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Simplicity In the Age Of The GUI

evenprime writes: "Wired is running a story on Mark Hurst's extremely retro GoodEasy computing environment, and how it's old fashioned *nix approach to computing -- flat text, small simple programs that can be chained together -- increases user productivity" It's an interesting, hyper-simple approach, though any user outside of Mark's agency would have to apply some creative adaption. Every few months, I try to re-organize and simplify the documents and programs on my system, this looks like a good experiment for the next time.

238 comments

  1. I guess... by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How does this help me use my computer to produce music, layout a magazine or produce commercial art? Believe it or not computers have grown to be a whole lot more than e-mail, news and web. In fact most of those elements themselves are actually anti-productive most of the time. Being productive on a computer requires more than plain text and 5 simple programs...

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    1. Re:I guess... by weslocke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would really depend on whether or not you're wanting to produce music, layout a magazine, and whatnot. If you're wanting to just use the applications included (Calendar, very lightweight web browser, email, etc) then I imagine it would be great. Definitely cuts out the bloat.

      If you use a *NIX then you probably know the ease of running Lynx to hit a webpage, or just WGET'ing a file real quick. Let alone hitting Pine for email, or a ton of other oft-used apps without the overhead of a GUI environment. (Plus remember the hardware requirements that come with a decent GUI environment.)

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    2. Re:I guess... by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How does this help me use my computer to produce music, layout a magazine or produce commercial art?

      It doesn't. But then, that's like saying that a saw is a lousy tool because it won't drive a nail easily. And a mouse and keyboard in a GUI is (IMO) a horrible tool to produce music. That's why we have MIDI keyboards and hardware mixing boards that interface to computers. And why we still sell guitars, violins and flutes in the age of computers. The slight nuances that I can add completely intuitively with a fretboard far outstrip the control you can have with a mouse interface.

      That is not to say that purely electronic music is not good, but even people like Chip Davis, Trent Reznor and Wanda Carlos use all sorts of dirty tricks and analog processing to create their music, not just a mouse.

      The right tool for the job... that's the point here.

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      Evan

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    3. Re:I guess... by Villain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He didn't design it to help you produce music, etc. He desinged it to improve the productivity of him and his employees. And it sounds like he did a damn good job.

    4. Re:I guess... by jgerman · · Score: 1
      Bullcrap. You can layout a magazine using LaTex. You can produce musiv in the same way with some creativity or here's a radical idea, use an instrument.


      Besides the fact that raising productivity as a whole is more than you just creating art. If one hundred other users raise their productivity for every one of you, productivity is raised, regardless of the negative impact on yours.

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    5. Re:I guess... by weslocke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually they probably spent their money getting out of their parents' basements.

      You might want to start saving.

      (Aren't AC's wonderful?)

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      'Life is like a spoonful of Drain-O, it feels good on the way down but leaves you feeling hollow inside'
    6. Re:I guess... by rfsayre · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And a mouse and keyboard in a GUI is (IMO) a horrible tool to produce music. That's why we have MIDI keyboards and hardware mixing boards that interface to computers. And why we still sell guitars, violins and flutes in the age of computers. The slight nuances that I can add completely intuitively with a fretboard far outstrip the control you can have with a mouse interface.
      I'm sure the "slight nuances" you can add on your fretboard are great, and no doubt difficult to model on a computer. But you seem to be ignoring the vast DSP possibilities of the computer. There are plenty of tools that benefit enormously from computer GUIs, I'm thinking of sound-visualisation tools and signal flow models. There's a whole world of sound that exists nowhere except the computer. I notice that you didn't advocate analog sequencers over Cubase, Logic, et al. Of course a computer is no substitute for an real violin, but a violin is no substitute for a computer either. There is no Drum and Bass violin music (I hope).

      I've always seen the Unix way of doing things (small chainable components) as derived from patchboard/signal flow ideas that are used in music studios among other things. But that doesn't mean it 's the only way, or can't be improved upon. The GoodEasy solution to the interface pap from MS, Apple, KDE, Gnome, etc. is nostalgia. This may work quite well for math and word processing tasks (hurst's intented purpose), but productivity in many fields has nothing to do with anything of the sort. The main problem I see with creative tasks and the Unix way is that it constantly forces the user to interact with the file system, which can be a needless distraction.

    7. Re:I guess... by sydb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main problem I see with creative tasks and the Unix way is that it constantly forces the user to interact with the file system, which can be a needless distraction.

      A needless distraction from what? One of the beauties of Unix is that everything is a file, hence once the user knows how to handle files, they know how to handle everything. "Interacting with the file system" is just a long way of saying "using the computer". So, needless distraction from what?

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    8. Re:I guess... by iabervon · · Score: 2

      Well, if you do one of those things, you should find a similarly straightforward program to do it with, and use that. But you'll probably be much more efficient if you don't have to scroll past programs for all of the tasks that you don't normally do to get to the program you actually use. Furthermore, you shouldn't lay out memos or presentation slides as if they were magazines, or sketch diagrams as if they were commercial art.

      You certainly shouldn't use a set of programs that's insufficient for your tasks, but it's just as bad and more common to use a program that's excessively complicated for your tasks.

    9. Re:I guess... by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From the Jargon File:

      IMHO

      (From SF fandom via Usenet) In My Humble Opinion. Also seen in variant forms such as IMO, IMNSHO (In My Not-So-Humble Opinion) and IMAO (In My Arrogant Opinion).

      a violin is no substitute for a computer either. There is no Drum and Bass violin music

      Again, the point is: The right tool for the job. Trying to draw a wave form for the vocal lines of Pie Jesu would be ludicrous (*if* you're going for a human feel), but the Mighty Steven Hawking is damn cool. Jimi Hendrix's legendary performance of the US National Anthem is great, as is Lords of Acid's Sexy Space Chorale, which wouldn't be the same without computer use.

      You're talking to someone who spent months on Amiga and PCs using various software and hand assembling MOD files (or before that, did 6502 asm to generate Star Trek themes on the Apple ][). I'm well aware of the fact that computers can generate music in ways that acoustic inturments cannot.

      The point is - right tool for the job. Keeping my phone book drawn in the gimp would work. I keep it in a text file, and grep -i for names. There are a myriad of "right tools" and "wrong tools"... I use Konqueror to browse, and often wget files. All of this proves the *authors* point that you use the tools you got used to rather than what might be better or faster.

      Music wasn't the best path to go down... the thread will invariably wind up somewhere devolving into a debate on shielding on patch cords. ;)

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      Evan (Who was up all night, and shuddered when he read the ramble above).

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    10. Re:I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you could lay out a magazine using LaTeX, but you still need to or edit the graphics for it somewhere. Also, anyone who has done work with LaTeX knows how often you need to preview DVI files. How are you going to do that without a graphical environment?

    11. Re:I guess... by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "One of the beauties of Unix is that everything is a file, hence once the user knows how to handle files, they know how to handle everything."

      Once the user knows how to handle files, they know how to handle files. Certainly to do something useful, even under Unix, requires more knowlege than that.

    12. Re:I guess... by rfsayre · · Score: 2
      One of the beauties of Unix is that everything is a file, hence once the user knows how to handle files, they know how to handle everything. "Interacting with the file system" is just a long way of saying "using the computer".

      Unix is beautifiul. I don't dispute that. However, "interacting with the file system" and "using the computer" are different things. Of course any program is interacting with the file system on some level, but the fact of the matter is that all large (in scope and/or people) creative projects benefit from content management systems that handle the actual manipulation of files. So while Unix often provides the underpinning for these systems, the user isn't required to where anything is, where to put it after an operation is performed, etc. None of that stuff is particularly complex, making it a perfect candidate for automation.

      So, needless distraction from what?

      Writing, composing, drawing, maybe even, dare I say, coding.

    13. Re:I guess... by tshak · · Score: 2

      But then, that's like saying that a saw is a lousy tool because it won't drive a nail easily.

      You're philosphy is correct when we are talking about a Palm Pilot, not a multipurpose machine. If you want a simplified tool, buy a $99 PDA (for example). A computer IS designed to enable us to do many things - it is not designed to do very simple and specific things well.

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    14. Re:I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A computer IS designed to enable us to do many things - it is not designed to do very simple and specific things well."

      Why not? What simple and specific things can a general-purpose computer not do with the proper software and hardware? Yes, one needs to properly configure the computer first, but once that's done, anyone else can install that GrandeFuBarr subsystem's components and do the same simple, specific thing.

    15. Re:I guess... by JabberWokky · · Score: 1
      Do you mean Wendy Carlos?

      No, Walter Carlos. ;) Yes, you're very correct... and I should be ashamed, since I listen to hir work quite often.

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      Evan (Ya know... Switched-On Bach, Tron, Clockwork Orange, Disney's Electrical Light Parade)

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    16. Re:I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the Linux part is correct. What a shitty 'workstation'

    17. Re:I guess... by HamNRye · · Score: 2

      Files = DATA Computers manipulate data.

      Using a computer=Maniputalting data=Maniputalting Files

      I currently use a cli program for mixdown, as well as sequencing. I am sure that many people enjoy clicking on staves to make up a bass line, and then clicking option buttons until the time of the note is right, etc... This is soooo annoying.

      The reality of it is that it is more efficient to maintain a file with the sequencing pattern in it. Also, because the file is plain text, other applications can understand it. (I can actually read it.)

      But to keep it simple, XML is an ASCII text standard. One that is supposed to bring about a new era of interoperability. You do the math.

      ~Hammy

    18. Re:I guess... by unitron · · Score: 2
      Not sure that I've ever heard anyone advocate unshielded patch cords, even balanced ones.

      Now whether to ground the shield at one end (and if so, which one) or both, now there's a good way to start up a red hot holy war.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    19. Re:I guess... by rumba · · Score: 1

      How does this help me use my computer to produce music
      Here's a scripting language to make music. You won't need a GUI for it.

    20. Re:I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a couple nitpicky points....

      Files = DATA Computers manipulate data.

      True, but it's not so simple. Not all data is in files, not all files merely hold data. There are files the user needs to interact with ("documents") and there are configuration files, and drivers, etc. What would a user want to mess with a "swapfile" for? Why should the user even see it?

      But to keep it simple, XML is an ASCII text standard. One that is supposed to bring about a new era of interoperability.

      Actually, (just to nitpick) XML is a Unicode text standard. :) Of course, it also is a standard that is "supposed to bring about a new era of interoperability."

      - MFN

    21. Re:I guess... by sydb · · Score: 2

      That depends on your definition of 'handle'.

      And if you just define it as 'locate, select' then you're right, that's not enough to do something useful. But once you've done those two operations, the filesystem no longer enters the equation. It is no longer a distraction.

      If you define it as using standard Unix tools like awk, grep, sed, vi, cut, paste, join, split, tee, etc., then there are plenty useful things you can do on a computer, just 'handling' files.

      I think the whole 'the filesystem is a distraction' line is really just a distraction.

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    22. Re:I guess... by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      So you're saying the beauty of Unix is that if you know how to handle files including knowing how to use standard tools like awk, grep, sed, vi, cut, paste, join, split, tee, etc. then you know everthing.

    23. Re:I guess... by sydb · · Score: 2

      I don't think I said that. Do you?

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  2. I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by connorbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...though why Office 98? It's a well-executed program, but it's a monstrosity...

    A simple desktop is not a bad idea, and it's sort of a shame that what he's doing doesn't really apply to OS X (there's a reason Apple hides the Unix directories from public view -- it can get very confusing).

    I have one particular thing I've always done on Macs that's worth mentioning, though -- I keep a tabful of aliases down on the bottom corner of the screen of both of my Macs (near the trash, but just far enough away) that lead to various important applications on my system (BBEdit, Netscape, Stuffit, etc.). It's a great convenience factor for me, and since it all snaps out of the way it manages to avoid ugly desktop clutter.

    /Brian

    1. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Tabs in MacOS (8.0 and later, I think) are one of the best user interfaces ever developed. I don't just have one tab, I have six, breaking up my aliases to different applications into logical categories. It's an amazing time saver, and beats the Windoz start menu by a long shot. Unfortunately, tabbed windows are not present in OSX (at least, not as I remember... my personal machine is too slow for OSX, but plenty fast for LinuxPPC).

    2. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, tabbed folders are great. Takes a little while to setup, but so does practically everything else on a computer. I haven't seen them used anywhere else though, and those were one of the things I really liked about the Mac OS (I'm on a Windoze ME PC right now. Yes, it's making me contemplate suicide it sucks so much. It'll be replaced with linux once I get the NIC working). Anyone know how to have the equivelent on a Windoze or linux system?

    3. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. The heirarchical menus in Windows, BeOS, GNOME, and KDE are more flexible, easier to set up, and take up less screen real estate. A better solution in MacOS would have been to make the Apple menu heirarchical.

      What I did in OS X was to put the 5-6 most commonly used apps in the dock and then set up a folder heirarchy full of aliases for the rest (which I keep a link to in the dock). Unfortunately, I find that OS X falls well short of both OS 9 and Win2K in the usability department. The UI is a bad hybrid of MacOS and OpenStep where they seem to have taken the worst elements from each.

    4. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by WildBeast · · Score: 1

      I suggest you give WindowsXP a try

    5. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahahaha....if Windows XP could run on a Mac he might....but since it is designed for x86 hardware your comment is quite useless...

    6. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      The Apple Menu has been hierarchical since System 7.5, with third party INITs and CDEVs to do the same thing (often better, IMHO) since System 7.

      Of course, one wonders why we're trying to cram things into menus, when the only reason for doing so seems to be that menus are what come out of the menubar. No reason why a more folder-like object could not do so, or why these menus must be based on information in some obscure part of the file structure, etc. OS X is pretty crappy, I agree -- Win2K has some good points, but is also pretty bad. If only the MacOS had significantly improved since ~1990, we might really be somewhere.

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    7. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, what I meant was that I wish the contents of the Apple mirrored a simple folder heirarchy so that it's trivial for users to manage it's contents.

      But anyway, I like launching programs via menus rather than folders. All it takes is a second or so and one click to access things a couple levels deep. I hate having to open up (and later close) multiple Finder windows just to launch a program. So does every MacOS user it seems, which is why 3rd-party add-ons are so popular. One of the few things I *do* like about OS X is the NeXT like column view in the Finder, which makes it a lot easier to navigate deep into a folder heirarchy.

    8. Re:I'll say this -- this guy knows his Macs by scrod · · Score: 1

      If you HAVE a simple folder heirarchy on your hard drive, then all you have to do is make an alias of the folder and put it in your Apple Menu Items folder. Because guess what--those heirarchical menus exist due to the EXISTANCE of a folder heirarchy. The menus DO mirror the contents of the Apple Menu Items folder! What more are you asking for? It seems to me like you either have never really used the Mac OS or you're just looking for things to find wrong with it.

