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The Most Beautiful Experiments in Physics

TheMatt writes "In this month's 'Physics World', Robert P. Crease asks the question: what is the most beautiful experiment in physics? Some criteria quoted are that it must change what people thought, must not be too complicated or expensive, and, most importantly, be within the reach of students (which leaves out Stern-Gerlach or Michelson-Morley). He also has a page at BNL reprinting the article, with a place for suggestions from the community on their opinion." I'll nominate a simple one: Foucault's Pendulum. :)

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  1. That's easy by Kappelmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once saw an experiment where a small bag made out of thin plastic was subject to the forces of a small pocket of circular wind currents.

    Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world, I just can't take it.

    1. Re:That's easy by Misha · · Score: 3, Funny

      I must say, chemistry experiments have always been more fun. The begonias start talking to you.

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  2. Got a good one... by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like the idea of exploring colored lasers.. especially synched up to Pink Floyd music ;)

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  3. Most Beautiful Physics Experiment by Gunsmithy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...comic book breasts. They break at least 3 laws of physics every day.

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  4. Here's an odd one... by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about Gallileo's hypothesis about the Feather and the Hammer that was proven on the (IIRC) Apollo 14 mission?

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    1. Re:Here's an odd one... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yea, but just try to get the student to hold still long enough to do the experament while inside of one. Lazy students, allways banging on the side of the jar trying to get oiut rather then just getting down to learning.

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  5. Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by Cally · · Score: 5, Informative

    My vote (without reading other comments) goes to Arthur Eddington's validation of Einstein's relativity by demonstrating that the sun's gravity bent the light from nearby stars. But how do you see stars when they're right next to the sun? Good lateral thinking, very ingenious...

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    1. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by mcfiddish · · Score: 2

      Was it Einstein who said "all the experiments in the world can't prove me right, but just one can prove me wrong?"

    2. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by LMCBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes it was.

      BTW, Newtonian gravity also predicts that light will bend as it passes near a large mass (if you naively assume that a photon feels the force of gravity, despite the fact that it has no mass).

      The difference is that the size of the deflection according to GR is larger by a factor of 2 than the Newtonian prediction, which is what Eddington confirmed.

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    3. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by Peaker · · Score: 2

      Actually, later reviews of that experiement showed that the experiment's error range was larger than the result itself, and was correct by sheer luck. Later a rerun of the experiement was done to prove it correct, but the original experiement could just as well have suggested the other result.

    4. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

      Photons have energy; gravity acts on energy just as well as it acts on mass. Einstein brought us that formula as well.

      Right, the "naively" applies to the Newtonian thinker, not the GR thinker. IOW, you shouldn't use relativistic concepts (mass-energy equivalence) in deriving the Newtonian prediction for the deflection of a photon passing near the Sun.

      Likewise, energy exerts a gravitational force, just like mass. A famous example of this is the precession of Mercury's orbit, caused by the corona of the sun.

      No, the famous precession of Mercury's orbit has nothing to do with the Sun's corona. Rather, it is exactly analogous to the deflection of starlight near the Sun: it is a simple manifestation of the difference between Newtonian and Relativistic gravitation. Both cases rely on the relatively deep potential well near the Sun to exaggerate the differences between the two theories. Under such extreme gravitational circumstances, Newtonian gravity deviates from reality. Relativity does not.

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    5. Re:Eddington, 1919, proving general relativity by lamontg · · Score: 2

      Actually the Eddington experimental results weren't sufficiently accurate to prove GR was correct. He got the right result but his experimental error was too large for it to be conclusive

  6. The Cavendish Experiment by mcfiddish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Henry Cavendish did an experiment to measure the gravitational constant G. He used a torsional pendulum with two small lead weights to measure the gravitational attraction of two large lead weights nearby. I did this experiment as an undergrad and got a pretty good value for G (big error bars though). It's amazing that back in the 1700s he could measure the gravitational force due to a lead ball.

    I just did a google search on "Cavendish experiment" and found this. Evidently a geologist named John Michell deserves some credit too.

  7. I nominate nuclear explosion by October_30th · · Score: 3, Insightful
    which leaves out Stern-Gerlach or Michelson-Morley

    Uh, what's the target group? I teach general freshman physics at my university and discuss both SG and MM experiments in detail.

    Anyway, I nominate the first nuclear explosion as the greatest ever experiment. Until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

    There is, in fact, a fabulous book on this subject. What makes it such a great book is that it doesn't depict the making of the atomic so much as a rigorous scientific project, but rather as a social, political, random and very much a human achievement.

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    1. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by ScuzzMonkey · · Score: 2

      I'll second your recommendation of that book--I bought it on vacation at White Sands and spent most of the rest of the trip completely absorbed in it. Fascinating account of the science and the social interaction that lead up to Trinity.

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    2. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by banuaba · · Score: 2

      Richard Rhodes certianly deserved the pulitzer he recieved for that book. His follow-up, Dark Sun (the making of the H-bomb) was also pretty good, but not as compelling of a story from the human side of things. Another excellent account of the human side of the process is Genius, by James Glick, which is about Dick Feynman.

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    3. Re:I nominate nuclear explosion by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Anyway, I nominate the first nuclear explosion as the greatest ever experiment. Until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

      I'd agree - but we're going for "most beautiful". While I'd agree that Trinity has its own sort of beauty, I'd say it falls down on two points:

      > > must not be too complicated or expensive, and, most importantly, be within the reach of students

      Even if it's within the reach of your students, it's disqualified on the grounds that it's (a) very complicated, and (b) even more expensive. Not just to build it, but to clean up after it. Building a new city to house the rebuilt university to house the rebuilt lab can get pricy, y'know.

      On the other hand, I suppose there are physics "students" working on this problem in Baghdad at the moment, and I happen to think that Baghdad is in rather desperate need of, uh, "urban renewal"... it'd look way cool on CNN if one of those were to go off in a Baghdad basement, remind the rest of the world that Some Things Are Not To Be Fucked With By People Who Don't Know What They're Doing, and simultaneously qualify as the Greatest Darwin Award in human history. I could live with that. ('Specially as I'm not downwind :)

      > until a hole is successfully opened in the spacetime, splitting the atom is the greatest scientific achievement ever.

      ...well, greatest Darwin Award until then, at any rate :) Schluuuuuuuuuuur*poof*

      So I'll one-up your fission experiment with a (Farnsworth Fusor. It's relatively safe to build, fuses hydrogen, emits detectable neutrons to confirm that you've got real, honest-to-God fusion, and looks way cool.

      (Don't expect to get breakeven with it - it's orders of magnitude too inefficient. It's just... well... kinda neat.)

      For extra safety or regulatory compliance, your students can build and run it with H2 instead of deuterium and it'll look just as cool without any emissions at all. (And it'll be just about as far from breaking even either way ;-)

      In short, the Farnsworth Fusor is rather like his other big invention (a little thing called "television", which you may have heard of) -- both inventions consume more energy than they produce, neither serves any useful function, and both look pretty cool anyway :)

  8. The Two Slit Experiment by Nomad7674 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...has to be a front-runner here. Something as simple as a piece of paper and a light source showed that classical mechanics was not enough to explain our universe and that quantum mechanics had to be invented. No computers needed, no complex aparratus, and no genius needed to explain it (today).

    Course, I am a physics freak. The biology, computer science, chemistry, etc. freaks may have their own opinions! ;-)

    1. Re:The Two Slit Experiment by bmajik · · Score: 2

      Two Slit Experiment ?

      Anyone besides me think this was a pr0n movie they'd seen on Gnucleus ? :)

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  9. Two slit by PD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The two slit experiments are the most beautiful. With a simple apparatus it can be shown that light is a wave. With the same apparatus, it can be shown tha light is a particle. And that's not all folks...

    The experiment reveals that there's something very very weird happening with very small particles. It could be another universe, or maybe an infinite number of universes. Or maybe just one really weird one. Time itself doesn't seem to have any meaning - things happen for no reason at all, uncaused.

    These experiments even seem to reveal something about ourselves. Philosophers and cranks are attracted to the results like moths, offering their own explanations for what is happening, ranging from the hand of god to the basis of intelligence.

    The strangeness revealed by the two slit experiment could also form the basis of future computers, where all calculations happen at the same time, but you can't look at the result without destroying the entire computer.

    If that whole mess isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

    1. Re:Two slit by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      With the same apparatus, it can be shown tha light is a particle.

      Umm, you mean a quantized wave. To call light a particle is to seriously stretch the definition of particle.

    2. Re:Two slit by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure that it's within reach of the casual experimenter, but many years ago the double-slit-with-electrons experimental results caused me to change my major from physics on the grounds of "If this is the way the universe works, I don't want to know any more."

