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Jager writes: "You can download the new starwars trailer here. Enjoy." Seemed to me as if Lucas was worried about the "love story" emphasis in the previous teasers, and wanted to make sure people knew there would be plenty of zapping and slashing.
I don't know how it works at any other download sites, but if you go to www.starwars.com it won't let you download the hi-res version without Quicktime Pro. What gives? I want my free, bandwidth-consuming movie trailers, and I don't want to pay for them!
Hey, this was from the other thread, and the new trailor is up there. Nice Compression.
http://node2.callihq.net/
Someone from the earlier thread posted a nice Divx 5 version of the trailer at 640 x 480 resolution. Check it out here.
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Admiral: Slashdot? You're belief in that ancient religion hasn't help you conjure up that Episode 2 trailer.
Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing, Admiral.
*Admiral chokes under weight of a full frontal Slashdotting.*
I have to admit, Im impressed. We took down Apple.
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Looks like they are blocking the referral downloads from Slashdot.org.
Gee. I wonder why that is?
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Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
On the previous post about the trailer airing on Fox, many people said that they do not like the direction that Star Wars is taking. Although I agree with most of what these people say, some went as far as saying not to spend 10 dollars at the theatre to see it, but rather wait until rental time.
To those people who do not think this movie will be worth seeing, reconsider -- the visual effects in Phantom Menace did not disappoint, and from the looks of it, this movie will be just as nice with the CGI. As a fan of CGI, I was very happy with the pod race scene on a 40 foot screen, and I think I'll get my money's worth seeing the new movie when it comes out at theatres.
If you've read this far, you probably agree with me.
All the CGI looks like anime or something.
It doesn't look real. Something about the models, miniture sets and mock-ups of Hoth and other planets in the first three movies had a texture to them that made them more believeable. Also the camera didn't fly all over the place constantly.
Looks like another pod race type scene (a big CGI jack off session that has nothing to contribute to a story) and a lot more characters that you won't care about (but hey, if Lucas throws 300 new characters in he can sell figures of them all to people that have to buy every single one.
This crap almost makes you feel like becoming a Trekkie (shudder). At least they come up with an interesting story and leave the visuals as a compliment to it.
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Crap, I got 1/2 the trailer at the end of malcolm, the other 1/2 in the beginning of the Xfiles ... so I can't watch it all at once ... ARGH!
To go to the trailor site, simple solution:
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Cut and paste the link into your browser
(Don't click on the link as it detects the referer address and it will block you.)
http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/clone_war/index.h
Dave
They apparently don't want people linked directly too it so they banned anything with certain referer fields (like slashdot).
Follow the URL, copy it from the location bar, go to some other site, then paste it back in. That should take care of it.
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Excellent point -- personally, I enjoyed Final Fantasy quite a bit. However, I'm a huge fan of the series, so I understood the underlying Gia themes. (It crops up several times throughout the series.)
The problem that Final Fantasy encountered was bringing an anime-esque film to the mainstream audience.
102 Posts saying the link is dead /. effect
101 Posts reposting the original link
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4 Posts that rip-off yoda there be only
13 Posts that post a new link, also dead
12 Posts that declare that link dead
41 Posts declaring that the trailer sucked, but that they'll see the movie anyway
17 Posts declaring that the trailer sucked, but that they'll rent it
2 Posts declaring that Star Wars is dead
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So they show the trailer on Fox and then tell you to see "Ice Age" in order to see the theatrical version of the trailer...wow. A trailer for a trailer, with an inline hype for another picture. Wonder if the actual movie is that creative... rj
Right. It's nothing personal against slashdot, Apple just blocked any site pointing directly to the trailer. They've done this before -- and hey, they want to advertise, right? Nobody seems to have posted this yet, but you can just go to Apple's trailers site and click on the obvious graphic.
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Quicktime pro is required to view the hi=res trailer, that's what people are complaining about, not the silly nag screens.
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There's so many odd tensions inherent in seeing the latest Lucas movie/product that it's tough to sort them all out...
- Lucas's movies from the 70's are the primary reason (debatably equal with Spielberg's movies) for the "blockbuster-centric" state of the movie industry today. (i.e. opening weekend-oriented, with receipts fading fast even for popular films, therefore "hyper-able" films with a fast return get the most attention). ergo, supporting a new Lucas film is consistent _not only_ with generally supporting the MPAA, but also with supporting the "big (and not necessarily smart, therefore often stupid) movies advertised with big $$" business model which the major studios are so slavishly following.
(hey! lucas started a tsunami of crap! he's indirectly responsible for tomb raider! lucas is bad!)
- OTOH, Lucas is in the ultra-elite group of filmmakers who is beholden to _none_ of the movie studios (i.e. MPAA). He doesn't _have_ to create "big blockbusters", this is the kind of movie he _wants_ to make. Lucas even has the clout to create his own distribution company (in addition to Lucasfilm's production end), ala the Spielberg/Geffen/Katzenberg Dreamworks, were he interested.