  3. naw, skrew simple by eoPh · · Score: 0

    personally, i want a nifty 3d gui kinda design where i've gotta don a pair of goggles and some gloves just to open a file :]

    yea, that'd be cool. maybe i can get it to run on old macs too, so i can hack the gibson!!!

  4. Clear the desktop??? by zephc · · Score: 5, Funny

    But thats where i keep all my STUFF!!

    *tip of the hat to The Tick*

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    1. Re:Clear the desktop??? by Ghoser777 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So do I, but you really shouldn't. It would be like taking all your bills, letters, homework assignments (or real work), picturers, porn, etc and threw them into a big pile on your desk. It's a lot faster to find them all if they're not all on the desk top and sorted in some meaningful fashion. Hey, I hate it when I can't find my porn fast... err... nevermind.

      F-bacher

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    2. Re:Clear the desktop??? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find it much easier to find stuff that's been strewn over my desk. Whenever I file it away in a meaningful fashion, it's too much effort to go and find it. Also, out of sight, out of mind...

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    3. Re:Clear the desktop??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organization actually makes it harder for me to find stuff. Whenever I try to look for something, I always forget where I put it...

    4. Re:Clear the desktop??? by sydb · · Score: 2

      Maybe you just need a better filing system. I was going to recommend a system to you, but mine stinks too. I keep running out of drawers.

      Anyone out there got a really good filing system, either real world or computer-based?

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      Yours Sincerely, Michael.
    5. Re:Clear the desktop??? by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? On the Desktop? I never thought about that. I've been saving my stuff in the filing bucket named Recycle Bin. It keeps my files together, and I am protecting Mother Earth by recycling.

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    6. Re:Clear the desktop??? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Obviously you have never learned how to organize then. :)
      (I shouldn't be talking, but the statement is still true)

    7. Re:Clear the desktop??? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      It would be like taking all your bills, letters, homework assignments (or real work), picturers, porn, etc and threw them into a big pile on your desk.

      You say that like it's a bad thing...

      Filing it all under "miscellaneous" not only saves time, it's a religious devotion to the One True Goddess.

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    8. Re:Clear the desktop??? by iceburn · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I call it "File 13".

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    9. Re:Clear the desktop??? by aTMsA · · Score: 1
      I have different folders on my desktop, with files classified by general interest themes(html,linux,starcraft,rendering,roleplaying, ...). when a file has to be under more than one of these i put it in one and make links on the others, i've remover "my files" from my desktop, and whenever an interest theme no longer is interesting(i don't do anything on it since too long) i zip it and put it on c:\my files.

      If my desktop is too cluttered, it's time to move things to "c:\my files".

      Hope this helps.

  5. Good and Easy slashdotted already? by Ghoser777 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Geez, you don't get much simpler than a text file. Maybe they should spend more time working on their server than just the interface.

    But I have to admit the stripped down version of everything to text files sounds effecient and fast - but most users also like the colorful bell and whistles. Might try this out sometime... if I can ever get at that blasted text file.

    F-bacher

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    James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
    1. Re:Good and Easy slashdotted already? by p_trinli · · Score: 1

      I am converting all my personal documents (e.g. to-do list) to simple, clean XHTML that references a central CSS to make them attractive.

      Text files are too simple (I cannot link to web documents easily) and too hard to read (I use muted reds and blues to make headings standout, and set the font to sans-serif).

    2. Re:Good and Easy slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My 1337 document system is Docbook with Jade exports to HTML/Plain text/RTF and XSLT tranformations to XSL-FO then PDF and Postscript.

      XHTML is a moderately high-level language but go higher!

      -jerking off to document management systems since '62 -- oh yeah!

    3. Re:Good and Easy slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > -jerking off to document management systems since '62 -- oh yeah!

      Doesn't it chafe yet?

    4. Re:Good and Easy slashdotted already? by p_trinli · · Score: 1

      I read (and drooled over) most of the comments on the recent Ask Slashdot that dealt with XML documentation. I just think that kind of solution, though very cool, would be overkill for my use.

      I just need to link to the URLs for the latest versions of my software and things like that. However, I can see myself eventually upgrading to your high level system as I find more information to formally document.

  6. bare minimum ? by theDEFT · · Score: 0

    also being a minimalist, i wanted to say that one of the biggest examples of simple holding up to the more robust are muds. I think a lot of people still play those things, despite everquest and such...

  7. cool by pecka · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    others pray to Windows(TM) not to crash their buttholes!

  8. WTC Gone? by GreenJeepMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How can anyone be remotely interested in anything else right now?

    1. Re:WTC Gone? by mblase · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Because the world hasn't stopped turning, that's why. And cold though it sounds, even the deaths of thousands can't completely halt the lives of millions.

    2. Re:WTC Gone? by Ghoser777 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      We can just think about how horrible this tragedy is for 24/7 and get all bent out of shape (like the terrorists want to), or we can calmly multitask and cover other issues of the day as well as thinking about the World Trade Center being airplane bombed. We can't let them stop our way of life.

      I'm not trying to say that everything will be the same as before, because it won't. It will never be business as usual again. But we also cn't freak about this.

      F-bacher

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      James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
    3. Re:WTC Gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm sure CNN and the other news stations would love to have me and the rest of America glued to their TV sets, but that would definitely not be the best way to handle this. Sooner or later life has to go on, and the longer we do nothing but mourn, the more the terrorists won. We will move on, but we definitely won't forget.

  9. To make your computer efficient, think like one. by mblase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My wife uses our Mac at home. She clutters her desktop with icons, rarely empties the trash can unless I tell her it's essential, and (like the article says) never looks for more than one way to do a task, once she's found a way that works.

    My office email is filled with people mailing MS Word documents to me for Web-related projects. Often there's nothing in these documents but plain text and some bolded topic headlines. If I try to convert them to HTML to make my job easier, it doesn't work, because MS litters Word-generated HTML with styles and nonstandard tags that only IE5 can understand, all to make the Web page look as much like the Word doc as possible.

    Friends use instant messenging to send me short, two-sentence "hi"s throughout the day. Half of them use brightly-colored backgrounds, harshly-contrasting text colors, and hard-to-read fonts because they look cool to them. They rarely use good spelling or punctuation to make sentences easier to read. "KISS" is a slogan that has never occurred to them. They probably never empty their desktop trash, either.

    All these people have something in common: they don't think like a computer. It doesn't occur to them that searching for data is easier if everything is in plain text, or that organizing your files into directories makes them easier to archive and find later, or that removing all the pretty colors and fonts and complicated layouts would make it easier for others to read what they've written. They're just here to have fun.

    They're the reason for XP's Luna and MacOS's Aqua. Pretty colors and gradients don't help anyone get the job done, but it makes the computer more "friendly" and less computer-like.

    Meanwhile, I send all my IM's in high-contrast colors and sans-serif fonts. I email plain text whenever possible and RTF whenever it's not. I organize my files pathologically so that I don't have to throw old things away to find new things. And my desktop background picture is only two colors: medium blue and navy, so it doesn't distract or take half a minute to redraw whenever I minimize my browser.

    Because I do think like a computer. I like plain, readable text; I solve problems logically; and (unfortunately) I have a "stateless" memory which loses track of one thing as soon as it starts another. Keeping everything in neat lines and plainly-marked boxes is the only way for me to get any work done.

    But if I didn't spend 8-12 hours a day in front of a computer screen, I probably wouldn't know that. I'd probably prefer the pretty colors and chaotic fonts, too.

  10. The whole idea is good, but.. by thanq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it lacks to take into account needs of different users, as well as it assumes that everyone is an office drone that only does two, three tasks on their default-set Dell with a bunch of aliases everywhere.

    I like the overall idea of simple computing, but the fact is that power users, who use their machines multiple tasks, would not find most of the recommendations in this article useful.

    Sorting out and organizing stuff according to your preference and style of computing is something that may work best for you.

    I think that saying that 'this is the only good way' or 'this is the good way, other way is a bad way' is shortsighted and unreasonable. Some people cannot afford to have only 4 folders for specific purposes. And desktop was a designed as a place for aliases that allows you to organize and speed up the workflow.

    After all, I feel that "GoodEasy" computing environment is not one that is as simple, basic, and unified as it can be. The real "GoodEasy" computing environment is the one that allows you to feel most comfortable in and lets you be most productive, depending on the tasks, work ethic, type of work, and your preferences.

    1. Re:The whole idea is good, but.. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      Try and keep in mind that studies have shown that people can be more productive with an interface that is NOT appealing to them than one that IS appealing to them, as long as the interface is designed well. So saying, "I like it better this way, so it must be faster" is false. Actually, take a look at that statement carefully, and it seems to me that it's rarely true.

      It may be easier to think of it in real world terms. It doesn't really matter that some people would like the gas pedal on the left, or the shifting stick on the roof or whatever. A car has a fairly standard interface, and arguably, it's because this interface is well designed that it works so well. If you don't like it, too bad. Get used to it.

      Try reading 'The Humane Interface' by Jef Raskin. He explains the whole thing better than I do. But don't get sucked into the trap that because something is subjectively more appealing, it makes you more productive.

  11. Simple solution are the best by jjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people these days think they need complexity in there life. Most of the time there are simple solutions that will solve our problems

    1. Re:Simple solution are the best by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

      Most people these days think they need complexity in there life. Most of the time there are simple solutions that will solve our problems

      "Complexity" and "simple" need to be clarified here. For example, you could write text file filters in a subset of pure C. But it is much, much easier to just use Perl or Python or TCL. There is much, much more complexity under the hood in this case, but you can ignore that and just write a script. On the one hand, you have a tool that makes things easy, but actually has 18 megabytes of code hidden away. Or you could have 2K of code, but the user is expected to do more for himself. Is that really simpler?

    2. Re:Simple solution are the best by eric17 · · Score: 1

      Yep, but those "simple" solutions are usually slower or less efficient. The history of technology is to evolve simple interfaces to complicated, but better, solutions in order to appeal to the vast majority of non-technologists.

    3. Re:Simple solution are the best by p_trinli · · Score: 1

      Which moderators-on-crack modded this crap up?

  12. I've been doing this for a long time. by dwlemon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And I think most people who program under some kind of unix do too. It's a combination of the GUI and the command line, not choosing between the two.

    Windows users can't seem to grasp it for some reason. In my Red Hat class last quarter, whenever the Windows users needed a terminal they hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a virtual console instead of just opening a terminal emulator. And when they did discover that the terminal emu did everything that the console did, they still didn't grasp the idea that they could have more than one terminal on the screen at once.

    The only problem is that no operating system default is set up exactly how I want, so when I get to a new system, it takes me a while to set everything up the way I like... it's especially silly having to carry around a copy of my .emacs and .Xresources files that I can't work without (I can use vi just fine though). At least my preferences aren't in some registry.

    1. Re:I've been doing this for a long time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ... it's especially silly having to carry around
      > a copy of my .emacs and .Xresources files that
      > I can't work without

      Store it online. I have mine on my yahoo acct, I can pull it up, cut/paste it into a texted, save it, done. Text files are the power.

      P

      np- Dolls "personality crisis"

    2. Re:I've been doing this for a long time. by MrBlack · · Score: 2

      What were windows users doing in your red hat class? Were they lost? Seriously though..I'm a windows user and I often have multiple vt220 terminal emulators open to various *nix boxes (I love that retro green-screen look! - I even have a windows theme to make all my windows apps look like that too!) It's not rocket science. I'm sure your experience in your red hat class had more to do with the individuals than any operating system idioms they may have picked up. (hey - admitting that you went to a red hat class doesn't make you sound very 1337 btw either! - unless you were the instructor).

    3. Re:I've been doing this for a long time. by dwlemon · · Score: 1

      the class was just part of general computer stuff for a computer programming program. I use debian at home and have done for a few years.

      i guess I should say "people who only know the windows paradigm" instead of just "windows users"

  13. GUI grep, find, awk, sh by ENOENT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, somebody has created a GUI for some of the
    really useful Unix utilities, at least in effect.
    The program to search all of your files quickly?
    grep or "find ... -exec grep ...". No wonder it's
    fast. Replacing abbreviations? awk. Every feature
    describe is, as the article mentions, exactly
    what Unix users expect from their computing
    environment.

    I wince every time I try to use a system that
    lacks these features.

    --
    That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
  14. Why text? by geophile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft's Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and much of Access, are all built around the idea that bits are most useful when converted to atoms.
    ...
    Unix uses quick-to-transmit plain text files instead of large, slow, printer-centric documents. Unix ties together multiple small programs to create systems both simple and powerful, instead of building complicated, monolithic applications that must compromise between flexibility and ease-of-use.

    So Microsoft application's are based on the idea that computer users eventually want paper but Unix isn't -- but it's text-based?

    I personally prefer to develop my code in a Unix, non-IDE environment, but I still think that piping text around is a real throwback. Even slightly advanced users will find themselves gluing bits of data together in a single line of text, and then using something along the lines of regular expressions to pull it apart.

    For example, think about stdout and stderr. In Unix, you need two separate streams. Interleaving them is a bad idea because then you can't tell text in one stream from text in the other. You could have a single stream of output if each item in the stream were, let's say, a Text object or an Error object. You could then, in the next application down the pipe, choose to examine either Text object or Error objects, or pay attention to both. Also, the interleaving of Text and Error objects would convey useful information; something that's harder with two independent streams.

    If you like the ideas of command-line, and small functional units that can be composed, and you want to build an environment from scratch, why focus on text as the main paradigm? Other things that programs could input, output and pass around include objects and tuples, which would have more intuitive tools for putting together and taking apart complex data that would otherwise be encoded into a line of text.

    1. Re:Why text? by GypC · · Score: 2

      Because text is a universal interface, easily exchangeable with most computer systems and most humans. When your programs stop working it's nice to be able to get to your data with a text editor.

    2. Re:Why text? by geophile · · Score: 2

      So a little app to convert the object or tuple to an app would help out. Much of the data that gets passed around is text, so mostly you've got Text objects, but if that's all you have, you end up having to encode all sorts of things as text. Yech.

    3. Re:Why text? by GypC · · Score: 2

      True. But once stuff starts to get binary, programmers start getting lazy, featuritis creeps in and pretty soon you've got something like Postscript to deal with ;-).

      But you're right, a compromise with the best of both worlds and a simple standard would be ideal.

    4. Re:Why text? by Jerf · · Score: 2
      'So Microsoft application's are based on the idea that computer users eventually want paper but Unix isn't -- but it's text-based?'

