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NiP Wins Counter-Strike CPL
raskolnik writes: "Ninjas in Pyjamas beat out Xtreme3 in a *very* close series of matches to win the $50,000 purse at the CPL today. Coverage is on ShackES and Domain of Games. Congrats to both clans!" $50,000 isn't quite a NASCAR purse, but nothing to sneeze at. When will this be on ESPN?
Death to Israel.
Zionism is Racism.
tomorrow is the day, i guess.
maybe the day after.
I'd eat it.
Though at least unlike nascar real people aren't dieing. Nascar made more money on Dale Earnhart's death than they did his entire life.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
...that Sumo is broadcast on ESPN, live.
"Sport" is in the mind of the beholder. or It's all subjective anyway. Or something anyway.
The South Koreans have been "playing computer games" for money for years.
Bob-
The Ludwig von Mises Institute. The reasoning individuals economics
And the uptime shows no signs of crashing...i crosoft.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=tide01.m
What? WTF is NiP? WTF is CPL?
I don't know about any of you, but this story is the most pointless one I've seen in days. I'm going to go do something else.. someone yell if anything that doesn't suck happens. Or, if she's a good-looking blonde, yell if something does suck.. ;)
They must have won extra points for the name.
come on salshdot eeditors. i posted a sotry bout this guy woh would get laid if his website got 111 million or so he would get laid with his girlfriend. so go to his site right here you mutha fuckers and help this guy get laid. tere are stories on the register and on ananova
When will this be on ESPN?
As soon as there are judges, and those judges can be bribed... and there's a special on the judges being bribed on abc, nbc, cbs, and any other major network... then and only then will it be a sport good enough for ESPN to carry it...
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Programming is like sex... Make one mistake and support it the rest of your life.
Screw that, I'm going to go buy a copy of half-life...
I have to give it to X3...They won some close OT games, and came back from the losers bracket to almost win this thing. In fact, they were a mere second or two from forcing this game into overtime when the man they had defusing the bomb got killed. The only game that was possibly better than the championship game was possibly WEW's crazy comeback.
That said, I don't think that computer games are going to be on ESPN anytime soon, although it's interesting to note that the championships of online games do tend to nearly always be very close and the best games of the tourney. You can always expect a very good championship game, and it's round-like nature makes for some very suspenseful moments during the match. Hats off to both teams.
Mike
The important question was, do these ninjas eat pancakes? I have no respect for any ninja that does not eat pancakes, for pancakes are the staple of the proper ninja diet. The rest of us will have to suffice with hot grits (down our pants, no less).
ESPN2 broadcasted a Magic the Gathering Tournament a while back. CS is more of a sport than that. But what exactly is a sport these days?
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But they won't think of that, will they.
Yea, right.
The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination
- Douglas Adams
It'll be on ESPN approximately...never.
There's a ton of issues with online gaming that will relegate it to niche status at best for the foreseeable future.
One of the biggest issues is that the game of choice changes too often due to progressing technology -- compare this to baseball (or even newer sports) where the rules and gameplay remain relatively the same..In the gaming world, the game of choice changes about once every year, or two years at the most. This causes a few problems, one is that it is very confusing to spectators who don't play these games themselves and two is that it limits the options for having 'star players' ala basketball, etc.. Today's top CS players aren't likely to be the top players of tomorrow's game-of-choice. Very few 'pro level' game players dominate in more than one game, as the short history of this activity has shown.
Secondly, gaming just doesn't have much potential as a mainstream spectator sport. Sure, people that play these games all the time might appreciate the skill involved in winning the top gaming tournaments, but to people who don't play these games, they have no basis for understanding this skill. In traditional sports they can still be impressed by the human factors involved -- eg. "wow that guy jumps real high", or "wow that guy runs real fast". When it comes to gaming, there's no context for them to make any relationship like that unless they game quite a lot themselves, thus the spectator potential is very limited.
NASCAR is crap...turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left, go fast, turn left.
Long live F1 racing! Where you do more then just turn left.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Well, that's just great.
Perhaps an easy way to get videogaming into the mainstream media is to have more frequent, local tournaments that are actually advertised. A few massive LANs would be great for tournaments too(They don't call me Kronik Gamer for nothing). Someone needs to set up a website dedicated to setting up these kinds of tournaments, and then advertise to the many gaming websites on the net. That would be a good start!
while it will probably never reach the fame and prestige of outdoor sports, I am amazed every time how skilled some people are at playing video games. I saw gameplay and skill a large cut above what I have ever seen at a lan or over the internet. too bad all the hltv servers broadcasting the matches kept crashing.... maybe they shouldnt have run them on windows boxen heh.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
First, when the largest technical site has over half the people not knowing whats going on, (and me a former super-gamer), there's no way this will make espn. Maybe a real game like UT
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
...Slashdot makes it clear English is no longer the dominant language on the net. Honestly, do the editors here have no concept at all of making their stories comprehensible to people who can't read their bloody minds???
