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Sun Reconsidering Solaris 9 for x86
jeffphil writes "This article reports that Sun is meeting with a group of Solaris x86 users called the 'Secret Six.' The group was created to convince Sun to re-examine its previous decision to cancel Solaris on the x86 platform."
As compared to the "OS/2 Only Six?"
Scott McNealy showed up to the meeting in a penguin outfit.
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solaris for x86 is good for those who are teaching themselves solaris and dont want to spend god knows how much for an overpriced sun box. Kinda nice to throw it on your test box, teach yourself solaris, and be able to get an admin job that way.
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
So again, I reiterate, who cares?
If you bothered to read the article, you surely would've found this:
One analyst said Solaris on Intel is of particular help for users looking to create large-scale symmetric multiprocessing systems on low-cost hardware.
I can subscribe to that; linux is not (yet) a match for Solaris/i386 on SMP.
The sad part is that a lot of companies stopped producing "third-party" software for Solaris/i386 when Sun annouced it's demise; even if they change their minds now, the chances are slim for popular support for the platform.
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I think it would be very nice if Sun offered both Solaris and Linux on its new lines of low-end servers.
Solaris shops can purchase these servers knowing they will work very well in their workplace, and Linux shops can purchase these servers knowing they will work very well in their workplace.
Solaris can also help Sun differentiate their Intel-based products from those offered by other companies, such as Compaq and IBM. I know the Sun Intel servers will be better (with the familiar RAS features, etc.), but it might be hard to convince the PHBs that this is the case (since they are too used to bending over for M$ and cheap PCs).
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I didn't think x86 solaris had that many users.
I spent under $70 and got myself a SPARC to learn on... an old IPX, and they dropped support for sun4c after Solaris 7, but the point is you can get some good experience from cheap hardware on eBay.
Sun should release the source code to Solaris x86 under the GPL. It'd squash linux like a bug.
Slowaris stopped being the best Unix about three years ago. Linux, with all its warts, is better now.
The problem with Solaris for the x86 is that it was overpriced.
I wonder if Sun would consider Open Sourcing Solaris. They give it away for free as it is and only charge for support. If they put it under a GPL type license they are now alleiviated of much of the development costs and still keep a large share of the support market. In fact that will likely increase the user base which would also increase their support revenues not to mention the huge brownie points they'll get from the development community. I don't know if it would be as profitable as the license fee the secret six proposed but it's definatly better than just letting it die.
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A sunblade 100 workstation can be had for $1k anyone who can afford a pc and is learning solaris should be able to aford one.
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A discussion here at Slashdot on how ppl became Unix admins was a good starting point for me. Before this, my old firm standardised on Solaris on Intel. Granted, there are few advantages aside from the ones already mentioned, but I do think it helps to see how other entities (the BSDs, commercial and OSS) as well as Sun approach the Unix methodology and architecture differently.
I had always meant to download Solaris8 from Sun, and I stupidly missed doing so by some two days. If this happens, I intend to reactivate my Solaris license and rip that sucker to disk, just so I can mess around with it. Practical, no. Interesting enough, definitely.
There's also the 'hire me' factor - I'm sure that while there is no shortage of Linux/BSD-capable admins, HR-robots probably generally don't consider this when they look for people with Solaris abilities. Not a good thing, but that's life.
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Sun: So..Lets uh.... lets go over our findings so far.
S6: Ok..Here's uh..here's what we've got so far. Between the uh..the six of us...uh, 1 of us has heard of Solaris for x86. That would be uh... 18% of the population."
Sun: Fantastic. 18%. Wow. Management is gonna love that. 18.. wow....18% of the... wow. The new "insanity first" initiative here at the company is going to get off to a...uh..to a really, really impressive start. You know, just uh...acting like Linux doesnt exist just wont cut it anymore. We need to be REALLY insane this quarter... We need to uhh...raise the bar on....you know, management says "we need more insanity" and we need to deliver. We cant be insane enough, if you ask me....So.. Lets not only act like Linux doesnt exist, but lets get really crazy. But lets keep it sane. Crazy, but sane. uhh..Ok. Can I have a graph of your figures? Y'know, uhh..something to show them..?"