      A classic example of premature optimization. Formatting is the last step before printing. Trying to change that natural flow results in disaster.

    5. Re:Why text? by gimbo · · Score: 2

      > For example, think about stdout and stderr.
      > In Unix, you need two separate streams.

      Yes, they're two seperate things. This is a good thing because you can treat them seperately if you need to, or treat them as one if you want. It's really handy.

      > Interleaving them is a bad idea because then
      > you can't tell text in one stream from text
      > in the other.

      Interleaving them is a good idea when you don't care whether what you're looking at is ordinary output or an error. It's a bad idea only when you need to tell the two apart, and then you can seperate them. But in that case you don't need to interleave them, you just redirect them to seperate places, as in the following examples.

      # Interleaved output:
      /bin/foo

      # stderr to a text file, stdout to less:
      /bin/foo 2> /tmp/foo.err | less

      # stdout and stderr to seperate text files:
      /bin/foo > /tmp/foo.out 2> /tmp/foo.out

      # Same as above, but also pipe stdout to less:
      /bin/foo 2> /tmp/foo.err | tee /tmp/foo.out | less

      Beatifully simple once you understand what's going on, and modules for achieving similar things exist in, eg, perl and python - and many other languages no doubt.

      > You could have a single stream of output if
      > each item in the stream were, let's say, a
      > Text object or an Error object. You could
      > then, in the next application down the pipe,
      > choose to examine either Text object or
      > Error objects, or pay attention to both.

      How is this better than having two seperate streams, each of which consists only of ASCII characters, which are easily examinable, easily understood, easily printed, etc? Your Text and Error "objects" (whatever you mean by that) are just adding an unnecessary layer of abstraction, exactly the kind of complication that makes computers hard to program and hard to use. When you want to read text what could be simpler than, er, plain text? It's an absolute godsend!

      > Also, the interleaving of Text and Error
      > objects would convey useful information;
      > something that's harder with two independent
      > streams.

      So, contrary to what you said earlier, interleaving ordinary messages and error messages is sometimes desirable? Good, I'm glad you see that. But tell my why that's harder with two independent streams??? You get them interleaved by default!!!

      Am I totally misunderstanding you? It just seems that you're overcomplicating things in a big way...

    6. Re:Why text? by mrogers · · Score: 2
      You can easily make each item in the output stream into a "text object" as follows:

      $ some-command 2> some-fifo | sed -e "s/^/TextObject:/" > some-fifo

      Now you can read the combined error and output streams from some-fifo and separate the "Text objects" from the "Error objects" based on whether or not each line starts with "TextObject:".

      If you feel primitive using plain-text tools you can always call the FIFO an ObjectStream. ;-)

    7. Re:Why text? by awol · · Score: 1

      I personally prefer to develop my code in a Unix, non-IDE environment, but I still think that piping text around is a real throwback.

      A real interesting post and if we take an extra step back, think about the "meta" information contained in programming in the *nix shell/text/pipe/file (stpf) world. [Disclaimer] I am a big fan of the whole stpf thang. There is a paradigm of "non discovery" about the objects we are gluing together with pipes. The only meta information is that stderr is for errors and stdout is for normal stuff, similarly there is only stdin, not stderrin. (As an aside, imagine how convenient it would be to have a stderrin, you could pipe together all sorts of apps more robustly). The structure of the data travelling along these meta described channels is undiscoverable. We, as users, have to intervene and provide, as you say, to glue and then split the data on the basis of what we know about the meta information about the data itself.

      I think that the CORBA approach to objects (and even COM although it has to be a standard that is universal so SOAP ove DCOM anyway thats detail) is the way with the every increasing processes of method and data discovery, it will eventually be the case that we will have a new metaphor for the paradigm of gluing these object based systems together. Rather than "piping" the output of one program into the input stream of another, you will ask the "system" for a provider of the "X" service and that the service should provided to "app Y" these two services will then negotiate how the data will be communicated - network, files, even piping text streams. They key point is that the meta information will include meta information about data and functionality meaning the user need not know so much about what the content of the output of "app Y" is not what service "X" expects (and so on).

      I do not expect this soon. I think it is the way things must go _if they are to improve_

      --
      "The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging."
  15. I know this much by WickedClean · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From my experience with trying to make 30 and 40+ year old adults change from one computer program or OS to another, they will always resist and bitch and complain about "how it used to be".

    --
    ...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
    1. Re:I know this much by AstroJetson · · Score: 1

      That's right!! Why in *my* day, we didn't have all these fancy windows and icons. All we had were zeros and ones. And sometimes we didn't even have the ones! I once wrote an entire database using only zeros.

      And we *liked* it!

      (apologies to Scott Adams and Dana Carvey)

      --
      Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
    2. Re:I know this much by ericski · · Score: 1

      Yep. I remember the good old days when a Vic20 cost $1000 and we didn't need no stinkin' desktop. Tape drives were the only way to go for storage. You had time to eat dinner before the game finished loading. Megahertz? Just need one, thanks. Then the whole C64 came around and messed with the whole look and feel. Extra columns and colors! Who needed that!

      Just one of those "old" 30 year olds bitchin and complainin about the way it used to be....

      If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is, fix it but don't take the blame for it.

    3. Re:I know this much by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1
      I had to bend the 1's to be zeroes. Got calluses and everything.

      Besides a bad joke, I thnk in the Dilbert he said he had to bend the 1s also.

    4. Re:I know this much by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I think he said "You had zeroes? We had to use the letter 'O'."

      --

      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

    5. Re:I know this much by WickedClean · · Score: 1

      A lot of upgrading has to do with security and support. Plus the way Microsoft ditches the previous versions of their software, some users are more or less forced to upgrade. We all know what happens when you try to run a bunch of Win3.1 and DOS applications in Win9x, don't we?

      --
      ...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
    6. Re:I know this much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did paper tape on an ENIAC II and a DG1200 using teletypes, punched cards on IBM 1130s and 360/20s using proportional spacing selectric terminals, weird mag tapes and removable disks on DEC character-based CRTs, sorry I skipped DOS - it was a looser -, used WfW, OS/2, Linux, and all of the 9x, 2000 versions of Windows. Today, I can point to more 20+ year olds that aren't flexible enough to leave their 'perfect' Windoze, than I have seen inflexiblity during all of the time I just described. The real danger of the monoply is in the killing of human inquisitiveness. Number 1 only benefits the owners of Number 1, whether it's burgers or operating systems/environments.

    7. Re:I know this much by WickedClean · · Score: 1

      I really miss the old command line days, back when the only time you got to use a GUI was in playing a game. Back before every old lady on your street had a $2,000 Dell system with DVD and 12x cd-rw just so she could check email and play bridge online.

      --
      ...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
  16. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All these people have something in common: they don't think like a computer. It doesn't occur to them that searching for data is easier if everything is in plain text, or that organizing your files into directories makes them easier to archive and find later, or that removing all the pretty colors and fonts and complicated layouts would make it easier for others to read what they've written. They're just here to have fun.

    The reverse is also true, y'know. Most UIs need to be redesigned (hence Luna and Aqua) because they weren't made to work with someone who thinks like a person. Specifically a business person.

    Y'know, someone where the trash is emptied regularly, where chatting is a way of life, and where things are filed long-term, but they're also kept short-term on the desk--not because they're filed there, but because they stay there because you *haven't* filed them.

    The ideal would actually be the best of both worlds. Filters that can convert an e-mail attachment at a single command. A switch to filter out your "buddy's" preferences. And a way to have files you open and don't "file" head to the desktop, where they're periodically "saved" as a backup.

    Too bad we'll never get that ideal.

  17. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unfortunatly, to many users in my office. Text files are not a term that is understood. To them, anything with text in it is a Word Doc. Quick memo with 3 sentences, Word Doc. Non-formated copy for website, Word Doc.

    Why? Because MSWord has a nice pretty interface, there is an alias on their desktop, and most users shun away from something that they don't already know how to use. Yes they could use a plain text editor or even just save the file they are working on as a plain text document, but users are scared of opening a program they don't know how to use or using a program outside their normal routine. I see it as memorizing steps to compete a task, if one step is a little off, they cry bloody murder and run to the nearest IT worker.

  18. Frogs boiling in water... by cmstremi · · Score: 1
    because of the active-user paradox, most people have no idea how much this damages their productivity. They're like frogs in boiling water.
    'Like frogs boiling in water'? What the hell does that even *mean*?

    I'm not sure of the point of this article. Is it supposed to be a shocking revelation that 'the Internet changed personal computing'? That non-technical people don't adapt to technology well?

    No kidding, genius! Bah.
    1. Re:Frogs boiling in water... by UltraBot2K1 · · Score: 1

      If you put a frog in boiling water, he'll jump right out, however if you put a frog in cold water, and heat it to boiling, the frog will unwittingly boil himself alive. How this involves the Internet, you've got me.

      --

      Slashdot: Open Source, Closed Minds.

    2. Re:Frogs boiling in water... by stup · · Score: 1

      Clearly, people resist sudden change, so you have to change things slowly and gently, starting with an environment they like. If you do it slowly enough, they don't even realise they're learning.

      StuP

    3. Re:Frogs boiling in water... by Arandir · · Score: 2

      How to boil a live frog without him jumping out of the pot:

      1) Put frog into pot with cold water. Make him comfortable.

      2) Very, very, very slowly, turn up the heat.

      This lesson, and accompaning experiment, is taught in PolySci 101 at all reputable Ivy League schools. Buddng politicians quickly learn that if you dump frog/public into boiling water, they will immediately jump out and loudly complain. But if you use the above method, the frog/public will not realize you are killing him, and will continue to vote for you.

      Okay, what did this have to do with a clean desktop? Well, their productivity is slowly being damaged and they don't know it, so they keep at it until they're poached and unable to think any other way.

      You have to catch the computer uers when they're young, and teach them that pots of cold water are deadly.

      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
    4. Re:Frogs boiling in water... by jheinen · · Score: 1

      This is crap. I just got a frog and threw him into a big pot of boiling water, and he just stayed there. Didn't jump out or nothing. After a minute or so he was floating at the top. Go ahead, try it yourself. You'll see.

      -Jeff

      :)

      --
      -Vercingetorix
      "Necessitas non habet legem." -St. Augustine
    5. Re:Frogs boiling in water... by ethereal · · Score: 1

      It involves the Internet because it's an urban legend that's spread via the 'net?

      --

      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

  19. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by pthisis · · Score: 5, Funny

    My wife uses our Mac at home. She clutters her desktop with icons, rarely empties the trash can unless I tell her it's essential

    Wow. My wife gets mad at me because I clutter my desktop with papers and rarely empty the trash unless she yells at me to do it.

    Sumner

    --
    rage, rage against the dying of the light
  20. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Chundra · · Score: 5, Funny
    I used to be like you. But I just gave up. Now I use a perl script to convert my plain text messages to prismatic, bold, italic, underlined, visually obscene messages littered with random mispelings and profuse punctuation!!!?!!!??

    And you know what? I have lots of friends now, and I regularly sleep with two beautiful women at once. I've got another perl script that filters their cruft into my own vanilla format. You might say I've developed my own private babelfish. Things are good for me. They could be good for you too.

    Embrace and extend, grasshopper.

  21. Soft synths and trackers by yerricde · · Score: 2

    And a mouse and keyboard in a GUI is (IMO) a horrible tool to produce music.

    What's a better way to input parameters for soft synthesizers and tweak them in real time? Or to edit samples non-linearly? And how is keyboard input of note values (such as that used in trackers) so terrible, especially for students who cannot afford high-end musical equipment?

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Soft synths and trackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A $100 guitar isn't a high-end instrument. But it easily sounds better than any computerized tracker/midi guitar sound.

  22. How sweet it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BeOS is by far the most elegant gui available, smooth, elegant, quick, and intuitive. All negative child posts to this will immediately be nullified.

  23. simplicity on my desktop by ywwg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    my desktop.

    Along the left side of my screen are launchers for my most often-used programs. Thanks to badgering of programmers on my part they respond to edge-clicks, making them easy targets.

    The top of my screen has hacked versions of the deskguide and tasklist which also respond to edge-clicks. Thus, I can switch desktops and windows quite quickly with the mouse

    I have a transparent terminal for when I need it. The large panel on the bottom is auto-hide. The applets there are too big to fit on a 24 pixel panel. Brak is there for dancing to music.

    I don't believe the Keyboard is God, I think my setup is quite efficient, pleasant to look at, and very functional.

    1. Re:simplicity on my desktop by zephc · · Score: 2

      my desktop, a mix of messiness and elegance =]

      --
      "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
    2. Re:simplicity on my desktop by djweis · · Score: 2

      Where did you get the dancing Brak?

    3. Re:simplicity on my desktop by zephc · · Score: 2

      somewhat, offtopic, but the vid i screen-grabbed my desktop pic from is here, its VERY cute =]

      --
      "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
    4. Re:simplicity on my desktop by ywwg · · Score: 1

      figz.com, the gdancer plugin

    5. Re:simplicity on my desktop by ywwg · · Score: 1

      the video won't play on my linux machine: "Warning: picture block before sequence header block". I think it's one of those "broken but the player can work around it" files. Unfortunately smpeg prefers files that are near-flawless.

    6. Re:simplicity on my desktop by p_trinli · · Score: 1

      Errr... where's the elegance? Looks pretty standard.

  24. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by cmstremi · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, then, there are two types of people in this world. Those who occasionally empty their desktop trash and those who don't.

  25. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by garcia · · Score: 2

    KISS doesn't cross their mind b/c it isn't something that they care to know about or understand.

    "think like a computer". No. People think like people. That's why they do what they do...

    My mother used to use Lotus123 + WYSIWYG extensions to type documents b/c that's what she was accustomed to.

    I am glad that I use gAIM for my IMing b/c I can at least disable incoming colors from idiots that seem to think that red letters on a blue background are "cool".

    The entire article really has no bearing on today's computer users. People are NOT interested in simplicity. Do people buy cars that just have the bare esentials? NO! They *need* a/c, CD players, power windows, etc. They feel that they need all this fancy shit as well.

    I have always used eye-easy color-schemes and organized desktops (no fucking icons all over the place) but then again I am a computer-dork.

    It is only going to get worse b/c people aren't interested in KISS.

    Just my worthless .02

  26. WordPerfect 5.1 by Fastball · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always thought that WordPerfect 5.1 was the pinnacle of word processors. I had the priviledge (or curse depending on your point of view) of running for a law firm back when WP5.1 was the standard bearer, and when we began moving to the GUI-centric Word, the administrative staff rose up in revolt. They were so crafty with those keystrokes, it was simply amazing. I gravitated towards Word myself, because it was sexier and I was young and immature ;) but I can guarantee you I was no more productive or quicker with Word than any of those secretaries were with crusty old WordPerfect 5.1.