ESPN? Oh come on, we all know that ESPN2 is where all the cool stuff like the X-games is!
What I'm really waiting for is one of those Discovery Channel specials (complete with British narrator) about the tactics employed where they dissect every little movement like the battles of WWII.
Unfortunately, I was pathetic enough to click on this thread to see what the heck it was about and I still don't know...
Shut up and eat your vegetables!!!
This would be cool :)
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:)
I just had a LAN party 2 nights ago and spent the whole day and night have CS battles... damn its a cool game but its really hard, I got my ass fragged alot.
I found the best way was sometimes just to grab a shotgun with a kevlar vest and helmet and just go out there and do it all "Chow yun Fat style"
Worked as I scored 3 kills in 1 min
As I said, this will be a final and permanent end to our people in America. There will be no recovery once it has happened. At the same time this is going on in the USA, you will find that it is also happening in Germany, England and all of the great European nations. While Africa, Asia and South America are left to continue as they always have, reproducing their people, there is no land today where the White race is being left to itself to be able to perpetuate the race. It does not take very much imagination to see where this will end.
If you read the coverage on Domain Of Games it talks about stealing the internals of a guys computer and ripping the transistors off his motherboard to wreck it. All because he confessed to cheating a few years earlier.
Not the sort of people I would like to hang around with. Can anyone say immature?
"Do you think we could wipe out world hunger forever if scientists figured out how to make AOL's Free CD's edible?"-
I was on the shack www.shacknews.com (parent of www.shackes.com) when it came to a screeching halt...just checked and and see why.. damn you slashdot! Damn you to hell!
I was in Korea from Sept 7-14 (what a GREAT time to be travelling.... oy) and the wierdest/coolest thing I saw while I was there was a TV channel dedicated to competetive game playing.
While I was there, I saw Tribes 2, Starcraft, what looked like Street Fighter (insert version here), Ghost Recon, Counterstrike, and several other games I didn't recognize at all.
The other day I was watching TV and they had all kinds of shit! The NBA, GPA, NFL, MLB, shit I can't even remember all teh other crazy ass names. The whole world must be run by these pasty little nerd boys!! Forget my pants, who ate my sarcasm sign?
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
For the uninitiated, CPL stands for Cyberathelete Professional League. This story is about the recent competition (indeed, world championship) for the uber popular Half-Life modification, CounterStrike.
I know more than you drink.
Curious... $50k for the winner and the follow-up teams get a good chunk of change. Where does the $ come from? Bake sales?
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
Point in fact people, this CPL tournament WAS covered by ESPN.
Let me just say that you will have the full support of ArchieBunker to make sure the white race is the biggest. Anyone else who would like to partcipate, please send me your young hot female family members. Thank you.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I shove my radioactive BFG10k up all your arses and pull the trigger. How you gunna counter-strike that one? Enjoy.
... posting since /. broke my webserver ...
/. link. Getting that poor thing to respond at all would just be futile...
Well, I've got ShackES/Shacknews (I own the pages) running on a temporary server that couldnt quite handle any additional traffic, much less a
But, if ShackES was actually working you would see that the event was featured on CNN Headline News for a live 3+ minute interview and ESPN and several local TV stations were there at the event.
Once ShackES/Shacknews are up and running again (probably late tonight?) there are links to a video stream of the CNN interview and info on the ESPN etc coverage that was there.
Also btw, WCG also went on this weekend, they spread out about $250,000 in cash for their tournament, CPL did $150,000 cash and another $100,000 in prizes (including a car).
Half a million worth of prizes going out to people playing computer games in one weekend, cant say I would have expected that one.
-Steve Gibson
Shacknews.com
A sport has to require athletic ability and no, a overcaffeinated twitch is not athletic ability.
A sport has to have a significant chance of serious injury and no, joystic cramp is not a serious injury.
If overweight middle-aged white guys or uncoordinated adolescent geeks can be "world class" it's not a sport. (Good bye golf =and= car racing!)
Anything done to music is, at best, a performing art and not a sport. (That's right, figure skating, ballroom dancing and and synchronized swimming aren't sports.)
What's next, is the international tiddly winks federation going to demand coverage on ESPN?
Some things are just activities.
Go Steve!
I never knew you had an account on here =)
I think there is a small, but large enough, market to make presenting this feasable. Hopefully ESPN2 will find a way to package it properly and get it on the air.