(hmm... lucas is powerful! but independent... therefore good?)
- Lucas has, in fact, been using his clout to push digital production _and_ display techniques (which would be going faster were it not for distributor/theater overgrowth and mismanagement... which is a side result of the "blockbuster mentality, but I digress...). Aesthetic questions of "digital film" aside), these techniques can dramtically lower distribution costs while increasing theater flexibility, and thereby create new opportunities for distribution and showing of "non-blockbuster" films (independent or otherwise low(er) budget)...
(yay! Lucas is good! he's undoing what he hath wrought! and doing cool digitial stuff! Lucas is good!)
- Lucas's narratives tend to reflect a rather benevolently feudal/fascist view of the world, in which an elite group (Jedi) rules over/provides protection to the general classes; he has furthermore stated his preference for "benevolent dictator" style organization for his businesses (Lucasfilm/ILM/etc.), as well as indicating that his films are very specifically his own (versus "for the fans")... this idealized feudalism is further reflected in his deity-like relationship with his (legions of) fans. i.e. Lucas' s "independent" streak is very much a part of a tendency towards complete control over his work.
(boo! Lucas is anti-democratic... but he's an artist, so it's OK... but he does this in business, too... and see how he treats his fans... but we love him! Lucas is, uh, is...)
Anyway, Lucas's position in Hollywood/business practices/audience relations/artistic bent are very much an integrated and consistent (but still complex) thing - at least to the point that it's hard to reduce it to pure "good" or "bad". Let's just call Lucas a unique, smart, lucky bastard and focus on more concrete matters.
Just something to chew on.
So I guess that Lucas is flattering The Fifth Element. Or am I the only one who had a little deja vu with the "speeding through three dimensional traffic patterns with futuristic cars, followed by vertical plunge shot?"
Also, blocking slashdot referrals? No class.
Requiring quicktime pro for the large screen trailer? No class.
Yet another "milk the shoddy trilogy" moment.
I can understand if you don't feel that the new movies compare to the originals. You have the right to your own opinion, and if you're just simply not impressed or captivated by the trailers or new films, fine.
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But put yourself in Lucas' shoes for a minute. Here is a guy who, a couple of decades ago, created something legendary and almost mythical for a generation of movie-goers and sci-fi fans.
He's then charged with the task of one-up'ing his own past greatness with a few new movies. He must create dazzling effects that are better than anything being done with the multi-million dollar movies of current day, and he must make a good story out of it.
In the meantime, he has to worry about impressing the first generation of fans who saw the original films as well as captivating a whole new generation of youngsters with the Star Wars tale.
I guess you could kind of compare it to Michael Jordan's return(s) to the NBA after his initial retirement. People understand that he's not the limber acrobat from 20 years ago, yet it's almost as though they're dissappointed when he doesn't jump from half-court and dunk the ball.
But, the "wise" basketball fan still appreciates him for all that he's given to the game and for the people he's influenced in the process. It should be the same for Lucas.
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Actually what is most disappointing, is the constant non-stop whining about how the new trilogy sucks.
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C'mon people, please come up with new reasons for not liking the prequels. Do we have to constantly read about "continue milking money out of the franchise" ?
The movie looks like fun, big battles, cool characters, etc. If you've seen previous star wars films you know what to expect. Just saying , "it's not creative" enough amounts to saying nothing. What do you want ? I really doubt that you could come up with anything more creative that the visuals and excitement in those few minutes of the trailer.
Oh BTW, your post is not "creative". Did I already mention that ?
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Generic plot? Heck, how do you know that? Have you seen the movie already?
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Personally, I think that lightsaber action rocks. Give the movie a chance. At least, watch it before you judge it. It seems you just bashed it simply because Star Wars bashing is the in thing nowadays in
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Instead he cranked out more fodder, really for nothing more than to continue milking money out of the franchise. Looks like it's continuing.
Let me take this opportunity to say this: Thank god that Peter Jackson filmed all three LOtR at once. Read why before you mod me offtopic:
Lucas had a dream. He made Star Wars. It was... a little campy, in retrospect, but rollicking fun nonetheless.
Years pass.
Lucas made The Empire Strikes Back. It was much more serious. Darker. There's Dagobah and stuff. The sets, the effects, the tone all change. Why? Because Lucas now had better technology, and a different expectation to film for.
Years pass.
Lucas made Return of the Jedi. It was serious, yet fluffy. Dark, yet light. Wonderful effects, of course, now that years have passed. But again, the tone had shifted to become completely different. It reflected years of hindsight and expectations that affected the original artistic vision.
And it's only getting worse with the prequels.
Which is why I'm glad Peter Jackson shot all three LOtR films in one big go. Sure, the CGI is going to still be cranked out for a while. Editing can be affected by time. But overall, he has the chance to make a coherent hole of the trilogy, which is something I don't feel Lucas has been able to do with the time he's had. As Prufrock would say, time for a hundred visions and revisions...