    1. Re:WordPerfect 5.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so correct. WP 5.1 still stands in a class by itself. Once you learned the keystrokes, the hands never had to leave the keyboard...

    2. Re:WordPerfect 5.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Shift-F7 and all that was poorly thought out crap that's been obsolete since IBM moved the F keys.

      2) WP was designed to have an 'expert interface' as evidenced by it's 'clean screen' with no UI hints. This played to the professional typists, but the very steep learning curve made it difficult for the casual user.

      3) WordPerfect documents generally had no formatting other than margins and tabs. Tables were possible, but so cumbersome that they were rarely ever used. Law firms generate a lot of documents, but have very basic formatting that's considered unacceptably crude in the rest of the business world.

      4) Professional typists is pretty much a dead occupation. Your administrative staff rose in revolt because they saw the writing on the wall -- a word processor that any pointyhead can use removes their utility.

    3. Re:WordPerfect 5.1 by noc · · Score: 1
      Recently I read someone lamenting that math professors were setting their own equations with TeX, rather than leaving the typesetting to someone else, like they used to; this denied their secretaries the opportunity to evolve into highly skilled typesetters.

      I think WP 5.1, and the secretaries and paralegals who used it, was just about the end of that evolutionary path that we should have taken. From there, they should have evolved into highly skilled typesetters, formatters, etc., using software designed for the user more sophisticated than 90% of programmers. Instead, their bosses got wow'ed by sexy easy-to-use shit that they could use, but that didn't allow the secretary to become a more skilled laborer. In fact, I'm pretty sure it decreased productivity, where we had had an opportunity to both increase productivity and create the industrial successors to the printing, setting, etc., industry of old.

    4. Re:WordPerfect 5.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LyX. The ultimate in efficiency.

  27. Mirrors, anyone? by Tephyrnex · · Score: 1

    Has anyone been successful in reaching the referenced document. If so could you, please, make it available as WinterSpeak's server has apparently been /.ed.

    Thanks.

  28. A good pro-UNIX article. by Rimbo · · Score: 2

    This is a good article, in that it explains the UNIX small tools approach and dependence on text streams well, and in a way that normal people can understand. But aside from the brief blurb about GoodEasy and a quick explanation of a basic UI design principle, it's mostly just that -- UNIX advocacy.

    Not that that's a bad thing, mind you.

  29. The next big OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If they made this into a self-sufficent OS, it could be the next big thing! But we need a different name from GoodEasy so we can distinguish them... how 'bout "GoodPlenty"! That's a great name! I even know what the logo should look like ;). Now if only we don't get into a copyright dispute.

    Note: all good opensource software has a copyright problem at least once ;)

    1. Re:The next big OS by zephc · · Score: 2

      how about goodfun ;) (ah, bad art and a bad game heh)

      --
      "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
  30. Dear Moderator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I said the same thing as the person below me
    about LaTex. You obviously know him.

    Put this in your ass and smoke it.

  31. Attention Slashdotters: @# +1 ; Serious #@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does Jon "Crackhead" Katz think about
    this?

    Hi, Jon. Do you know where your LSD is
    today?

  32. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell is a post responding to another comment offtopic? What's so offtopic about it? Moderators should have to state their reasons why they think something should be moderated. If it's not funny than mod it "overrated", or just ignore it and save your points for the real losers.

    On the other hand, THIS post is offtopic. Got that? A rant about stupid mods = offtopic. A joke referring to someone's on-topic comment = not offtopic.

  33. Re:I will fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You missed the keyword "without".

  34. Productive? Maybe. Impressive? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all sounds great, until you want to email a copy of your new efficient resume to a prospective employer.

  35. Mirror of the WinterSpeak document by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since winterspeak has been /.ed and is very slow right now, I've pasted the article (which is all text) here...

    The Good Easy
    http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt how to set up a mac
    by Mark Hurst version: 3/22/00 cf
    version: 10/25/99 mh DESKTOP - your first job is to clear off the desktop. you want the desktop
    to show (for now) ONLY the hard drive, and the Trash -- nothing
    else. - trash any aliases on the desktop. - anything still on the desktop other than aliases, hard drive, or
    Trash, put into the Utilities folder in the hard drive. now you
    should have a clear desktop. HARD DRIVE - open the hard drive. your goal here is to have only four items,
    all folders: System Folder, Applications, Utilities, and Creative
    Good. - open any folders OTHER than those listed above. just look one
    level deep. trash any aliases you find. - anything in the hard drive other than the four folders [System
    Folder, Applications, Utilities, and Creative Good], put into the
    Utilities folder. - back in the hard drive, create a new Creative Good folder with
    cmd-N. - click once on the Creative Good folder to select it. then hold
    down option-command and drag the folder onto the desktop. you now
    have an alias on the desktop called "Creative Good". rename this
    to "CG". (another way of doing this step: the Creative Good folder
    selected, type cmd-M and then drag the alias to the desktop and
    rename it "CG".) - (once the mac is on the ethernet) use the chooser (Apple Menu ->
    Chooser) to connect to Blue, the server. open Blue and create an
    alias to "Creative Good - server", and place the alias on the
    desktop of the Mac you're setting up. Rename the alias to "Server
    CG". APPLICATIONS FOLDER - open the Applications folder. anything you probably will never
    use (like Apple Video Player, or some bogus Apple Guide file), put
    into the Utilities folder. you should now have an Applications
    folder comprised of all the apps that you'll use commonly (or at
    least once every couple of months). - go through any folders like "Internet" and pull out the real app
    folders to live in the Applications folder. for example, if the
    "Internet" folder contains the Netscape Navigator folder, move the
    NN folder up one level into the Applications folder. (general rule
    of thumb -- when appropriate, eliminate folders within folders...
    applies in cases like this bullet.) CREATIVE GOOD FOLDER - with cmd-N, create an folders called admin, backups,
    special(used to be info), team, howto (used to be tools) and
    personal, all spelled all lower-case. then, if appropriate at this
    point, create folders for the client engagements you work on,
    starting the name with a capital letter (Megasoft) or all caps if
    it's an acronym (AT&T). this difference in spelling will help you
    later on to distinguish easily (during a quick visual scan)
    between client folders and "issue" folders. - may want to create of those, then select View -> as List, and
    then copy that folder so that the View as List preference gets
    copied into the new folders. rule of thumb, EVERY folder should be
    set to View as List. SYSTEM FOLDER - create a folder called "Apple Menu Items (Disabled)", without
    the quotes. - open the "Apple Menu Items" folder. View as List. - anything you'll rarely or never use, move to the Disabled folder
    you just created. this includes Scrapbook, Simple Sound, Remote
    Access Status, Note Pad, Key Caps, Jigsaw Puzzle, Graphing
    Calculator, Favorites, Automated Tasks, Internet Access, the video
    and audio players, and the System Profiler. any aliases in that
    list, trash them. - open the hard drive folder. using cmd-M or option-cmd-drag,
    create an alias to the Applications folder in the Apple Menu Items
    folder. - note on aliases: in the above step, name the alias
    "Applications", not "Applications alias". on a Mac, you can always
    tell an alias by the italics in its name, so there's no reason to
    clutter things up with the "alias" in its name. if it's an alias
    you'll be using for awhile (i.e. in your Apple menu), never
    include the word "alias" in the alias's name. - using the same method, create an alias to the Control Panels
    folder and put the alias (*NOT* the Control Panels folder itself)
    in the Apple Menu Items folder. rule of thumb, aliases are easy to
    spot because their file names are in italics; actual files (non-
    aliases) are displayed in regular plain type (non-italics). Do
    this for the location manager as well. - open the Applications folder in the hard drive folder. for the
    following apps -- BBEdit, AppleWorks, Emailer, Excel, Word,
    Netscape, and Up-to-date -- create an alias in the Apple Menu
    Items folder to the application. for example, open the "Netscape
    Navigator folder" and find the application called "Netscape
    Navigator". with cmd-M or option-cmd-drag, create an alias of
    "Netscape Navigator" in the Apple Menu Items folder. - another note on aliases: in the Apple Menu, make sure all
    aliases to apps are just the one-word name. for example, it
    shouldn't be "Netscape Navigator 4.05 alias" or even "Microsoft
    Word" -- it should be "Netscape" and "Word". keep the Apple Menu
    as simple as possible -- it's one of the most important elements
    of your Mac experience. - for OS 9 move sherlock II into the Apple Menu Items (Disabled)
    folder and copy Sherlock from the server into the Apple Menu Items
    folder APPS TO INSTALL - BBEdit Lite 4
    - Claris Emailer Lite 1.1v3
    - Now Up-to-date 3.6.2 (don't install Contact, QuickDay, or any
    other Now tchotchke)
    - note: do NOT install quickday or quickcontact -- use the
    custom installer to turn off those options and then go into
    control panel and move quickday into the control panel (disabled)
    folder.
    - Netscape Navigator 4
    - typeit4me
    - QuicKeys 4.0
    - Default Folder
    - AppleWorks 5
    - Microsoft Office '98 (make sure to run ppt to register copy)
    - FileMaker
    - Fetch
    - digital camera software
    - spell check
    - Leave emailer installer in utilities folder INTERNET CONFIG - change the default Web browser to Netscape. - change any file formats that read SimpleText into BBEdit's
    format. (choose an example BBEdit file to get the right
    settings...go to file mappings, sort by app, for simpletext .text,
    .txt, .ascii change to BBedit by using the choose example button
    and getting a BBedit file) - change the default mailer to Claris Emailer. (not Outlook!) - In the helpers editor change simple text to BBEdit, change
    everything Explorer to Netscape, and change mailto to Claris.
    Make sure to save preferences. - change the Web home page to be the local file of 5 or so links
    to key pages -- or nothing. -make sure that the ms word icons are set to W8BN, W6BN, WDBN PREFERENCES - in BBEdit, make sure it's set to softwrap, window width, start
    up with nothing, searches wrap around, don't print headers or date
    stamp, don't show any toolbars and make veggie the default font. - in Claris Emailer, set preferences not to prompt for reply or
    deletions. (in Defaults tab, no checkboxes should be checked
    except the bottom-right one; the top radio button in each pair
    should be selected.) set Deleted Mail at 10-day window, Sent Mail
    at 14-day window. when receiving mail, don't play sound and don't
    flash icon in a menu bar - in Claris Emailer under schedules, set the default connection to
    once every 5 minutes. under easy set up set up the user, pass,
    outgoing mailserver (mindspring.com or redconnect.net), and sig.
    go to services -> internet and change the default encoding to
    uuencode (NOT binhex). Have the downloads go to the desktop
    (choosing the trash icon). Also, quoted text should be blue (use
    crayon color picker). Put starter address file in address book. - in emailer make sure that toggle schedule quickey works and move
    column widths. make veggie default font. - in Netscape, id is user (not a persons name) make sure the home
    page is set to the local file open start.html which should be in
    the info folder. Also, choose text only, no tool tips, no sound.
    Set fonts to times 14 courier 12. Get rid of all preset bookmarks
    under preferences and open bookmarks.html. also preload the
    resizing bookmarks. - in Up-to-Date, appointments get reminders never; todos get no
    time attached (i.e. it shouldn't say "8:00 a.m." when a todo is
    created); choose scrolling view; Under define calendar formats
    make the current day bold and blue, make the weekends plain and
    gold. -in Appleworks, in preferences start up with nothing, make default
    font times, under window choose hide toolbar - in typeit4me, preferences -> expansion triggers -> click All so
    that all the triggers are checked, then OK to make the preference
    stick. also change # of entries CONTROL PANELS - in TCP control panel, put in DNS info. - in speech control panel, go into Talking Alerts and turn off
    both checkboxes (so it doesn't talk any alerts). - in keyboard control panel make the repeat rate as fast as
    possible and the delay as short as possible. Under options, assign
    f keys (7 netscape, 8 emailer, 9 bbedit, 10 now up to date) - in the apple control panel under appearance highlight color -->
    others --> crayon choose fern; in the options tab uncheck smart
    scrolling, check double click title bar; in the fonts tab uncheck
    smooth - in control panel --> control strip add hot key (cmd -ctl-s) QUICKEYS - import Quickeys sets from the installers folder on the server
    - need to come up with standard set of quickeys to import into all
    new macs as they come in; for now, here are the main ones
    - cntrl-down goes to Finder; cntrl-up is Hide Others
    - function keys map to switch to apps (only if they're running) as
    follows:
    - F6: AppleWorks (F6 may change to cmd-F6 on new Powerbooks;
    have to check)
    - F7: Netscape
    - F8: Claris Emailer
    - F9: BBEdit
    - F10: Now Up-to-date
    - F12 maps to "Show Rear Window"
    - cntrl-C maps to "Creative Good" folder
    - cmd-shift-F maps to Sherlock
    - in Preferences, QuicKeys should be hidden except with cmd-option-
    cntrl-click. (under options menu-configure quickeys. quickeys
    menu should be hidden. pop-up menu everything should checked but
    shift)
    - in Emailer: cmd-shift-enter means Send Now; cntrl-S means toggle
    Signature; cntrl-i gets inbox item; cntrl-o gets outbox.
    - in Netscape: cmd-h means go home. MISC - get my current typeit4me data file, place it in the Creative
    Good --> info folder. open typeit4me (menu to do so is in upper-
    left of monitor) and choose that file to use. - in Default Folder, make cmd-1 map to Creative Good folder, cmd-2
    to Creative Good -> Good Reports. others are up to user. - turn the mute button on (F6 on new macs) - the info folder (in the CG folder) should contain the current
    address file, calendar and typeit4me data file, the netscape
    startup page. - Put alias of main aps in the start up folder - set up location manager and remote access - make sure the battery thing on the control strip is set to
    "better performance" - trash should be viewed as a list - pre-load the tools folder with the graphics and report templates
    from the templates folder on the server - make more liberal settings in the energy saver ctrl panel (at
    least 10 minutes for each one) * * * * * * *