S6: Uhh.. Sure, here you go. A graph that shows that 18% of us have heard of Solaris for x86."
Sun: Fantastic. Ok, before I..before I uh...hand in my reccomendation on going forward with Solaris 9 for x86, lets uh..lets recap. Ok. We need to be insane. We need 10% minimum.. So you're uh...you're saying we meet both, uh..exceed both. Right?
S6: Uhh..yeah. Yes, definately. We've got a final figure of 18%, and we're insane. Thats correct.
Sun: Great. Ok, one minor concern.. This line here, this graph is sort of..uh..flat.. Its just a flat line going..uh..across the page. Can we do anything with that to uh...make it..you know, more uh..positive?
S6: Here. Let me show you.. (papers ruffled)
Sun: You guys are incredible. Thanks so much. How about we uh....tenatively, 9 AM tomorrow? We'll go over our results. I..uh...yeah, 9 AM sounds good for me.
S6: Ok. 5PM? Sounds good. 3PM. Gotcha.
Sun: Gotcha. 11:21 AM. See you then, gang.
Cheers,
Bowie J. Poag
oh please. Sure, Linux is much better for small x86 boxes especially for desktop use. Solaris scales to 106 processors last time I checked. Linux, with all its design flaws, won't come close to that for awhile.
And before you label me as a troll, know that I am an avid Linux user and have great respect for it. However its got a lot of technical hurdles to clear before you can say "Linux is better than Solaris".
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1k sure seems like a lot to me to be able to learn one operating system... Other then it would be cool to have I don't have 1k sitting around to drop on yet one more computer...
Just when I thought I had the last version of Solaris Intel 02/02 on DVD in Beta form.
Key word for Solaris x86... LAPTOPS! How else are you going to easily show %customer% your product without lugging around a Blade 100 everywhere?
Just compile your app for Intel and show it to them. iirc SparcBooks are pretty rare now..
Solaris scales to 106 processors last time I checked.
As if that was a common requirement, as in:
Gee, honey do you think is time to upgrade junior's 106 processor box?,
or
Mr. Smithers, get the CTO to the office. Its time to order another dozen 106 processor boxes.
Well to learn irix you would have to drop a ton more, to learn hpux same, for tru64 a bunch, for mac osx about the same amount etc. The only os's you wouldn't have to are linux, bsd, and aix. Just about no other common os's have ports to x86, especially not ones that will progress your career.
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Kudo's to Sun on this one.
It's not that I'm all that fond of x86, I just love the example that they are setting here. They make an executive decision, there is a public uproar, and they stop and reconsider.
Even if they don't decide to continue supporting x86, they have given us a clear signal that they are listening to our opinions, and are willing to negotiate/cooperate with the community.
That is what is missing in some Monopolies that have had a lot of media coverage lately. Some companies will do things that no one likes, completely ignore everyones complaints, and then pretend as if everyone was in favor of it the whole time.
More big companies should have an approch like Sun's.
Sigs are out of style, so I'm not going to use one...oh wait..
Just like if the RIAA were to suddenly come out with thier own MP3 download system, it wouldn't work well because they were too sluggish and let the market saturate with the competitor's product. There will be a market for this, or course, but it will be very small. Linux has eaten up everyon who wants intel unix. Some people may want solaris on intel so they can cheaply test out stuff they are eventually oing to put on thier big iron, but the average user will already have thier needs met.
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Hmmm ... I bet that Sun could save a crapload of more money by dedicating a few engineers to improve Linux on SPARC, instead of cancelling/reviving Solaris x86 everytime someone up there thinks its a good idea.
CS students write programs in college.
CS students need a platform to develop on.
Sun hardware is expensive.
Intel hardware is cheap.
Linux runs on Intel.
Solaris runs...uh, ran...on Intel.
College kids develop on LinTel.
College kids get job at big company and buy LinTel.....not Sun.
-ted
2.2GHz Uniprocessor x86 chips can smoke 4-way Solaris Sparc chips [...]
Heloooo... the story is about Solaris on x86. I won't go in the "Sparc vs. x86" argument, which is off-topic, but instead reiterate that on SMP x86, Solaris smokes Linux. Maybe sad, but true.
