.

      Sure suits all the losers who post on this idiotic topic. Present company excluded, of course.

    8. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by bonoboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tolkien had his own symbol, composed of the J, R, R and T, which looked like a candle. You'd think that'd be the obvious choice.

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    9. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot by alexjohns · · Score: 2

      SLASHDOT in elvish. It's been about 20 years so I can't do it anymore. Anyone got a book handy?

  27. Tolkien's works by weakethics · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought I was the only one revisiting Middle-Earth. I made a commitment earlier this year to complete the LOTR+H before the movie came out. I started reading the Hobbit in July. I will likely complete RotK this weekend. I thought I had given myself sufficient time to finish the books before Dec, but I didn't count on how much I would be sucked in, again, to Tolkien's wonderful prose and terrific setting. At night, instead of reading Maisy's Next $6 Throwaway, I have been reading Tolkien to my 4-year-old son. The language is too difficult for him to understand, but he recognizes the names of the Hobbits and Gollum. In troubled times, I hope, hearing his father's voice as he fades to sleep help calm his fears. I had not anticipated these books bringing me closer to my son, but I should have known that Tolkien's magic, like Hobbits, is always more powerful than you expect.

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    1. Re:Tolkien's works by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1
      it's amazing how the universe Tolkien created can capture the imagination of both the young and [not so] old.


      i'm reading the LOTR series with my 9-year old daughter and am amazed at how much she retains and how the characters and scenes are painted in her imagination. when a passage captivates her, it seems to paint a picture more vivid than any of her dvds and manages to pull her in even more. it's great having this as something to share as she grows up.


      i'm hoping (a) we get to the end before 2001-12-19 and (b) the movie doesn't ruin the Tolkien universe for her. (hollywood managed to destroy POTA, so I'm not too hopeful for LOTR).


      keep reading, weakethics...

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      Mind the gap...
    2. Re:Tolkien's works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      POTA = Planet of the Apes. Right?

    3. Re:Tolkien's works by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1

      yep. the 'apes' just didn't live up to the hype.

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      Mind the gap...
  28. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by darkonc · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Not just Waco and the Crusades...
    Hitler was a Christian too. He actually studied to be a priest, and used the Jews' persecution of Christ as part of his justificatin for the holocaust (ignoring the fact that Jesus lived and died a Jew).

    People have, and will continue to, use religion as a justification for their excesses. Let's not use it as an excuse to justify our own persecution of even more innocents.

    --
    Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
  29. Re:Tolkien passage - National Lampoon more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    National Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings".

    Try to be original, ok?

  30. Bored of the Rings! by wiredog · · Score: 2

    Yes! I have that book! Frito,Goodgulf, Tim Benzedrine! Attack Sheep!

  31. Nice piece of fiction written here. by spineless+monkey · · Score: 1

    If you are going to create a sales promotion, at least get your facts correct. Is there any truth to any of this? Bill J. Clinton, are you reading this?

    Besides that, I'm so glad that he took this advice and applied his imagination to "wordly" things.

  32. Bored of the Rings by cfriesen · · Score: 1

    Yep, straight out of the Tolkein parody "Bored of the Rings". Can't remember who published it though.

    1. Re:Bored of the Rings by byronne · · Score: 1

      Harvard Lampoon - although many of those alumni went on to NL

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    2. Re:Bored of the Rings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm almost certain that Bored of the Rings was a creation of the Harvard Lampoon.

    3. Re:Bored of the Rings by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Ironically, it's the "teaser" page inside the front cover and the passage does not actually appear in the story proper.

      BoTR is a brilliant tribute to Tolkien and a hilarious work in its own right.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  33. Re:Tolkien passage - National Lampoon more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harvard Lampoon more like it. And I didn't claim it was written by me. feh!