Right, big ships, a few explosions and some dodgy gunk-cum-plasma firing guns.
When are we going to see films that really capture the true scale of the energy levels we're going to be flinging around? I don't want to see ships throwing primary coloured blobs at each other, I want to see them fling high yield nukes, antimatter weapons that light up the sky and threaten to melt any surface nearby, I want to see missiles that fill space with incandescent plasma that fades before being blown appart as it's lanced by otherwise invisible beams of radiation.
I want to see acceleration an issue; I want to see people who couldn't get to a chair to scream in agony as they get crushed down by high G forces or get torn to bits by decompressions, not a few panels exploding and some lame shaking.
I want to see ground troops frying acres of land as they desperately try to kill an enemy, I want to see them blowing shit up with gauss guns and worryingly powerful antimatter devices, or proper ray guns where you only see what's reflected off dust and things they're melting/frying (and which cause the atmosphere to explode like lightning). Screw phasers.
I want to see believable universes, filled with Humans for a change; no humanoid "aliens" who happen to act like certain stereotypes (aliens will, of course, get a look in, but not as human analogs ffs); there's huge scope for different cultures, technologies, types of people and things people will become (from tweaked to entirely redesigned) that you get with humans alone without having to think up Unlikely Stereotypical Alien-with-ridged-forehead-and-attitude-problem 31338.
Of course, it's not going to happen.. tried and tested paper thin plots and people and a few shiny special effects is just too damn easy to throw together and make money out of.
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See, George Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars came largely from a man by the name of Joseph Campbell. If you're unfamiliar with him, he was a renowned mythologist (really a mish-mash of cultural anthropologist and psychologist with a focus on cultural dialectics).
Mythology is rarely original. In fact, Campbell, were he alive, would likely point out that there are only a handful of basic mythological stories and most every contemporary myth has some root in a far more generic myth.
So, my point: indeed, there isn't anything original about Star Wars. It's just another way of characterizing a myth, in this case, the fall from grace, that has been around for thousands of years.
Of course, if you go back and watch the original movies, you may come away unimpressed with the whole mess of 'em. I know I was, despite loving them entirely as a preteen/teenager.
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Here's the (hidden) direct link to the movie in "large format" (640x288):
e /ep2_clone_war_p640.mov
http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/clone_war/media/gat
From this link, you can save the entire 31MB movie to hard disk and play it whenever you want without downloading it again. I'm sure that they'll appreciate me doing this to help reduce the load on their server.
Is it just me, or is it becoming "cool" to rebel (!) against the new Episodes?
You talk as if we watch Star Wars for the visual effects and acting. No way. It's the musical score. George Lucas is not a composer. He can't muck it up. Episode II will rock.
I was saddened and perplexed to see that Jar Jar is back even though he was supposed to be eliminated entirely. Lucas needs to listen and read these 10mostly unranked reasons Jar Jar should have been totally written out of Episode 2.
1 ** Sufferin' Succotash, Speech Impediment:
I understand that Lucas has a difficult task in creating a rich and diverse universe of alien races, each of which needs its own unique culture, look, and language. But he couldn't come up with anything better than "Moi moi, I wuv you!?" This is the first in a series of things that makes Jar Jar less realistic and more cartoonish than necessary.
2 ** Jar Jar, Future Winner of the Darwin Award
All right, you've got a stampede of frightened jungle creatures bearing down on you. They're followed by elephantine troop transports. Also, there's this jedi-hippy Qui-Gon guy heading right at you. What do you do? If you've got any survival instincts at all, you run. YOU RUN! Any creature, big or small, that doesn't flee simply deserves to have its genes exterminated.
2 ** Benedict Arnold. Twice!
Jar Jar, cowardly turncoat, reveals the ultra-secret refuge of his race not once, but twice! First, he reveals where the "secret" underwater city is after about 10 seconds of interrogation. Later, he doesn't even need any prodding to reveal where the backup secret "sacred" place is. I'm sure not telling him where my Y2K survival cabin is.
3 ** Five-Fingered Discount.
MOS ESPA POLICE BLOTTER - Tuesday, 10:45 AM. Local merchant reports that a passer-by attempted to shoplift from a street display of food. The perpetrator was described as a pink male, approximately 7 feet tall, with ritualistic tattoos covering both of his arms. Anyone with information on this crime is encouraged to call the Mos Espa police department's Crime Watch Hotline.
4 ** Bring the GPS Receiver, Jar Jar's 'Navigating.'
"We're going through the planet core, we'll need a navigator." (Or something like that.) Real bang-up job on that, Mr. Binks. He doesn't actually know where anything is, can't give even the most general helpful hint, and in fact, panics during some rather tense moments during the fish chase scene, constituting a distraction which had a very real chance to cause physical harm. Of course, with the force to guide them, the jedi come out ok, but this begs an explanation for why a navigator was so necessary in the first place.
5 ** Road Trip, Destination Mos Espa.