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I bet that Sun could save a crapload of more money by dedicating a few engineers to improve Linux on SPARC
Obviously they are not so sure. I mean, they don't want linux on sparc, period. Solaris/sparc is a cash-cow right now, you just don't play/fool around with something like this.
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You might be surprised. Pixar Studios, for example, uses Sun Enterprise 10000 machines for rendering their movies (so I was told this 6 months ago by one of their chief animators). Those max out at 106 processors per box, and Pixar has over 3000 CPU's. Do the math to figure out how many boxes that is. And maybe such a conversation did indeed take place:
Mr. Smithers, get the CTO in here right now. Our animators say that Monster, Inc. is going to take another 3 months to render. Get some more of those 106-processor Sun boxes right now!
Finally, to those who wonder why they don't use clusters instead of SMP machines? Pixar's rendering software algorithms are optimized for fine-grained communication patterns and simply would not work on a message-passing cluster.
PHB's with an irrational fear of Free Software can use it to deploy Unix on cheap commodity hardware. I worked for such a PHB once. Like any company, they were somewhat stingy. They were a Solaris shop interested in deploying a number of servers on "cheap x86 hardware".
Originally, they were going to reluctantly deploy onto Linux because cost. However, when the gratis version of Solaris x86 was announced they switched so fast you could have gotten whiplash.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
In what alternate universe?
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
... a Beowulf cluster of... erm. Nevermind.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
If you have a REAL budget, then x86 Solaris is largely irrelevant.
Any x86 machine with enough cpu's to give even the 2.0 Linux kernel problems will likely be in the same pricerange as a better sparc box.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Back when I was in college, I did a similar survey of the women on campus. 94% said they would sleep with me within 90 days. Turns out that they were only interested in getting a free copy of Solaris.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
I am pretty sure that a company I used to work for, NCR, is one of the six. They build and sell really big MPP database servers. They need an extremely reliable and _trusted_ OS to run on these servers (which run in a loosely coupled configuration -- remember MTBF is the product of the MTBF of all the parts) and they don't want to support their own flavor of *nix just for their own niche product. In their particular market, telling customers that they run these special, expensive, multi-terabyte databases on linux is not gonna cut it. Solaris for x86 is just the ticket for them. I believe that they have customers running solaris 8 for x86 so SUN's decision to back away from this OS really puts NCR (and potentially their customers) in a bind.
Have a NICE day.
Ditto for HP 735's and similar boxes.
You could have working examples of both boxes for under $500 total.
(don't know about tru64.)
I hear that OSX requries a big honking Mac, so that's going to cost you more :)
There hasn't been a PC port of AIX for quite some time, as far as I know.
As far as *nix's go, once you know one, you're well on your way to learning them all. By itself, Linux on a resume doesn't mean too much, but if you know Linux, a few hours playing with a Sun will teach you enough to add `Solaris' to that resume ...
The reason that Sun sells the blade for something near a competitive price is that it is composed of mostly (shoddy) standardized PC components. If you want a machine just to run Solaris, one would be better off with a used SPARCstation 5 or 20--superior quality, cheaper ~100, and better supported by Linux and *BSD for when Solaris runs out of usefulness for ya...
She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist.
Jean-Paul Sartre
I use it to compliment my SPARC. I love it. All I need now is a second hand RS/6000 and I'm in bidness!
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As for which one is `the best', that's a very tough question -- there's so many variables. Ultimately, it boils down to which is the best for this one application. If this one application involved a 100 cpu box, Solaris will probably beat Linux. If it's a desktop PC (and sitting on somebody's desk), Linux has a very good chance of being better.
For the record, you heard wrong. It runs just fine on any colorful mac - you probably want to give it a fair bit of RAM but I know people who are relatively happy with it in 64MB, your mileage probably will vary. :)
I'm calling bullshit. Solaris was perfectly usable for me. The thing that was slowing it down was swapping to the IDE hard drive. It would probably fly on my new box with SCSI drives.
"Don't worry, it's not loaded." --Terry Kath
AIX is the best UNIX in my opinion. WHy? Simply because it has SMIT. I was thinking of making a Linux port of smitty. smitty is a GUI (or a CLI) frontend for pratically EVERY command you will ever use.From creating logical volumes to setting up networking.Everything. You honestly never have to touch a command prompt if you use SMIT.
