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GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 Released
damiam writes "GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 has been released. Changes include new versions of Nautilus, Yelp, and the control center, as well as bugfixes all around. Download it from gnome.org or one of the mirrors." Jeff Waugh adds: "The possibility of a complete beer freeze at GUADEC has inspired another kickarse release of the GNOME 2.0 Desktop. It's awesome stuff, definitely worth trying out. You should find GARNOME handy if there are no packages available for your distro."
This release is codenamed "La lluvia en Sevilla es una maravilla", which babelfish translates to "Rain in Seville is a wonder". Any spanish speakers here that can tell us, what it really means? :-)
You should make them - if you have the brains to compile software, you have the brains to package it. As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions.
GARNOME seems like a pretty sweet deal, should give people running less mainstream versions of linux or other *n*x's a chance to run Gnome. Has anyone tried this, i'm interested in the results, very interested.
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OpenBSD on a Quad Xeon? What a waste of 3 CPUs...
Wow, I'm impressed nobody has posted links to screenshots yet!
Here you go: http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/images/
I'm pretty new to Linux (I've ran it since January as a primary OS.. before I had it installed but only dicked around with it once and awhile) and I've been trying to figure this out for awhile.
What are the main differences between Gnome and KDE?
I use KDE because it seems a lot more natural for me, with a lot more tools to change stuff around with. I go over to Gnome sometimes, and I wonder what difference there is between KDE and Gnome. They look the same, they have a similar 'feel'.. I personally don't see the difference.
(note; this is not a troll, this is something I am legitimately wondering about)
Somehow I always assumed OpenBSD was Quad capable, hmm, one of the firewalls at work has a dual board, and I always wondered what would happen if I added a CPU, so I guess now I know. :-)
use opera
its more standards compliant
its way way faster
you cat turn off images/new images on teh fly
you can disable popups on the fly
it does email
it doesn't muck around with MSHTML
its safer than IE
and thats just what I can think of off the top of my head
God you relly are trolling, Gnome is a quite a bit older than Aqua. It was released a couple of years before "Aqua" was a twinkle in Steve Jobs's eye.
Anyone know if there are any themes allready ported to gtk2? the default theme does not look very .... impressive. Now if someone would have ported the xeno* theme engine to gtk2 ... hmmm ;)
:)
:) very cool !
Btw, what you can't see on the screenshots that some screen updates have been undergone a major overhaul in gtk2. For example take gtop, the process monitor. With gtk1.x it would flicker so much you can't use it. (Basicly the whole screen is redrawn each refresh, and u can watch the redraw
With gtk2 this is MUCH better, i guess due to double buffering. you only see the numbers change
Hmmmm.... please tell me more about it.
I was intent on using my HP NetServer (with four Xeons) as an SMP OpenBSD machine. Unfortunately, Theo and co. haven't yet implemented any support (officially, at least) for SMP.
:)
An SMP mailing list, CVS branch, and information page do exist, though.
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I don't.. I just steal the windows and mac ones, someone start a Graphics/Fonts etc project or whatever for X/Gnome/KDE and based on voting package the best fonts/graphics etc into a package and distribute freely. X also needs some new mouse pointer sets. Actually I'm gonna steal the e17 set and throw that into an X set.
You can install whatever fonts you want. You can even download MS Windows fonts directly from MS and install them if you like.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
XML with CSS looks great in Opera. .1% is Frontpage crap that barely works in Moz.
Flash works
Crossover plugin works (quicktime et al)
99.9% of all sites work.
That other
Very easy and intuiitive system for defining your custom document settings, you just pick a tag, and tell it what font you want, i.e. H1=whatever H2=whatever PRE=whatever.
It's cheap.
If it crashes, it saves your place 90% of the time, and you don't have to search for the pages again.
Cookie handling is nice, with white and black lists on server or domain, and also it flushes all cookies on exit by default, unless you explicitely said that cookie could stick around.