  34. What I don't understand... by elefantstn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why is George W. Bush not mentioned in this article? What kind of Katz screed is this? Here are a number of ways I figured Jon could work him into future revisions:


    • Why can't GWB be more like Gandalf in times of crisis? Gandalf always inspired confidence in his followers and was a tremendous public speaker; Bush has none of those qualities.
    • Bush has - in nearly 8 months of governing - made no mention whatsoever on his stance on Tolkien's work! Does he think by just ignoring the issue, it will go away?
    • I'm a petty child who likes to make arrogant, baseless statements about leaders I disagree with in order to make myself seem worldly.

    Ok, well the third one isn't really Tolkien-related. I guess it's more of an all-purpose disclaimer he can tack on to the bottom of everything he posts instead.

    --
    If it ain't broke, you need more software.
    1. Re:What I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you got mod'd down.

      See what happens when you don't lock-step to Katz political views.

      Ve hav vayz zuf makingg yu comply.

  35. Original Manuscripts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If anyone is interested, J.R.R. Tolkien's original manuscripts are kept at Marquette University in Milwaukee, WI.

  36. Nothing to do with the war by geekoid · · Score: 2

    First of all, katz needs to spend a little time doing a thing called RESEARCH!

    Second I hate when people imply or say that LOTR had anything to do with WWII. Tolkien said on MANY occasion that it had nothing to do with it. In fact he even gave an example of how the books would have been, and what the charaters would of done differently if it had been based on the evens in WWII. Of course some of it being written before WWII should clue people in.

    ...Floop went the tar pit...

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    1. Re:Nothing to do with the war by JennyWL · · Score: 1

      Ease up--the WW2 reference just places the writing in time. Katz isn't saying the story is based on the war in any way.

      On the other hand, I have often read that the descriptions of the swamp that Frodo and Sam crosses to reach Mordor and Mordor itself owe a lot to the battlefields of World War I. You got anything on that?

      "Oh we are stealthy Green Toupees, skulking nights and sleeping days..."

    2. Re:Nothing to do with the war by jjo · · Score: 2

      Tolkien did not say that. What he did say is that LOtR is not an allegory of WWII. But events shape the man, and the man shapes the writing. Living through WWII must have affected Tolkien's work, as his fighting in WWI certainly did.

      The War of the Ring does not mimic WWII, as Tolkien's comments make clear. However, one can easily speculate that some the atmosphere of the 'real world' seeped into Middle Earth as it was being created. For example, the dire state of Frodo's homeland in the beginning of "The Scouring of the Shire" clearly has parallels in the conditions Tolkien endured in postwar Britain. Other parallels, of greater or lesser validity, can readily suggest themselves.

  37. Links I should've included by sben · · Score: 1

    Damn, should've included these in the first message. Here are links to the publisher, and the publisher's previews of the introductory game and the full RPG. Having skimmed these, it's not clear to me now that the introductory game has an automatic upgrade path to the RPG.

    The publisher will not be Games Workshop.

    1. Re:Links I should've included by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Too bad... I was so looking forward to seeing all those dwarves with mohawks...

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  38. Written DURRING WWII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The LOTR was written _durring_ WWII not after, and was sent in installments to who son who was fighting in the war. Also, Tolkien insisted that the books where not an anology for modern times. There is a great quote from him that says he detested anology from the first time he detected it.

  39. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by geekoid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    you can't change blind fanaticism.

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  40. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by geekoid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    No, it would not.
    we told afganistan manyt many many times that if we could prove bin laden commited terrorist acts, we would kold them responsable. we our giving afganastan a chance to turn him over to us, and remove terrorist training camps.

    how do you propose we handle this? Just sit back and let it happen over and over again?

    Do you think these people can be talked to rationally? If we give them what they want, they win. Next time they want something, guess what they'll do?