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I believe you. However the man I spoke with seemed to think that RenderMan wasn't effective on clusters. He might be in bed with Sun though...
Check the E10K. I believe its 106 but I may be wrong. However that's a hardware issue. Solaris does such fine-grained locking that they could probably scale beyond 106 given a piece of hardware.
I run Solaris on a Dell Optiplex GX1 and everything worked out of the box. I run my webserver, my cvs server and Java runs 200x faster on a Solaris machine. (Go figure). I happen to like CDE. Every now and then, I'll surf the web with it. x86 just doesnt have Netscape 6.1 yet. But it has Mozilla so it doesnt matter.
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I'm one of the biggest proponents for Linux, but I believe the right tool for the right job. You can NOT compare a Sun E10000 running Solaris with ANYTHING! Maybe a monster RS/6000 running AIX, but it's still running a commercial UNIX. If you've just spent $1.8 million on a Sun Enterprise, I'm pretty sure you can spring the $99 for Solaris. At my last job, I had to build, order and implement the IBM S80, a 24-way system. I installed SUSE Linux on it just for fun. But then had to put AIX back on to do the real hairy HACMP shit.
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I installed Solaris x86 w/o a hitch. It was easier than a Mandrake install! I have it on a Dell Optiplex GX1. It is slower than Solaris on a SPARC, but I mean SPARCs are 64 bit!!
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
What I can tell from 90% of the posts so far, that the people who rip on Solaris are actual UNIX neophytes. The closest thing to UNIX that ANY of these numbnuts have ever touched was Linux. Maybe if they got out of their bedroom and got a job in the REAL world, they'll see that UNIX drives the world. Not Microsoft,not even Linux. Whether it be Solaris, AIX or HP/UX.I love Linux, but it's not the be all, end all. I doubt half the people who are giving sneers have ever SEEN CDE besides the clone xfce on Linux (and I doubt that!) How many of the people sneering at Solaris are using IE6 to post? Hmm?
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Sun made Solaris 8 available for home/non-commercial use a while ago, and you could download .iso files. They subsequently removed the .iso files from their web site, and now you have to purchase a media kit.
.iso files?
Does anyone have a link to a mirror of the
I think Solaris x86 is most helpful for this type of situation where companies are deploying in-house created custom apps, not looking for commercial software to target the platform.
A serious x86 is not going to be signifcantly cheaper than Sun gear. This is especially true for hardware that is actually supported rather than just cobbled together from spare parts. Even 4 CPU or 32G motherboard is still enough in the PC "highend" that the usual x86 economies of scale simply don't apply.
Your anecdote is dated at best.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
We have had some interesting bugs with solaris 8 that we never had with 7. In fact we probably will be staying away from solaris 8 on our next project. Any one else having troubles with qfe nics???? I mean if you snoop it off the network and it says one thing and then the interace says another............that can't be a good thing.
This is not to say that the memory bandwidth on a Sunfire does not make any x86 box look pathetically anemic.
Linux has it's place in the lowend, Solaris sparc has it's place in the midrange and high-end, and Solaris x86 is a nice pair of training wheels.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Me too...I'm a professional AIX administrator (also Solaris, Irix and (ick) Win2K.) I love smitty. Wanna setup a site on Sourceforge and get started? :-P
All those interested, e-mail me.
My journal has hot
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I run Solaris x86 on a Dell Optiplex GX1. It installed without a hitch. I also have a SUn SparcSation 5 I got off of Ebay for $100. It's a headless system. (Truth be known, I'm accessing my solaris box remotely. (X
I administer all my home servers (I run 10 servers!) and administer them all thru one monitor. The joys of *NIX. So there is a t least ONE person on slashdot who uses Solaris_x86!
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Lisa: Um, Dad, according to the Mexican Council of Foods, this expired 2 years ago.
Homer: But...*gag*...its...*cough*...so cheap.
Solaris x86 is the best way to get students and young admins exposed to Sun. It gets them exposed to a product that is merely the little sibling of the "real product". THAT, is what Sun will make money on.
