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GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 Released
damiam writes "GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 has been released. Changes include new versions of Nautilus, Yelp, and the control center, as well as bugfixes all around. Download it from gnome.org or one of the mirrors." Jeff Waugh adds: "The possibility of a complete beer freeze at GUADEC has inspired another kickarse release of the GNOME 2.0 Desktop. It's awesome stuff, definitely worth trying out. You should find GARNOME handy if there are no packages available for your distro."
Is Linux almost usable yet?
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
I am a Computer Information Systems Professional at a major Fortune 500 corporation. Very recently the head of our IT department decided that we were going to switch every one of our networks over to Windows XP Professional. We had previously been running OpenBSD on all our quad processor Xeons. Some of them had had uptimes approaching a year! My personal favourite, Gerbil, had been running without a reboot for three years.
One day one of those Microsoft shills that you often read about on the Register came by for a visit. I grew very suspicious about what was going on when my boss and the Microsoft representative walked by my desk, and entered the server room. I could hear muffled voices through the closed door. The Microsoft representative was asking what we were running on our servers! My worst fears had come true. I sat at my desk for the rest of the day, silently awaiting the bad news. The news did not come until the next day. It was worse than I had feared. We were to be a Microsoft only shop from that day on! I could not believe it. The Microsoft representative had told my boss that the operating and support costs would actually go down. And my boss had fully bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
Tough times hit our company in the last month, and we were forced to lay off a few of the less experienced IS/IT workers. One of them took this rather hard. As a last minute attempt at corporate sabotage, he decided to change all of the Computer Administrator passwords on a few of the XP Professional boxes sitting around in the server room. This caused absolute havoc, as Dell had failed to send along administrator passwords for the new boxes. Our company could not make use of these computers for three days. It took Dell that long to get us the administrator passwords. It is strictly because of Microsoft's poor implementation of a multi-user computing environment that our company lost three days of productivity.
Needless to say, I had our quad Xeons back running OpenBSD by the end of the week. Gerbil is back on its way to another glorious 3 years of uptime.
This release is codenamed "La lluvia en Sevilla es una maravilla", which babelfish translates to "Rain in Seville is a wonder". Any spanish speakers here that can tell us, what it really means? :-)
Tastes great and is less filling when run
on FreeBSD!
I can't stand the pop-up window when I insert a CD and their anti-aliased-sans-serif font.
Me wants screenshots. I am too lazy to look for them so someone please link to some. Gnome's website is so worthless.
You should make them - if you have the brains to compile software, you have the brains to package it. As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions.
Its a rip off of Aqua.
Just a tweak on Pure Apple Innovation.
GARNOME seems like a pretty sweet deal, should give people running less mainstream versions of linux or other *n*x's a chance to run Gnome. Has anyone tried this, i'm interested in the results, very interested.
Dick Laurent is dead.
Wow, I'm impressed nobody has posted links to screenshots yet!
Here you go: http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/images/
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unrmitting gloom hngs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
I'm pretty new to Linux (I've ran it since January as a primary OS.. before I had it installed but only dicked around with it once and awhile) and I've been trying to figure this out for awhile.
What are the main differences between Gnome and KDE?
I use KDE because it seems a lot more natural for me, with a lot more tools to change stuff around with. I go over to Gnome sometimes, and I wonder what difference there is between KDE and Gnome. They look the same, they have a similar 'feel'.. I personally don't see the difference.
(note; this is not a troll, this is something I am legitimately wondering about)
use opera
its more standards compliant
its way way faster
you cat turn off images/new images on teh fly
you can disable popups on the fly
it does email
it doesn't muck around with MSHTML
its safer than IE
and thats just what I can think of off the top of my head
Gnome is in bed with M$. Who gives a rat's ass what they do?
Also, I really like the GNOME file selector -- any hope of ever seeing that in QT?
How in the world do you linux people put up with those shitty ass fonts?
Those screenshots for the new Gnome have just about the ugliest fonts I've ever seen in my life, next to the rest of linux that is.
I just have trouble believing that in the year 2002 you guys still don't have nice hinted fonts shipping and in-use by default with X.
I'm looking at these screenshots on my Titanium PowerBook G4, and I just glance back and forth between the screenshots and Aqua, and I laugh.
Justin Dubs
The possibility of a complete beer freeze at GUADEC...
:-)
Wouldn't that be; the threat of a complete beer freeze?
Slashdot's avoiding this one....Microsoft released a shared-source port of .NET tools on FreeBSD. Check it out here.
If we were to state that the slashdot editors are hypocritical assholes, we'd be correct. They can also FUCK OFF.
Thank you.