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  41. Re:Tolkien was a practicing Catholic by spoot · · Score: 1

    Other Catholics that we can also throw out as neither thinkers or artists would then have to include:

    GK Chesterson
    Henry Ford
    John Kennedy
    Louis Pasteur
    Pablo Picasso
    Henri Matisse
    Salvador Dali
    Alec Guinness
    Federico Fellini
    Michelangelo
    Leonardo da Vinci
    William F. Buckly Jr
    Alfred Hitchcock

    Other members of Tolkeins inner circle of "inklings" we also very religious. CS Lewis an Anglican. Charles Williams an Anglican, Dorthy Sayer I believe was also an Anglican.

  42. One DOS to rule them all! by peter303 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass;
    Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow;
    Nine from dot.coms doomed to die;
    One from the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
    One OS to rule them all! One OS to find them!
    One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
    In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.

    (Until the wizard of Finland frees them all.)

    1. Re:One DOS to rule them all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. The Nintendo headquarters is in Redmond, isn't it?

    2. Re:One DOS to rule them all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That last line is particularly apt, as Quenya is based, in part, upon Saami.

    3. Re:One DOS to rule them all! by dakainivanua · · Score: 1
      Watch out; Bill Gates is on his way to accomplish this as the "emperor lich of 21st century media"!

      From this article [theonion.com]:

      REDMOND, WA - Microsoft head Bill Gates, already considered by many to be among the most powerful men in the world, further increased his powers Monday, augmenting several of his key statistics to near-immortal levels.

      Among the most striking increases were a +2 raise in dexterity to 18, and an overwhelming charisma increase to an above-human score of 20, placing Gates in the realm of deities and demigods.

      "I am pleased to announce that I have boosted my already impressive statistics," Gates said in a statement to shareholders Monday. "As we develop the technological framework that will dominate the 21st century, these augmentations-and others to follow-will be powerful wards against competition from the likes of Netscape, Oracle and Melkor who is named Morgoth."

      "Microsoft is the software-industry leader today, and tomorrow it will also dominate the realm of information access, as well as the content being accessed," Gates said. "The continued growth of our Corbis Media archive, the successful development and launch of MSNBC, and my mastery of the shield spells of the Elven King Lagolin are only the beginning for Microsoft."

      Read more

      (Just thought it was funny)

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    4. Re:One DOS to rule them all! by HE'sSpartacus · · Score: 1

      heh, reminds me of this:

      Recently one of my friends, a computer wizard, payed me a visit.
      As we were talking I mentioned having recently installed Windows 98 on my PC and that I am very happy with this
      operating system. I also showed him the Windows 98 CD, to my surprise he threw it
      into my micro-wave oven and turned on the oven. Instantly I got very upset,
      because the CD had become precious to me, but he said: 'Do not worry, it is unharmed.'
      After a few minutes he took the CD out, gave it to me and said: 'Take a close
      look at it.' To my surprise the CD was quite cold to hold and it seemed to be heavier
      than before. At first I could not see anything, but then on the inner edge of the
      central hole I saw an inscription; an inscription finer than anything I have ever seen
      before. The inscription shone piercingly bright, and yet remote, as if out of
      a great depth:

      4F6E65204F5320746F2072756C65207468656D20616C6C2C 20 4F6E65204F5320746 F2066696E64207468656D2CDA4F6E65204F5320746F2062726 96E67207468656D20 616C6C20616E6420696E20746865206461726B6E6573732062 696E64207468656D

      'I cannot understand the fiery letters,' I said.
      'No,' he said 'but I can. The letters
      are Hex, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Microsoft, which I shall not
      utter here. But in common English this is what it says:

      One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
      One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

  43. Encyclopedia of Arda by Col.+Panic · · Score: 2

    If you are a Tolkien fan and haven't already seen it, please check out this site.

  44. Re:FIRE JON KATZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least even he has the sense not to bless us with a screed on "life in the post Colum ^H^H^H^H WTC world".

    "Hey, this is Nixon's enemies list, you just crossed out his name and wrote yours on top!"