When I'm coming out of wall mart will he try a scam like this shifty nigger did. First he wanted me to give him a ride because he lived like 5 minutes away. Right I don't ride anyone who randomly asks me much less some negro. Then he wants $2 for the bus because he lives in _______ which is like 30 miles away. Get your scam straight you dumb nigger. I made up some shit about being on my break and drove the fuck off.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
He has a low UID too. Not surprising. =)
I demand the return of my shack dammit!
Pickle.
Alright, for all of you who seem pretty uneducated about the Cyberathletes Professional League [thecpl.com] I'll try to fill you in. The CPL was formed several years ago (right around when StarCraft was the hottest game on everybody's list).
Generally there are several tournament's a year (one in the winter, one in the summer). This past event is held in Texas where some other tournaments are held as well (QuakeCon for one). Each CPL tournament has a featured game. This tournament's game was Counter-Strike.
The event hosts a Bring Your Own Computer Area, (for those who want to frag all through the night) as well as workshops, (HardOCP had one this year on overclocking) prize raffles/giveaways, and of course the tournaments.
This year there was also an Alien vs. Predator 2 Deathmatch tourney going on too. (Fatality of Quake3Arena fame wiped the floor with everyone and won a Ford Focus with a custom AVP2 paintjob) See Adrenaline Vault and TheCPL for photos.
The CStrike tourney was a 5 on 5 clan competition and players from all over the world come to compete in it. The prize money for the tournament totals to some $150,000 dollars and comes almost entirely from Sponsors. The fees that they charge for admission into the tournament go mostly to cover the expenses of the hotel, setup, etc. And while a $50,000 US purse may sound like a lot, after it gets divided 5 ways to $10,000 minus the cost of Food and Board and Airfare (When applicable) you might be a little bit surprised when you don't have as much money as you thought you had. And that really only applies to the winner! There are tons of people who come a long way and don't even make it into the top 100. But if the money were all the tournament was about then I think a lot of people wouldn't even bother going to one of these events. The tournament is mostly about having fun and working on becoming better at Video Games (LAN differs quite a bit from Online play).
One of the most amazing things about this tournament was the ability for Counter-Strike enthusiasts to be able to watch the Tournament on the internet with Half-Life. By joining a specially designed server, up to 80,000 people could have watched the final round (there were only 40 of 128 slots filled on the server I was on)
here's some info:
Speakeasy.net, Valve Software Launch 11 City Half-Life TV Network First-ever PC Game Broadcast Network built to support 80,000 Simultaneous Viewers Seattle - Broadband ISP Speakeasy.net and Kirkland based game developer Valve Software announced today the first ever launch of a fully national broadcast network of live video game coverage. The inaugural use of this network will give tens of thousands of viewers from around the world the best-possible spectator experience for the $150,000 Counter-Strike World Championships this week in Dallas, TX. The World Championships represent the largest of such competitions ever and is produced by the Dallas-based Cyberathlete Professional League. Speakeasy has partnered with Valve Software to support the largest broadcast installation ever using Valve's Half-Life TV server software. The software allows for anyone with a broadband connection and PC to connect to a live game and watch their favorite teams play as if they were playing along side them. Teams from Seattle to Sweden are flying in to compete in the four-day event; thousands more will stay home and watch the competition unfold live on the Speakeasy Network.
"Broadcasting the CPL finals to 80,000 viewers is an incredible achievement and a huge advance in our efforts to bring competitive gaming, and gaming in general, further into the mainstream," said Doug Lombardi, director of marketing at Valve. Spectators will be able to tune in to a live broadcast of the match simply by using their PC and installation of Half-Life, and will have the option of 11 different locations to choose from to guarantee the best experience.
"We have customers that are running cable from their PC to a large screen TV just to watch this," said Edward Bender, Director of Online Gaming for Speakeasy.net. "I think this event will definitely get more people to recognize competitive gaming as a spectator sport." Counter-Strike, the number one online action game in the world, is a team-based multiplayer game built atop Valve's award-winning game engine. Valve released the multicast spectator technology (aka Half-Life TV) as a free update earlier this year.
Read about how to use HLTV @- http://www.cs-extreme.net/guides/HLTV/HLTV.asp
I think we're not at the stage yet where this should be considered Professional Gaming. I don't think anyone can make a true living off of winnings from the CPL. Maybe someday it will reach that point, and this is a great step to getting there. Sorry for the long post! Hope it helped some of you learn about professional gaming.
There's a lot of people who have accounts on both /. and shacknews (Like myself or the infamous klerck).