    Crib Sheet for Quickeys and other Key Strokes (and general
    goodeasy tips) ch 2/1/01
    cf 3/22/00 Mac key combos cmd-a - select all
    cmd-c - copy
    cmd-x - cut
    cmd-v - paste
    cmd-o - open
    cmd-opt-o - open a window and close the one behind it
    cmd-w - close
    cmd-ctrl-w - close all
    cmd-s - save
    cmd-d - don't save
    cmd-n - new
    cmd-q - quit
    cmd-. - cancel
    cmd-z - undo Universal Quickeys cmd-shift-s - save as
    control-down - go to finder
    control-up - hide applications other than the current one (though
    keep them
    running)
    Tab - go to the next field (works in all apps)
    Shift-Tab - go to the previous field
    cmd-delete - sends item to trash (in general and from open/save
    dialog box)
    cmd-tab - selects open windows in succession
    shift right arrow selects text
    cmd-f in the finder launches sherlock and brings up the Find File
    tab
    within sherlock:
    cmd-g brings up Find By Content. (open/save) dialog box:
    -cmd-up - moves you up through the hierarchy
    -cmd-down - moves you down through the hierarchy
    - cmd-f opens that file in the finder, so you can use the various
    sorting techniques there. (the finder is sort of like the desktop
    in windows... the area where you can fly through the file system.)
    -cmd-g finds next
    - cmd-r allows you to rename the file
    - cmd-1 takes you to the CG folder (if you'd like to map more
    folders like this, choose the third folder icon from the left and
    add the folder to favorites) Shortcuts to Applications (f6 etc. are most effective on a full-
    size keyboard, the kind you plug into the laptop. to make it
    better for laptops, we've ALSO
    installed these alternatives. cmd-6 or f6 - appleworks
    cmd-7 or f7 - netsacpe
    cmd-8 or f8 - emailer
    cmd-9 or f9 - bbedit
    cmd-0 or f10 - now up to date f12 toggles windows in an application
    cmd-shift-a brings up addresses In Emailer
    - return - opens an email so you can read it. also closes it.
    - cmd-right - closes the current email and opens the next one in
    the list.
    - cmd-left - moves you up through them
    - cmd-opt-right - moves you down through your emails and delete
    the last viewed open email
    - cmd-opt-left - moves you up through your emails and delete the
    last viewer open emial
    - cmd-r - reply to sender
    - ctl-r - reply to all
    - cmd-j - forward
    - cmd-opt-k -- send and receive messages
    - cmd-return -- queue the current message to be sent (i.e. along
    with all the others at the next scheduled connection, every 5
    minutes or whatever)
    - cmd-shift-return -- send the current message right now
    - ctl-s - toggle signature
    - ctl-d - disable schedule
    - cmd-h - add recipient
    - ctl-h add attachment and uncheck file compression
    - option-up - top of email
    - option-dn - bottom of email
    - cmd-click on URL: opens netscape to that page
    - cmd-click on e-mail address: creates a new e-mail message To:
    that address
    (these two only work in claris e-mailer... not in bbedit,
    unfortunately!)
    - cmd-opt-h changes your outgoing mail config for home
    - cmd-opt-o changes your outgoing mail config for office
    - cmd-' pastes text into emailer as if it is a return email (blue
    with >s)
    - cmd-1 takes you to the inbox
    - cmd-2 takes you to the outbox
    - cmd-3 takes you to the filing cabinet
    - cmd-4 takes you to the address book
    - home and end in claris emailer take you to the start or end of a
    msg. (fn + left or right arrow)
    *make sure you uncheck the compression box when attaching files In Now-Up-To-Date
    - cmd-n - new apt.
    - cmd-t - new to do
    - cmd-b - banner
    - cmd-e - special
    remember to use tab to go to next field (and shift-tab to go to
    previous field). In Netscape
    - cmd-h - brings you back to your home page
    - cmd-arrows take you forward and backward
    - cmd-d - makes a bookmark In Appleworks
    cmd-t - scale by % (uses the % last defined in that menu option.
    choose the menu option manually, Arrange -> Scale By Percent, to
    change that %)
    cmd-pgdn - move object to back (note that on a laptop, that will
    be fn-cmd-pgdn)
    cmd-pdup - move object to front (only in Draw mode) In BBEdit cmd-shift-\ - remove all line breaks
    ctl-r - replace all
    cmd-i - *italicizes*
    cmd-arrow - takes you to the end of the line of text
    opt-arrow - takes you to the next word
    opt-up arrow - takes you to the top of the page
    option-down arrow - takes you to the bottom of the page In General - mute the volume - on the laptop, f6 (or, to be exact, the button
    that would be f6 with the fn button). please do mute your mac in
    the office, unless you particularly need to hear something. - when not in use for a few hours, have mac asleep -- point is, as
    opposed to having it shut down (just shut the cover to put it
    asleep). - when you first get an app, do the following - play with all the
    menu options - go through the preferences - memorize the major
    keystrokes - cmd-opt-esc force quits and application
    - cmd-ctl-power button force restarts the computer Typeit4me
    e.g. dt, cg add more by "editing entries" in the typeit4me menu
    ** to disable triggers use shift-space Remote Access:
    Change location manager (in apple menu)
    dial in with remote access (in apple menu)
    change outgoing mail server (cmd-opt-h in emailer) go over: remote access/tcp/ip/appletalk
    projector/monitor
    docspace
    text editor (find)
    sleep
    add mem to ppt and cwk
    backups
    attachments
    server
    file system
    docspace
    projector/monitor
    how to zip and stuff
    avoidance of cross platform issues
    battery/disk removal
    battery/sleep controls
    remote access

  36. WARNING: kitty pr0n link !! by cygnusx · · Score: 1

    ;-)

  37. Re:WordPerfect 5.1 - I agree with you 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I have seen people typing on WP51 with such a speed and getting letters done so fast they can almost outrun vi !

    Then came word. Our secy talked to our boss and said that she will leave before using word. I had to put together a special computer just for her.

    Reason she did this is because she had small kids and she wanted to finish her work in time to see them. But not every one is like her. ( and she was good too - first time I saw someone type at 80- 100 WPM - a sight to see ... )

  38. and so it makes sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The Good Easy
    http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt

    how to set up a mac
    by Mark Hurst

    version: 3/22/00 cf
    version: 10/25/99 mh

    DESKTOP

    - your first job is to clear off the desktop. you want the desktop
    to show (for now) ONLY the hard drive, and the Trash -- nothing
    else.

    - trash any aliases on the desktop.

    - anything still on the desktop other than aliases, hard drive, or
    Trash, put into the Utilities folder in the hard drive. now you
    should have a clear desktop.

    HARD DRIVE

    - open the hard drive. your goal here is to have only four items,
    all folders: System Folder, Applications, Utilities, and Creative
    Good.

    - open any folders OTHER than those listed above. just look one
    level deep. trash any aliases you find.

    - anything in the hard drive other than the four folders [System
    Folder, Applications, Utilities, and Creative Good], put into the
    Utilities folder.

    - back in the hard drive, create a new Creative Good folder with
    cmd-N.

    - click once on the Creative Good folder to select it. then hold
    down option-command and drag the folder onto the desktop. you now
    have an alias on the desktop called "Creative Good". rename this
    to "CG". (another way of doing this step: the Creative Good folder
    selected, type cmd-M and then drag the alias to the desktop and
    rename it "CG".)

    - (once the mac is on the ethernet) use the chooser (Apple Menu ->
    Chooser) to connect to Blue, the server. open Blue and create an
    alias to "Creative Good - server", and place the alias on the
    desktop of the Mac you're setting up. Rename the alias to "Server
    CG".

    APPLICATIONS FOLDER

    - open the Applications folder. anything you probably will never
    use (like Apple Video Player, or some bogus Apple Guide file), put
    into the Utilities folder. you should now have an Applications
    folder comprised of all the apps that you'll use commonly (or at
    least once every couple of months).

    - go through any folders like "Internet" and pull out the real app
    folders to live in the Applications folder. for example, if the
    "Internet" folder contains the Netscape Navigator folder, move the
    NN folder up one level into the Applications folder. (general rule
    of thumb -- when appropriate, eliminate folders within folders...
    applies in cases like this bullet.)

    CREATIVE GOOD FOLDER

    - with cmd-N, create an folders called admin, backups,
    special(used to be info), team, howto (used to be tools) and
    personal, all spelled all lower-case. then, if appropriate at this
    point, create folders for the client engagements you work on,
    starting the name with a capital letter (Megasoft) or all caps if
    it's an acronym (AT&T). this difference in spelling will help you
    later on to distinguish easily (during a quick visual scan)
    between client folders and "issue" folders.

    - may want to create of those, then select View -> as List, and
    then copy that folder so that the View as List preference gets
    copied into the new folders. rule of thumb, EVERY folder should be
    set to View as List.

    SYSTEM FOLDER

    - create a folder called "Apple Menu Items (Disabled)", without
    the quotes.

    - open the "Apple Menu Items" folder. View as List.

    - anything you'll rarely or never use, move to the Disabled folder
    you just created. this includes Scrapbook, Simple Sound, Remote
    Access Status, Note Pad, Key Caps, Jigsaw Puzzle, Graphing
    Calculator, Favorites, Automated Tasks, Internet Access, the video
    and audio players, and the System Profiler. any aliases in that
    list, trash them.

    - open the hard drive folder. using cmd-M or option-cmd-drag,
    create an alias to the Applications folder in the Apple Menu Items
    folder.

    - note on aliases: in the above step, name the alias
    "Applications", not "Applications alias". on a Mac, you can always
    tell an alias by the italics in its name, so there's no reason to
    clutter things up with the "alias" in its name. if it's an alias
    you'll be using for awhile (i.e. in your Apple menu), never
    include the word "alias" in the alias's name.

    - using the same method, create an alias to the Control Panels
    folder and put the alias (*NOT* the Control Panels folder itself)
    in the Apple Menu Items folder. rule of thumb, aliases are easy to
    spot because their file names are in italics; actual files (non-
    aliases) are displayed in regular plain type (non-italics). Do
    this for the location manager as well.

    - open the Applications folder in the hard drive folder. for the
    following apps -- BBEdit, AppleWorks, Emailer, Excel, Word,
    Netscape, and Up-to-date -- create an alias in the Apple Menu
    Items folder to the application. for example, open the "Netscape
    Navigator folder" and find the application called "Netscape
    Navigator". with cmd-M or option-cmd-drag, create an alias of
    "Netscape Navigator" in the Apple Menu Items folder.

    - another note on aliases: in the Apple Menu, make sure all
    aliases to apps are just the one-word name. for example, it
    shouldn't be "Netscape Navigator 4.05 alias" or even "Microsoft
    Word" -- it should be "Netscape" and "Word". keep the Apple Menu
    as simple as possible -- it's one of the most important elements
    of your Mac experience.

    - for OS 9 move sherlock II into the Apple Menu Items (Disabled)
    folder and copy Sherlock from the server into the Apple Menu Items
    folder

    APPS TO INSTALL

    - BBEdit Lite 4
    - Claris Emailer Lite 1.1v3
    - Now Up-to-date 3.6.2 (don't install Contact, QuickDay, or any
    other Now tchotchke)
    - note: do NOT install quickday or quickcontact -- use the
    custom installer to turn off those options and then go into
    control panel and move quickday into the control panel (disabled)
    folder.
    - Netscape Navigator 4
    - typeit4me
    - QuicKeys 4.0
    - Default Folder
    - AppleWorks 5
    - Microsoft Office '98 (make sure to run ppt to register copy)
    - FileMaker
    - Fetch
    - digital camera software
    - spell check
    - Leave emailer installer in utilities folder

    INTERNET CONFIG

    - change the default Web browser to Netscape.

    - change any file formats that read SimpleText into BBEdit's
    format. (choose an example BBEdit file to get the right
    settings...go to file mappings, sort by app, for simpletext .text,
    .txt, .ascii change to BBedit by using the choose example button
    and getting a BBedit file)

    - change the default mailer to Claris Emailer. (not Outlook!)

    - In the helpers editor change simple text to BBEdit, change
    everything Explorer to Netscape, and change mailto to Claris.
    Make sure to save preferences.

    - change the Web home page to be the local file of 5 or so links
    to key pages -- or nothing.

    -make sure that the ms word icons are set to W8BN, W6BN, WDBN

    PREFERENCES

    - in BBEdit, make sure it's set to softwrap, window width, start
    up with nothing, searches wrap around, don't print headers or date
    stamp, don't show any toolbars and make veggie the default font.

    - in Claris Emailer, set preferences not to prompt for reply or
    deletions. (in Defaults tab, no checkboxes should be checked
    except the bottom-right one; the top radio button in each pair
    should be selected.) set Deleted Mail at 10-day window, Sent Mail
    at 14-day window. when receiving mail, don't play sound and don't
    flash icon in a menu bar

    - in Claris Emailer under schedules, set the default connection to
    once every 5 minutes. under easy set up set up the user, pass,
    outgoing mailserver (mindspring.com or redconnect.net), and sig.
    go to services -> internet and change the default encoding to
    uuencode (NOT binhex). Have the downloads go to the desktop
    (choosing the trash icon). Also, quoted text should be blue (use
    crayon color picker). Put starter address file in address book.

    - in emailer make sure that toggle schedule quickey works and move
    column widths. make veggie default font.

    - in Netscape, id is user (not a persons name) make sure the home
    page is set to the local file open start.html which should be in
    the info folder. Also, choose text only, no tool tips, no sound.
    Set fonts to times 14 courier 12. Get rid of all preset bookmarks
    under preferences and open bookmarks.html. also preload the
    resizing bookmarks.

    - in Up-to-Date, appointments get reminders never; todos get no
    time attached (i.e. it shouldn't say "8:00 a.m." when a todo is
    created); choose scrolling view; Under define calendar formats
    make the current day bold and blue, make the weekends plain and
    gold.

    -in Appleworks, in preferences start up with nothing, make default
    font times, under window choose hide toolbar

    - in typeit4me, preferences -> expansion triggers -> click All so
    that all the triggers are checked, then OK to make the preference
    stick. also change # of entries

    CONTROL PANELS

    - in TCP control panel, put in DNS info.

    - in speech control panel, go into Talking Alerts and turn off
    both checkboxes (so it doesn't talk any alerts).

    - in keyboard control panel make the repeat rate as fast as
    possible and the delay as short as possible. Under options, assign
    f keys (7 netscape, 8 emailer, 9 bbedit, 10 now up to date)

    - in the apple control panel under appearance highlight color -->
    others --> crayon choose fern; in the options tab uncheck smart
    scrolling, check double click title bar; in the fonts tab uncheck
    smooth

    - in control panel --> control strip add hot key (cmd -ctl-s)

    QUICKEYS

    - import Quickeys sets from the installers folder on the server
    - need to come up with standard set of quickeys to import into all
    new macs as they come in; for now, here are the main ones
    - cntrl-down goes to Finder; cntrl-up is Hide Others
    - function keys map to switch to apps (only if they're running) as
    follows:
    - F6: AppleWorks (F6 may change to cmd-F6 on new Powerbooks;
    have to check)
    - F7: Netscape
    - F8: Claris Emailer
    - F9: BBEdit
    - F10: Now Up-to-date
    - F12 maps to "Show Rear Window"
    - cntrl-C maps to "Creative Good" folder
    - cmd-shift-F maps to Sherlock
    - in Preferences, QuicKeys should be hidden except with cmd-option-
    cntrl-click. (under options menu-configure quickeys. quickeys
    menu should be hidden. pop-up menu everything should checked but
    shift)
    - in Emailer: cmd-shift-enter means Send Now; cntrl-S means toggle
    Signature; cntrl-i gets inbox item; cntrl-o gets outbox.
    - in Netscape: cmd-h means go home.