  45. Re:Tolkien was a practicing Catholic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate is not a family value.

    I think Tuesday's massacre should have driven that home.

  46. Katz is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is news??

  47. Chris Tolkien's massive "History of Middle Earth" by peter303 · · Score: 2

    After his father's death, Chris has published twelve annotated volumes of his father's notes in the
    "History of Middle Earth" series. These are unpublished tales, alternative drafts, and background notes.
    An incrediable amount of "what if" detail for the most ardent fans. Its been a while since I read
    one of these, but I recall the material thinning out later in the series, as one leaves the main trilogy.
    A flavor of these are in the appendix of the main LOTR volumes.

  48. Re:Tolkien passage - National Lampoon more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was written by the National Review.

    And I'm not only inaccurrate, I'm annonyingly redundant!

  49. Re:i think i failed this geek test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hobbits are just stupid

    And you, sir, are quite the mental giant. I can tell by your excellent spelling and grammar, and by the exceptional clarity with which you've expressed yourself.

  50. See some of those pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are some pictures that I too possess and many more on this site. An url I know by heart longer since I had Internet Access, at a time when I had to actually visit one of the very first Internet Cafés in my country, while owning a 14'400 modem but no inet access.

    Amazingly, the url is still valid and works fine.

    ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/pictures/fantasy/Tolkien/

    I hope the server owners forgive me :)

    CU

    Draxinusom

    (PS, the famous and great albeit now stopped Ultima game series by Richard Gariott is/was heavily influenced by Tolkien which can be seen by his "borrowing" of the runic alphabet as well as familiarly sounding locations and people. Read the name of the big swamp in U7:2 backwards!)

  51. Re:Tolkien was a practicing Catholic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't you know?

    Neo-Paganism means never having to acknowlege good in anything remotely Christian.

    And Neo-Paganism is trendy at the moment.

    Deal with it.

  52. Allegory! Not Analogy was Re:Written DURRING WWII by dbretton · · Score: 1

    The "great quote" was not that he detested analogy.

    He detested allegory. Big Difference.

    -D

  53. Images of Middle-Earth by nomaad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://fan.theonering.net/rolozo/

    Huge image gallery. Check it out.

  54. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are lies. Hitler was a neo-pagan, not a Christian of any sort. He worshipped Odin and Thor, not Jesus. He never studied to be a priest.

    Take your blood-libel elsewhere.

  55. I loved those crit charts! by cthulhubob · · Score: 1

    At least, I loved reading through them.

    We totally revised the cit system before playing, of course. But some of them were great to read.

    And you have to admit, they did come closer to making medieval style combat realistic than, say, AD&D. (where on one memorable occasion, a level 20 fighter got breathed acid on by a black dragon and was able to continue fighting at no penalty, still having over half his hit points.)

    --

    In post-9/11 America, the CIA interrogates YOU!
  56. Re:i think i failed this geek test by eadint · · Score: 0

    well considering that im multitasking all the time and trying to do about three or four things simultaniously, i guess spelling gets thrown buy the wayside. actually i was hoping to hear from other people who liked things like. space above and beyond and such. im not trying to be a mental giant . but i do have an opinion. and i guess since this is a slow day. im only doing three things at the same time today. i thought id post some comments on my favorit web site

  57. Tolkien Battle Lords. by broody · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok sure, this may not be totaly "on topic" but it is the background to what turned me into a Tolkien fanatic.

    I play a LARP, called Dagorhir battlegames, that combines Tolkien's Middle Earth, the Dark Ages, and pure fantasy in a full contact combat sport. It is the most fun that I have had in years and is an amazingly cheap yet rewording hobby.

    Check out the website. Look at the pictures. See you at the next battle!

    --
    ~~ What's stopping you?
  58. Re:Sig by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    God bless America. Lock-n-Load!