I simply can think of a but single reason Qui-Gon takes Jar Jar along with him on his mission to find a replacement Nubian warp drive. Qui-Gon secretly planned to sell Jar Jar into slavery when nobody was looking, in order to make money for the parts. That was a plan that I'm sure most audience members could have gotten behind. Unfortunately, Padme/Amidala insisted on tagging along, ruining Qui-Gon's plans.
6 ** Who Framed Jar Jar Rabbit?
Jar Jar is supposed to be the first major photo-realistic character in a motion picture completely generated by computers. Realistic. So why is he able to violate several of Newton's laws when he jumps into the water in a completely cartoon-like way? Star Wars is not a cartoon. When he's in Watto's shop, why does he juggle robot parts in the same non-Newtonian way? Star Wars is NOT A CARTOON. When he runs from the blue energy balls, once again--cartoon! George, I'll say it one more time--STAR WARS IS NOT A CARTOON.
7 ** Sun Tzu He Ain't.
Pity the Gungans. They're lead by Boss Nass, a man so blinded by his own inferiority complex that he decides to send his people into a slaughter to prove that not only aren't the Naboo thinkin theysa betta than tha Gungans, but the Gungans may in fact be betta than tha Naboo. Then, the Gungans have Captain Tarpals, who selects his second in command based upon, well, apparently no logic at all, since he selects Jar Jar. And of course, they're led into battle by "General" Jar Jar, who surrenders at the first opportunity (To an army with orders to commit genocide, no less! "Wipe them out--All of them!" Surrender means certain death!). Indeed, the sum total of JJ's military brilliance consists of saying, "Steady, steady." Such is the art of warfare.
8 ** Miscellaneous Dumb Quirks.
The Gungans have a law actually called 'Nocomebackie'? What the heck does "Maxi big da force" mean anyway? (If it means "The force is big," well, that's so dumb it hurts.) What's with Jar jar and the poop 'n' fart jokes? And did Lucas really name the whole race "Gungan" after a nonsense sound his son made? What's next, the "googoogagas?"
9 ** How Wude!
For a creature so obsessed with the social graces of others, berating them with his "How Wude!" sentiment, Jar Jar sure uncouth himself. Tongues are not for grabbing food.
10 ** Success through incompetence.
One of the core values that I hold is that hard work and talent breed success, and incompetence and laziness lead to failure. This isn't really such a novel idea; it should be pretty fundamental to anybody who thinks capitalism is a good thing. It's the basis for the American Dream.
Young Anakin Skywalker is a good example of these values. Anakin is filled with the force, so he's a great pilot without even trying. In spite of this, he also spends his free time exercising his mechanical skills, trying to search for his slave transmitter, and in general making himself a better person. When Anakin succeeds, we feel he deserves it.
Jar Jar is a mockery of these values. He's unintelligent, a coward, and lazy. He's mechanically inept. His clumsiness makes him such a burden on his society that they force him into exile. He is careless with military weaponry. He almost breaks the pod-racer by dropping an tool into a jet engine! And in spite of all of this, he succeeds too!
The idea that Jar Jar can succeed without trying simply because he's good-hearted is offensive to Libertarians everywhere.
Why did Lucas waver again. He has no integrity. First the video trailer clps showing scenes not in the movie, and now this doublecross of his fans.
Of course the plot seems generic, there are movies and storylines that they have to follow.
They never really showed any other sith for the Jedi to fight. I am sure that they created one, but didn't share that information in the trailers. The only part that I found to be bland in the thing was Yoda's dialogue. I never really understood why someone so old and wise couldn't speak elementary english. But I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
A real problem is that with the high-tech past, how does the future become so mundane in just a generation? They need to do a lot of explaining in the next two movies to show why and how they got from point A to point B, but enough of this off topic rant!
A massive confrontation like this unfortunately leaves little room for personal interaction. Sure, you might have the last minute Kennedy to Khrushchev calls, but other than that, the plot would involve millions of people being blown up without even knowing the individual who pressed the button. Moviegoers want to watch movies that have some relevance to their life, and interpersonal relationships is one of the more complex and challenging topics for movies to explore.
The apple server isn't slashdotted (yet). It just wants a specific referring page, or it wants you to come straight in. Click the link from the article, get the error message, click in your URL window, and hit return again.
You can also find the trailer at planetmirror. This completes my collection; now I'll have a full CD-ROM full of stuff to keep me excited until the release date.
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John Williams does do good work. However, it seemed to me that all the music in the trailer was taken directly from previous movies. Has he not yet recorded the music, or is he simply getting less original?
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I don't think Lucas was focusing on the action to downplay romance.
If you look at the Episode 1 trailers, and look at how Lucas does things, you'll see he likes to create a different effect with each trailer. The other trailer was a "love story" trailer, this one is an action trailer. I would not be surprised if there are one or two more that each emphasize a different theme or plot.
The pod race is a visual allusion to the chariot race in Ben Hur. Ben hur, for those who haven't seen it, is the story of a man who turns to violence to avenge his mother and sister, and finds redemption through the love of Christ.