    MISC

    - get my current typeit4me data file, place it in the Creative
    Good --> info folder. open typeit4me (menu to do so is in upper-
    left of monitor) and choose that file to use.

    - in Default Folder, make cmd-1 map to Creative Good folder, cmd-2
    to Creative Good -> Good Reports. others are up to user.

    - turn the mute button on (F6 on new macs)

    - the info folder (in the CG folder) should contain the current
    address file, calendar and typeit4me data file, the netscape
    startup page.

    - Put alias of main aps in the start up folder

    - set up location manager and remote access

    - make sure the battery thing on the control strip is set to
    "better performance"

    - trash should be viewed as a list

    - pre-load the tools folder with the graphics and report templates
    from the templates folder on the server

    - make more liberal settings in the energy saver ctrl panel (at
    least 10 minutes for each one)

    * * * * * * *

    Crib Sheet for Quickeys and other Key Strokes (and general
    goodeasy tips)

    ch 2/1/01
    cf 3/22/00

    Mac key combos

    cmd-a - select all
    cmd-c - copy
    cmd-x - cut
    cmd-v - paste
    cmd-o - open
    cmd-opt-o - open a window and close the one behind it
    cmd-w - close
    cmd-ctrl-w - close all
    cmd-s - save
    cmd-d - don't save
    cmd-n - new
    cmd-q - quit
    cmd-. - cancel
    cmd-z - undo

    Universal Quickeys

    cmd-shift-s - save as
    control-down - go to finder
    control-up - hide applications other than the current one (though
    keep them
    running)
    Tab - go to the next field (works in all apps)
    Shift-Tab - go to the previous field
    cmd-delete - sends item to trash (in general and from open/save
    dialog box)
    cmd-tab - selects open windows in succession
    shift right arrow selects text
    cmd-f in the finder launches sherlock and brings up the Find File
    tab
    within sherlock:
    cmd-g brings up Find By Content.

    (open/save) dialog box:
    -cmd-up - moves you up through the hierarchy
    -cmd-down - moves you down through the hierarchy
    - cmd-f opens that file in the finder, so you can use the various
    sorting techniques there. (the finder is sort of like the desktop
    in windows... the area where you can fly through the file system.)
    -cmd-g finds next
    - cmd-r allows you to rename the file
    - cmd-1 takes you to the CG folder (if you'd like to map more
    folders like this, choose the third folder icon from the left and
    add the folder to favorites)

    Shortcuts to Applications (f6 etc. are most effective on a full-
    size keyboard, the kind you plug into the laptop. to make it
    better for laptops, we've ALSO
    installed these alternatives.

    cmd-6 or f6 - appleworks
    cmd-7 or f7 - netsacpe
    cmd-8 or f8 - emailer
    cmd-9 or f9 - bbedit
    cmd-0 or f10 - now up to date

    f12 toggles windows in an application
    cmd-shift-a brings up addresses

    In Emailer
    - return - opens an email so you can read it. also closes it.
    - cmd-right - closes the current email and opens the next one in
    the list.
    - cmd-left - moves you up through them
    - cmd-opt-right - moves you down through your emails and delete
    the last viewed open email
    - cmd-opt-left - moves you up through your emails and delete the
    last viewer open emial
    - cmd-r - reply to sender
    - ctl-r - reply to all
    - cmd-j - forward
    - cmd-opt-k -- send and receive messages
    - cmd-return -- queue the current message to be sent (i.e. along
    with all the others at the next scheduled connection, every 5
    minutes or whatever)
    - cmd-shift-return -- send the current message right now
    - ctl-s - toggle signature
    - ctl-d - disable schedule
    - cmd-h - add recipient
    - ctl-h add attachment and uncheck file compression
    - option-up - top of email
    - option-dn - bottom of email
    - cmd-click on URL: opens netscape to that page
    - cmd-click on e-mail address: creates a new e-mail message To:
    that address
    (these two only work in claris e-mailer... not in bbedit,
    unfortunately!)
    - cmd-opt-h changes your outgoing mail config for home
    - cmd-opt-o changes your outgoing mail config for office
    - cmd-' pastes text into emailer as if it is a return email (blue
    with >s)
    - cmd-1 takes you to the inbox
    - cmd-2 takes you to the outbox
    - cmd-3 takes you to the filing cabinet
    - cmd-4 takes you to the address book
    - home and end in claris emailer take you to the start or end of a
    msg. (fn + left or right arrow)
    *make sure you uncheck the compression box when attaching files

    In Now-Up-To-Date
    - cmd-n - new apt.
    - cmd-t - new to do
    - cmd-b - banner
    - cmd-e - special
    remember to use tab to go to next field (and shift-tab to go to
    previous field).

    In Netscape
    - cmd-h - brings you back to your home page
    - cmd-arrows take you forward and backward
    - cmd-d - makes a bookmark

    In Appleworks
    cmd-t - scale by % (uses the % last defined in that menu option.
    choose the menu option manually, Arrange -> Scale By Percent, to
    change that %)
    cmd-pgdn - move object to back (note that on a laptop, that will
    be fn-cmd-pgdn)
    cmd-pdup - move object to front (only in Draw mode)

    In BBEdit

    cmd-shift-\ - remove all line breaks
    ctl-r - replace all
    cmd-i - *italicizes*
    cmd-arrow - takes you to the end of the line of text
    opt-arrow - takes you to the next word
    opt-up arrow - takes you to the top of the page
    option-down arrow - takes you to the bottom of the page

    In General

    - mute the volume - on the laptop, f6 (or, to be exact, the button
    that would be f6 with the fn button). please do mute your mac in
    the office, unless you particularly need to hear something.

    - when not in use for a few hours, have mac asleep -- point is, as
    opposed to having it shut down (just shut the cover to put it
    asleep).

    - when you first get an app, do the following - play with all the
    menu options - go through the preferences - memorize the major
    keystrokes

    - cmd-opt-esc force quits and application
    - cmd-ctl-power button force restarts the computer

    Typeit4me
    e.g. dt, cg add more by "editing entries" in the typeit4me menu
    ** to disable triggers use shift-space

    Remote Access:
    Change location manager (in apple menu)
    dial in with remote access (in apple menu)
    change outgoing mail server (cmd-opt-h in emailer)

    go over:

    remote access/tcp/ip/appletalk
    projector/monitor
    docspace
    text editor (find)
    sleep
    add mem to ppt and cwk
    backups
    attachments
    server
    file system
    docspace
    projector/monitor
    how to zip and stuff
    avoidance of cross platform issues
    battery/disk removal
    battery/sleep controls
    remote access

  39. goatse.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    No, wait! Don't mod me down just yet! Look at goatse.cx! The goatse.cx man is not on the front page anymore! They're mourning what happened in NY! Seriously!

    1. Re:goatse.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOL

      That was some funny shit

    2. Re:goatse.cx by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      He's right you know...

      I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

    3. Re:goatse.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is why were you looking at goatse.cx?

  40. Funny Mac Tech Support story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The part in goodeasy where he says "your first job is to clear off the desktop" reminds me of two funny calls I had when I did Mac tech support (which by the way, is 10x easier than the Windows tech support I do now but only 1/10 as easy as the VM/CMS support I did years ago)...

    In the first call I determined the cause of their problem was that their hard drive was full. Caller disagreed so I Timbuktu'd in and examined their hard drive and showed them it was full. Caller said I was still wrong as "All of my documents are kept in this folder on the desktop". They took the mouse and opened a folder on their desktop... sure enough it contained hundreds of (MS Office) files. "See, all of my files are on the desktop, not on my hard drive." Of course I had explained that what is on the desktop is really on the hard drive too. The user says "You mean they are not stored in the monitor?"

    The second caller was a person who kept all of their files in their trash (recycle bin for you Win people). When I asked them why they said "That way they won't take any disk space!". I explained that they actually do and in addition to it being rather awkward to keep all their files in the trash they ran the risk that somebody else using their computer would empty the trash and wipe out their files. User says "Yes, that has happened several times already".

    UGGHHHHH!

    1. Re:Funny Mac Tech Support story by dennis_redfield · · Score: 1

      Although this is a funny story - it has appeared many, many times in "greatest hits of support" joke list over the past five years. Gee now we know who actually got those calls. liar.

    2. Re:Funny Mac Tech Support story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a rude and arrogant idiot.
      How do you know he isn't telling the truth? Goof.

    3. Re:Funny Mac Tech Support story by sphealey · · Score: 2

      "Although this is a funny story - it has appeared many, many times in "greatest hits of support" joke list over the past five years"

      And both of them have actually happened to me in the last 3 months (note that I am not the original poster). So its possible the guy was in fact sincere.

      sPh

  41. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by jhoffoss · · Score: 2

    Noticed this last night after installing IE6: (on Windows) I opened an attached Word document opened through a webmail system and the document opened in an MS Word-style editor/view inside IE6. Just a sidenote...

    Another important thing some do not realise is you can save an HTML file edited in Word as "Plain HTML." Don't know if that's available on a mac or not though.

    --
    Linux: The world's best text-adventure game.
  42. It's true. by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    And it's not just the usual mourning but in fact a Score: 5, Funny.

    --
    Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
  43. All I want is this.. by lukel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...a program that watches what I type and when it sees me repeating a word or phrase several times, suggests a short cut without interrupting me, e.g. displaying it in the info bar at the bottom of the window. For example, if I keep typing "String", it might suggest [S][T][space] as the shortcut.

    I don't want to have to stop working and think up shortcuts since the computer would be better at identifying which words and phases I use most. I don't want the computer to try to guess what I'm going to do next since no matter how good it was, it would still piss me off when it was wrong (and it's none of the computer's business whether I'm writing a letter).

    Where can I find it?

    1. Re:All I want is this.. by noc · · Score: 1
      Where can I find it?


      Oh Lord, the sense of entitlement people have drives me nuts. You thought up something you really want: first, you can check to see if someone already implemented something similar and gave it away or is selling it. If not, you can look for others interested in the same thing, and try to collaborate with them. Finally, you can pay someone to spend their time writing it for you (*cough* *cough*).


      If you were content to do everything from within Emacs (writing letters, e-mail, web-browsing, using the shell can all be done), this wouldn't be too difficult. If you wanted it to be global across all applications, it'd be more work.

    2. Re:All I want is this.. by jeffehobbs · · Score: 1

      No need for an attitude -- he was asking a perfectly valid question. Anyhow, you can find it here:

      http://www.catchysoftware.com/autocompleter/

      It's for OS X. Also cool, while I'm plugging other people's GUI enhancements:

      http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.htm l

      Launch Bar (also for OS X) is the most efficient GUI improvement I've ever seen. Hit "command-space", then start typing. You can type the name of an application, a document, a web bookmark, a directory, even email addresses if you set it up right. Launch Bar drops down from the top of the screen and guesses at your choice (it's usually right!). Hit return and the app/doc/url/whatever is launched. Very cool... every OS should have this.

      ~jeff

    3. Re:All I want is this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE Has had a launchbar thing for a long time

    4. Re:All I want is this.. by lukel · · Score: 1

      Looks interesting, I don't actually have OS X though :(

      However, I'm not yet persuaded by autocompleters. I tend to find they interrupt my train of thought and if I need to check the autocompleter has chosen what I wanted or to choose one of several options, its faster just to type the whole damn thing. I'm generally against smart/intelligent computers - I'd rather have a dumb machine that was completely predictable than a smart one whose shoulder one has to look over.

    5. Re:All I want is this.. by lukel · · Score: 2
      If you wanted it to be global across all applications, it'd be more work.

      Actually, I'm not convinced it would be that hard. All that you would need to do is intercept key presses, record them, and pass them to the relevant application. Suppose that [S][t][space] was the shortcut for "String", since you had already passed the [S] and [t] to the application, you would need to send [backspace], [backspace], followed by [S],[t],[r],[i],[n],[g]. You would also need a an escape character that cancelled shortcuts for when you actually wanted to type "St ". Perhaps you could use [S][t][space] [backspace] to get "St "?

      I don't have enough time for the projects I'm involved in already, so there's not much prospect of implementing it myself.

      I guess my Where can I find it? got taken the wrong way. I thought I had a good idea, and that if I expressed enthusiasm for it, it would increase the likelihood of someone picking it up.

    6. Re:All I want is this.. by ftobin · · Score: 2

      ...a program that watches what I type and when it sees me repeating a word or phrase several times, suggests a short cut without interrupting me, e.g. displaying it in the info bar at the bottom of the window. For example, if I keep typing "String", it might suggest [S][T][space] as the shortcut.

      Emacs has what you want. I'm not familiar with the exact command (an Emacs guru showed me how it works, though). Basically, you type away at whatever you are doing, and if you want it to auto-complete a word, any word, you give a short command (maybe a C-x thingy), and it looks at the surrounding context and typing history, figuring out what word to complete it as.

      FYI, I don't know if Xemacs has a similar command.

    7. Re:All I want is this.. by ftobin · · Score: 2

      Emacs has what you want. I'm not familiar with the exact command

      It seems like Xemac's version of the command is simply "complete" (access via "M-x complete"). You should probably bind this to an easier to access command (something else I have to look up how to do).

      It's amazing what you can find with the "apropos" command.

    8. Re:All I want is this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      M-/ (or M-x dabbrev-expand) does that. It'll search backwards, then forwards, then other buffers for words starting with the same stem. What's really cool is that you can keep banging on M-/ until you get the right word, and there's no dictionary setup--just start using it. I'd have RSI for sure by now otherwise, what with the big ugly variable names preferred in Win32 code.

    9. Re:All I want is this.. by ftobin · · Score: 2

      Xemacs is very nice. I was typing "M-x complete", and the next thing it told me was that "complete" is also bound it "C-return". So, just hit Ctrl-return, and Xemacs magically completes any word for you!