    "Amen brother, and pass the ammunition!" -common Christian saying

  59. Whats the link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone have a link to some pics? Sounds cool I would love to see them. Someone scan em in and post em. ;)

  60. Re:Are you willing to defend your way of life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, why haven't we heard any of these hypothetical "rational Muslims" speaking out against these terrorist attacks? Has Saudi Arabia condemned the attacks yet?

    It seems to me that any civilized country that can live in this hetrongenous world peacefully would find the killing of innocent civilians by anyone to be repgunant.

  61. Re:i think i failed this geek test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying, "hobbits are just stupid" isn't just an opinion, it's an insult. And it's an insult not only to Tolkien but to anyone who enjoys reading him. It implies not only its basic intent, but also that anyone who likes them is also stupid.

    How busy you are is no excuse for hurling out childish insults.

    P.S. This only took me about 30 seconds to type and you'll notice proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. It's more about effort than it is about time.

  62. Your argument is ridiculous by Von+Rex · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Who said anything about killing all Moslems? The topic on hand is the killing of terrorists. Start with those who have "claimed responsibility" for fatal bombings -- in other words, confessed to murder. Continue with those heads of states, and their cabinets, that support terrorism. Yeah, it's war. But it's necessary, unless you want to see a mushroom cloud over an American city one day.

    This is a great opportunity for advancement of Moslem societies, as they'll have a little help in the removal of their most ignorant, medieval elements. Maybe they'll now be able to catch up to the level of democracy, freedom, and prosperity of, say, sub-Saharan Africa. Maybe you should ask Germany and Japan if eliminating their evil leaders was a good thing or not for their countries.

  63. Re:Elementary error - not a trilogy by mcarbone · · Score: 3, Informative

    He made another common error as well. To quote Douglas Anderson, who wrote the 'Note on the Text' published in the 1994 Harper Collins edition of Lord of the Rings:

    "The Lord of the Rings is often erroneously called a trilogy, when it is in fact a single novel, consisting of six books plus appendices, sometimes published in three volumes."

    This fact is confirmed by Tolkien in his Foreward, where he often refers the tale as one large volume.

    --

    The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone else when we're uncool. -Crowe
  64. Katz is wrong by Phase+Shifter · · Score: 1
    I have to agree with what Corvar wrote below.

    Not only was the Silmarillion compiled after Tolkien's death, but The Hobbit was first published in 1938. That's quite an accomplishment if, as Katz says, Tolkien's family inspired to write it after WWII.

    1. Re:Katz is wrong by sithdork · · Score: 1

      you may have a point.. but i'm not sure, i published something 2 years ago that i wrote 13 years ago.. publishing dates do not have anything to do with writing.

      --
      .sigs are either a sign of weakness or genius...
  65. Re:Tolkien was a practicing Catholic by Araneas · · Score: 1
    Trendy? Hmmm then why have I been practising it for a decade and a half?

    Part of the beauty of paganism, neo or otherwise is that it promotes acceptance rather than rejection even when it comes to deities. If you have many gods, whats one more even if his name is J.C.?

    One doesn't have to acknowledge anything good in christianity but you do not have to deny there's anything good either.

    [Shrug] open your mind bub.

  66. Hobbit's Ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No where in the books, as far as I know, are hobbits, elves, or dwarves described as having pointed ears, yet the movie and most paintings depict them with pointed ears. How do you think Tolkien envisioned them?

  67. Bill the Hobbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once there was a little hobbit. It was not a big hobbit and it didn't go out and play much with the other hobbits, but it was very good at fashioning things. One day, almost by accident, it fashioned a magic ring. The ring could make beautiful colors and wonderful sounds like bleeps and squawks appear. He used the ring to make copies of itself and sold them to the other hobbits. But these copies didn't always work, so the little hobbit made new revised version of the rings and sold these to the other hobbits. Of course these were also defective, being only copies of the one true ring. The hobbits complained, but by now the little hobbit was rich and had a big castle with magic walls and he didn't care what the other hobbits thought.

