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Lawrence Teo writes: "The screenshots of the upcoming KDE 3.x are out! More treats for you screenshot-loving people and I-need-my-desktop-to-look-perfect types. :-)" Frankly, they look a lot like ... previous KDE desktops :) That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
KDE 3 provides a database-independent API for accessing SQL databases. It provides support for ODBC as well as direct support for Oracle, PostgreSQL and MySQL databases (custom drivers may be added as well). I am really looking forward to this feature, as I am a SQL junkie. If I could backend everything to a SQL database I would.
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Come on, everyone knows that a modern desktop needs to have excessive animation. I want a parade of dancing midgets everytime I iconify emacs!
Oh wait, these are just screenshots. Perhaps I just can't see all of the glorious animation? That must be it.
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Well, there's not much change.
But that was said beforehand, it won't be the big change like going from kde1 to kde2.
It's more an upgrade to Qt 3, which has as result that kde2 and kde3 are binary incompatible.
Maybe they are lucky (or not) that it is in about the same timeframe as going from gcc2 to gcc3. All c++ binaries will be broken with or without qt2/qt3 in most major distro's.
On kernel-cousin I read that a beta version should become available at the end of the month. Might be interesting.
I just hope that kde 3 will be ready to ship in the new distro's for next year, like Redhat 7.3/8.0 and Mandrake 8.2.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
[...] and the friendly tips from Kandalf.
:)
"Friendly tips", eh?
Beware... the PaperClip also started like this...
Evolution and Gnumeric are great examples, as are KOffice and Konqueror.
I know it's cliche, but I can't wait for Evo 1.0, Gnome 2.0, KDE 3.0, Mozilla 1.0, Abiword 1.0, et al.
Regards,Reid
I like teamwork. It's easier to assign blame that way.
Actually, I understand that one of the most important difference between KDE 2 and KDE 3 is anti-aliasing. Unfortunatly, they only have JPEG screenshots, so it's almost impossible to notice the anti-aliasing because of how JPEG works. JPEG encodes pictures in the frequency (DCT) domain, so it has a normal tendency to slightly blur (low-pass) the image (which is OK in most circumstances), which makes is also roughly what the anti-aliasing does.
However, PNG (or GIF, but if you don't mind the patent issues) would have been a good alternative, as it doesn't have that low-pass effect since it just works by quantizing values (colormap) before a lossless compression (which is the patented part in GIF). Anyone have GIF or PNG screenshots?
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I remember way back in the day, I thought KDE was an unstable, showy piece of crap. I think a lot of us did. A lot of us didn't even consider KDE over Gnome on our linux box. And I think it is safe to say, and many will agree, that KDE really has done an outstanding job - and that in a relatively short period of time. The screen shots look beautiful, and I wish continued success to the KDE team.
I think several years ago if I would have placed a bet on which GUI would succeed, I would say Gnome. Now, I wouldn't bet on either - I think both are excelling in their own way. Gnome seems to be the accepted choice that the commercial Unixes are going with, while KDE is doing a fine job of fulfilling the desktop wants and needs, and looking cool at the same time.
Hats off to the KDE team - their contribution is taken for granted every time you login to your pretty KDE desktop. KDE, thank you.
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Can u give us an example of where a triangle window would be of _any_ use other than a visual curiosity?
Until then, I'd prefer that KDE and all other developers out there concentrate on work that is actually useful.
Keep in mind, there isn't much new screen candy in KDE 3.0; a lot of the changes are in the libraries. The biggest change is the port to Qt 3.0, which provides database-aware widgets, improved Qt Designer, bi-di text support, a new regexp class, among other things.
There are also many new applications being added to KDE.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
I think MS is out to get me, but I still think it would be nice if it ran on Win95. At work I MUST run windows, no option. If I could show a Linux desktop ...
I'd like it better, and it might help convince mgmt. (or at least convince them not to upgrade Win.
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I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
We'll see how long this box can last...
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
http://www.uk.kde.org
Enjoy. Actually, it's not much to look at.
How on earth did this get modded insightful? Why would you want triangular windows? What possible benefit would that give you? It wouldn't even look cooler, it would just be different (and harder to manage). Also note that arbitrarily-shaped windows are already available for applications that can use them such as Noatun or other themeable media players. For every other application with a sane interface, triangular windows are about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Frankly, they look a lot like ... previous KDE desktops :) That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
Windows 95 looks just like Windows 98. Theres nothing really different, aside from supporting USB. Windows sucks.