    10. Re:All I want is this.. by SashaM · · Score: 1

      This is exactly the sort of thing I *don't* want an editor to do. This is of course my personal preferences, but I absolutely hate editors which try to guess things for you or do something they think they know how. Generally, I think software should try to guess as little as possible about what the user wants and just present him with an easy way to tell the software explicitly what he wants.

    11. Re:All I want is this.. by LetterJ · · Score: 2

      OpenOffice.org. If you're using the OpenOffice word processor, it "auto-completes" words you've type a few times. If you just keep typing, it goes away, so it doesn't interfere, but you just have to hit enter to accept the suggestion. Not exactly what you're looking for, but similiar.

    12. Re:All I want is this.. by mrogers · · Score: 1

      The NSA's working on it. It's not feature-complete yet: so far it just watches what you type.

    13. Re:All I want is this.. by netsharc · · Score: 0

      I've often wondered what a good GUI would be. If you've ever played "Theme Hospital", you can play, and non-urgent problems show up as little icons on the bottom right corner of the screen. There were several icons: a question mark for a question (well duh), or a spinning siren if there was an emergency to be handled. It was great, it let you keep playing, attending to the information when you have the time. Of course emergencies need to be taken care of quite quickly. Then I thought, the ultimate GUI would be one that would be just like that, you can keep working, and things happening get to be shown at an area in the corner of the screen. In a simple text. I even thought of it as far as removing "Do you want to save this file?" dialog boxes to that area, and only dealing with them when you want to. Of course that would mean the OS would have to deal with the previous file, and the new file, and wait until the user says Yes or No to delete one of them.

      Anyway, one interface that has come close to this is MSN Messenger's. When you have new hotmail, a small window on the corner of the screen shows up, saying you have new mail. It doesn't have any widgets, and the only thing you can do with it is click it to open hotmail.com. If you wait, it will disappear after a while. The same window can be made to show up when someone comes online. It's great, it lets you keep working, although a chat program isn't the greatest productivity tool.

      The "MOTD" on the bottom of this Slashdot page says "Tape your mouth".

      --
      What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
    14. Re:All I want is this.. by aTMsA · · Score: 1

      Nope, the MOTD says "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS"

  44. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

    I think that's actually an issue with the version of Word, wherein it establishes itself as the default in-browser plugin for .doc files (like Acrobat does with .pdf files), as upgrading from Office 95 to 97 at work caused us a lot of troubles where our old Intranet sites that contained links to downloadable forms suddenly started containing links to in-browser forms that caused content to get lost when users changed the form and clicked the back button. Mime types are a wonderful thing, BTW, in case anyone's wondered.

    Now this was quite some time ago, I presume that you're using more current versions of Word, so I'm guessing that you were also upgrading from IE 3.x to 6.0, perhaps off of a default install of something, no? Maybe not, but that's my experience.

  45. Sold Our Soul to GUI by suavew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A friend of mine has often commented that we've sold our soul to the GUI. His point is that GUIs don't always make life easier. People seem to focus on GUI for GUI's sake. I think that GUIs can make life easier, but not always.

    Even when GUIs do make life easier, often the investment is not worh it -- Developers spend so much time on the GUI that either underlying functionality suffers or the entire program is bug-ridden.

    What are your views on this?

    What are some good alternatives to GUI development? Do you use any libraries for creating nice text-based apps with simple interfaces? If so, which ones?

    1. Re:Sold Our Soul to GUI by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2
      Every utility I write is text based. The quickest, most efficient way to use many of them, however, is to bind them to my favorite two gui's, ROX-Filer and Windowmaker's desktop menu.

      This is how it should be. It took me no extra effort to 'gui-fy' my code, because the UI takes care of that FOR ME. You shouldn't HAVE to write gui code for simple tasks. You should be able to merge it into your GUI of choice to make you most productive. Windowmaker is awesome for this, as is ROX-Filer.

      To see examples of what I'm talking about, please feel free to browse my code pages, http://freefall.homeip.net/ where I show examples of integration with ROX and Windowmaker, despite some of the utilities being text only. I do this with my envelope printer too (I have both a ROX App for it, and a fly-out windowmaker menu...I just tell it which envelope to print...drag drop in ROX's case, click the envelope I want to print in windowmaker's case). I just haven't gotten around to doing the example on the web page for the envelope printer yet.

    2. Re:Sold Our Soul to GUI by Compuser · · Score: 2

      I think it is true that most people do not RTFM.
      Therefore for most people all options should be
      available in a non-text form. This leads to GUI,
      and especially hierarchical toolbars. When
      entering a complicated maze, which would you
      rather have: a document telling you to turn right
      then left then right then straight then...
      or each turn be labelled?
      As for coding, GUI programs should be less buggy
      in principle, provided that the infrastructure
      (foundation classes, e.g. MFC or QT or GTK) is
      well done. The reason is that GUI allows less
      degrees of freedom for user input: you know that
      a slider will return numerical value in a given
      range. I hate coding command line stuff (including
      allowing users to enter parameters via edit boxes)
      because that makes me think about crazy stuff a
      user might enter.
      I think many people lay out the GUI first as a way
      to plan their app. That way they can restrict the
      user as much as possible and make coding core
      functionality easier.

  46. How to think like a computer.. by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is exactly why the command line is so powerful. It is closer to the guts of computing than any GUI. The same goes for types of programming: is there any object-oriented hardware around? Didn't think so either.

    Of course the combination of some sort of a GUI and command line is very powerful, having the best of both worlds. Even in a graphical environment you can do most things with the keyboard in a more efficient way. I don't understand fancy mice with wheels and all when the good ol' keyb does the scrolling just as well. That's literally reinventing the wheel.

    What's interesting that in the 80s and early 90s people were quite happy to learn shortcuts in DOS applications; someone already mentioned WP5.1 being more efficient than Word. Then came the GUI and suddenly everything just had to be graphical, even many things that have nothing to do with graphics.

    Speaking of IMs, I am more than happy with MICQ. That is IMHO the easiest and most natural interface to IM. The command line.

    --
    Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    1. Re:How to think like a computer.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The same goes for types of programming: is there any object-oriented hardware around? Didn't think so either."

      You mean like disk drives and printers, where you talk to a limited set of I/O space addresses and magically data goes in & out and the printer prints?

      IDE, SCSI, PCI are all communication bus standards designed to provide a common way to send commands to different devices - sometimes event sending the same commands to different brands of devices (WD vs IBM vs Maxtor disks) and having the drives do their own special thing to execute the commands.

      That would be known as polymorphism..

    2. Re:How to think like a computer.. by benb · · Score: 1

      > is there any object-oriented hardware around?

      Yes. nVIDIA's GeForce.

    3. Re:How to think like a computer.. by benb · · Score: 1

      > What's interesting that in the 80s and early 90s
      > people were quite happy to learn shortcuts in DOS
      > applications

      That's wrong, too. People were endlessly annoyed by having to learn this kind of stuff.

  47. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get them Abiword. Anyone who's used Word will be at home there, and it produces an XML language that you could automatically XSLT to plain text or HTML.

  48. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been happening since at least IE5 and you just noticed?

  49. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guy is doing his whorest best to catch a +1 Funny.

  50. You're right but that's not what I meant by TeknoHog · · Score: 2
    I mean the conversion from a source code to binary. What goes on in the processor with the machine language is procedural. Higher-level procedural languages are essentially macros for assembly.

    Maybe object-oriented programming isn't that much different, it is just a neat way of arranging the data and the functions. Ideas like encapsulation are important in any kind programming, you want to keep the interface stable even if the guts of a function changes. The difference to procedural code is then like that between a GUI and a command line: in the end the same task is performed by binary code. It's just that one of the interfaces is closer to the machine language, and hence _maybe_ more efficient.

    --
    Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    1. Re:You're right but that's not what I meant by furiousgeorge · · Score: 2

      >>It's just that one of the interfaces is
      >>closer to the machine language, and hence
      >>_maybe_ more efficient.

      *maybe* more efficient. But you'll hate your life every minute you have to deal with it.

      How much more productive am I writing code in Lisp/Smalltalk/C++/Perl, etc etc vs. hand coding assembly? I can't even comprehend.

      There's a tradeoff - efficiency isn't everything. Their is also convenience, extensibility, maintainablity and so on.........

      I always kinda shake my head by people who are just obsessed with the command line and "nothing is more powerful". Bull. It's a tool. Personally, everytime i have to deal with GDB i feel like going outside and kicking cars - it's a painful experience ( DDD is slightly better - about as fun as being poked in the eye with a pointed stick). MSDEV/VC6 is a 'GUI' - but man my performance with it is an order of magnitude higher.

      (and yes, i DO write linux/unix code. I do everything in VC with a samba share, and just reach over to my linux box and run make. I do all debugging under Win32 unless i absolutely have to touch linux because the tools are MUCH MUCH better).

      j

    2. Re:You're right but that's not what I meant by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Personally, everytime i have to deal with GDB i feel like going outside and kicking cars - it's a painful experience ...MSDEV/VC6 is a 'GUI' - but man my performance with it is an order of magnitude higher.
      There are GUI and GUI-like wrappers for gdb, you know. (The emacs gdb mode is my favorite.)

      And unlike GUI-only tools, you get your choice of several front-ends. This is the right way to build software.

      --
      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
  51. Re:I will fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was putting in quotations his comments reguarding what they used to bring down the aircraft. Kinda saying that "pussy box knives", in his 75 IQ language, brought down a FUCKING AIRLINER. Don't be a idiot, moron.

  52. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by jhoffoss · · Score: 2

    "We don't use IE" (read, latest version, 5.5 when I went to 6) and Office 97. I've never had a document open in IE like this before, so I dunno. It's possible our standard install package doesn't install features like that with office.

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  53. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by jhoffoss · · Score: 2

    A. I rarely get sent word documents, and when I do they're at work in GroupWise.
    B. I don't regularly use webmail.
    C. I don't have a C, but those other two reasons are reason enough, I think. =)

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  54. Cleaning up MS-Word generated HTML by Louis_Wu · · Score: 5, Informative
    My office email is filled with people mailing MS Word documents to me for Web-related projects. Often there's nothing in these documents but plain text and some bolded topic headlines. If I try to convert them to HTML to make my job easier, it doesn't work, because MS litters Word-generated HTML with styles and nonstandard tags that only IE5 can understand, all to make the Web page look as much like the Word doc as possible.
    HTML Tidy, a program available from the World Wide Web Consortium, will strip out the junk from Word-to-HTML documents you've converted to HTML. Go to the HTML Tidy web page and search for "Support for Word2000" - it should be a page or two down.

    You can grab binaries for several OSs, binaries of other programs which have incorporated Tidy into themselves, or get the source. Hope that this works for you.

  55. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Carbon+Blob · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a swap in the making...

  56. Everything old is new again... by sphealey · · Score: 2

    I am all in favor of tools like this. But it sure sounds like a reinvention of Quarterdesk DesqView!

    sPh

  57. simplicity? where? by tim_maroney · · Score: 2

    Seven pages of installation instructions and a bunch of keyboard commands to memorize, and it's "simple"?

    Man, some people just will never get it.

    Tim

    1. Re:simplicity? where? by boneshintai · · Score: 1

      man: no match

      (Note to cmdrtaco: Your new lameness filter sucks. kthxplzdrvthru.)

  58. More than one terminal? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
    And when they did discover that the terminal emu did everything that the console did, they still didn't grasp the idea that they could have more than one terminal on the screen at once.

    What are you talking about? Didn't you ever have two or more NT consoles open? (Or MS-Dos prompt or whatever it is called in 9x) Any halfway knowledgable windows user knows about those. (I don't talk office drones, but office drones don't need a console)
    Aside: I like to push Ctrl-Alt-F1 when I'm under Linux, not because I don't like term emu, but for command line I prefer the full screen version, actually when under Linux, being in X is more the exception than the rule.

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    1. Re:More than one terminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Aside: I like to push Ctrl-Alt-F1 when I'm under Linux, not because I don't like term emu, but for command line I prefer the full screen version, ..."

      ?? Just about any term emu I've used has more columns and rows than a console..

    2. Re:More than one terminal? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't use VESA modes for the console, do you? Besides, I in termemu I alway have to increase font size in order to read it halfway okay, that of course reduces the visible characters without need to horizonally/vertically scroll...not everyone has excellent eyes you know.

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  59. Use the correct tool. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I have seen some people avocate that everything can be done with a mouse and it is easy. I have heard people say command line is fast and productive. But there is a mixture of both worlds. Some Apps work better with the mouse and other is with the keyboard. I found Text editors, Word Processors and E-Mail and the like are best with keyboards. Drawing programs and web browsers are best with the mouse. (I do like lynx) but when I have good bandwith I am more productive with a graphical browser. They Have their place and none should replace the other. As for as ordany operating enviroment. I have X-Windows open with a X-Term All the GUI Apps I use the most are in as "shortcuts" (I use GNOME at home and KDE at work) in the title bar. The desktop is clean from icons. and I use the Xterm for file management and all the text apps. And I use the GUI links for Netscape, StarOffice and other gui apps. Also I have a link to Xterm to open an extra Xterm if I accedently close my xterm. The rest of my title bar has the clock a method to switch windows that are minimized. and thats about it. Even in the Xterm Ill use my mouse to cut and paist text from above because I didn't know the output before I pipe it or it is not in a easy order to parse. But if I want to kill all of my forked looped procesies. nothing beats a ps -ef | grep | awk '{printf "kill -9 %s\n",$4}' | csh

    A gui version to kill thousands of proceies that are spread threw the processes stat could take a long time to get rid of.

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  60. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by sphealey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "All these people have something in common: they don't think like a computer."

    This reminds me of economists, who have spent 30 years building theories of human behaviour based on utility maximization and rational choice. When they finally realize that real humans are neither utility maximizers nor particularly rational, rather than change their theories they get mad at the humans for not behaving the way they "should"!

    sPh

  61. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by webcrafter · · Score: 1

    Are those scripts open-sourced? Where can I download them?

  62. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Electrum · · Score: 1

    If you live in Arizona where it's 105 degrees on a good day, then air conditioning really is a NEED!

  63. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by argel · · Score: 1
    Meanwhile, I send all my IM's in high-contrast colors and sans-serif fonts.

    Not to nitpick but did you know that serif fonts are usually easier to read than sans-serif ones (i.e. cause less eye strain)? Okay, okay -- I am nitpicking! :-)

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    -- Argel
  64. Re:FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think what you mean to say is SECOND piss.

    HA!!

  65. Orthogonality with universal data representation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few weeks ago I posted to dot.kde.org a short paragraph that tried to summarize a very long discussion (years) I had with a colleague concerning orthogonality within a system. The theory proposes that when crossing subsystem boundaries, a data-driven design leads to a much more orthogonal system than an OO or functional design. I think his reply (posting by Chris Kohlhepp) states the theory quite well.