    One day the king heard of the little hobbit and put him on trial. After much legal wrangling the little hobbit was found guilty of defrauding the other hobbits. He felt remorseful and recalled all the defective rings. He allowed others to make their own rings and came up with a simpler, more reliable version of his own ring. All the hobbits were happy and lived in cooperation ever after. Fairy Tale? Of course.

  68. Tolkien's World, La La la-la by Unknown+Bovine+Group · · Score: 1

    Sadly, I must face the fact that I've entered the world of parenthood when I see "Tolkien's World" and immediately think of "Elmo's World".

    La la la-la, (la la la-la), Tolkien's World...

    --
    m00.
  69. Tolkien wasn't very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a teenager I read and loved everything Tolkien wrote, but not long ago, looking for something to do, I picked up The Hobbit again and began reading. As I read, I realized why my teachers had never been particularly hot on Tolkien. His writing really isn't very good. Yes, he opened the door on a new genre and for that is certainly worthy of a respected place in literature. But his characters are weakly drawn and his plots are about as stimulating as watching paint dry. My English teachers, it turns out, were right. Read him if you like him, but he's not a good writer. Not at all.

  70. Shame, Shame by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here we have what was potentially an interesting review of a book covering a topic that many of us love. How sad is it that the introduction to the story contains several errors. I'm not the biggest fan of the Professor's work, but can we have some elementary research?

    The Silmarillion was begun (I believe) while Tolkien was a teen. It really began taking shape during his service in WWI and during his college years.

    The Hobbit literally began as a bedtime story Tolkien created for his children. The decision to publish it, after much debate, ultimately came from the son of one of the publishers.

    Upon the moderate success of The Hobbit, Allen & Unwin asked Tolkien for another work describing Hobbits. Tolkien resisted for a while, but finally agreed sometine during WWII. During the late 40's, Tolkien wrote to his publishers saying that the project was bigger than he originally anticipated. The Lord of the Rings was in progress.

    Contrary to what many believe, LOTR was not his Life's work (it is also not a trilogy, a point he argued many times). It and The Hobbit are merely sidebars to the project he worked on for most of his life, revising and editing, and ultimately never finished: The Silmarillion. Tolkien did prefess the purpose for this work was to be an alternate mythology for Earth, because he feared that so much mythology from many cultures had been lost.

    So, not only was Tolkien inpsired enough to create these stunning works, he also regarded it as a gift to all, past present and future.

    Hopefully JonKatz will respect what has been given him by presenting factual information about Toklien and his Works in his future articles on the subject.

  71. Tolkien chronology by whosit · · Score: 1

    Jon,

    Being a fan of Dr. Tolkien for my entire life I feel a need to point out that your timeline is wrong in the opening statement. The Hobbit was a originally a story he told his children as they were growing up. He published the first edition of the Hobbit in 1936. This story actually followed the "lie" the Biblo told the Dwarves regarding how he acquired the The Ring. It wasn't until the Lord of the Rings came out in the early 50's that he went back to revise the Hobbit to follow the Prelude he incorporated in the Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit was such a success that his publishers immediately started clamouring for a "sequel". The trilogy is in actuality a single book but it was published in three separate parts for the consumers. He started writing the books in 1938. The Silmarillion as it was published was a collection of short stories that Christopher his oldest son put together and edited into one story, published in 1977, 4 years after his death. It was a work in constant revision, check out Unfinished Tales. The stories characters relations and interactions changed from story to story. It was never finished by John himself. Now that the history lesson is over, I'll get off my soapbox.

  72. attribution by shpoffo · · Score: 1

    I'm planning on pseudo-distributing this quote - if you'd like more an attribution than 'peter303' please email me. I (nor anyone else) are going to make any money from it.

    -shpoffo

  73. shame, shame - you assume too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully JonKatz will respect what has been given him by presenting factual information about Toklien and his Works in his future articles on the subject.