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Not surprising at all
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Say your prayers little one
don't forget, my son
to include everyone
tuck you in, warm within
keep you free from sin
till the sandman he comes
sleep with one eye open
gripping your pillow tight
exit light
enter night
take my hand
off to never never land
something's wrong, shut the light
heavy thoughts tonight
and they aren't of snow white
dreams of war, dreams of liars
dreams of dragon's fire
and of things that will bite
sleep with one eye open
gripping your pillow tight
exit light
enter night
take my hand
off to never never land
now I lay me down to sleep
pray the lord my soul to keep
if I die before I wake
pray the lord my soul to take
hush little baby, don't say a word
and never mind that noise you heard
it's just the beast under your bed,
in your closet, in your head
exit light
enter night
grain of sand
exit light
enter night
take my hand
we're off to never never land
More and more people are beginning to see that professional computer gaming is a real sport. The event in Dallas over this weekend (which I did not attend mind you -- it doesent pay quite well enough for me to practice months for (YET!!)), was huge. Over 50,000 people spectated the event over HLTV (Watch the game being played LIVE on your screen -- a very cool technology). The purse for the clan who won (NiP) is $50,000 split between 5 people. Not a LOT of money mind you, but remember the sport is only now being given the attention it deserves. When the NFL started, its players rarely had $10k/year salaries.
:I)
As for the ESPN part, ESPN along with other major news companies were at the event, cameras in hand, reporters in front of them.
Also Angel Munoz, the CPL event organizer for this event, was interviewed by CNN. Find it here (wmv format
More CPL Media Info
Major companies sponsoring the event are Intel, Logitech, and more. People are throwing some serious money and effort towards the sport.
And No, I dont work for the CPL, nor do I agree with everything they decide to say or do, however I am a strong advocate to seeing professional gaming being presented as a sport. It takes more talent than football, baseball, etc. It really is in the same league competitively, just not financially and commercially yet.
I can't imagine you couldn't get a larger audience to watch a CS championship match than you could to get a bunch of weird-looking home-schooled kids with lisps trying to spell "mellifluous".
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Having a low UID just shows you were on /. when it was still cool. Now it means about the same as karma... zlich. (I migrated myself over to the shack, and have ignored this account mostly).
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Humbily awaiting the return of the shack...
Price, Quality, Time. Pick none. What, you thought you had a choice?
I go and find a much more suitable news site, and now you go and slashdot it. I guess that's the thanks I get from the elitist nerdy schmucks who think that They Might Be Giants are the best musicians around.
Therefore, since I can't stand the forum section of this website any longer, I hereby retire this account, with a karma of at least 46 (worst case, and I know that some of you pompous Slashdotters with mod points will lunge at the negative moderations like anons at a fresh thread). As for the heartless hinds who are clicking and clicking on the ShackES link, I hope your workstation segfaults or gets a kernel panic within the next week.
Besides, Xian is more interesting than John Carmack is. At least he presents his sense of humor to us.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
I don't know what's going on, maybe it was something I ate or I didn't wipe well earlier, but my ass is STINKING today. I could smell it when I was sitting on the couch watching TV this afternoon. I guess I could take a shower, but I'm one lazy mofo. I've just been carefull not to do any scratching so my fingers don't get all stinky. Must have been something I ate - even my farts are curling the hairs in my nose. Maybe I had a fart that came with some extra, I don't know. But I haven't felt any squishing or chaffing so I don't think that's the case. All I know is that I can smell ASS - serious ass! I mean, like, public restroom ass. When I fart, the room smells like restroom ass, and I don't mean all mediciny but more like when you walk into a Wal-Mart stall. Good think I wear black underwear for days like today.
I remember when a Magic the Gathering tourney was on ESPN. While it's a lot of fun to play, the tourney was about as fun to watch as watching paint dry. I think a lot of viewer acceptance has to do with presentation. Witness Battlebots! So if the network powers that be decide to make a go of professional gaming, they better not let it look like they're on a goof. About the best thing they could do is hire a good mix of ad agents, "style" experts, and intelligent gamers to come up with a game plan (pardon the pun). Something like that should not ever be done on a shoestring. Has anyone heard anything about the new game channel?
Taco,
A filter please.
Thanks,Matthew
I find it funny to see all these people pointing and laughing at what they percieve as geeks. It is somewhat ironic considering anyone associated with a technology job these days has probably been pigeon holed that way themselves before. I find it ESPECIALLY ironic considering it says "News for nerds" up in the top lefthand corner of this site. Is this just your way of making yourself feel better about it? Just because these guys are having fun with technology doesn't make them any more geeks than you are. Just like you they come from all walks of life. Just like you they may joke about being a nerd sometimes. But Just like you they hate being seriously called geeks just because someone is too lazy to find out more about them and gets high off that sort of thing. The fact is video games have become more popular than ANY type of sport with the young people of today. EVERY new generation is growing up holding a video game controller these days. If you think that the stereotype of a gamer geek is going to apply to the people of tomorrow then you are sadly mistaken.