Agree with the "too much CGI" comment though.
You are correct, the music (from all the trailers) are from previous Star Wars movies. I think this one was 2 or 3 from TESB.
He's probably not done yet.
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In the extras in ep. I, Lucas was saying he wanted the look and feel of the first episodes vs. the next 3 to mirror the product evolution of the US before and after the industrial revolution. So on one hand, you have machines that are hand-made by craftsmen, then everything gets industrialized and you get the more mass-produced look of eps. 4-6.
Personally, I think it's a neat idea, but I agree with you--he didn't think it all the way through and it looks wierd. How come the technology in the ep. 1 is no less advanced, if not more advanced? Maybe what he should've done is make eps. 1-3 with the exact same moviemaking technology that he used in the 70's, except when he needed a shot that was impossible to do without CG, he should've done some CGI, except make it look like animatronics or puppets, rather than real life. For some reason, I find it a lot easier to suspend my disbelief in eps. 4-6, even though the effects in ep. 1 supposedly look more realistic.
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Being a member of the Freelancers Drum and Bugle Corps in 88 and 89, I was almost tearing up in both eyes at the sounds of "Forest Battle" from Return of the Jedi in that trailer.
That was the song that we used to kick ass and take names with in 88 for our drum solo. The song was really fun, lots of for the altos, esp.. all those WHOOP WHOOOP WHOOOOOOPS! that John Williams is famous for making french horns want to kill themselves rather than put up with all that work.
I love John Williams. He makes great music. You all can bite me.
Hating John William is nearly the same thing as being a Patriots Fan in Feb 2002....
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I think part of the problem is that with CGI, they don't have the limitations of real life, so they just forget about them. "Hey, let's make the camera fly around the race course at a million mph. Ooo, cool." "Okay, while you do that, I'm going to make my CG character figit around annoyingly while the real actors are talking just because I've got a handle on Inverse Kinematics." WTF? Real life actors can sit still, why can't CG ones?
I think someone needs to come up with a plug-in for Softimage (or whatever program they use) that will prevent the virtual camera from doing anything a normal camera couldn't do in real life. Like if you moved it too high, it would make you build a virtual crane to hold it in position. Or if you moved it around in the air, you'd get a $3,000 virtual helicopter rental fee deducted from your bank account.
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Is Anakin going to become Vader in this episode? That would be the best, as the whole next movie we could see him in action. Yet, maybe Anakin is too young...
BTW, How come Anakin grows up so fast, and the Queen still looks like a teen? Then they fall in love... in the first movie there was a big age difference... it's a little strange. Oh well, just a movie.
err... the LOTR story was written decades ago. Get a grip.
I think you've got a great point with this. When Lucas did American Graffiti and Star Wars, he was a relative unknown experimenting with new film technology. This gave him freedom from people's expectations, which is why Star Wars was such a hit. Now, look at where he's at today--people who love the vision of his original movie aren't impressed with his recent offerings because they really bring nothing new to the table, both in terms of story and in terms of film tech.
.Since Lucas can't seem to have a great story AND great special effects anymore, I wholeheartedly agree--lets blow our socks off with special effects. :o)
Lucas has ALWAYS been one for new moviemaking toys. On one hand this is a good thing: he alone is responsible for getting ILM and the realm of realistic model-based special effects off the ground back in the Dark Ages of SFX. The same is true more recently for digital film. Hell, Kubrick used to shoot all of his films in mono because he was disgusted at the variance in theater quality. Thanks to Lucas, this may not be a problem in the very near future with digital projection.
On the other hand, this dependance on glitzy looks has the adverse effect, at least on his films, of relieving focus on story. Yeah they look great. Yeah they'll sell lots of toys. Back in the 70's, they sold Star Wars to the masses. Now, in our CG-inundated world, audiences need more than this. As an example, someone posted earlier just to this effect, about wanting more impressive weapons instead of what was in the trailer. I agree. .
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This is really excellent, because as you cheat yourself out of enjoying the film because you're foolish enough to prejudge this, the rest of us will probably love it because it's bigger and better than any of the other movies. I loved Ep. 4 when I was a kid, and my nephew loved Ep.1 and so did I. I'm really looking forward to Ep. 2, and your opinion won't matter an iota when the tidalwave of this movie arrives. So go ahead gripe and bitch, it says more about you than the film. Some people are just spoiled, they get Star Wars and it ain't enough they still find room to bitch and moan. Don't tell us how bad it is, nobody cares, just don't go and see it, I dare you. Of course there's no chance of that, you WILL see this movie. At least I'll get my moneys worth when I go see the film because I'll have a chance of enjoying it.
What a dark day this is for Slashdot!
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Is it me, or does Yoda say "Begun, this corn war has"? Listen carefully at 2:10.
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You may download the trailer from: http://lavender.cime.net/~aotc/ep2_clone_war.mpg
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It's common film-industry practice when making trailers to take music from some other source to score the trailer. This is because at the point when most trailers are made, the scoring of the actual film has not yet been completed (or in some cases even begun), so they don't yet have anything to work with.