    3. Re:Two slit by zeus_tfc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Particles have a fixed position which can be determined within an error of the planck length. A single photon can exist in multiple locations simultaneously. If you want to call a photon a particle, you're seriously stretching your definition of particle.

      A photon can act as either a particle or a wave, depending on how it is observed. I just read an article on this, so it is fresh in my mind.

      The two slit experiment involves two streams of photons which can be individually measured each aimed at a wall. A blocking surface with two slits is places between the emitters and the wall.
      If the photon detectors are on the far side of the blocking surface, a "ripple" pattern shows up on the wall, demonstrating the interference patterns of the waves.
      If the detectors are places at the photon sources, detecting each photon as it is emitted, no interference pattern emerges, only two bright dots where the stream hits. This shows the particle nature of photons. The results depend on how the experiment is observed.

      The really weird thing about the experiment is that it happens independant of time. Experiments have shown that the result(wave form or particle stream) can occur BEFORE the measurements occur. That how the measurement is taken can alter the past, or something to that effect. Pick up the latest copy of Discover mag, and there's an article.

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    4. Re:Two slit by Asprin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For those of you who never got more than a semester's worth of Quantum Mechanics, you get used to the whole wave-particle duality thing after a while and it stops being weird. Then you start wondering why people seem to get caught up in it.

      Here's how you want to think about it:

      1) Physically, we don't really understand the fundamental nature of photons (light). That is, we have no idea what they really are...

      * BUT *

      2) When you do an experiment that measures the wave properties of light, light acts like a wave.

      AND

      3) When you do an experiment that measures the particle properties of light, it acts like a particle.

      EITHER WAY,

      4) You cannot simultaneously measure the wave and particle properties of light. Measuring one destroys all information about the other.

      OH, AND BY THE WAY...

      5) The wave-particle duality of 1 - 4 goes for ALL matter, including 1972 Chevy Vegas.

      You can calculate the wavelength of a 1972 Chevy Vega (automobile) using DeBroglie's hypothesis. The problem is that shooting cars at a wall with enough momentum to generate a diffraction pattern would require *immensely* unpractical amounts of energy (especially when you factor in the effect of relativity on the mass of the car.) Still, the principle has born out in experiment, as other larger traditional subatomic particles (neutrons, for example) have been shown to generate diffraction patterns when accelerated to high enough energies through appropriately sized diffraction gratings.

      The reason we don't notice this kind of duality in real life is because Planck's contstant (a fundamental constant of nature that acts like a scaling factor for quantum phenomena) is very small in size compared to the scale of our normal macroscopic world. Like most of the bizarre stuff covered in modern physics, it's always there but the effect is muted on the scale you and I are able to normally perceive. You have to get to small sizes or large energies to have enough probability of observing quantum effects to make it worth your while.

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

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    5. Re:Two slit by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

      Done carefully, there is no other explanation for the two-slit experiment. If you send electrons one at a time at a double slit, you will still see an interference pattern, because the electron is interfering with itself. Place an electron detector in the path before the slits, and you instead see two spots where the electrons land. This is a pretty standard seocnd- or third-year physics lab experiment.

      You can do this with more massive objects, too. From the point of view of an alpha particle, a heavy nucleus is a large, opaque disk. Firing alphas one by one at a thin target of heavy nuclei also gets you a diffraction pattern. Why? Because the alpha is interfering with itself in going around the nucleus it interacted with -- in effect, it went around both sides of the nucleus.

      In more recent news, it turns out that you can do this with Bose condensates, too. Which means you are sending an entire atom through multiple paths simultaneously.

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    6. Re:Two slit by alext · · Score: 2

      As a matter of interest, is it possible to get your own light source that can emit individual photons? Presumably you need this to demonstrate quantum effects at home?

    7. Re:Two slit by PD · · Score: 2

      The diffraction pattern is visible with a regular light source. I am guessing that a very dim regular light source could also be combined with a very insensitive emulsion on the screen to show a speckled pattern showing quanta.

    8. Re:Two slit by zCyl · · Score: 2

      but you can't look at the result without destroying the entire computer.

      It's the computation that is destroyed when an intermediate step is looked at, the computer is never destroyed short of applying a large hammer. Computations are done on a superposition of possible values. If one of the quantum bits (qubits) interacts with the outside world, such as by being observed, then the qubit will lose its superposition of values by collapsing into a single value. At that point, the computation is no longer quantum in nature, because by collapsing it has become like a classical calculation on a single value.

      This is actually related to the most "beautiful" aspect of the two-slit experiment, which is the addition of a detector to one of the two slits. If the photon goes through the slit with the detector, then the detector clicks, and if it goes through the other slit, the detector doesn't click. Therefore, by the click or lack of click, we can know which slit the photon has gone through. Because information has escaped the system by our knowing which slit the photon goes through, the system is then no longer in a superposition of going through both slits, and the screen no longer shows the bright spots and dark spots of the interference pattern. If we turn the detector off so that we no longer know which slit it went through, then the interference pattern reappears.

      This is perhaps one of the most profound experimental results of the entire last century, simply for the philosophical implications about the central role played by information, or in the Copenhagen interpretation, by the observer.

    9. Re:Two slit by gotan · · Score: 2

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

      If you change the Planck constant to 1 then walls are not your main concern anymore. There probably aren't any walls left after a very short time (sorry, couldn't resist).

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    10. Re:Two slit by glebfrank · · Score: 2

      P.S. Never play D&D with Physics majors - our DM never gave us wish spells because he knew we'd do stuff like changing fundamental constants of nature - i.e. resetting Planck's constant to 1 - high enough so we could quantum-tunnel through walls and stuff.

      That's horrible role-playing, you know. Your D&D spellcaster isn't supposed to know anything about Planck's constant. Not to mention that our laws of physics don't necessarily apply in D&D world.

    11. Re:Two slit by LS · · Score: 2

      I would have to fully agree that this is the most beautiful experiment as defined. For those of you who are clueless about the two slit experiment, here are a couple of sites that describe it. They both have pretty pictures too:

      http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/74 23 / pd.html

      http://rugth30.phys.rug.nl/quantummechanics/diff in t.htm

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  10. Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by muerte24 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Milikan Oil Drop Experiment is one of the most simple measurements of a fundamental constant.

    In this experiment, tiny drops of oil are suspended in mid-air between two charged plates by the interaction of a discrete electric charge on the oil drop.

    You use a microscope to measure the speed of the drop with no charge on the plates, then adjust the charge on the plates to hold the drop in place. In other words, the force of gravity is cancelled by the electrostatic force.

    If the drops are small enough, you can notice discrete steps in the data when you plot the variables. The beauty is in its simplicity: Using some oil, two pieces of metal and microscope, you can determing the charge of a single electron.

    It doesn't get much prettier than that.

    Muerte

    1. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by qedigital · · Score: 2

      Sure the experiment's neat but it's easy to go insane trying to concentrate on a single point (oil droplet) as it drifts around in the electric field. 6 hours of that convinced me that it is most likely Millikan's grad students we have to thanks for the thousands of data points needed for the accurate measurement of elementary charge.

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    2. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by blazin · · Score: 2

      I admit that I didn't read the first article, but I did read the second, which apparently you didn't even do yourself. The second article explains why data was omitted from the published results and gives reasons as to why this was a tribute to Millikan's research and experiment technique and not fraud at all.

      If you'd bothered to read your own link, it explains that Millikan threw out basically all of the first 68 experiments, and as he continued to do the experiment threw out less and less as he presumably got better at setting up the apparatus. He seemed to know when something wasn't quite right, ie, the temperature of the room fluctuating, etc, and would throw out those results. He also double-checked through two methods of calculating v and threw out ones which didn't compute.

      He threw out good results as well as bad. If you were doing a titration and someone came in the room and took a leak in the beaker (and you knew about it), I'd hope you'd throw out the results of that one as well.

    3. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by David+Gould · · Score: 2


      6 hours of that convinced me that it is most likely Millikan's grad students we have to thanks for the thousands of data points needed for the accurate measurement of elementary charge.

      Not knowing enough about the subject to want to jump into the actual debate, I just want to say that the way you describe it reminded me of this guy's paper on the "Electron Band Structure In Germanium". See Figure 1.

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    4. Re:Milikan Oil Drop Experiment by blazin · · Score: 2

      You mean throw out the results, or piss in the titration beaker?

  11. helium balloon and GR by Kwantus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always liked how helium balloons go the `wrong' way in a vehicle. toward the rear when braking, rightward when turning rightward, etc. And how General Rel holds the simplest explanation: gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration.

  12. The Pitch Drop Experiment by little_fluffy_clouds · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Pitch Drop Experiment.
    If you check the site out, you will even find a live RealVideo stream of the pitch.

    Pitch (a derivative of tar once used for waterproofing boats) feels solid at room temperature, and it can easily be shattered with a blow from a hammer. However, at room temperature it is actually fluid.