Heard Tori Amos on the radio this morning. She had a geat quote: Perspective changes whenever you move. Things always look different from another viewpoint.
Some of the linux zealots need to move around a bit. The view never changes unless you're in front.
You're in luck -- X11 has had the SHAPE extension for at least 15 years. I don't know if it's supported in XFREE86, however. My AIX desktop 5 years ago (?) had it, though. It was kind of amusing have a true circular window for a clock, but I have to say that it wasn't all the exciting.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Let's say you were an history buff, and you were an expert on pyramids. Well, the pyramid is a triangle when viewed two-dimensionally, so you would have less wasted space with a triangular windows.
As far as circle windows, perhaps tire manufacturers would like this?
ok, let's be honest. Whoever modded that up as insightful is just an idiot. On a 2D display, the rectangle windows is the only way to go in 99% of the applications. Wow, what a stupid idea.
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Yes, it may be that it will look a bit prettier. But the major change in KDE 3.0 will be the port of all the apps to Qt 3
That seems to be the last major change in the libs for a long time. I think they will try to keep a consistent API for a couple years (after 3.0 is released) to let programmers write apps for KDE. I undertand (from previous discussions in the dot ) that they decided to jump to (the apparently much improved) Qt 3 now, spend a few months in the ports and then provide a mature, solid API. I guess they made the right decision.
Many thanks to the KDE folks,
-- Don Inodoro
KDE on CygWin -- there you go! It's only KDE 1.1.2 though. But it beats Windows ;)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Oh yes, I totally agree. I don't know how many times I've thought "Y'know, Mozilla is really in the way of my terminal window. If I could just reshape my terminal window so that it resembled a big L that would really help my workflow!" Plus, if we were able to change windows into whatever shape we wanted it would certainly allow for some boasting rights over M$!
I just want to know if X could even be extended to support this.
Ooh! Ooh! You know what ELSE would be cool? If you could have windows that morphed all on their own! We could have Lava-Gnome or Lava-KDE or whatever. The artsy-fartsy types would flock to Linux from their wimpy Macs, and usability can just go fuck itself!
Wow. A whole new world of possibilities has just opened up before us. But would this be a cathedral or bazaar model for development? That's the important quetsion.
- Rev.There are several linux distros that will happily coexist with Windows - i.e. boot off a disk image stored on a Windows partition.
ZipSlack/BigSlack are good examples of this type of thing (http://www.slackware.org)
Just install KDE on one of those and you're good to go.
You might also look at VMWare, which will also achieve the same thing, but will let you run 'KDE-in-a-Window-on-your-Windows-Desktop'.
I think VMWare Express is about $49US.
Hope that helps
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I used kde 2 for a while.
Right now I'm using last night's cvs of kde3 called kde 2.9.0.
Not much has changed as far as looks go. Here are some changes i've noticed as i have both cvs and 2.2.1 installed on the same machine:
Not a huge change as kde1 -> kde2 but enough of one that i always choose my kde3 session instead of kde2.
Liberty.
i have mirrored your mirror here
enjoy
No advanced windowing system should be without circular windows.
I want a circular terminal window with the cursor in the middle. As you typed, words would travel along a spiral that grew towards the edge. Scrolling back would be a simple matter of inserting a key into the middle and unwinding.
there's more than one way to do me.
Looking good is nice. Too bad these environments get it backwards and always focus on form over function first. I'd rather have OS/2's wps on linux updated to be pretty. IBM was smart and actually got the SOM and DSOM and OOI stuff nailed down properly early. Now, if we had that environment to build on, we could make it prettier. Oh well. Windowmaker and ROX do a very nice job for me for now.
XFree86 supports the SHAPE extension. Have you never tried the round clock, or XEyes? Or any of the fancy-ass skinnable MP3 players? X has had support for that for many years. It has nothing to do with KDE.
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YES!!
I'm glad I'm not the only person who has thought of this! There are many times I have wished I could change the shape of my windows so that I could make better use of my screen real-estate. I'm sure it is possible to do this in a WindowManager (but I certainly haven't tried!). The hard part would be figuring out the best way to scroll around an odd-shaped window.