    You're assuming that Katz is actually willing to get off his flabby, white (but pimpled) butt and do some research.

  74. Here's nice ring icon by Otto · · Score: 2

    Only took me a few minutes to make, from a nicely rendered 3d wallpaper that I found very long ago. Just reduced the size and changed the background to white.

    Click Here. Sorry for the annoying banner ad, but it's free webhosting, so what the heck, eh?

    --
    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
    1. Re:Here's nice ring icon by Raven17 · · Score: 1

      Bitchin'! That looks REALLY good.

  75. clinton-loving moderators strike again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    offtopic ? perhaps
    but underrated ? try funny next time you clinton-bots !
    wait'll i meta-moterate your smarly little behind

  76. Here's a suggestion: keep it legal. by devphil · · Score: 2


    Don't leave it up to the imagination of the /. editors, or we'll get another SPAM icon, going against the wishes of trademark holders.

    You might consider going to the Tolkien estate and asking them for icon suggestions. Betcha they've already come up with some good ones... the small one with his initials all merged together is really really nice, but of course that's the official estate logo.

    --
    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  77. 40 is NOT old! by Nino+the+Mind+Boggle · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... dang whippersnappers ...

    --
    ------ "Darn floor. Big bite." (Koko the gorilla's best attempt at explaining the experience of an earthquake.)
  78. David Wenzel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might try David Wenzel's version of the Hobbit. For a preview, check out:

    http://pages.cthome.net/wenzelart/hobbit/porthobbi t.html

  79. You've read Tolkien, now play the game - T2T by Kiaradune · · Score: 1

    Since 1994, a free game has existed on the internet for Tolkien fans from around the world to immerse themselves in his world.
    The game is created by volunteers, for free. It's a game by Tolkien fans, for Tolkien fans, and it's growing in size all the time.
    To play it, you need a computer with internet access, and a good imagination usually helps.

    The Two Towers is open to all, and welcomes new players.

    I'll see you there!
    ~J

    --
    This space for rent.
  80. Check out MUME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a pencil and paper RPG, but a MUD rather. Still, it's quite addictive.

    http://www.mume.org/
    telnet://mume.org

  81. Some inaccuracies in the coming LOTR film by Xouba · · Score: 1

    Ok. All my friends tell me that I'm very picky for these things, but I must tell them or I'll burst into pieces :-)

    Boromir's hair is dark! And not semi-blonde or almost-red like it appears in the trailer. Wrong wrong wrong. Dark. He's a descendant of the Westernesse men, and so his hair is dark. It's said in several places in the book. His hair is dark. Do you know what color is Boromir's hair? Good boy.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I've seen Legolas' eyebrows (I think that's the word) ... black. And he's a blonde elf. Someone explain to me. Is it some kind of fashion? Blonde elves with black eyebrows get more chicks? Did he run out of painting when trying to dye his hair blonde? What color is his other corporal hair? Has he any other corporal hair, by the way? If not, that could explain that appeal that men had for elven girls. You know, "the bear and the men, the more hairy the more cute" (totally untranslatable saying around here)

    I'm not going to speak about the whole mess that I feel will be introducing Arwen into the mix. But it will be. I'm not going to say that it's fundamentally wrong and that the film could be better without her (though Liv Tyler is utterly cute, of course). But it could be.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward a lot to see P. Jackson's film. These are only a few glitches that I don't think can spoil the whole film. It's just that I'm very anal with this kind of things :-)

    Xouba

  82. Wasn't an allegory either by PCM2 · · Score: 2
    What's more, this sentence:
    After World War II, the family of J.R.R. Tolkien, who was teaching philology at Oxford at the time, encouraged him to use his intense imagination for mythology to deal with more wordly topics.
    ...seems to carry on the oft-cited belief that LotR was some kind of symbolic parable of the events of World War II (or, more accurately, it would have been of World War I). Tolkien himself of course refutes this idea in his preface. (Was it the "Preface to the Second Edition"?) He goes as far as to explicitly state how much he detests allegory, in general.
    --
    Breakfast served all day!
  83. Re:Attention all good hearted americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot "Anonymous Coward"

  84. Hunt in used bookstores by BlackHat · · Score: 1

    Tolken:A look behind the Lord of the Rings, Lin Carter 1969 Ballantine Books.