Major Con:
Printing doesn't work. Ever. I have never gotten printing to work on Red Hat Linux with Opera. Come on guys, it couldn't be that hard to fix.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Yeah, the fonts pretty much suck, I use fonts from Windows, but better hinting in the fonts wont help much for most people's default freetype installations, as the proper bytecode interpreter by default is disabled, and the crappy auto-hinter is enabled by default. But don't blame the freetype people for this, blame Apple's patent. I would think by merely shipping freetype with the bytecode interpreter, enabled or not, is a big risk. Anyway, enabling proper hinting takes a recompile, the include file include/freetype/config/ftoption.h has the option specified on line 435 or thereabouts..
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Funny, I'm looking at it from my Titanium PowerBook G4 as well, and I see nothing wrong with most of the fonts in the screenshots. Some people picked what I would consider ugly fonts in some screenshots, but that's their right. OSX, in comparison, for better or worse, gives people very little choice.
I see plenty wrong with your attitude, however. Apple has only been able to spend that much time and money on graphic design because they got much of the nitty-gritty work done for them by open source folks. If it weren't for open source, OSX wouldn't be here and Apple would likely be out of business soon.
And maybe Apple should spend some time on their own font rendering as well, because, frankly, Apple's anti-aliasing on PowerBooks sucks.
I just have trouble believing that in the year 2002 you guys still don't have nice hinted fonts shipping and in-use by default with X.
In part, that's Apple's fault, actually. Their software patents on the particular hinting methods used in TrueType have held back the development of open source renderers for TrueType.
And X11 actually has had good hinting technology for years, but because Apple and Microsoft managed to push their own, new, proprietary font standards, the X11 folks had to start from scratch.
So, be nice. Apple has plenty of bad history to make up for with the open source community, and they need all the help they can get.
Amazingly it looks just like gnome 1.4. This isn't flamebait but i still think gnome lacks the smoothness and grace of kde. This is coming from a former gnome user, one who after playing with mac os switched to kde, because at least its functional and looks good.
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Nautilus? Isn't it a bit bloated? Not only is it slow, but doesn't it require Mozilla? And I have no problems with Konqueror. It doesn't crash when I use it.
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Nope, but I'm new with the Linux and Open Source issues. Anyway - I didnt understand your answer so please be more specific. It would be nice if you could refer shortly this Gone/MS issue.
Augh! Frozen beer!
If you can't take the foam and ice, the waiting for it to thaw is hell when it's the last you've got!
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In case you didn't know, Opera will only send information voluntarily. Opera doesn't harvest anything. You can set up your ad preferences to receive targeted ads, but these are disabled by default. The user actually has to enter information manually, and the information cannot be traced back to the user. In addition to this, Opera has run user surveys to find out who their users are. Cydoor have simply picked this information up from Opera's web pages.
Not only that, but Opera doesn't contain a single line of Cydoor code. The ad module is 100% written by Opera's own developers, and the only thing the ad module does is to download ads. It even sends and receives information from the ad servers in plain text, so anyone can look at what is being transmitted.
But that's not all. Cydoor no longer produce spyware. There is a myth online which never seems to die, and that is that Cydoor are into spyware. They did spy on their users at one point, but not anymore.
Your lies about Opera are, frankly, disgusting. You can even see what Opera writes about this and read exactly what the ad module in Opera actually does. But you don't care about facts, do you?
Gnome+Opera is a great combination, despite Opera using Qt!
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The GNOME 2 version of Nautilus is a lot faster than the GNOME 1 version. The difference in speed is amazing, even on my Athlon 1,4 Ghz with 128 MB RAM.
Nautilus's is now almost as fast as Windows Explorer.
I expect more optimizations in the upcoming releases.
And no, Nautilus doesn't require Mozilla.
Only the Mozilla Bonobo component requires Mozilla, but you are not required to install that component and can use GtkHTML instead.
Mozilla has also become a lot faster the last few months, speed is more than acceptable on my computer, so I don't see what's the problem about depending on Mozilla.