    Although we were discussing the problems with COM as an OS paradigm, this theory explains why the "small utility/text data" paradigm has resulted in Unix being such an extensible operating system.

  66. Don't buy macs by oliverthered · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    THis guy brough a MAC, he is now learning that the reduced learning curve of a macs u results in piss poor performance after ohh a day or so. MAC's are for twats that's why it rymes.

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  67. command line is simple? by Digital_Fiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

    memorizing the syntax to dozens of cryptic commands is simple?

  68. This is the Mac Way not *nix Way by Tachys · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As anyone read the actual guide? goodeasy. From the the wired article and these post this sounds like this was done on some sort of Unix. Wrong this was done on a Macintosh.

    These things have always been part of the Mac philosophy. Apps do one thing and do it well, use keybinds for everything. This is why IE defeated Netscape on the Mac side even with Mac Users often fanactical hatred of Microsoft. IE just a web browser and supported Inter Config. In Inter Config you can say what apps you whant to handle http,ftp, news etc. Of course Netscape would not allow you to use other apps for email, or news. It had all that built-in.

    Of course Linux GUIs and other web browsers are over-bloated "suites" or "platforms". Mozilla a "platform" for developing appications. Konqueror is a file manager was a built-in web browser. Nautilus is a file manager, web browser, note taker and help browser. Are lynx and IE for Mac the only web browsers that exist? I know IE for windows is os is supposed to be a file manager/web browser. But they don't do that on the Mac, knowing Mac users will have little tolerance for that.

  69. WordPerfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think part of the point here is that people can get used to and learn any system, even if it's entirely arbitrary. they can even be happy with it as so long as it stays the same and works predictably.

    Look at all the morons who were able to learn WordPerfect 4.2 or 5.1. These were not 'easy', 'simple', or 'intuitive', yet people learned them, and could be VERY productive with them. of course it took a couple weeks for them to get productive, but damn it, the software worked, it was predictable and people could understand it. there weren't alot of abstract concepts and metaphors for them to comprehend; btw, certain abstractions just don't 'click' for some people even 'intelligent' people. it's a particular type of intelligence...

    i think that as in a lot of areas of human activity, people were unfortunately seduced by the _image_ (in this case, the gui) and forgot about the reality.

    the goal always should have been getting work done with the least amount of effort and frustration.

    i really feel sorry for all those secretaries who learned how to navigate their DOS or UNIX machines and run WordPerfect, then were presented with this Windows crap that they could never understand and which never worked consistently.

  70. Re:Riiiiiight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since egg troll got an automatic -1 i'll post his comment:

    I bet 20:1 odds that this cockfondler is a kid living in a well-to-do suburb somewhere.

  71. the gaping hole in this argument by jbellis · · Score: 1

    is that not everyone who wants to write anything more than a textfile has a secretary.

  72. Article Author worked for Mark Hurst by count0 · · Score: 1

    Zimran used to be at Creative Good (Mark's consultancy) until quite recently...I'm all for usability and user experience (it's how I make my living, and a big part of what I spend my spare time on). But I'm also a big supporter of disclosure...

  73. Thoughts on Win Gui and OS layout. by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

    As a long time computer user, starting from a C64/Floppy/300 baud modems to DualP3s/Terrabyte storage/DSL I have migrated and changed the way I interact with GUI's and store my files many times over the years.

    Mark Hursts ideas are almost like mine. I will break it down a little as to HD layout then OS.
    I have normally have 2 HDs in my system, HDA for my OS's and HDB for my Games and Work. HDA I break down into 4 Paritions.
    HDA1 for Win98,
    HDA2 for Win2K,
    HDA3 for either a Linux dristro or WinXP beta
    HDA4 for the swap if im using linux.
    HDB1 is 1 parition, normally 3 folders, Games, Work and Emulators. (Im a UAE and Mame freak.)

    I dont normally use boot loaders other than Win2k's, If i boot linux i use loadlin, it seems easier for me to maintain. (C:\linux)

    Im a big fan of Norton Ghost, using ghost on the paritions, I can restore quickly. As I like to play around with drivers and migrate my HD's to more space. I also burn the .gho files on CDs. If the files are larger than 700 megs, I rar the ghost images and make it self extractable. So I can boot a fresh HD from floppy. I also copy the CD images to the HD, unrar, and ghost from the whole image.

    I'm a little more in depth on my HDA1 drive, I use directory names, Apps, GFX, Net, Sound, Utils, Work. I also have the normal windows directories, My Documents, Windows and Temp. Under My Documents I put My Pictures, My Music and Favorites. I then use M$ Tweak UI to point all windows versions on my HD to c:\My documents, C:\My Documents\favorites, etc.. This keeps all my files at hand if im either Win98, Win2K or linux. It makes it easier to keep every file in the same place under ever os. (Example, IE for Win2K and Win98 point to the same favorites, so my bookmarks are the same.)

    After I get the basic windows installed (doesnt matter what version). I upgrade the entire installation with the newest patches and drivers. Then register file types for my apps, not windows defaults. Apps include textpad, winzip,winrar,cdrwin,nero,acdsee,winamp,proxomitro n. Windows modifications as x-teq and m$ powertoys.

    Now that windows is installed, and apps, I keep a shortcut to a folder NET in c:\net\net on my desktop. This folder c:\net\net keeps shortcuts for all my programs. Even if I reinstall windows, my c:\net\net folder stays. I put a shortcut of my NET folder in my tooltray. I can either alt-tab or click on the tooltray icon (in case my apps are maximized) to have access to my favorite apps. I really dont use the start menu, as it takes longer to get to my commonly used applications.

    Microsoft has weened us off Dual pane file managers.(I miss fileman!) This was (IMHO) the hardest thing to get used to in win95 and new versions of windows. Trying to copy files from a file viewed pane, then select the destination folder is slower and has more steps involved. M$ introduced powertoys that included "Copy To and Move To" extensions to windows, that at least helped. I do keep a copy of 2xExplorer for when I need to handle large ammount of files.

    The part that actually increased my productivity was the toolbar. Being able to have access to my running applications, instead of alt-tabbing was a nice changed. It also provides a quick visual que on what programs im running. The tooltray also speeds up access to my c:\net\net quick launch folder full of shortcuts.

    Drag and Drop, right mouse menus have become standard. I have found that I now drag mp3's onto winamp, and right mouse clicking and enqueing them. My older habit was using playlists for everything. IE didnt have the best right mouse menus, but with IE6, they have the most common menus again. (Using proxomitron and enabling all right mouse clicks also helps)

    Now as my Linux GUI, I really use Windows as workstation, and unix as a server and display X back to my windows box. (X-win32 is far the best for this.) But when Im using a unix workstation, I normally install IceWM. IceWM is small, fast and has a toolbar and tooltray. It is highly customizable and can add those extra buttons that come in handy. The windowshade mode which rolls up the window to a bar is very handy. Comes in handy when I need to view multiple load balanced servers at the same time. Also for quick eye-candy, I like the network and cpu meters on the toolbar, dont really need it, but nice to see.

    Started to use WinXP beta, and I'm pretty impressed with its Font Smoothing features. Check out some screenshots I made for friends here and here.. The font smoothing works all throught the GUI, notice how the menus are changed.

    I spend too much time playing around with new utilities and GUI's for windows. If your interested in modifing your windows GUI, check out Shell City, WindowBlinds, and Litestep.

    Have fun!
    -Brook

  74. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Alpha+State · · Score: 2

    I have a word macro which converts a document to basic HTML if anyone is interested. Unfortunately it's not online ATM.

  75. Good idea, but... by Mumble01 · · Score: 1

    I think what's important to remember here is that there is not one correct way to use a computer. Everyone has different systems that work for them. That's why the rigid color scheme and design decisions in OS X may hurt its acceptance in the long run. I want to customize my computer to my habits, not the other way around.

  76. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by unitron · · Score: 2
    "I organize my files pathologically..."

    I find that alphabetically usually works better.

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  77. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Nightpaw · · Score: 1

    Wait, are the chicks "open sourced"? Where can I "download" them?

  78. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Nightpaw · · Score: 1

    Hell, they can't even distiguish between a document and the default application that opens the document. I've seen people do directory management and open Excel files from within Word's Open dialog box.

  79. this guy needs to get out more... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    > Back in 1987, just after the Apple Lisa had been introduced,

    Erm, the Lisa was intro'd in 1983 and discontinued in 1985. I remembered as much, and confirmed it with one google search.

    We're supposed to use an interminable text file to make our hard drive look just like Mark's?

    Feh.

    His simplified web site - though it was ref'd in the article, i failed to find his recipe text file after two levels deep in several links - so much for ease of use.

    Considering that installing MacOS 9.1 or 9.2 or adding MacOS X will ditch this folder system by design...

    And look at that client list! kozmo.com?!! oooooh.

    Any Mac user with half a brain has already streamlined their HD in the fashion that suits their work style.

    And Claris eMailer? Please. Trusting your email to a long-dead app may be ok for some crusty original *nix hardcores, but it's risky business for most. eMailer has familiar stability problems, and who ya gonna call these days when it does - and it will - take your mail along with it?

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  80. Re:why is is necessary to empty trash/recycle bin? by Foaf · · Score: 2

    The whole point of the trash/recycle bin is to make it easy to retrieve files that have been deleted. Emptying the trash means you don't have that option any more.

    The only reason people feel the need to empty
    their trash/recycle bin is because as soon as you put any file in there it looks like it's full. Since it looks full, the natural instinct is to empty it to make room for new files. This metaphor is completely false.

    Mac OS and Windows set an upper limit on the size of the contents of the trash/recycle bin. You can change that limit to however big or small you want it. After that files are deleted to make room for newer deleted files.

    Ideally, the trash icon would reflect how much of the space allocated to deleted files is being used.

  81. GUIs, command line and BASIC by os2fan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The thing with the command line is that you have to think more carefully about the data structures you use. This means that you already have applied the necessary pre-planning required.

    The same thing can make BASIC programs work faster. In essence, one writes for Z=function(X,Y):

    A1=X:A2=Y:GOSUB {function}:Z=A1

    If you think about the functions you use, you can make, and where the output is placed, you can replace the one function with serveral functions.

    Interestingly, the people who fiddle around with lots of little tools will split the problem into lots of smaller ones when a single larger tool would be faster. The tools are often on hand, and are faster to assemble than it is to write one big tool. The bigger tool should be looked at if one is doing lots of the same task. The reference for this is Knuth "Literate Programming".

    The increase in productivity is because the CLI forces one to consider the data structures earlier, eg, up front, and this is the right thing to do.

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  82. Tufte fan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've been reading your Edward Tufte again, haven't you?

  83. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Calamity+Jane · · Score: 1

    Serif for print, sans-serif for pixels.

  84. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.cern.ch or www.whatisthematirx.com

  85. Emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the world needs is Emacs; maybe some hardware-based Lisp machines or hardware-accelerated Python.

  86. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
    serif fonts are usually easier to read than sans-serif ones

    For print, yes, you want black-on-white serif text.

    Monitors aren't print. (Which is why WYSIWYG word processors are hideous by nature.) Glowing white backgrounds are not the same as reflective paper, and pixel DPI is about an order of magnitude less than good print.

    I like white-on-dark blue, green-on-black, or dark-blue-on-cream colors, and bold "lucidatypewriter" fonts, for my xterm, exmh, and emacs windows. But for some odd reason I prefer Times (Adobe) on my browser...

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  87. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by skbenolkin · · Score: 1

    How irrational of them :)

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  88. I never empty my trash... by jb_nizet · · Score: 1

    I delete so many files in a day (and often several times the same file, i.e. a file that is deleted and then generated again), that I've taken the habit to always press the shift key when deleting a file. The file is thus really deleted, without going to the trash can.

    I must say that I'm pretty happy about it, since I've only deleted something accidentally one or two times.

    But I've always wondered why the trash is not a bit more sophisticated. For example, the trash should be organized in a directory hierarchy similar to the original one, so that you're able to find deleted files easier.
    A nice thing to have would be to be able to tell the OS that files under directory X are important and must go to the trash when deleted, whether files under directory Y aren't and can be deleted directly. Same goes for file extensions.

    Damn, I should patent this idea ;-)

    1. Re:I never empty my trash... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you are using windows:

      Right-click on the recycle bin and select properties. Check 'Do not move files to the Recycle Bin.' and live forever happy.

  89. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by oojah · · Score: 1

    (no fucking icons all over the place)

    Having icons all over doesn't mean disorganisation.

    My desktop has lots of icons on it. Top edge middle is for different drives and work folders. Top right is for internet apps. Right hand side is for programming apps. Bottom middle is for games. Bottom left is for drag and drop shortcuts (word pad, paint shop pro etc.).

    It might look a mess, but it's actually carefully organised.

    Roger

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  90. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by arban · · Score: 1

    "So, then, there are two types of people in this world. Those who occasionally empty their desktop trash and those who
    don't."


    You're forgeting about those who don't have a desktop trash, or those that don't even bother with desktop trash. That make four types.

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  91. Typical Lunix thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's no wonder why the battle for the desktop is lost with thinking like this "we know better than user does when it comes to what the best interface is for them". You guys simply dont get it... and while you continue this lunacy of trying to push interfaces designed by geeks for geeks on to the mass market you're only doomed for failure....

    Is it any wonder that egg heads who generally come across as retarded when it comes to expressing themselves to normal people. Would consider elements that make a computer expressive such as fancy fonts pretty gui's etc superfulous ?

    And do you ever wonder how it is all these frivolous interfaces came about ? Well it may have something to do with companies like Microsoft doing market testing and realising *****it's what the consumer wants***

    GET IT ?!

  92. Running Windows? This will help. by xmda · · Score: 1

    Look here: http://mathias.dahl.net/dat/doc/html/hemsida/gqsmc .html

  93. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about those that has disabled it?

    When I delete a file, I want it to disappear, not go hide in the corner.

  94. Re:To make your computer efficient, think like one by frankie · · Score: 2

    To them, anything with text in it is a Word Doc. Quick memo with 3 sentences, Word Doc. Non-formated copy for website, Word Doc.

    Hell, I'll see your coworkers and raise with my distance students. To many of them, any form of content is a Word doc. I provide exact instructions how to take a screenshot, use Paint and save as gif. They send a multi-megabyte Word doc -- 24bit uncompressed bitmaps are big, and wrapping a .doc around it gets even bigger. Since Word can import and edit pictures (sort of), it's their default graphics app.

    They can't comprehend why I complain about their bloated, KakWorm infested files.