  85. Re:LOTR icon on Slashdot, smoking pipe ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * A v. small pic of tolkien + pipe (cf. biography pic)

    I'd like this idea the most if the topic is restrained to Tolkien's work. At least, the image ins't restricted to "the" ring which we see much too often. Especially when considering it's malefic nature.

    The JRRT rune would probably be the best idea but it's use might be restricted. Though, in that case, it would be stupid not to ask.

  86. Almost Correct by Tulkas · · Score: 1

    I believe you are the closest to the truth about Tolkiens works. But is wasn't an alternate mythology for Earth. It is a mythology for the English. There are Greek, Roman, Finnish, etc mythology and now there is an English Mythology. In a few millenia the stories will become real mythology and I'm sure Tolkien will be smiling.

    I have used this Nick on IRC for as long as I can remember and I use it here on Slashdot. Kudos to whoever knows who it is.

    1. Re:Almost Correct by iJoel · · Score: 1

      I believe you are the closest to the truth about Tolkiens works. But is wasn't an alternate mythology for Earth. It is a mythology for the English.

      Random thoughts:

      There ought to be many different English mythologies, given the waves of invasions over the centuries.

      I know it's not an allegory, but I've always seen the Shire as England. I mean, c'mon... shire.

      My favorite Arthurian re-telling is The Mists of Avalon. Anybody else agree?

      I've never really liked seeing artists' mental pictures of Middle Earth, although I know I couldn't draw my own. I think (hope) I'll be able to enjoy the movies because my impression of the characters is more of their personalities than their looks, so as long as the accents don't rub me wrong (like Keanu Reeves in Dracula) I'll be OK.

      I just re-read LOTR at age 33. I first read them at about 11. They seemed like totally different books; chalk it up to education or the wisdom of age (ha!). I actually read and somewhat enjoyed the poetry this time around. Convinced my wife to read them for the 1st time, and she loved them. Now only the kids remain...

      I have used this Nick [Tulkas] on IRC for as long as I can remember and I use it here on Slashdot. Kudos to whoever knows who it is.

      OK. I give up. Do you have a winner yet? What's it mean? Google search turned up this, but I still don't get it, and it's late:

      http://www.tulkas.com/

      --
      --- iJoel
  87. Beauty! by Biker+Jim · · Score: 1

    Nice review. Thanks for the research and info, really been a long time since I thought about things "Tolkienesque" (love that word). needed a break any way. May the gods of middle earth smile on you ;-)

  88. The second book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yes, the second book is called 'The Two Towers'... The movie makers are going to have a hell of a time to promote this.

  89. But that robs the story... by sasha328 · · Score: 1

    Of a lot of what it is worth. The beauty of Tolkien's work in Lord of the Rings, is the ability to amke the reader a part of that world. I'd rather imagine the trolls or Gandalf, or Bilbo etc, than have some one else imprint his/her imagination on me through their images. I'm glad I read that book a few times now, and a few years ago. I plan on watching the movies. I hope I am not disappointed.

  90. Haven't you heard this one? by Anderlan · · Score: 1

    A somewhat more optimistic version, one I thought was well known in Linux circles. (I include Peter303's beginning, which is good and which I had not heard.)

    Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass;
    Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow;
    Nine from dot.coms doomed to die;
    One from the carefree student, at his icy home
    In the bright land of Linux, where the Hackers play.

    One OS to rule them all! One OS to find them!
    One OS to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them,
    In the bright land of Linux, where the Hackers play.

    --
    KLAATU, BORADA, NIh*ahem*