--James "Sling_Blade" Lewis
Domain of Games
if espn2 can show magic the gathering, why not professional counter-strike? CS is at least halfway interesting to watch
are they like the older, tougher Bananas in Pajama's that are always coming down the stairs?
I am a writer for Challenge-us.com a hardcore gamer site. Ive been gaming competetively for roughly 2 years now and yes $50k is nothing to sneeze at but it wasnt the most ever awarded. A $150k purse _WAS_ the most. (approx a year-year and half ago) This, however, was the first major Counter Strike Tourney so far and I am guessing many more to come. (None so far have matched up to this scale) While I am not a Counter Strike (CS) Player I have kept an open mind about it, even though I am a hard core quake3er and what I saw today on HLTV was amazing. The games were well played and I also like what control the spectator got in watching. Now step back and think of this... CS is a FREE MOD for HL. Yes FREE, and it gets this much attention and is this large, its just baffling that they don't have more problems then they already do.
On the net there are quite a few bots and hacks out that some of the filtering doesnt get. Its slowly being changed but from what I saw today as far as gaming and teamplay and fun I think I will be playing counter strike a bit more then I do already.
As for ESPN... their cameras WERE there and yes it will be airing sometime in a special I think. As for gaming TV... its already in the works/reality. G4 was announced by Comcast and should be available soon!!!! I will definately be ordering that channel when its available, should be interesting to see how much they cover. (Consoles to hardcore gaming I am assuming)
Joe Radkowski
aka
D|S-Syn
*NUKED*
Power to the Peaceful
Remember that - it's easy to rack up kills, when you start out shooting your teammembers.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
Your argument is great, execpt for one thing, I got to see a Magic the Gathering Tournament on ESPN2 a few years back. Never say never. Absolute statements are always wrong.
"However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."
http://www.g4media.com/
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try that. Starts in April 2002. I can't wait.
(for the lazy: it's a video game channel, hopefully they will show some of the bigger tournaments
Slackers win the north european "smackdown" quakeworld competition over L, with a 3-1 win.
http://www.challenge-eu.com/smackdown/north/
They've just ended: http://www.worldcybergames.com, held in South Korea, with competitions in Counterstrike among other games with competitors from 37 countries. I think, with a pricemoney of $300,000.- , the WCG is a more important game event than the CPL.
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
CPL is at http://www.thecpl.com)
Coverage - http://www.avault.com/events/wce/
Domain of Games - http://www.domainofgames.com/
CPL is the Cyberathlete Professional League
www.thecpl.com
Best general coverage was at the Adrenaline Vault
www.avault.com
Best detailed coverage at Domain of Games
www.domainofgames.com
A $150k purse _WAS_ the most. (approx a year-year and half ago)
What event was that?
Hey, if Hollywood can hire John Madden and Pat Summerall to overlay commentary on Keanu Reeves, I'm sure the CPL can have them lay down some phrases at the matches. Hot damn, I can just hear it...
:)
(Madden scribbling furiously on his e-chalkboard) "So you have this guy charging up the middle with his deagle, when the defender on the other sides NAILS his with his AWM. WHAP. Then you have the newbie over there at the bombsite who drops the bomb off target. Doink. Now here comes the entire NiP offense to run over the n00b. Now that's some Counter-Strike ownage."
Or it could just be me.
espn was at this tournament recording footage for airing at a later, undetermined date.
All this talkf of ESPN showing sports... do they still do that? They can show professional computer gaming, and yet more 'traditional' sports that have been around for centuries, are in the Olympic games, can't make it on air at all (fencing for example).
seems a bit scewed to me...
I'm sure eventually some high-stakes gaming competition will make it on a ESPN channel if it hasn't already. The real milestone will be when it makes SportsCenter. I remember seeing Sumo highlights on SC before, so why not CPL?
Correction :) $100k was the most given out in a 'Pro Gaming' tourney :)
n am ent
linkage:
http://www.avault.com/razercpl/index.asp?p=tour
It was a quake3 1v1 tourney, which has been the game of pro gamers for the last year-year and half till Counter Strike Became the game of the CPL. I was thinking of $150k because the CPL announced last year that there would be a quake3 1v1 $150k tourney in december as their 'big thing' but around march they backed out of that statement and started the switch to CS.
Joe