In most cases, the music is entirely unrelated, except in mood. For instance, Carmina Burana's "O Fortuna" is a favorite for trailers involving a lot of action (such as the one for Cutthroat Island); so well-known is it that Williams borrowed heavily from it for "Duel of the Fates" in Episode One.
But in movies that are part of a series, then naturally they'll use music from earlier in the series. Better to have the music be familiar and evocative than for it just to be evocative.
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...insist that one need "PRO" version of the QuickTime to watch big version? I just opened this URL http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/clone_war/media/gate /ep2_clone_war_p640.mov in regular QUickTIme player and got nice, full screen trailer - not some smallish window they force you to see on the web page. And even on the web page this bullshit about getting a paid Pro version. What a bunch of crap.
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Pick up a book. I'm not trying to be snide; I think you're going to find much more of the kind of inventiveness you're looking for in sci-fi novels than you ever will in the movies.
WWII-era space battles and balkanized aliens are just too much of a staple. Farscape has some slightly more interesting aliens, in that they're not all humanoid, but they still adhere to more or less cartoony personality types.
I think it's just a limitation of the television / movie medium. Well, not of the medium, but of the economic circumstances driving the medium.
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I am afraid it is you who are mistaken about many things... You have a decent analysis, but your facts are all wrong. Of course, that is always a bad start.
George Lucas did make the original Star Wars. And that movie turned out pretty much how you describe it. However, George Lucas did not make the two following films. Not really. Not in the sense we usually give that word.
The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner. Lucas is credited with the role of executive producer and with the story, but not the script. Apparently, Lucas gave Kershner a lot of leeway. Kershner put a lot of himself in the film, which explains why it stands out so vividly in the franchise. As for Lucas, he thought it was a bit too dark. (There is an anecdote, verified by Kershner, about Han's macho "I know" line, which he says to Leia when she tells him she loves him. Lucas didn't like the line and wanted it out, but Kershner held his ground. Lucas only let it stand after he saw how the public reacted in a private screening. Sad but true, Lucas would have preferred Han say "I love you too.")
Now admittedly The Return of the Jedi looks more like a Lucas movie. But he still didn't direct it. He gave that job to Richard Marquand. Again, Lucas is the executive producer and is credited with the story, but not the script. Obviously the film is going to feel a bit different. Now apart from the advance in technology which you mention, I personnally see this film as a return to the aesthetics of the first film. I think that this is what Lucas wanted when he picked Marquand. Now, I understand that Lucas guided Marquand more than he had Kershner. But maybe Marquand just happened to share Lucas' tastes more than Kershner did.
So do not be surprised if the movies look and feel different... They were made by diferent people. Funny thing is, I think Lucas used to be very open about all of this. But not anymore. He doesn't usually mention neither directed nor wrote the scripts to two of them. Kind of strange. So... As long as Lucas writes and directs the prequels, don't expect any one of them to turn out like Episode V. Especially since he didn't like it that much in the first place.
No I get the point, but go ahead and pretend I don't all you like. The film was very true to the book, the main plot was laid out decades ago. I don't buy the claim that them all being all filmed at once makes a significant difference in this case, especially when the person making the claim has only seen the first movie. Thank goodness they DIDN'T make attack of the clones decades ago, it'd be more like attack of the clone, besides Lucas almost bust the bank making the first film and was told it would flop. The time between films has allowed the Star Wars universe to grow and mature and gives Lucas something to build upon (not that I really give a shit). The Tolkein books were not all written instantly either.
OK, in the new trailer that aired last night after Malcolm, right after Yoda says "In grave danger you are", there's something I can't believe. You see Obi-Wan jumping through some kind of press that's trying to crush him vertically. Didn't Lucas see GalaxyQuest?! As Sigourney Weaver would say, "This episode was badly written!"
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Watching EP1 last night on the Movie channel I had a rather interesting insight. That Anakin is/was always the second Sith [candidate].
Anakin 'imaculate conception', hint's of genetic engineer, aka The Clone-Wars.
Palpatine familiarity with Tatooine, 'a minor outland planet on the edge of known space', he clearly knows about it, Why ? He Certainly he has some interest in it!
Tatooine close proximatly to Naboo, Palpatine home planet. Convenient or Coincidence ?
Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the Chosen One spoken of in an ancient prophecy, the one who would bring balance to the Force. What does he know to suggest he is not a natural produced/wild Jedi? And Why is training Anakin, the most important thing/ last wish he asked of Obi-Wan ?
Anakin's unatural talent for machines, when Jedi are supposed to be connected to living things.
Anakin 'training' on Tatooine.
Bobafetts links to Tatooine, and Palpatine and Sith's.
> A massive confrontation like this unfortunately leaves little room for personal interaction.