Beta 3 Release Status ("Pretty Crap"), Jeff Waugh
BETA 3: Where have all the tarballs gone?, Jeff Waugh
HEADS-UP: maintainers way overdue tarballs, Sander Vesik
Just looking at Gnome (and KDE) you can tell linux is for developers...cause it sucks so bad. Does anybody have the guts to say that Gnome, from a desktop users' standpoint is total garbage and looks like an 8th grader designed it even without the chicken scratch fonts?
There IS a reason why professional desktop designers make money designing for Apple (and Microsoft, even tho XP and its color scheme is horrid an unusable--even windows 95 is better than Gnome). It just goes to show, you get what you pay for, or don't pay for.
So we read today of a beta 3 release of Gnome, and it gets lead story status. But when the world's largest monopoly releases a million lines of code, designed to run on one unix, but specifically designed to attack two other technologies (Java and linux), /. refuses to run a story. This is OUTRAGEOUS .
/. coverage?
The release of Rotor is one of the biggest challenges Linux will face. It may be the beginning of the end of Java on the desktop (though embedded and enterprise Java should remain ok). It's a direct slap to Java. It's a tempting poison to FreeBSD that many are falling for. But where's the
XML with CSS looks great in Opera. .1% is Frontpage crap that barely works in Moz.
Flash works
Crossover plugin works (quicktime et al)
99.9% of all sites work.
That other
Very easy and intuiitive system for defining your custom document settings, you just pick a tag, and tell it what font you want, i.e. H1=whatever H2=whatever PRE=whatever.
It's cheap.
If it crashes, it saves your place 90% of the time, and you don't have to search for the pages again.
Cookie handling is nice, with white and black lists on server or domain, and also it flushes all cookies on exit by default, unless you explicitely said that cookie could stick around.
Major Con:
Printing doesn't work. Ever. I have never gotten printing to work on Red Hat Linux with Opera. Come on guys, it couldn't be that hard to fix.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
<head>
<title>CmdrTaco sucks cock</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>CmdrTaco enjoys giving head to all his cronies, including Homos, Cowboi Kneel, Timmah, and Slashdot resident fairy, Jon Katz.</p>
</body>
</html>
i mean it, really, fuck them!
ugh, i am angry
I wish someone could create packages of GNOME2 for FreeBSD.
This is what j00r tuition and fees are funding:
:
OVERCOMING MASTURBATION
distributed by... LDS Church at Brigham Young University
The attitude a person has toward his problem has an effect on how easily it is overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it.
We are taught that our bodies are temples of God, and are to be clean so that the Holy Ghost may dwell within us. Masturbation is a sinful habit that robs one of the Spirit and creates guilt and emotional stress. It is not physically harmful unless practiced in the extreme. It is a habit that is totally self-centered, and secretive, and in no way expresses the proper use of the procreative power given to man to fulfill eternal purposes. It therefore separates a person from God, and defeats the gospel plan.
This self-gratifying activity will cause one to lose his self-respect and feel guilty and depressed, which can in the extreme lead to further sinning. As a person feels spiritually unclean, he loses interest in prayer, his testimony becomes weak, and missionary work and other Church callings become burdensome, offering no joy and limited success.
To help in planning an effective program to overcome the problem, a brief explanation is given of how the reproductive organs in a young man function.
The testes in your body are continuously producing hundreds of millions of reproductive cells called spermatozoa. These are moved up a tube called the vas deferens to a place called the ampulla where they are mixed with fluids from two membranous pouches called seminal vesicles and the prostate gland. The resultant fluid is called semen. When the seminal vesicles are full a signal is sent to the central nervous system indicating they are ready to be emptied. The rate at which this filling takes place varies greatly from one person to another, depending on such things as diet, exercise, state of health, etc. For some it may be several times a week, for others twice a month, and for others hardly ever.
It is normal for the vesicles to be emptied occasionally at night during sleep. This is called a "wet dream". The impulses that cause the emptying come from the central nervous system. Often an erotic dream is experienced at the same time, and is part of the normal process. If a young man has constantly masturbated instead of letting nature take its course, the reproductive system is operating at a more rapid pace, trying to keep up with the loss of semen. When he stops the habit, the body will continue to produce at this increased rate for an indefinite period of time, creating sexual tensions and pressure. These are not harmful and are to be endured until the normal central nervous system's pathway of release is once again established.
During this period of control several things can be done to make the process easier and more effective. As one meets with his priesthood leader, a program for overcoming masturbation can be implemented using some of the suggestions which follow. Remember it is essential that a regular report program be agreed on, so progress can be recognized and failures understood and eliminated.
SUGGESTIONS
1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out loud when the temptations are the strongest.
2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. These exercises reduce emotional tensions and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.
3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell stop to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a pre-chosen scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.