    Quoting from the website:
    "In 1927 Professor Parnell heated a sample of pitch and poured it into glass funnel with a sealed stem. Three years were allowed for the pitch to settle, and in 1930 the sealed stem was cut. From that date on the pitch has slowly dripped out of the funnel - so slowly that now, 72 years later, the eighth drop is only just about to fall."

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    1. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by doubtless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      glass also feels solid at room temperature but is actually liquid. So, if that same experiment is extended to a very very long time, even the funnel will 'drip'.

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    2. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by blamanj · · Score: 3, Informative

      glass also feels solid at room temperature but is actually liquid

      Commonly believed but untrue. (And I don't care what your high school/college physics teacher said.)

      From Journal of Chemical Education, 1989:
      The glassy state resembles a liquid in having short-range [molecular] order without long-range order ,but differs in that the entire network is rigid, whereas in the liquid state enough energy is available tobreak and reform bonds continuously.

      See http://www.urbanlegends.com/ for more.

    3. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by raytracer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Another story about pitch, not nearly as (okay, not at all) documented as the pitch drop experiment, but you might find it amusing.

      Pitch is still used in the polishing of high quality optical components like lenses and telescope mirrors. The rumor is that at some optical fab shop they had a rather large barrel of pitch which they would chisel out chunks to melt and pour into polishing laps. After a couple of decades of work, they reached the bottom of the barrel, and found several hammers and chisels resting at the bottom, apparently having been left on top and slowly sunk through the entire volume of pitch.

      It is a nice story, but it may be as false as the idea that glass is a liquid and flows under the force of gravity.

    4. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by blamanj · · Score: 2

      The common explanation is that the manufacturing techniques used then tended to produce panes that were thicker at the bottom and that the "common sense" installation was simply to put the thicker portion at the bottom, just as you'd put the thicker or heavier logs at the bottom in a log cabin.

    5. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by scotch · · Score: 2
      You must be new to the internet. Spend some time on the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup or the urban legends website.

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    6. Re:The Pitch Drop Experiment by Corvus9 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Okay, I'll bite, but how do you end up with "dripping" panes in very old windows?
      I have actually seen such panes in Italy, and can tell you the "dripping" is an artifact of the way the glass is made. The "drips" are distributed all over the entire pane, and the top of the pane is just as thick as the bottom. Horizontal and curved pieces of the same glass also have this "dripped" surface.

      If you mean clear glass thicker at the bottom than the top, sometimes found in old English buildings, the Glass Flow page page at the Urban Legends page someone posted earlier says this is also an artifact of the way early clear glass panes were made. The slabs are uneven, and the builders install them with the thickest portion at the bottom to avoid unbalancing the panes.

      If you still think glass is a liquid, tell me why Cartaginian glass, made thousands of years ago, are not puddles, and why obsidian shards milions of years old still have sharp edges.

  13. Not one, but two by pmc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best experiment is really a pair of them: Young's double slit experiment, and the photoelectric effect. Young's double slit experiment showed that light acted as a wave. The photo-electric effect showed that light acted as a particle. Together they showed that light acts completely unlike anything we experience in the classical world.

    Both are simple, easily doable in the laboratory for undergraduates, and after doing (and comprehending) both you'll never again think the same way about light.

    1. Re:Not one, but two by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Together they showed that light acts completely unlike anything we experience in the classical world.

      Then the Davisson-Germer experiment came along and showed that electrons and even alpha particles behave exactly the same way.

  14. Acceleration of gravity by fiber_halo · · Score: 2

    One of the first experiments we did at UMR was to measure the acceleration of gravity. It was a weird contraption of a clothespin wired to a switch that started a timer when you released this badminton birdie from the clothespin.

    We dropped the birdie onto a box with a microphone in it that stopped the timer when it heard the "thud". We dropped it from different heights and measured the time to fall and then plotted the results.

    The beautiful thing wasn't learning that gravity is 9.8 m/s^2, but in showing us that from a fairly simple setup we could quantitatively measure something important in physics. We calculated the acceleration of gravity as well as the terminal velocity of the birdie. And our results were correct!

    This was a great foundation to other experiments with interferometers measuring the wavelength of a laser, pendulums, exponential decay (of you name it -- cooling, capacitor discharge, etc.).

  15. It's all in the shadows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Eratosthenes accurately estimated the diameter and circumference of the earth with a stick. That's beauty.

  16. Not necessarily physics... how about math? by Bonker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't necessarily take physics to change a man's worldview:

    The Cointoss Fractal

    Get a largish sheet of paper, a coin or a d6, a felt-tip marker, and a tape measure.

    Draw three dots, making any given shape of triangle. Pick any dot at random. This is your first point. Use the coin or a d6 to *randomly* decide between all three dots as a second point. Draw a new dot exactly half-way in between the two points. Use the dot you just drew as your new first point. Use the coin or a d6 to randomly select a new second point. Draw a dot exactly half-way between the two points. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    After even a few hundred iterations, you'll begin to see a beautiful crystaline-like fractal pattern emerge. Even with the inherent innacuracy of this method, you can see the fractal down to the fourth or fifth iteration of the pattern before it breaks down. If you use even a slightly more accurate method, such as a C or Pascal program to draw colored dots on a computer screen, you can get 10 or 11 iterations, even with interger math rather than floating point.

    The first time I saw this, I very nearly cried.

    Order from chaos, just from math.

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    1. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by juggler314 · · Score: 2, Informative
      order from chaos? Not exactly. The Sierpinski Triangle is a great fractal, however it isn't chaos which forms it. Once you understand how the fractal is generated it's easy to show that for any given spot outside one of the "cleared" areas it will never migrate into a cleared area. Also it's very easy to show that any starting point from within a "cleared" area will quickly migrate outside never to return. The random picking of the next point only serves to show that we can use a random number in the algorithm to derive the same picture that we would get if one just kept disecting the triangle into 1/4's.

      Now if you came up with some function where you were not able to predict anything at all about the placement of the next dot (in the Sierpinski we know much about the next dot - namely that it will lie on the midpoint of the line drawn to the next vertex chosen) and still ended up with some deep fractal pattern that would be pretty cool.

      I remember playing around with the mandlebrot fractal too and seem to remember that it is a bit harder to predict that shape ahead of time (but I could just not be remembering right).

    2. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by swagr · · Score: 2

      Doesnt IFS (e.g. xlock -mode ifs) work by randomly chosing a transformation froma set of pre-defined ones?

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    3. Re:Not necessarily physics... how about math? by pokeyburro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speaking of math, the depiction of the Mandlebrot Set is definitely within the reach of students. I wrote a program doing this in Turbo Pascal as a teenager. (Granted, I had help from Turbo Technix Magazine...) Until then, no one realized how complicated a form could arise from an exceedingly simple iterative equation.

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  17. Two words by aozilla · · Score: 2

    Nuclear fission...

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  18. some renaissance classics... by supernova87a · · Score: 2

    One of my favorites is Newton's experiment which is as simple as a ball on a track. Noting that gravity was apparently a force to be considered, Newton showed that since the ball accelerates if the track is tilted down and deccelerates if tilted up, that objects under no force (track perpendicular to gravity gradient) should neither accelerate or deccelerate.

    Also, the related experiment using wires spaces n^2 distances apart, and listening for the resulting equal times between "clicks", which shows that the distance covered is proportional to the square of the time!

    And then, how about Newton's extrapolation of the laws of gravity (observed by simple things like falling bodies) to the laws governing celestial bodies under the influence of gravity? This is pretty impressive, I think, to be able to predict successfully something that has no (near) physical equivalent that you were able to test beforehand!

  19. Back to Basics by Telastyn · · Score: 2

    dropping a bowling ball and a light foam ball to demonstrate how mass is independant of gravity.

    1. Re:Back to Basics by pomakis · · Score: 4, Informative
      dropping a bowling ball and a light foam ball to demonstrate how mass is independant of gravity.

      But this experiment is a bit misleading. Mass isn't actually independent of gravity. It is just extremely negligable when the second object is billions of times more massive than the object in question (like a bowling ball as compared to the Earth).

      The force of gravity is proportional to the sums of the masses of the two objects in question (m1 + m2), and the Earth (m2) has a mass of 5.9736 × 10^24 kg. Try the same experiment by comparing how fast a bowling ball falls in comparison to a bowling-ball sized neutron star. (Of course, you wouldn't want to drop them at the same time, because you'd then be dealing with a three-body problem.)

    2. Re:Back to Basics by benwb · · Score: 2

      F = m1 * a
      F = G * (m1 + m2)/r^2

      a = G * m2 / r^2

      The acceleration of mass 1 due to the gravitational field of mass 2 is solely dependent of on mass 2's mass.