Nope; you're not going to make a film entirely out of that, there's plenty of room for getting across the raw panic/cold determinism/etc of the people involved, then you've got space for setting up these huge battles, all the politics and interpersonal relationships that caused them etc, then the after effects as people risk their lives to save survivors. And of course, you've got the more mundane aspects of the lives of the main characters.
Really, you're not going to make a movie entirely out of that sort of large scale battle; they're probably not going to last long anyway (how long do you think anyone would survive these sort of battles without either being vaporised, running out of ammo, overheating or deciding to run away?), and nobody's going to go about nuking planets/space stations/each other without good reason. You might as well say the same about any movie; sure, done badly it'll end up being a special effects showcase and nothing else, but hey, it's not going to be any worse than what we already have, is it?
> With insanely powerful weapons comes instant destruction.
Not really; with insanely powerful weapons comes equally powerful defense; launch a volly of missiles at someone, they launch a bunch back, fire a beam of radiation at someone, they fire a cloud of reflective chaff back and disapate the heat (or hiding behind the huge cloud of radiation your missiles (and by missiles, think: semi-intelligent minature warships with submunitions, big, dirty drive systems that cloud everything etc)).
Soldiers get smart "skins" which solidify and conduct excess heat into the ground, meaning it takes nothing short of a direct hit to kill them (not to mention the boosted bodies which are more capable of taking damage).
It doesn't always become more instant (even when it does, nobody's going to want to fry ground forces from orbit, just like nobody now wants (or can arrange) to start throwing nukes around), since both sides won't be standing still.
> Read a book.
> Hollywood isn't ready for that yet.
Well, it is still fairly "early"; who knows what will happen in the next few years/decades/centuries.
> I recommend the Hyperion series.
The Reality Dysfunction series is rather good too. Peter Hamilton++;
A couple of book suggestions. Movies just ain't gonna cut it here.
Eric
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Has anyone noticed how the scene where Anakin jumps off the levitating car is eirily similar to a scene from The Fifth Element?
-B
I think that you're putting far more thought into the subplots of the Star Wars universe than George Lucas does.
Personally, I think that he has a dart board that has his various plot elements, then he just strings them haphazzardly together.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
So what you're saying is that we need to get Kershner to redo all of the Star Wars movies and go lock Lucas in a cell and then show him the finished movies, which most likely not suck as much as his currently do.
You did also forget to mention the work of Joseph Campbell on the first two and not on ROTJ.
If you are annoyed by someone who needs help, STFU. Posting crap like this is totally unproductive and fosters ill-will.
maybe, or perhaps there edxpectation will be so low, they'll enjoy it more then you?
For the record, I think EP1 was the worse one of the serious. I feel he destroyed the mythology of star wars be explaining the force, felt there were too many scenes that where just there to show off the CG and not to tell a story.
The trailer that was on Fox made me think "hmm, he produced a video game"
The opening weekend ticket sale will be interesting.
Will I see this movie? probable. WIll I see it in the theater? hard to say, but it will be the first one I won't see on opening night.
I hopw I am wrong, I hope this movie is so damn good that I kick myself for not seeing it opening night. Since it is more about selling merchindise then telling a story, I doubt I'll regret it.
I'm not a Jar-JAr hater,there where a great many things that sucked worse...
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In a universe that fast FTL, planet destruction is pice of cake.
1. take ship with FTL.
2. Fly ship at light speed into planet.
3. watch atmosphere explode.
Just for reference, I pieces of material(less thena kilo gram), tracelling at about 100th the speed of light, leveled a 10 mile radius.
who needs a death star?
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a rebuttal:
1) Not all races will have a mouth shaped like ours. Had no problem wit this my self. This might be because my son is in speech theorpy, and if there are people of this race whoi can't speek it clearly, why would we expect aliens to?
2)Certianly thats a terran instinct, but Jar-Jar is an alien, from an underwater city. perhaps they don;t have any preditors that stalk them on the land? I suggest you read the ring world serious.
2)(you listed 2 twice) thew Jedi are known through out the Universe has protectors of the peace. In the SW universe it wouldn't be unthinkable for someone to do this.
3)not sure of this reference,but perhaps his race has no concept of monetary exchange?
4)So, underwater his flight instinct is intact?
5)hmmm ok.
6)apperantly, SW is a cartoon now. but then so is Heavy metal, Cowboy bebop, and Akira. doesn't mean its not good. Beside, maybe Jar-Jar is using the force? Because a great meny thing happen in all the movies that defy physics.
7)I see your point, the funny think is, if they protrayed Jar-Jar has intentionally releasing the globes, he would have been much less "goofy side kick", and far more, "Alien we don't quite understand"
8)Again, he's alien, He is not speaking his common language. In many languages, there are words that rtanslate into "silly" phrases.
9)again, alien race. Rudeness is a mater of social convention.