4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year, and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation.
5. Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations.
6. Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents.
7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking with them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.
8. Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated, or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc.
9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self-control color that day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self-control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.
10. A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter-activities.
11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act.
12. During your shower activities, leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers.
13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity such as an invigorating masturbation session.
14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before going to bed or before masturbating. Urinating right after masturbation can be annoying or moderately painful.
15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night.
16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding.
17. Avoid people, situations, pictures, or reading materials that might create sexual excitement.
18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases.
19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half-asleep.
20. Set up a reward system for your successes. It does not have to be a big reward. A quarter in a receptacle each time you overcome or reach a goal. Spend it on something which delights you and will be a continuing reminder of your progress.
21. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan never gives up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment.
STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION
1. Be assured that you can be cured of your difficulty. Many have been, both male and female, and you can be also if you determine that it must be so.
2. This determination is the first step. That is where we begin. You must decide that you will end this practice, and when you make that decision, the problem will be greatly reduced at once maybe later.
But it must be more than a hope or a wish, more than knowing that it is good for you. It must be actually a DECISION. If you truly make up your mind that you will be cured, then you will have the strength to resist any tendencies which you may have and any temptations which may come to you. After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines:
1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes
5. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.
6. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.
7. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes--just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.
8. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove this protective clothing, you will have sufficiently controlled your thinking and the temptation will leave you.
9. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You change the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.
10. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of your mind. Remember--"first a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.
11. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books--Church books-scriptures--sermons of the brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of scripture, preferable from one of the four gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four gospels--Matthew, Mark, Luke and John--above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.
12. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the scriptures, pray for the missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER--NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT OUT of your mind!
Yeah Opera may be better, but why would I want a browser that inserts spyware from Cydoor Technologies? Their ad-system inputs a unique id in the software and is capable of sniffing your web browsing habits. Just look at their website. It includes this information harvested from Opera users:
Reach 300,000,000 impressions
Primary Age 18 - 30
Gender 73% Male | 27% Female
Income $35k -$60k
Education College
Fsck that. I'll stick with Mozilla.
Anyone care to share their opinion on or review the GAR build system ?
Augh! Frozen beer!
If you can't take the foam and ice, the waiting for it to thaw is hell when it's the last you've got!
satire, n: 1) witty language used to convey insults or scorn; 2) a form of humor lost on most slashdot moderators.
In case you didn't know, Opera will only send information voluntarily. Opera doesn't harvest anything. You can set up your ad preferences to receive targeted ads, but these are disabled by default. The user actually has to enter information manually, and the information cannot be traced back to the user. In addition to this, Opera has run user surveys to find out who their users are. Cydoor have simply picked this information up from Opera's web pages.
Not only that, but Opera doesn't contain a single line of Cydoor code. The ad module is 100% written by Opera's own developers, and the only thing the ad module does is to download ads. It even sends and receives information from the ad servers in plain text, so anyone can look at what is being transmitted.
But that's not all. Cydoor no longer produce spyware. There is a myth online which never seems to die, and that is that Cydoor are into spyware. They did spy on their users at one point, but not anymore.
Your lies about Opera are, frankly, disgusting. You can even see what Opera writes about this and read exactly what the ad module in Opera actually does. But you don't care about facts, do you?
Gnome+Opera is a great combination, despite Opera using Qt!
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why does gnone insist on have such LARGE icons by default?? the menu bar is HUGE, the icons take up the rest of the desktop. 1024x768++ looks like CRAP to the default desktop because of some need for HUGE default icons, menu bars. Sure you could resize it all....
but there shouldnt be a reason for a default install to make everyting that large.
oh, and GAR is a typo, it actually meant GAY
I don't really believe that. With configure scripts, compiling is really easy. I am very incompetent, but I can compile GNOME from sources (not from GARNOME). Still, I've never managed to create binary packages for any distro (even though I've tried).
Please explain how the truth warrants a -1 Troll
+5 Informative for anyone who can either point out links to
1) Precompiled binaries made from a Garnome (if it's not too giant)
2) RPMs that will coexist nicely with Gnome 1.4
3) Instructions on how to get Gnome 2 from the Mandrake cooker (yes, it's there) but avoiding the conflicts with gnome 1.4 (and without removing Gnome 1.4)
Asking the user to require 1.1Gbs of build space seems rather excessive! Even the "206Mbs once installed" seems large
Wonder if the group Pink Martini could be commissioned to whip out a quick and dirty GNOME2 Beta3 theme song. The title seems right up their alley.
RFC2119
Why would I want to package software? Who am I distributing it to?
"...and generally behaved in a manner one can only describe as despicable." - February 27 2001, Michael Sims
I'd like a bergen and soda, please...