I'd be happy with just triangles, even. The ability to move up just a corner of a window, bottom right on one, top left on the other would be wonderful!
How about windows whose sides are elastic, like rubber bands, that you could move over to briefly see something beneath that part of the window, and then automatically snap back on mouse release?
With freeform windows you could also make much better use of your screen, making windows shaped to their content so that others can have more room without hiding anything.
I never used Gnome except to check it out. I was a regular Enlightenment user until KDE2 and Konqueror came out. I then switched to KDE on all but one really slow machine that didn't really need the KDE functionality anyway (it's an old laptop, so if I'm home on the network I can run all my KDE apps just as fast by logging into the faster machine and having X serve them on the laptop-- try that on your consumer grade Windows machines!).
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Maybe they are lucky (or not) that it is in about the same timeframe as going from gcc2 to gcc3. All c++ binaries will be broken with or without qt2/qt3 in most major distro's.
No that's not luck. That was a major reason why the desicion was made to move to Qt3 so quickly. This was heavily discussed about 4 months back and finally decided to timeframe the release with g++ 3.1 (because the minor release of g++ will break BC again).
Don't put it pass the KDE team to coordinate efforts with other projects.
It's a KIO plugin. If you use it to look at an audio CD, it presents it as a bunch of wavs, openable by any KDE program that cares too. It also creates virtual directories of oggs and mp3s. If you cd to it, and copy a file from it, it rips and encodes the track on the fly. Naming comes via CDDB. Cool eh? Way easier to sue than any other "ripper" I've ever seen.
I wish the KDE people published more binaries during the development, nightly or weekly builds or something. Compiling all the stuff takes several days, and it's usually hellishly difficult to get through compilations successfully.
SuSE seems to have published a limited 3.0.0 beta1 binaries, but I haven't found them for RH nor Mandrake. Well, RH takes usually a long time to publish even the release versions.
At one time, I participated in some minor KDE development, but it was somewhat bothersome that I could rarely get even kdelibs compiled easily. It made development a bit difficult sometimes.
KDE is just so damn big, and the libs change just too much all the time.
Nope, they're "virtual". If you've got the LAME stuff installed, you should also get a virtual mp3 direcggtory also. If you want to 'rip' a track, then, you switch to, say, the ogg virtual directory and just drag the file to where you want it as if it was real, and KDE Ogg-encodes it on-the-fly and puts it where you dropped it.
Only used it once or twice to try it out, but it's pretty spiffy...
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You can always use X11 in Cygwin. To pretty-up and make more useful normal windoze, you can buy a copy of stardock's windowblinds. These guys started out by customizing OS/2's wps (which was easy for them since all they needed to do was extend the OO stuff that already existed). They started their windows product to do the same things, and it took them a bit longer, but they came up with basically what was once oject desktop on OS/2 and more.
Windowblinds
eh, "sue" shoulda been "use". What's funny is that it works either way!
Boy, talk about Freudian slips... :-)
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Can u give us an example of where a triangle window would be of _any_ use other than a visual curiosity?
Giving an Amway sales pitch?
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I'm slowly pushing my users towards KDE2, but it kinda hurts that they can't browse the Winblows network under Konqueror. At one point there was a KIOslave that spoke SMB, but it got removed for some reason.
Do you know offhand whether it's back in KDE3?
(And before anyone jumps on me: no, I can't use smbmount (Linux only), and no, I can't use the workarounds from the public KIOslaves repository (Linux only)). But thanks.)
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Maybe it's just me, but KDE sure looks a lot like Windows.
Have you ever seen Windows? Have you ever used KDE? Comparing KDE to Windows is like comparing kumquaats to mangoes. I mean, sheesh, it's another fruit. Can't they do anything original? Here I am tired of kumquaat tarts and what's my alternative? Mangoes! I want something different. How about dead rats?
Most of the features of windows are copied verbatim (ie. taskbar, "start" button, same keyboard shortcuts).
taskbar: GNOME has a taskbar. IceWM has a taskbar. Even MacOSX has a taskbar. Kicker is different though. You get icons (launchers, menus, special), desktop switcher, tasks, applets, etc. You can make it growable. You can even choose not to run it at all (try that with winblowz).