      This happens because of the lucky coincidence of the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass. If these values varied by anything other than a constant amount the m1's in the equation would not cancel and you would end up in the situation you describe.

      The physics changes slightly once General Relativity is taken into account, but only at speeds near c, or around object's whose escape velocity approaches c.

    3. Re:Back to Basics by danro · · Score: 2

      Repeat until enlightened - Whereever in the universe you go, mass of an object is the same. Weight might vary

      No, it depends on the speed of the object.
      You'll have to move very fast to notice a measurable difference though.
      But one could say this is why objects with rest mass cant reach lightspeed. When speed --> c that means mass --> infinity (time grinds to an halt too, but i'll get back to that soon) and that, of cource would require an infinite amount of enery, which you are not likely to find...

      Only reason a photon can reach lightspeed is that it has no rest mass.
      Photons are really wierd, they can't exist at rest (E=mc, and m0 is 0, remember...) they have no anti particle either. Any antiparticle behaves as it's particle exept "travelling backwards" in time. Since the photon moves at lightspeed direction in time is irrelevant and it is it's own anti particle.

      I don't like photons, they give me an hedache...

      I dropped out of physics by the way...
      It was cool, but I just couldn't stand it.

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    4. Re:Back to Basics by pomakis · · Score: 2
      Okay, this is getting silly. Earlier today I made a posting that claimed that "The force of gravity is proportional to the sums of the masses of the two objects in question (m1 + m2)". Shortly after that, I was corrected. The force of gravity is proportional to the product of the masses. The full formula is F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. However, I have since seen this formula mis-quoted a number of times in this thread. It seems as if other people made the same mistake as I did, recalling the equation from memory and assuming that the operation is an addition because it sounds like it would work that way. The logic used to rationalize this is as follows: It couldn't be a multiplication, because if it were, doubling the mass of one of the objects (e.g., by replacing a foam ball with a bowling ball) would double the value of (m1 * m2), causing the bowling ball to fall to earth twice as fast, which it clearly doesn't. Well, this logic is incorrect, and I'm gonna tell you why. Ready?

      Yes, the value of (m1 * m2) doubles. And yes, that means that the overall force that the object experiences doubles. But since the object is twice as massive, it needs twice the force to accelerate it to the same extent (because F = m * a). So the bowling ball falls at the exact same speed as the foam ball because a given force would affect it half as much as it would affect the foam ball (because it weighs twice as much), but the force of gravity is pulling on it twice as hard. The actual mass of the object is cancelled out of the equation.

      This, to me, is simply astounding, as in 1) simple, 2) astounding, and 3) astounding in its simplicity. The universe is truly an amazing place.

  20. Rutherford's alpha scattering by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You could do this with material from a smoke detector and some fluorescent screens.

    He sent a beam of alpha particles through a target, which according to the theories of the day should have been like firing a bullet through jello.

    Some of them bounced straight back, which proved there were small hard objects in the "jello". Those small hard objects were atomic nuclei, and the experiment revealed the existence of matter with unprecedented density.

  21. Foucault pendulum too subtle by call+-151 · · Score: 2
    To properly understand the Foucault pendulum requires a fair amount more understanding than many realize. At the north pole, the pendulum makes a full circuit, once per day, and is reasonably straightforward, but at other locations, the change depends upon latitude in a subtle enough way that most people don't really grasp it. In particular, I am surprised that so many museums have elaborate displays and inadequate explantions of why it does not complete a full revolution each day. Many museums explain that this proves that the earth rotates, but do not explain the computation needed to compute one's latitude from the amount of precession per day.

    I have taught undergraduate differential geometry many times, and covered the relevant material (parallel transport of vectors along non-geodesics, holonomy) and frequently even reasonably strong students have a hard time with understanding it correctly. Particularly when I put a parallel transport question on an exam...

    This Smithsonian FAQ has a bit about pendulums, but just says the relationship is complex. The California Academy has a page that is much better than a typical museum explanation in that it mentions that the amount of precession depends upon latitude and gives the relationship (precession is 2 pi sin(phi) where phi is the latitude) as well as making a reasonable effort at an explanation.

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  22. Gallileo's Gravity Experiment by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    Definetly.

    What other experiment changed the world more in such a simple way as to drop 2 objects of diffrent Mass and show that gravity acts the same for each?

    Archamedies I guess would also be. sitting in a tub to proove that diffrent densities displace diffrent amounts of water.

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  23. Measuring the height of a building... by kpetruse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, so this is probably apocryphal, but I was sent this a while ago:

    A question in a physics degree examination at the University of Copenhagen
    ran thus:

    "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

    One student replied:
    "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the
    barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the
    string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the
    building."

    This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was
    failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was
    indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to
    decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but
    did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem
    it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to
    provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the
    basic principles of physics. For five minutes the student sat in silence,
    forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running
    out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant
    answers, but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to
    hurry up the student replied as follows:

    "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper,
    drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground.
    The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g
    x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer.

    "Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer,
    then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure
    the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter
    of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper.

    "But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short
    piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at
    ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked
    out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqrroot
    (l / g).

    "Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier
    to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer
    lengths, then add them up.

    "If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you
    could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the
    skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into
    feet to give the height of the building.

    But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind
    and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on
    the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I
    will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

    The student was Niels Bohr.

    A great example of how there are always different ways of looking at a problem, from one of the greatest scientists ever (allegedly).

    1. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by frankie · · Score: 3, Informative

      this is probably apocryphal, but

      How some stuff gets to Score: 5, I will never know. Remember folks,
      Google makes all computing simple .

    2. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by wdavies · · Score: 2

      My favourite version was the answer that required finding the Janitor of said Building and offering him the Barometer in exchange for telling you the height of the building....

      Winton

    3. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by freuddot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Urban legend it is:

      Barometer

    4. Re:Measuring the height of a building... by danro · · Score: 2

      ...and in a fit of pure genius, to newton as well

      Actually, I am surprised I haven't seen any trolls trying to pull that one of in this thread.

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  24. Hovercup!! The best expirement by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Funny
    Back many years ago when I was in physics class... My buddy and I were shit bored in lab, and the TA was a really cool big guy with a pony tail who drove a harley (and happened to be a graduate student in physics).

    We had finished our lab a bit early, and well, there was still about 3 gallons of unused liquid nitrogen -- this could not be allowed. So we started to figure out things to do with it, poured it on the floor and watched the dirt particles dance around :)

    Looking for some other things to do with the stuff, I poked some holes in the bottom of our Styrofoam cup and poured the liquid nitrogen in it -- I had hoped the cup would levitate on the boiling nitrogen leaking out the bottom ... no dice, it was too heavy -- So I kept tearing away the walls of the cup, trying to leave enough room for liquid nitrogen, but leave the cup light enough to float. Finally I arrived at the right balance, and we had fun kicking our cup around the floor and watching it glide. So to be idiots we showed the TA what we were doing and he replies, "Gentlemen, you have just discovered the leidenfrost effect." And to this I reply, "We call it hovercup."

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    1. Re:Hovercup!! The best expirement by iomud · · Score: 2

      Oh man, that's funny. Where are those mod points when you need them.

  25. Dropping a feather in a vacuum by call+-151 · · Score: 2

    One of the simplest and most compelling experiments to my mind is the "drop a feather and a penny in a vacuum tube" demo. There is a nice one at the Exploratorium in San Francisco- an evacuated tube with a metal ball and a feather, pivoted in the middle. Sure enough, when you turn it over, they fall at the same rate. I found it surprisingly addictive and fascinating and always have to elbow a bunch of kids out of the way to get to play with it for very long...

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  26. I will nominate cold fusion by ~roman · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is relatively easy to establish, has great application and it has very reproducible results as shown by many groups arround the world.
    Wait a minute...

  27. Interference by Have+Blue · · Score: 2
    The Michaelson-Morley experiment is another possibility... It proved that the speed of light is independent of the observer's velocity and frame of reference.

    There are a whole class of experiments where old masters using (by modern standards) primitive equipment found results that were accurate even to modern standards and formed the basis of modern science:
    • Michaelson-Morley interferometer (uniformity of c)
    • Millikan's oil drop experiment (charge of an electron)
    • Foucalt's pendulum (gravitational constant)
    • Eratosthenes measures the diameter of the Earth
    • Young's two-slit experiment (wave/particle duality)
    • Kepler's laws of orbits (extrapolated from precise observations, but can be deduced from mechanics)
  28. Here are links by marcus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The archive:
    http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.h tml

    and some old video:

    http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.avi

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  29. Relativity by nick255 · · Score: 2

    Not regularly repeatable. But one of the first experiments to support general relativity was brilliant.
    1) Look position of stars
    2) Wait for solar eclipse
    3) See that stars near moon have moved from where they should be.