More kids running Solaris x86 == More adults BUYING Solaris Sparc
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Even though sun doesnt officially "support" laptops, Solaris still runs on a heck of a lot of em.
http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/x86-laptops.html
They only offer their free Solaris license for 2= CPU systems and not for commercial applications, iirc. (I'm honestly much to lazy to reread their license to confirm :)
In my opinion, its more likely they are distributing an x86 version for free to get more people using it on regular PCs to learn it. That way, there will be lots of people able to admin it and recommend their companies to purchase Sun's higher end SPARC server hardware.
solaris for x86 is good for those who are teaching themselves solaris and dont want to spend god knows how much for an overpriced sun box. Kinda nice to throw it on your test box, teach yourself solaris, and be able to get an admin job that way.
Get real, its certainly not good for that. No MSCE is going to be able to competently administer a Solaris workgroup by piddling around with Solaris for x86. Most applications (that mean anything) are not available on the x86 port. While I'm sure a couple of intrepid souls have gotten the foot into the door that way, its about as relevant as getting that admin job from piddling on linux boxes.
The selling point of x86 Solaris is compatibility of the interface. Instead of paying $1.5-3K USD for a solaris workstation for your non-programmers, you can recycle a commercially prevalent (Compaq, Dell) PC and use it as the desktop to whatever UNIX applications you want to run. This product made a lot more sense when workstations were going for $5K, but its not really the case today. But you can get by on a linux client anyway
I think the "Secret Six" need their heads examined. Solaris for x86 may be a cute toy, but standardization of interface certainly isn't a motivation for Sun to bleed programmer salaries to maintain x86 Solaris 9. Not unless there was a sustainable market of anti-Linux commercial purchasers. (Even then, if customers were anal enough about their interface to pay money for an x86 license, they would probably be anal enough to buy a Sun workstation.)
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Linux doesn't even do SMP that well. You will get better SMP performance from an XP or Win2K box. That's partly what convinced me not to bother getting a dual Athlon PC. Hopefully, Linux 2.6 may deliver a stable NUMA implementation and efficient pthread performance.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Would this make Linux irrelevant instantaneously?
If we could wrap a scalable, sound, SMP-capable GPL kernel around Debian or Red Hat, would we think twice?
Or what if Sun were to release and maintain free Solaris for Itanium as well as x86? Would that be the kiss of death for HP-UX and AIX 5L? Why do they hesitate?
Granted, the Solaris kernel has weaknesses. UFS has to go. I hate /etc/system, I'd much rather tune on the fly with 2.4. patchchk is what up2date was several years ago. Sun's continued reliance on CDE/ksh/zip to get everything done really makes me ill. Solaris needs to be the UNIX of the 21st century.
What is the possibility of Sun convincing Apple to integrate large portions of Solaris into Mac OS X? Would they be willing to give it away to Apple? Why haven't they done so to build up market share?
I am a Sun stockholder. I would like to see Sun publicly considering these actions. I want to see some bombast from Steve and Bill. If Sun, Apple, and possibly AOL collaberate on an x86-os, they will kill Microsoft.
Sun needs to wake up to the potential of its own power. As it stands, they are difficult to distinguish from roadkill.
Bottom line: RTFM. Solaris x86 isn't a hacker toy like linux, it's a real tool for real work, that really not too many people will ever need.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
SGI were/are doing work on linux on the MIPS Origin 2k machines to prepare for the IA-64 Origin 3k and have linux running on 64 node 128 CPU Origin 2k, see:
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/LinuxScalability/
--paulj
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
As a matter of fact, Solaris completely kicks linux's ass when it comes to handling large loads. When overloaded, linux will sieze and stop, but solaris just degrades gracefully. You mean you don't have system loads in the 100.0-300.0 range? We did frequently at my last job.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
what kind of waffle is that?
Linux 2.4 handily beats Win2k for SMP (eg linux holds the specweb record). pthread? Linux again pisses all over for Win2k for thread creation.
NUMA? what in the name of gods does good NUMA support have to do with plain low-end SMP?
--paulj
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I would have to agree. I started my UNIX experience back in '89. Solaris 7 I noticed was faster, less buggy. I can pinpoint it exactly. It also seemed like in 8 they moved too much crap around. They took away ldconfig and added crle! That pissed me off!
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Sun Enterprise 10000 machines, [t]hose max out at 106 processors per box
E10Ks max out at 64 processors per box. The E15K maxes out at 105.