"start" button: Ever see that funny footprint in GNOME? It's called a root menu. Every usable environment has a root menu. Sometimes this root menu is on the RMB on the root window, and sometimes it's on a panel. If you don't like it on the panel, remove it and remap it to the RMB.
keyboard shortcuts: If you don't like them, change them. Use the CDE shortcuts instead, or create your own. The last thing KDE needs is to create a whole new standard. I've been using these exact same shortcuts since OS/2 Warp, and I have absolutely no desire to learn a new set everytime I try a new windowmanager or desktop.
However, it would be nice to see something a little bit more revolutionary in it's design instead of rehashing the same old crap.
The WIMP interface is "windows, icons, menus, pointers." Okay, here's revolutionary: round windows, replace all text menus with animated images, replace all icons with new and improved keyboard shortcuts. We'll get rid of the mouse altogether and make everyone buy a touch screen.
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I'm sure with the slightest bit of coding skill and a bunch of patience, Qt and KDE would compile under the Cygwin/XFree86 environment.
:)
I tried the Cygwin/XFree86 thing on my girlfriend's Windows box, and was quickly up and running with a full-screen X Window session, so I could VPN to work and export my XEmacs client from my workstation to the Windows box's display.
I haven't tried compiling anything with it, but the UNIX compatibility headers are all there as well as GCC. All the X headers also seemed to come with the cygwin XFree86 distribution.
Check out this user's guide for an excellent step-by-step document (with pictures!) of how to get the Cygwin/XFree86 environment running. After that just try to run configure then make in the QT source tree and see what happens
Good luck!
I like the fact that there is a solution (KDE) that replicates Windows functionality. It makes it easier for the transition from Windows to Linux. Given, not many people will every use that, but it could ease the tenstion of, say, a windows developer to linux.
However, I don't use KDE and I don't like KDE because of this. I would rather use WindowMaker or Enlightenment or just plain sawfish. We, as the linux community, need a way to ease people to linux for the unwashed Windows masses.... but we aslo need "hacker" frineldy, interesting, fun, alternate interfaces for the Rest Of Us that want to experiement.
I think the cool part of linux is this ability to be both conservative (KDE) and fantastic (E17... once it is out).
So all you people dissin on KDE stop it. It is now what YOU want, but who cares? the whole ponit is CHOICE.
Now, given, it would be nice if choice also meant working TOGETHER instead of bashing each other, as is the norm of KDE and Gnome....
That by itself says a lot about how mature KDE has become.
Exactly! now they need to concentrate on other stuff - notably on reducing the learning curve for new (i.e. - Windows) users. Right now, you can't *just* deploy a Linux PC to a former Windows user.
I suggest a minimal, 'less is more' approach. It would be nice to have an 'interface' button that would be common to all KDE (or even all open source desktops) that users could use to change the look and feel of things. Former Windows users could use a 'Windows' preset that would bring the learning curve up to par for these people. A standard set of 'beginner' through 'advanced' would also be nice followed, of course, by customizable and downloadable versions. Sorta like skinning the whole GUI.
Now if they could just come up with a standard, easy to use installation utility, then Linux might be viable for the mainstream desktop. Hell - I saw someone who bought a Mac the other day because they just wanted to "surf the web". Now I don't think that this is any worse than buying a Windows based PC, but they could have paid much less if they did and still retained the functionality desired. The bottom line is that I don't like Windows or Mac but I would be hesitant to recommend Linux to this kind of person.
Sigh...
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Personally I am glad that Gnome and KDE are "borrowing" tried and true methods. If the people posting on this topic were left to "innovate" an interface we would almost certainly end up with a Windowing system that consisted entirely of round and triangle shaped Windows with pornographic themes. This interface would, of course, be voice enabled, but it would only accept commands in Klingon. Gnome hackers would be working on a patch that would also allow you to use High Elvish.
It would look cool, but it would be counter-intuitive as vi and as straightforward to learn as Emacs. Every time that Slashdot had a new story it would flash a painful succession of colors.
Personally I tend to use minimalist window managers. The eye candy only gets in my way. On the other hand, both KDE and Gnome should be commended for building a component platform that brings Unix desktop development to the next level. That's the truly interesting stuff. The fact that it looks like Windows is immaterial. The really important fact is that it is becoming possible to script together applications from ready built components (like Windows, except without the myriad downsides).