  30. Measuring the charge of an electron? by Alomex · · Score: 2


    IANAP but I once saw a student at a science fair who measured the charge of an electron using standard off the shelf high-school lab equipment.

    Instead of the very pure oil used by Millikan she used cooking oil. This introduced a lot of noise in the system, but quite amazingly when you plot out the results you can clealry see the impure oil component and the electron charge component. Subtract the impure oil component from your data, average out and report the result. She got the charge of the electron right to three significant digits of precision IIRC.

  31. no Michelson-Morley? maybe just plain Michelson? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Michelson-Morley had to do with the existence of aether. It was complicated, but elegant.

    But Michelson had already done an even more historically impressive experiment, I think, that had to do with the most accurate measurements of the speed of light in his day by far. "In 1878 Albert A. Michelson first accurately measures the speed of light with $10 worth of apparatus along the seawall" (scroll toward the middle of the page).

    The more accurate measurement he made in the 1920s is described briefly below that quote on the same page. Certainly the $10 experiment is in the grasp of most classrooms, but I think the mountaintop one is also possible for today's students, what with GPS and all, or even a really good topo map (+/- a few feet gets you close-enough-for-proof-of-concept). You have to get 2 teams of kids on 2 different mountains- and with SUVs and the quality of roads nowadays, how hard is that to do in the high sierras with some adult supervision? Maybe hard to do if you live in Kansas, admittedly.

    Plus, what school kids want to sit around a stuffy lab? How cool an experiment would it be to the most science-jaded student to get out of the classroom and into the wilderness to do science on an as easily appreciated concept as the speed of light? ;-)

    Here's another good article on the history of the speed of light and better details of Michelson's efforts.

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  32. Shoot the monkey... by curtis · · Score: 2

    If anyone still remembers their old junior high (maybe even high school and college!) text books, they'll never forget the "Shoot the Monkey" experiments that proves projectile motion and more simply that gravity is not governed by mass.

    In a nutshell, drop an object with just gravity effecting it's fall and aim a projectile at it, since they fall at the same rate, the projectile will hit the falling object every time.

    Of course, they always use a falling monkey and a sling shot in the text books, it just cracks me up.

    1. Re:Shoot the monkey... by po_boy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's a great demonstration. We actually had a contraption to do this. A pinball was shot out of a tube across the room. When it left the barrel of the "gun", it tripped a switch which turned off the electromagnet holding the "monkey" coffee can. They hit about halfway down every time. I thought it was pretty cool, too.

  33. If you want inexpensive... by restless_ne'erdowell · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can't beat Schrodinger's Cat!

  34. Bending Spacetime in the Basement by Noetist · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The time has come," the Hacker said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of plastic foam--and tuna cans--
    Of chunks of lead--and string--
    And how the force of gravity--
    Will make the balance swing."

    The above is from John Walker's excellent website. He conducted the Cavendish experiment in his basement.

    - Monica

  35. Michelson measuring the speed of light... by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in school, this was the most fascinating thing that I ever read about. Simple mirrors and rotation. Ofcourse, the Young's double slit experiment is also fascinating, but I didn't understand it when I was in School :)

    More info at a link I got from Google: http://www.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109N/lectures / pedlite.html

    S

  36. along those lines.... by battlemarch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was thinking of the pencil test :-)

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  37. What Constitutes Beauty in Physics? by belloc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wrote a paper last year entitled "On Mathematical Beauty", which was mostly a philosophical work on whether it was proper to mathematics to be called beautiful, and if so, what one might mean by calling a particular bit of mathematics "beautiful".

    So in light of that, I'm interested in seeing what people mean when they say that a physics experiment is "beautiful". If we can figure out what we mean by that (i.e., whether we mean "beautiful" in the same way as when we call a car or woman or building "beautiful"), then maybe that will help us decide which is the *most* beautiful.

    Belloc

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  38. Fermi by chenzhen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fermi problems cover virtually any area of physics and serve to train the most fundamental part of being a physicist- the ability to think as one. From simple things, like the average energy imparted to your forehead by a single raindrop, to calculating the strength of a nuclear explosion from the drift of paper shreds, Fermi problems emphasize efficiency of logic and intuition to understand the natural universe.

  39. OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eratosthenes accurately estimated the diameter and circumference of the earth with a stick. That's beauty.

    Quite right. This beautiful experiment is explained and recreated in Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. Not only that, but Eratosthenes did this many years Before Christ. By the time that Christopher Columbus petitioned the royal court for funding for three ships to sail westward from Portugal to India, scientists already knew the circumference of the earth pretty damn well. Well enough to know there was no way in hell Columbus would ever make it. But in 1492 -- and this is still true today, unfortunately -- the intelligent advice of scientists was disregarded by the rulers were blinded by visions of wealth and power and the Queen funded Columbus' journey. Turns out, unbeknownst to anyone, that Columbus' ass was saved because there was a land mass closer than halfway. Columbus decided that since he had sailed west to get to India, and ran into some land, had indeed reached India and proclaimed the inhabitants Indians -- a misnomer which exists to this day.

    Although Eratosthenes was a true genius the world hails Christopher Columbus as a hero even though his accomplishment was sheer accident. What does this tell you about how the world views science and scientists?

    GMD

  40. The monkey experiment by JordoCrouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have always been a fan of the monkey in the tree experiment.

    The setup story goes like this:

    There is hunter walking through the forest, and he sees a monkey in the distance in a tree. He shoots at the monkey. Well, the monkey is so startled by the gunshot that he falls out of the tree at the same instant that the gun is fired. The bullet still hits the monkey. How is this so?


    Basically this takes advantage of the fact everything falls at the same rate. You set up a gun of some sort (with a round projectile), and you set up a "tree" with the monkey a distance way. The gun and the monkey should be at the exact same height. The trick is to then fire the gun and drop the monkey at the same instant. The projectile should hit the monkey every time.

    This experiment is a pain to get setup correctly, but it is pretty cool when it is successful. I couldn't find any video of it on the web, maybe somebody else can find some.

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    1. Re:The monkey experiment by wurp · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem is that this is wrong. The hunter accomodates for the bullet falling when he aims, so if the monkey falls it is still falling away from where the bullet would hit.

      The real reason it still hits the monkey is that bullets are fucking fast.

    2. Re:The monkey experiment by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I always wondered, if bullets are faster than the speed of sound, do they cause a sonic boom when they break the sound barrier? Is that sound part of the very loud noise heard when the gun fires? If so, why does a silencer stop it? Why does the noise vary between calibres of firearm? Someone please enlighten me as to how exactly this works... As far as I know whenever an object breaks the sound barrier a LARGE booming noise is created. I have never noticed this effected with firearms, even though bullets are said to excede the speed of sound.

      Kintanon

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  41. Quantum Mechanics by russianspy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that any experiment that makes people think "outside the box" can be called beautiful.

    I forget what this one is called, but it goes something like this:

    You have a light source on one end. Screen on another (a fairly long rail connecting the two.

    Put a piece of horizontaly polarized glass between light and screen - the intensity of light on the screen is cut in half.

    Add another piece of (vertically this time) polarized glass - there is virutally no light going through.

    Lastly - add a piece of polarized glass that's at about 45 degrees half way in between the other two. What do you expect to see on the screen?

    1. Re:Quantum Mechanics by Salsaman · · Score: 2
      "What do you expect to see on the screen?"


      Cowboy Neal ?

      I give up...what would you expect to see ?

    2. Re:Quantum Mechanics by po_boy · · Score: 2

      Are you sure that it's not "all of the light"?

  42. Note: must change what people thought by Otter · · Score: 2
    A lot of the comments seem to be missing the requirement that the experiment "must change what people thought." Foucault's Pendulum and the Millikan oil drop experiment were supremely elegant but neither changed anyone's minds about anything. (At least, not to my admittedly lacking knowledge. Please tell me otherwise if that's wrong.)

    Two slit interference, on the other hand, is a perfect case of what they're looking for. Of course, whether overturning existing ideas is a prequisite for beauty is another issue...

    In molecular biology, I'd nominate the Crick and Brenner determination of codon size as the most beautiful ever.

  43. Re:It's not a cookie mum it's a Newton by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This story is often cited, and usually misquoted. I'll correct the usual misquotations here...

    Sir Issac was not "sitting" under a tree; in fact, he was lying down, and he was sound asleep.

    It wasn't just any apple which happened to fall onto him; it was a rather large apple, which fell because it had gone thoroughly rotten to the core.

    And Newton did not say "I've discovered Gravity", but rather just commented "the world sucks."

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  44. WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Sebastopol · · Score: 5, Informative

    it is an amorphous solid, refer to this urban legend...

    An Urban Legend

    The legend usually appears in any of the following forms:

    Antique windowpanes are thicker at the bottom, because glass has flowed to the bottom over time.