In the immortal words of Socrates, who said; 'I drank what?'
It isn't like you HAVE to use smitty. It just makes life on AIX so much easier. At my last job, I was administering 5 diff UNICES , and using SMIT made my job alot easier. Who can remember all the command line switches for adding and resizing logical volumes? smitty is a blessing. You DO have to understand UNIX to use it however.
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
Well, since I've been using UNIX since 1989, the answer would be no. I hate solstice/sam. It's a joke. I know where everything is on a UNIX system. SMIT just makes your life easier. When you have a battery of 100 servers to admin, you'll appreciate smitty
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
OK, these people want to use cheap hardware, but they're using Solaris because they think they're too stupid to deal with Linux. If you were Sun, would you want to be liable for supporting these people? Talk about the 1% of the customer base that generates 99% of the support costs... If you had sold them Sun boxes, at least you'd know the hardware worked, not to mention having gotten some money from them.
...at least according to all the tests I've seen.
One of the best little known firewalls to be found, and it is FREE on Solaris. This thing kicks the snot out of PIX and many other firewalls in a standalone configuration (it isn't too great for a large deployment of firewalls because it has no distributed management capability, ohwell). It has a real firewall front-end and frankly is one of the worst cases of mis-marketted technology next to the Alpha CPU. If you have Solaris 8, go download a copy of sunscreen and try it out, it rocks.
So if you wanted a GOOD firewall, cheap; dont think linux, BSD or any other variant. Until recently you could get x86 solaris with sunscreen.
tora
Always figured it was a bug in 'snoop'.
I do not deploy Linux. Ever.
Off topic (well, sorta)
Have you compiled MySQL with GCC under Solaris for x86? When I did (on many different boxes) the configure script thought that my g++ was a cross-compiler (while it wasn't), but gcc was OK. After many hours of searching the web and usenet, with no results at all, I thought about something like this: for the time of building MySQL I renamed g++ and made a symlink to gcc named g++ and MySQL was fine. I don't remember how I thought about it but my workaround saved the day. :)
Anyway, I wonder, do you know
what's going on?
I'm not using Solaris now,
but I'm still curious. Thanks.
~shiny
WILL HACK FOR $$$
Well, if you MUST type in the command (AIX commands have upto 25 cmd line options sometimes) you always CAN. When you are by yourself, adminning 100 machines, nobody cares if you're typing in the command or clicking a button. No one cares how l33t you are. They DO care that the machines never go down.
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
Read a book on parallel computing, and you might realize why shared-memory machines are *far* better than message-passing machines for certain applications.
Right on, but what brilliance-boy was saying in the parent was basically Linux is the best Unix. Period
Actually you are the idiot.
(1) The whole thread started by someone saying that Solaris beats Linux, something that in your brilliance you missed
(2) I stated that Linux is the best Unix(overall). The "Period" part was your own strawman. I would never say something that idiotic.
(3) It is difficult to compare complex systems, such as cars or OSes, with so many variables and applications. Yet it can be done, provided we keep in mind what the comparison means. If Nader says that a Honda Civic is better than a Ford Pinto, he means that for the average user (TM) under a reasonably common usage. However if your specialized application includes roadside fireworks, then no doubt go for the Ford Pinto.
Sunfires don't cost 100 times a 4-way PC.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I agree with your last point, but eventually college grads end up making IT decisions...people retire and then underlings get promoted. I have yet to run into any sysadmins that plan on staying at their current jobs forever.
How many IT folk disagree with the decisions of upper management? As people move up the corporate ladder their ideas and preferences move with them.
As far as Apple goes; even schools aren't using them. I work for a school and we've got one mac in the building....and it's going away soon.
I'm not anti-SUN. I used lots of SUNs at college, and they were great...but damn expensive.
-ted
Your wit got you a -1 score....great for golf, not so good on slashdot.
I can already hear the flushing sounds of your comments getting chucked when the story gets archived.
HAHA
-ted
I hear that! When I got out of college I used to implement the newest offerings from vendors....now i'm more inclined to put less glitzy, reliable as a rock type systems in place. They screw up less and I get more sleep at night.
I guess i'm getting older.
-ted