I personally don't care if KDE looks like GNOME, OSX, Windows or whatever. The fact is that people can sit down and actually use it. It helps get alternative OS's [FreeBSD & Linux and others] on the desktops of laymen.
It also has one hell of a cool API if you want to write apps for it and now with language bindings for Java, C and Objective C [Perl? I think] its becoming a better toolkit/framework for application development.
If you don't like it cuz it looks like windows:
1) You must really have a chip on your shoulder about windows.
2) You just want something original.
Perhaps in KDE's future an ultra configurable Window Manager can be setup to do what YOU want. If there is enough interest it will happen.
As far as I am concerned I used IceWM and other Win95 looking Window Managers when I first started with linux to help break me in. I can see the need for more or at least different look and feel. WindowMaker is an excellent example but that is a NeXT "ripoff" if you want to call it that.
Personally I loved the 1.X series as the application bar/switcher was seperated from the menus/menu-ing system.
:) ) and application switcher on the bottom (I suppose why I never saw the fuss about the dock in OS X) that would even *switch* between apps on different desktops! Cool.
You could have menues and virtual desktop's buttons on the top (as it should be
Now the "K" bar (or whatever it is called, I forget) is so damn crowded and the move to 2.X or so took the ability to seperate the app switcher bar from the "K" bar... major suckage and I switched to Gnome/sawfish and wanted to go back for that simple functionality.
Did it ever reappear? I'd consider going back to KDE for its visual appeal and added abilities, but the loss of that one function was enough to make me defect.
Oh, and someone asked about the "OS X-ness" being noticed...yes.
I'd venture to call it KDEOSXXP 3.0.
Rounded buttons of Aqua, flat brite menus of XP.
Also, I a not an interface designer, but for some odd reason I want/need/wish for would be to have the max/min button on the left (a la Aqua) and the close button/box on the right of a window (a la windows/KDE).
Maybe this just makes sense to me, dunno.
If it is not on fire, it is a software problem.
The screenshots presented for KDE 3 aren't the most visually stunning in the world, I agree.
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If you like OS X, you might like KDE's
Liquid widget theme
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
Also nice is the QNix widget style
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
... and kwin is already very themable. You can use any IceWM themes, and kbox (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content
Very few people seem to be providing themes that mimic Gnome ones: perhaps people actually prefer KDE's icons over Gnome's (I know I do). The path is open for someone to create a Gnome icon theme for KDE, if they want to. There are people working to improve KDE's icons, however, as in the iKons theme:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?fil
[pardon the spaces in the links -- ready mangled by Slashdot]
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Does anyone know if KDE will support the Resize and Rotate extension of Xfree86 4.10 or later?
Its another piece of Keith Packard niftiness that (among other things) allows the X server to notify the toor window and window manager when the resolution changes.
This is mainly used to be provide desktops which keep in sync with the display resolution - i.e, so when you change the screen res, you don't have to pan around an oversized desktop.
Anyone know if theres KDE3 support?
The latest versions of Freetype remove a Apple patented method of hinting, which changes the shape of characters to better match the pixels they are displayed on (ensuring that the arms of your `m' character aren't pushed together, for example, despite that at very small resolutions they might render this way).
Most of the recent KDE2 packages are compiled against the newer freetype, whose output is of slightly inferior quality due to the removal of the code for patented hinting method.
Your link says that Netscape 4 does support PNG, but not PNG transparency.
Transparency is probably not a significant issue for screenshots.
Not sure, but probably not.
I beleive, in fact, that in E17, support for KDE/GNOME are gone. This is because E17's aim is to be a "desktop shell".
>The /single/ thing that keeps me from running kde is that cruddy excuse for a WM they /force/ you to use.
:-).
/only/ advantage of GNOME is the
Not true, KDE's hints support come from NETWM, which is used by KDE 2.x and GNOME 1.4. Any NETWM complient window manager works with KDE 2.x and GNOME 1.4. So far, the only NETWM compliant window managers (that I know of) are kwin, sawfish, and blackbox. WindowMaker's next release should also add support.