10)Success through incompetence.
that is through out the movie. You site anakin. ok, oops sarted ship, oops got it off the ground,oops now I'm in space, oops now I'm in a key military ship, oops, blew it up, whew, got out in "the nick of time"(won't mention how clishe ship barley excaping explosion is becoming)
oops, go it into the atmosphere, oops managed to land it.
sheesh.
all that said, I didn't like Jar-Jar for one simple reason: He was close to being a geate character. Sometimes Just missing the mark is worse then missing the whole target.
If I was to change 1 thing about EP1 I wouod remove the Medi-chloridean references. With that single thing, Lucas destroyed his mythos. Instead of "the force is strong with this one" he had to give it some root in "science".
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...he has the chance to make a coherent hole of the trilogy :-)
I think you meant coherent whole, but given many people's opinion of TPM, this is much funnier
I disagree.
George Lucas put a lot of thought into just those details. Thats what he does best. If he would back off and let the director handle the details, EP1 would have been far better.
Thoose thing the original poster noticed is exactly what I noticed during the movie, and what I liked best about the movie.
Clearly Anakin was genetically engineered, but by whom? probably Palpatine.
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Personally, I think Anakin takes the dark side because he know, ultimatly it will destroy the Emperor.
Your clue with the machine is an excellant observation. That now make 2 of us who clued in on that:)
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"When are we going to see films that really capture the true scale of the energy levels we're going to be flinging around?"
You mean like the Death Star?
Granted that I'm unfamiliar with Graves or Frazer (must look these guys up now :-D), I definitely have to conceed that the first three movies are far truer to core mythology and, hence, perhaps, their massive appeal and generally accepted beauty.
;-)
Indeed, the Phantom Menace did have that feel of being trapped within the mythology of the Eps IV through VI rather than continuing to freely explore mythology holistically.
That holistic notion seemed key to Campbell's work. So he inherited that perspective? Interesting.
Again, very insightful remark IMHO. Give kubla2000 his 5!
I've been thinking about this for a long time too... I hadn't really though about him being genetic engineered though, although it's a good theory too... I was thinking, what if Palpatine is actually his father?
It makes so much sense... if the Emperor has "Skywalker blood", it would explain why he is so powerful in the Force, it would explain how he is able to seduce Anakin into ultimately joining him, the very same offer Anakin later makes to his own son, Luke. It would make a beautifully symmetrical story of family redemption, with Palpatine being evil, Luke being good, and Anakin is the "balance" in between. Lucas HAS planned out the overall story outline since the very beginning.
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Luke Skywalker whining all the way through episode 4 was "really incredible"?? I don't think so. It was really incredible when I went to see it at age 10, when I was too immature to recognize what a brat Luke was being. It was only barely watchable when I went to see it again at age 30+. Some aspects of the series are, as you say, classic, but I'd say that there are dozens of movies that are more incredible in so many ways.
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> Try the science non-fiction section, thanks. ;)
:/
Star Wars is more a fantasy or fairy tale than science fiction (nothing wrong with that, just look at LoTR). Lucas seemed to be pushing the fairy tale part rather hard in episode 1 though
> Anyway, that isn't what Star Wars is, and you can't tell me you were really expecting that in the trailer/up coming movie, can you?
Nope, I was more suggesting that the Star Wars universe is a bit lame and wishing we could spend the millions on something new and less on the children's fantasy end of the spectrum.
Not that Star Wars doesn't have a ligitimate place in all of this too, but suspending disbelief and switching to watch-and-drool mode constantly gets tiring.
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.. . .and there was this one time, in band camp. . .
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I dunno - there were some bits to Babylon 5 where there was definately some harsh high-end military mayhem going on:
The Centauri orbital bombardment of the Narn homeworld.
The Shadows' destruction of the Earth outpost.
I even forget the one planet the Shadows destroyed with the ground penetrating nukes.
Then there's Sheridan's destruction of Khazad Dum with the R/C spaceship loaded with nukes.
Unfortunately, in this case, the production budget wasn't up to portraying the kind of detail you're looking for.
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> So watch Babylon 5!
p es, and space battles consisting mostly of firing primary coloured blobs around at 30mph. Acceleration doesn't seem to effect anyone either, despite their lack of artificial gravity.
:)
Still has an overdose of aliens-with-generic-ridged-foreheads-and-stereoty
It does at least have a believable flight model and less inconsitant universe.
Anyway, isn't B5 dead? I don't see anyone pumping $200m into it
Or not.
Guess I should read the bio. However I wouldn't knock a Connery Bond film. They were the best of them thus far.
Robocop 2 OTOH...
Empire was good enough that I would, at a minimum, be interested in his vision for Star Wars. It was certainly a lot darker and more gritty and real then the rest of Star Wars. The ones from Lucas have seemed very... um... child-like happy, good, oh my! I can do without it.
My expectations are high, but this series has always delivered. AS for your video game comment, you need to go see final fantasy, now that was a video game. If you see the other trailers it's clear that in total this movie is lining up to be anything but a video game. There's more to critical judgement than just bashing something, which is what you are doing. All signs indicate a great movie, and to bash this on available evidence is just moronic. Like I said, don't go see the movie, I dare you.
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