Actually, I would say just the opposite. KDE needs Gnome's panel and Gnome needs KDE's file manager. Gnome has Alot better and wider variety of panel applets. Konqueror is alot better file manager than Nautilus. I do admit it does crash randomly, about once every few days of use.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
The ThinIce engine for gtk2 has been released some days ago, you can get get it here
And the Crux and gtk-engines package are already on Gnome CVS
I agree with this post. Sometimes I have trouble working with the LINUX, and I have to give up and use a real OS to get my work done, solely based on the complete ineptitude of the LINUX fonts. With fonts that bad, I can see why the LINUX GURU do not use the X-WINDOWS.
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I don't really believe that. With configure scripts, compiling is really easy. I am very incompetent, but I can compile GNOME from sources (not from GARNOME). Still, I've never managed to create binary packages for any distro (even though I've tried).
These screenshots are ancient. I know the date says Mar 27, but they're pre-alpha shots. See the dotplan site.
a "rip of mankind" ? WTF ? Is that where you get the human race to fit into 700MB ?
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Take a look at this screenshot and compare it to your Aqua desktop again :)
+5 Informative for anyone who can either point out links to
1) Precompiled binaries made from a Garnome (if it's not too giant)
2) RPMs that will coexist nicely with Gnome 1.4
3) Instructions on how to get Gnome 2 from the Mandrake cooker (yes, it's there) but avoiding the conflicts with gnome 1.4 (and without removing Gnome 1.4)
Asking the user to require 1.1Gbs of build space seems rather excessive! Even the "206Mbs once installed" seems large
Amazingly it looks just like gnome 1.4.
And we all know a windowing environment isn't "good" unless the look and feel changes with every release, right?
The point is that they could smooth it out alittle bit. Gnome always looked too clunky for me. Maybe blend the taskbar alittle. Try not to be so angular... then again now i'm just arguing for it to look more like kde and any other nice wm out there.
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That's an absolutely ridiculous statement. There were hinted outline fonts available before TrueType even came along; we didn't need Apple or Microsoft to create the TrueType format. And TrueType fonts are a huge pain to create in the first place.
Some standard would have come along no matter what. This particular standard happens to come with patent strings attached, and that's not particularly nice.
Did you ever try themes or even code tweaks? Between the two I have managed to smooth out almost everything that bothered me about Gnome. It may not be the most attractive thing out of the box (although I think it looks a lot less cluttered than KDE), but it is extremely customizable. Pick a window manager you like, add a theme and you can get Gnome to look like almost anything. A lot of the themes these days even have rounded, less angular windows. I have one friend who actually had his looking like Windows and another who duped KDE. With a little time, it's amazing what you can do to Gnome's appearance.
Wonder if the group Pink Martini could be commissioned to whip out a quick and dirty GNOME2 Beta3 theme song. The title seems right up their alley.
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Am I the only one who thinks Apple users are starting to sound a lot like the people in those annoying Kia commercials? Except that they can't really brag that their Macs cost thousands less than my Honda Accor- er, I mean my x86 PC.
How about: "My Apple iMac came standard with nice, hinted fonts and a breast implant-like case! And it cost hundreds more than your custom-built Athlon 2100+ XP that quad boots four operating systems!"
If you need to interpret my post, then you don't get it.
The only accurate way I can describe the event of KDE3, Gnome2 and Moz1 all coming out within a month or so of each other is as some sort of "open source orgasm". Sigh.
I see plenty wrong with your attitude, however. Apple has only been able to spend that much time and money on graphic design because they got much of the nitty-gritty work done for them by open source folks. If it weren't for open source, OSX wouldn't be here and Apple would likely be out of business soon.
I agree with you about his attitude, and of course agree that Apple got a huge free head start from FreeBSD. But I disagree that Apple would be sunk without Open Source. Without BSD and thus NeXT Step, Apple would have continued talks with Be, Inc. and Mac users would be running a next generation Be OS. Sure, Apple would have had to pay $400 million because they wouldn't have had an alternative. But $400 mil wouldn't have sunk Apple. BSD wasn't their only option.