> They (trolltech) hired the author of
blackbox, which is a good WM, and I hoped some of his wisdom might flow down to the KDE team... but alas, no sign of that yet.
Kwin is a minimal (like Blackbox), but very extensible window manager. I wrote kbox, which lets you use blackbox styles in kwin. I can tell you that in fact, much of the vector gradient code in Blackbox actually orignated in KDE. Also, some of Brad Hughes (author of Blackbox) "wisdom" would naturally flow down to KDE because he wrote the Qt3 style engine
> KDE developers, please
take note: The
fact that you can choose your own window manager.
Again, I say, you can use any NetWM compliant window manager with KDE 2.x. Kwin is to KDE as Sawfish is to GNOME. It's just the default.
Thanks, I wrote it :D
Adding windowblinds support for the next release.
From what I heard about a year ago, the E developers decided to make E17 self-sufficient. That said, E17 developement has /seemed/ to slow down a lot, so I'm not sure what they said a year ago is still pertinant now.
Your monotheistic religions are fucking stupid.
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BTW, I really like your work on kbox!
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> WindowBlinds? Isn't that illegal? I think all their themes say you can't use them without WindowBlinds in their license agreements.
.ini files (rfc 822-like).
:-) but the KDE project itself has to.
Possibly for those themes included with the base package, but I'm not sure since I've never used WindowBlinds or even downloaded their package. However, with third party themes, using that logic is shakey at best. Most of the third party themes don't even have any:
1). kind of license
2). disclaimers
I've encountered a few WindowBlinds themes which say "For use with WindowBlinds 2.x". This isn't much of a legal disclaimer tho.
Anyways, the format of windowblinds themes themselves, is much less complicated than they say in their website (they claim that they "invented" uis1, uis2, uis3, as languages). In fact, they are simply
And I doubt that they would approach anything legally anyways. This doesn't really compete with WindowBlinds. If they wanted to make a closed source WindowBlinds for X11 for pay, I'm sure people wouldn't pay for shit like that.
> Not that we care about such things (
I understand the possible legal concerns, and that's why it's not in the base KDE distributions. Maybe the blackbox portions will eventually be, but probably not in KDE 3.0 (with the freeze and all).
One of the things that I don't like about KDE2 (and what looks to still be a problem in KDE3) is that the Kicker Panel is still not quite extensible enough. I know that you can do all kinds of cool things with it.. but just try moving it around the screen, away from an edge. Try dynamically changing menu items around in the K menu. Things that Windows users have taken for granted for 2 or 3 years are still completely missing. I hope they address these issues soon.
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Follow the anon coward's advice. It works.
Take a look at this for an example.
The main reason I switched from GNOME to KDE (back in KDE 2.1 and just when GNOME 1.4 came out), was that KDE has a much better architecture and API (and I've done both GNOME and KDE programming). Now, GNOME 2.0 may catchup quite a bit, but KDE is not standing still. It is a good to see two desktop environments competeting.
I like to use Netscape 4.77 for weg dev because its NOT as forgiving as some other browsers, and not supporting transpency in PNG just kills it for a lot of web stuff.
The new KDE looks good, keep the monkey boys feet to the fire and we'll all gain, nothing like competion to keep everybody sharp
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I believe the ABI for the compiler proper doesn't change (on most architechtures), but the ABI for the library *does*. The library was a total rerite, getiing it right at the first attempt was probably too much to hope for.
Yes!
Pat yourself on the back. You're the first person to notice. (Or at least the first person to say anything about it.)
- Rev.If only there were things like "movable windows" or "window shading" available in KDE now... ;)
I suppose that it would be kinda nice to trim off the sides of windows temporarily, though, like when reading data from an irregular image or something. Since most data tends to lend itself to rectangular representation, though, I can't see it been useful very often.
Win'95 had (and 9x has) "region window" support. The power toys kit had a round clock included.e nts/WUToys/W95PwrToysSet/Default.asp
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http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/cont
says that you need OSR2, which was '95a with the plus pack and new IE. I don't have a '95a install to test with, though, so I can't be sure. Oh well.
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Well, except for "totally radical", both KDE and GNOME meet all of your requirements.
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KDE was usable and functional long before GNOME was of any use whatsoever. IT's been ahead of the curve the whole time.
GNOME is great... but I find KDE more polished.