    Glass has no crystalline structure, hence it is NOT a solid.

    Glass is a supercooled liquid.

    Glass is a liquid that flows very slowly.

    Glass is a liquid.
    The prolonged survival of this legend, chiefly among English speakers (and particularly among North Americans) is puzzling -- especially when one considers that glass and glassy materials are readily available, and one can easily verify if one can pour a gallon of glass, or drain a pint of obsidian.

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    1. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, old window panes DO get fatter at the bottom as the glass "slumps". I am living in a 106 year old victorian house with large pane windows, many of which are original. The windows have slumped over the years and are fatter at the base, with noticeable distortion in that region.

      Furthermore, several of the windows have up to 1 inch gaps between the top of the pane and the window frame. Pray tell how that would happen if the glass was not slowly drooping.

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    2. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by pclminion · · Score: 2
      I've been told this is due to the way sheets of glass were manufactured back then. They took a blob of glass, put it on the end of a rod, and rotated the rod very quickly. This flattened the glass into a thin disk. However, the disk was slightly thicker on the edge than in the middle.

      Then they cut the glass disk into panes. They mounted the thicker end at the bottom of the window frame because that's obviously more stable than mounting it at the top.

    3. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Informative

      NO NO NO! My god you people are totally ignorant of victorian construction methods!
      A. Glass does flow, over a GEOLOGIC TIMESCALE. In 200 years, a sheet of glass will not have changed as the result of normal flow.

      B. Victorian windows are thicker at the bottom because their glass creation technique sucked at making thin sheets all the same size. There are gaps at the top of the windows because over time the wood SHRINKS because it wasn't pressure treated in victorian construction. This accounts for the gap and the thickness issue at the bottom.

      So, yes, glass does flow, but you sure as hell aren't going to notice the effects in a 200 year old house.

      Kintanon

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    4. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Sebastopol · · Score: 2

      1" in gaps? So it should be 1/4" in 25 years, by your claim.

      Hmm, seems like there are millions of 25 year old houses that aren't rushing out to plug the gaps in their sagging windows. Read my original link.

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    5. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Phanatic1a · · Score: 4, Informative

      Glass doesn't even flow on geological time scales. Glass will not flow, period, unless it rises above its transition temperature, Tg. For plain old window glass, and in the limiting case of infinite time, Tg is over 250 degrees C. On shorter time scales, it's over 500 C.

      Glass does not flow. It is an amorphous solid with a shear viscosity well, well in excess of 1014.6 Poise, placing it well, well within the solid regime. If it flowed on even geologic time scales, flow would certainly be observed in telescope mirrors and other optics that are precise down to fractional wavelengths.

      Jesus. Go read the link that was posted earlier. There's nothing pisses me off like people who ignore readily available information in favor of propagating the same old misinformation.

    6. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      I give up. Any more "Informative" on Slashdot is about as "informative" as the local news.

      Yes, but SlashDot is about "Stuff That Matters!" :)

    7. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      you want to see photographs of the gaps? They do exist.

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    8. Re:WRONG! glass is NOT a liquid by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      Actually, most glass panes from the period (especially when dealing with 3'x4' sheets) was produced by floating the molten glass on a bed of mercury, hence why it is called "float glass"

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  45. Not F*****s P******m by CharlieG · · Score: 2

    OK first the reason for the asterisks - if you ask about Foucault's Pendulum on the Model Eng mailing list, you WILL cause a stink - it caused the longest running thread a few years back

    Anyway doing Foucault's Pendulum is NOT easy. You need a LONG Pendulum, a SOLID building, a heavy bob and preferably no drafts

    The Gent on the ModelEng list tried to do it in an old barn silo, and it didn't work, as the silo moved too much

    BTW I was told that research at the University of Quito has shown that the Foucault Pendulum doesn't work

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    1. Re:Not F*****s P******m by rark · · Score: 2

      > BTW I was told that research at the University of
      > Quito has shown that the Foucault Pendulum doesn't
      > work

      Seems to work okay for the Smithsonian

    2. Re:Not F*****s P******m by CharlieG · · Score: 2

      You missed the joke - University of Quito - Look it up on the map, and think

      (Hint - It's in the middle of the tropics)

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    3. Re:Not F*****s P******m by rark · · Score: 2

      oh. D'oh!!!

      (note to self: engage brain before posting)

  46. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by banuaba · · Score: 2

    Eratosthenes' experiment notwithstanding, sailing ships taught us the world was round in a very accesible way... on a clear day, the hull of the boat dissapears over the horizon before the crow's nest does.

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  47. Furthermore... by Spurion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recall setting up a transparent cuboid (glass or perspex, I forget) to totally internally reflect light off one of its faces. When a second transparent cuboid was placed very close to the reflecting face, some light passed from the first cuboid into the second, and was visible coming out of the second cuboid. It happened even though the two blocks were not quite touching. This is a very simple way to demonstrate quantum tunneling.

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  48. Fractals by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    If you want beauty, I vote for fractals and chaos mathematics, and their applications. How 'bout diving into the Mandelbrot set?

    There's also an experiment you can try if you have a handy particle accelerator; defocus it and fire some electrons at a sheet of lexan. Then touch a grounded wire to the side of the sheet. The electrons, embedded into the face of the plastic will rush to ground, creating pathways that other electrons will follow. The result is a fractal tree. You may have to play with the intensity and run-time, though.

  49. Why not M-M? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    Remind me why students can't build an interferometer, again?

    My old high school had all of the required equipment (had a holography lab at one point).

  50. Ice breaking steal by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

    I don't know if this really counts as changing the way people think about science, but it certainly changed the way I thought about my Science teacher...

    The "classic" version of the experiment is to fill a steal ball with water and seal it shut. If you place the ball in the freezer, the next day you'll find that the force of crystallization was stronger than the steal and the ball will be split in two.

    My High School physics teacher got a hold of some liquid nitrogen and wanted to do whole experiment during class. So he prepared the steal ball, filled a glass beaker (yes, glass) with the liquid nitrogen, and set the ball in. As everyone gathered around up close to watch, he did have a brief moment of sanity and decided that, perhaps he should move the whole thing into a bucket instead. And maybe we shouldn't stand quite so close. So he poured the whole thing into a plastic (yes, plastic) bucket, added more liquid nitrogen to account for the increased volume, and we waited.

    The force was not only enough to break the steal ball, but enough to shatter the bottom of the bucket too. He didn't have enough liquid nitrogren left to demonstrate that a rose will shatter if frozen, but we kinda saw that effect already...

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  51. So.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    You are disputing the fact that light behaves both as a particle and as a wave?

    That flies in the face of a great many years of modern physics you know.

    Saying they are particles that propgate as waves is innacurate, of course.. it is merely light, and exhibits properties of both.

  52. Re:light as particle by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    So.. given that any other particle can also be viewed purely as a wave.. does your statement not hold true for all reality?

    A proton is a quantized wave.
    So is an electron.

    Any particle stream behaves as a wave to some degree. The wavelength just gets extremely long as you get away from c, so the effect seems to disappear.

  53. Explosions! by sam_handelman · · Score: 2

    Look, we all went to high school (at least for a little while, I'm sure) so we all know that the best experiments are the ones that end in an explosion. Unfortunately, most of the good experiments are generally regarded as chemistry, and not physics (an atificial distinction, I am aware.)

    The very best experiment, however, which certainly satisfied at least the "changed worldview" requirement, took place in the nevada desert in 1945, and was carried out primarily by physicists. Now, two kids go to their science fair:

    Cindy - I measured the speed of light by observing jupiter's moons!
    Kelly - I have first strike capability!

    Who's going to win? I don't know how much enriched uranium you really need to make a nuclear bomb - all published figures are inflated - but they make lawn furniture out of it in the former soviet bloc, so I'm sure you can get some. After that you just need an enclosed container, an explosive, a little engineering knowhow and a healthy contempt for human life. With the plane tickets to and from eastern europe, I anticipate the whole deal costing less than $5,000 US for the fanatically inclined hobbyist. Admittedly, it costs more than a piece of cardboard with slits in it, but it's a lot more satisfying.

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  54. Oh but he is right. It is relevant. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    It moves forward, as others said, because the air in the back becomes more dense, the air at the front, less dense, so the helium balloon moves away from the dense area.

    The air in the back is more dense because the car is accellerating.
    Similarly, the air is more dense near the surface of the earth because of gravity.

    And as we all know, gravity and accelleration are indistinguishable (locally).

    So. Both cause the balloon (via their effect on the atmosphere) to move opposite the vector the force is applied in.

    (In this case, G + accelleration would put it on an angle, but your balloon is on a string.. etc.. etc..)