The only accurate way I can describe the event of KDE3, Gnome2 and Moz1 all coming out within a month or so of each other is as some sort of "open source orgasm". Sigh.
(sung to the sound of ska sucks, by Propaghandi)
GNOME sucks. GNOME isn't cool you stupid fuck.
Ximian is only in it for the bucks.
And if you don't believe me you're a schmuck.
But the trend will die out with any luck.
Yo Ho. Yo Ho.
Miguel, a message to you Miguel, a message to you Miguel.
Fuck you Miguel!
If you moderate this, you're wasting points.
(sung to the sound of ska sucks, by Propaghandi)
GNOME sucks. GNOME isn't cool you stupid fuck.
Ximian is only in it for the bucks.
And if you don't believe me you're a schmuck.
But the trend will die out with any luck.
Yo Ho. Yo Ho.
Miguel, a message to you Miguel, a message to you Miguel.
Fuck you Miguel!
Seems to me that Nautilus is roughly at the functionality level of old Konqueror 1.0. Any word on when serious progress is going to be made?
Enlightenment is dead! Once herald by the gnome world as the default manager. Now useless and and disgraced Raster who now wanders the streets of Sydney looking for work.....Syd Barrett could do better than Raster
Mandrake, has switch all his computers to xp, decrying that his code was once good. And as for the rest of E crew..well they switch to afterstep after seeing what raster had in mind.
$ cd themes/gnome ../sawfish /usr/share/sawfish/0.30/themes
$ tar zxvf gnome-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ cd
$ tar zxvf sawfish-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ su
# cp *.tar.gz
# exit
$ gnomecc
Then I select the themes I want and off I go. Takes about two minutes. Of course, that's because I've got a collection of my favorite GTK and Sawfish themes (and wallpapers too actually) that I just keep lying around in tarballs for whenever I need them, but I always figured that was a sensible thing to do...
And with that said, GNOME 1.4 by default was a heck of a lot prettier than 1.2; that ugly old default GTK theme just needs to be buried and forgotten. And I don't know what 2.0 will look like by default, but I imagine it won't be too bad.
I wonder if "bonobo-activation-0.9.6.tar.bz2" is anything like Window XP activation. And if it isn't why would they pick such a confusing name?
Are the packages in debian/unstable yet? Which bits do you need to install (and remove) to upgrade to gnome2?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
When last I tried Gnome, it was slow and
featureless in comparison to KDE3rc3. I'm
quite willing to switch over to Gnome, if
it becomes a better productivity environment,
and consumes less resources, but I'm concerned
that until someone who is willing and able to
leave their dull axes in the closet for a while
can make a comprehensive feature and performance
comparison, both Gnome and KDE users alike will
have little practical choice but to continue in
their current environment.
Therefore, I ask: Can anyone recommend a
reasonably thorough and objective comparison of
Gnome 2 and KDE 3?
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
It appeared failed to work on recent versions of GNOME I tested with RedHat (7.2) and YDL (2.1). GNOME applications work fine locally as well as with delivering a whole remote desktop through XDM request. But let's consider if I don't need whole remote desktop and all I need is to run just one Gnome application using remote X11. It doesn't work. Some of GNOME application work after some hacking of user profile variables. If Gnome is up on that remote computer.
Gnome may try to catch M$-win and it is wrong plan. The strategy should be not in catching M$ desktop strongest features and not in giving up with desktop in favour of servers. The stategy should be to win M$ users where M$ is the weakest. Network - that's the key. M$ (same as Apple) has been refusing TCP/IP as long as they can. The design of M$ windows traditionally was not networked. Only recently (comparing to X11) M$ started work on VNC. So, let's beat M$ on networked desktop segment!
Seems like obvious strategy. What do we see instead? Gnome wants to refuse X11 and work directly on kernel graphical drivers. That's insane! That's the way to do things from scratch. I understand middleware experiments with CORBA and COM. But what's wrong with X11? Today you refuse X11 server, tomorrow you re-write kernel drivers for GNOME and you bind desktop with the kernel - welcome back to M$-win.
Think more. Do referendum polls among Linux, BSD and other X11 users. But don't be stupid. Unless your decisions are already pre-paid from M$ bank account but I don't want to believe in such nightmare.
Give me something wicked fast and utterly reliable. I run K on two low end PCs and frankly it kind of sucks from a usability perspective given its sluggishness.
Why would I want to package software?
Ahem...
"As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions."
Who am I distributing it to?
Besides the abovementioned benefits, if you were a social, community minded sort of fellow (which I suggest from the subject line of your post you are not) then you might wish to help other users of your OS / distribution by distributing source / binary packages.