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huh? i dont see any gtkhtml programs on that screenshot.. the fonts are nicely anti-aliased and about half the people that use gtk+X hate it and the other half like it. just setting a variable turns it on/off.
And as far as printing goes, I installed CUPS on my laptop running Debian Unstable at work 2 days ago and it was the easier setup ive came across. good quality printing to the hp laserjet on a Windows 98 computer. no wonder Apple has licensed to use CUPS for printing.
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metatheme is the gnome answer to that. Its a theme that setups everything from gtk+, nautilus, sawfish and xmms.
Seems to me that Nautilus is roughly at the functionality level of old Konqueror 1.0. Any word on when serious progress is going to be made?
$ cd themes/gnome ../sawfish /usr/share/sawfish/0.30/themes
$ tar zxvf gnome-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ cd
$ tar zxvf sawfish-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ su
# cp *.tar.gz
# exit
$ gnomecc
Then I select the themes I want and off I go. Takes about two minutes. Of course, that's because I've got a collection of my favorite GTK and Sawfish themes (and wallpapers too actually) that I just keep lying around in tarballs for whenever I need them, but I always figured that was a sensible thing to do...
And with that said, GNOME 1.4 by default was a heck of a lot prettier than 1.2; that ugly old default GTK theme just needs to be buried and forgotten. And I don't know what 2.0 will look like by default, but I imagine it won't be too bad.
You, just like others, didn't get the (IMHO) ironic meaning of the post (reversing everything). At least guessing from the gtk file selector comment - I don't believe a sane person could like that poor excuse for a file selector.
Are the packages in debian/unstable yet? Which bits do you need to install (and remove) to upgrade to gnome2?
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Well, as I said, there are some desktops that are misconfigured. This particular problem is, ironically, the same problem that many OSX fonts have (although not quite as pronounced).
The main mistake there is to turn on anti-aliasing for small fonts. Anything smaller than 12 pixels should probably not be anti-aliased.
If linux is to really move ahead on the desktop, it needs a standard set of high quality fonts and a standard printing system that all linux distros use and support.
Maybe you want that, but why the hell would I want that? X11 has excellent, hand-designed bitmapped fonts that display more nicely than anything on Windows or MacOS. Since I use TeX, it makes no difference to me that those fonts don't print out nicely. Similarly, there is not single printing system that works everywhere. Microsoft and Apple have tried, and they have failed.
I hate this "eveybody must work just the way I like it" attitude. There are Linux distributions that use scalable, anti-aliased fonts by default and have picked a "standard" printing system. And there are other Linux distributions that have other priorities. If you can't deal with the choice, go use Windows.
When last I tried Gnome, it was slow and
featureless in comparison to KDE3rc3. I'm
quite willing to switch over to Gnome, if
it becomes a better productivity environment,
and consumes less resources, but I'm concerned
that until someone who is willing and able to
leave their dull axes in the closet for a while
can make a comprehensive feature and performance
comparison, both Gnome and KDE users alike will
have little practical choice but to continue in
their current environment.
Therefore, I ask: Can anyone recommend a
reasonably thorough and objective comparison of
Gnome 2 and KDE 3?
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BeOS may be a nicely engineered system, but it wouldn't have attracted a lot of new people to the platform. OSX's full UNIX support has made it a viable choice again in academia and research, and it gives Apple a huge developer base and software base to draw on. I think any choice other than OSX would have doomed Apple.
Give me something wicked fast and utterly reliable. I run K on two low end PCs and frankly it kind of sucks from a usability perspective given its sluggishness.
http://www.gnome.org/~jamin/screenshots/beta3/
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Wow, nothing but trolls in response to this. I think it looks great. Get a life people.
Why would I want to package software?
Ahem...
"As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions."
Who am I distributing it to?
Besides the abovementioned benefits, if you were a social, community minded sort of fellow (which I suggest from the subject line of your post you are not) then you might wish to help other users of your OS / distribution by distributing source / binary packages.
However, I agree with you that this is the time to be nice, and I honestly am greatful that Gnome is taking its first steps towards good anti-aliasing and nice-looking fonts.