  55. Hand drawn holograms by HighTeckRedNeck · · Score: 3, Informative

    The most beautiful experiment has to be Newton's light slit and prism showing that white light is actually made up of many other frequencies. From there young minds can be introduced to all sorts of things such as why sticks appear to be bent when half in water and at what angle they seem to disappear. But to really get them going, help them create a hand drawn hologram. http://www.amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

  56. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by benwb · · Score: 2

    In Eratosthenes day the general feeling among learned people was that the world was a sphere. His great demonstration was not that- it was estimating the circumference of the earth to a remarkable degree of accuracy.

  57. Some ideas... by raytracer · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Michelson-Morely experiment was important because it basically put the nail in the coffin of the idea of the aether, but measurements of the speed of light had actually been done for literally centuries before. Many of these experiments can easily be duplicated with minimal equipment today. Check out http://www.central-jersey-sas.org/projects/speed_o f_light/index.html for some details. I also believe that there was a duplicate of MM in the Amateur Scientist column of Scientific American, which you can now get on CD (well worth getting for more ideas).


    From memory, some of the more interesting experiments the Amateur Scientist column include:

    • Construction of a wide variety of optical instruments such as microscopes, telescopes, spectrascopes, and Schlieren systems.
    • Dangerous projects like plasma jets, X-ray machines, solid fuel rockets and particle accelerators.
    • Several different kinds of lasers.
    • Foucault pendulums
    • Observations of earth satellites
    • Making diffraction gratings with a ruling engine.
    • Aerodynamics experiments with small planes using water


    Tons of goodies, all worth goofing around with. If you can't come up with some good ideas after leafing through this material, you just aren't trying.

  58. Frozen Waves by dougwhitehead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My favorite from high school was extremely simple. Use a "wave pool" (a pan and a mechanical device that dabs one or two prongs into the water at some frequency). Aim a strobe light at the pool and turn off the lights. When you match the wave frequency to the strobe, the waves seem to stand still. Of course, you are merely catching the flash at the same point on each wave. Move the strobe frequency a little slower and the waves creep out. A little faster and they creep back to the source. Two wave sources, and you get to see the effect of the interference pattern.

  59. Bowlingball on a string by msheppard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Saw this expierement, professor has a rope with a bowling ball tied to the end suspended from a high ceiling. Stand at one end of the room with the ball pulled back and just touching his nose. Professer them lets go of the ball and it swings across the room and returns just missing his nose.

    Of course, then stupid studnet comes back later that night to show a friend, holds the ball against his nose and gives it a sold PUSH...

    Beautiful.

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    1. Re:Bowlingball on a string by markmoss · · Score: 2

      That might not be the most beautiful experiment, but it's got to be the simplest beautiful one. Of course, as performed by that student, it's an intelligence test (or at least, a test for understanding of some very basic physics)...

  60. Plasma fire by jabber01 · · Score: 2

    Take a fresh, large grape, and cut it in half so that there is still a piece of grape-skin connecting the halves. Place this on a plate, and microwave on HIGH. Watch the pretty light-show.

    A similarly interesting, and eventually decorative result, can be achieved by microwaving AOL CDs..

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  61. Measurement of the speed of light by astrophysics · · Score: 2

    Galileo determined that light took finite time to travel and measured the speed of light. He used a crude telescope that third graders could build (if they bought a 1" lens), a clock, and grade school mathematics. The technique was to measure the time at which the Galilean satelites dissappeared and reappeared from behind the shaddow of Jupiter. Based on the difference between when the moons were observed to (dis)appear when the Earth and Jupiter were on opposite sides of the sun as opposed to when they were on the same side of the sun, we was able to determine that the speed of light was finite, the first step towards the developement of relativity. Of course, his measurements weren't very precise, since he didn't have a great measurement of the distance from the Earth to the Sun. In fact, once we had measured the speed of light in the laboratory, this technique was used to measure the distance from the Earth to the sun. I beleive this was the basis of the best measurements until the advent of radar (timing radio signals bounced off planets) and space probes (feeling the gravity of the planets).

    1. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      I thought that was Ole Romer, not Galileo.

      Oh, and Michelson measure the speed of light very accurately without radar and space probes, without using the distance from the Earth to the Sun.

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    2. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by David+Gould · · Score: 2


      My high school physics teacher described a pretty neat experiment that he had seen as a student -- in short, they measured the speed of light using a television set.

      They chose a location in a mostly flat area, where they could be at one corner of a triangle with the other points being a transmission tower and a nearby mountain (or some large landscape feature). When they tuned the television to the tower's channel, the picture had a faint afterimage, which they could deduce was caused by a reflection of the signal bouncing off the mountain. By measuring the distances between the three points, they could know how much extra distance the ghost signal was travelling, compared to the direct signal, and by knowing the trace frequency of the television and measuring the number of lines by which the afterimage was shifted, they could calculate the time. Result: speed of light.

      Well, I thought it was kinda cool.

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    3. Re:Measurement of the speed of light by astrophysics · · Score: 2

      You're right it was Olaf Romer.

      Yes, Michelson measured the speed of light very accurately. That allowed the measurement of the time delay for the reappearance of Jupiter's moons to become a way of measuring the distance from the Earth to the Moon accurately.

  62. Today's students by pokeyburro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nowadays, the most likely experiment students would grasp would be the effects of beer.

    Seriously though... Anyone who went to UT Austin and took physics would likely have heard of Prof. Rory Coker and his Physics Circus. All sorts of beautiful experiments there. Among them was a demonstration of airflow. Put a three-foot high glass cylinder, open at both ends, over the top of a candle, the cylinder being flat on the table so no air gets in that way. The candle will go out, even though the top is still open. Do it the same way, and slip a simple piece of cardboard into the top of the cylinder, making an "outflow" and an "inflow". Even though the cardboard is maybe six inches long, it's enough to keep the candle from going out.

    Then there's the experiment where Coker gets on a bed of nails and has his assistant bust cement blocks on a piece of plywood on his stomach.

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  63. subsonic shaping by spasm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dunno if this one is true, but it stuck in my head as being deliciously elegant..

    Supposedly, shortly before WWII German scientists were trying to work out the best shape to use for U-Boats. The solution was as follows:

    freeze a big long slab of ice with a rope embedded in it. Store it in a shed beside a long canal during winter. Wait for a day where the temerature of the water in the canal is zero degrees [everything in celsius, for the no-scientific americans among us] but has not frozen.

    On the magic day, drop the block of ice in the canal, & start towing it down the canal at the speed you're interested in having your u-boat move at. The friction created by being towed through water creates sufficient energy to crack the latent heat of freezing, the only thing differentiating the zero degree block of ice from the zero degree water around it, & the edges of the ice start to melt, causing the ice to start taking on the optimal minimum drag shape for the speed it's moving through the water at.

    Once the shape of the ice seems to have stabilized, you pull the block of ice out of the canal & measure its shape. Voila - you now have the optimal minimum drag shape for your u-boat.

  64. Pendulums by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The wave/particle and "acceleration indepency on mass" experiments are great, but I have a great respect for pendulum experiments. With them you can determine the mass of the earth, local gravity, determine that the earth does indeed rotate, mirror the findings of dropping differing masses, etc.. Not to mention that their ability to time events was important for a lot of other experiments.

  65. Really. by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, this exact question was asked at an Olympics of the Mind competition back in 1990 or so. Teams had to submit as many creative answers as they could.

    Answers were fantastic, far more creative than this one, included, but not limited to:

    Accellerate the building towards c until it appears the same size as the baromoeter, and use the resulting speed to calculate the original size.

    Drop it off, and observe the impact damage it makes to the ground. calculate the forces needed to do this.

    Run far away from the building and hold the barometer at arm's lentgh until it appears the same size as the building. DO some trig.

    Drop the barometer, and listen for the delay betwen it hitting the ground and the sound reaching you. Calculate height based on speed of sound.

    ANd I really wish I could remember some of hte other 50-odd answers that one team came up with... it was fantastic.

    And I think the thing about Bohr is an urban legend.

  66. Cloud Chamber by Confuse+Ed · · Score: 3, Informative

    Though not particularly revolutionary, creating a cloud chamber and seeing the paths of radioactive particles is really quite amazing the first time you see it.

    We did this experiement during A-Level physics, with small chambers using dry ice, alcohol and some of the small alpha and beta sources that schools are allowed to use.

    A quick google seach will turn up lots of instructions for making your own, for example :

    although without a radioactive source you'll have to sit around and wait until some cosmic rays create some ionizing radiation that hits your experiment.
  67. Schrodinger's cat? by Triv · · Score: 2

    Didn't I see something here awhile ago about someone trying to proove Schrodinger's Cat by locking a kitten in a boiler with a quickcam diligently watching the outside? Can't seem to find it tho.

    Triv

  68. The superfluidity of Liquid Helium by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about superfuidity?

    Seriously, that is one of the coolest and creepiest things at the same time, watching liquid helium crawl UP and spill out of a container. Granted liquid helium is rather expensive it is something which should really get the little buggers thinking and doing some research.

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  69. Re:light as particle by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2
    Get me an electron beam splitter and create an interferometer with 4 kilometer long arms. Now show an experiment which can only be explained by the fact that the electrons travel down both arms simultaneously. ...

    I don't think anyone's bothered to do such an experiment with 4-km interferometer arms, since you can demonstrate the wave nature of the electron with a much smaller apparatus. The simplest way is with the analogous 2-slit experiment for electrons -- requires very small slits, and so is generally done instead with a crystal lattice, but the results are just as you would expect.

    The way quantum mechanics is formulated -- which, I would point out, does an extremely good job of describing the world as we see it -- absolutely precludes describing anything purely as a particle or as a wave. And that's not even the spooky part ...
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  70. Shoot down a beer can in mid-air by cgtaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First year physics - Lancaster, PA Sept 1967
    Takes place is a large lecture theater. At one end of the room an empty beer can is suspended from near the roof by an electromagnet. At the other end of the room there is a long iron pipe hooked up to a canister of compresses air. At the end of the pipe there is a electromagnetic relay. Place a ball bearing the the pipe and aim it at the beer can across the room. Push a charge of air into the pipe, the ball bearing flies out of the pipe and as it leaves the pipe triggers the relay which causes the electromagnet to release the beer can. Both the beer can and the ball bearing begin to fall and accelerate at the same rate as the ball bearing flies toward the beer can. BANG. Our very very large physics professor, Prof. Richard Hood (aka happy) is heard to exclaim: "Ain't science wonderful". A true red letter day in a four year foray into college physics.

    1. Re:Shoot down a beer can in mid-air by po_boy · · Score: 2

      I can't get the magnet to hold my beer cans. You folks in the 60's sure had different stuff than we do today. No we have to use coffee cans.

  71. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

    Answer: nope. We can describe these phenomena perfectly well, in a language called mathematics. Sure it takes some years to gain fluency in, but so does German.

    I hope someone said something similar to your friend the philosophy student.

    To be clear, I'm not one of those string theorists who claim that reality itself is a mathematical construct, to which we ascribe some "physical" process to make ourselves feel better about it. They would say, write down the equations and that's all there is. Believe me, I know several of them. However, quantum mechanical objects can be completely described mathematically, and as such you can't hope to describe them more precisely in some other language.

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  72. Charge to Mass Ratio? by c_jonescc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Thompson experiment, or the modern manifestatin of, is by far my favorite.

    Electron gun in a helmholtz coil, where with just a bit of E&M you can figure out the charge to mass of an electron. Very pretty as well, with the glowing electron path being steered into a loop.

    Or shooting the falling monkey. It entertains the kids, and really hits home the idea that all things fall at the same rate, no matter how fast they are going laterally.

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  73. ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by raygundan · · Score: 2

    This is a very common misconception. And one of the worst kind, since it's ingrained into all of us as "the correct answer" to another "misconception".

    Look at it this way: the bigger an object is, the stronger the force of gravity it exerts. For instance, the sun exerts a whole heck of a lot more gravitational force than the earth. And the moon exerts less, since it is smaller. Now, just because something the size of a golf ball or a feather is very, very, very small, doesn't mean it isn't producing it's own gravitational field.

    Now, when compared to the gravitational force exerted by the earth, the force exerted by a golf ball is extremely tiny. Same with the feather. However, the golf ball's gravitational effect is bigger than that of the feather!! So, the total force acting between the golf ball and the earth is greater than that between the feather and the earth.

    More massive objects DO fall faster, since gravitational force DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON MASS. Here's the scalar equation for gravitational force on two bodies:

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2

    m1 and m2 are the masses of the two objects. If you make either one of them bigger, the force gets bigger. If you keep one the same (the earth) and plug in two values for m2 (a golf ball and a feather) the more massive m2 gives you more force! And substituting in the old trusty F = m * a, we get:

    F = m2 * a

    m2 * a = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2
    divide both sides by m2, and you get:
    a = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2

    Which clearly depends on BOTH masses.

    What your grade-school science book was trying to tell you (often poorly, hence the misconception-on-top-of-misconception) was that objects of the same mass but different densities would fall at the same rate without the effects of air resistance. (As in, "Which falls faster, a ton of rocks, or a ton of feathers?" NOT "Which falls faster, a cubic meter of rocks or a cubic meter of feathers?")

  74. My favorite: the Doppler effect... by Basje · · Score: 2

    Anytime an ambulance passes me, I'm amazed. The change in pitch of the sirens so clearly illustrates the Doppler effect.

    This must be the most easy experiment to conduct for any student. Just go sit outside a hospital for a couple of minutes.

    So when this question came up, I knew this was the one experiment for me :)

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  75. incorrect equation by raygundan · · Score: 2

    You're using a simplified form of that equation that assumes m1 + m2 ~= m1 (as in the earth+feather case-- one is so small compared to the other it makes almost no difference).

    The whole equation is:

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2

    Doing the work with F=m*a:

    F = m2 * a
    plug (m2 * a) in for F in the gravity equation:
    m2 * a = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2
    divide both sides by m2, and you get:
    a = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2

  76. Incorrect! by pq · · Score: 3, Informative
    And of course, the problem with doing that experiment was the even for Millikan's it was only selectively filtered data points that got published.

    Such a good story - it's a pity it is not true! Here's a link to David Goodstein's homepage - he's the vice-provost of CalTech - the second link on his homepage is a PDF file which should show you that the accusation is simply wrong.

    Take a look - it's not long, and it's well worth it - before slandering a beautiful experiment.

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  77. You need monochromatic light by MarkusQ · · Score: 2

    Something as simple as a piece of paper and a light source showed that classical mechanics was not enough to explain our universe and that quantum mechanics had to be invented.

    First, you might want to throw a prism on your list, or a laser, since it only works with monochromatic light. Secondly, this shows the wave nature of light, but it doesn't show the particle nature, so it doesn't really challenge classical physics when taken in issolation. You need something like the photoelectric effect, or an in-depth look at spectroscopy vs. black body radiation in addition to make trouble for classical physics.

    -- MarkusQ

  78. Chaos Theory demonstration by MrScience · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is so cool...

    Bohm further proposed that the holomovement I mentioned consists of two parts - an explicate order and an implicate order. I will clarify this difference with an example that Bohm himself developed.

    Imagine a jar filled with thick, transparent fluid-like glycerin, a highly viscous fluid. In the center of the jar is a cylinder rod with a handle so you can turn the rod. You add a drop of ink into the glycerin, and the ink just sits there. But when you turn the inner cylinder around, it pulls this drop of ink and stretches it out. If you continue turning, the ink is drawn out into longer, ever finer and fainter lines. Eventually, if you keep doing this, the ink actually disappears completely. You can no longer see it.

    Now at this point, it's very tempting to conclude that the order that was originally present in the drop has now been rendered completely random and chaotic by thorough mixing of the ink into the glycerin. So much so that you can no longer even see the ink. However, if you now reverse the direction of the rotation, what you find is that this thin long line of ink will begin to reappear. And as you continue the reverse rotation, it will continue to get thicker and more clearly defined, and eventually, it will completely reconstruct itself.

    Now this is a mechanical metaphor for what Bohm talks about. What it tells us is that a hidden order may be present in what appears to be random. That's a very important insight that Bohm had, so I'd like to repeat it. With reference to this example and with references to reality in general, what appears to be random may, in fact, contain a hidden order. And unless your epistemological net is sufficiently fine, or sufficiently broad, you may miss that hidden order.

    Bohm call this order the implicate order, because although the ink is dispersed to the point of not being visible, its order has, in some way, been preserved. Or, I should rather say it's been transformed into a different form, but it has not been destroyed. And it can then move from being implicate into what Bohm would call the explicate order, where the order has been made visible and made manifest. So we than have this ink dot reappearing.

    When the ink drop disappears, Bohm would say that its order is enfolded in the glycerin. When the ink drop reappears, its order is unfolded back into the explicate order. I am going to be using these terms, so I want you to be come familiar with them.

    Taken from http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:rAqZl1UCxFIC: www.fourthturning.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Ftopic %3D22%26forum%3D6+ink+rod+glycerin+drop-of-ink+tur n&hl=en.

    Interview with him about this very thing Here. Read up on this also here.

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  79. Re:light as particle by micromoog · · Score: 2

    Your obnoxious technicalities expose your ignorance.

  80. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    BZZZT! And thank you for playing! Here's your lovely parting gift.

    Yes, the more massive object will hit with more FORCE, but the accelleration (and hence the velocity upon impact) will be the same for both objects.

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  81. Some great experiments with Elixir of Life (Beer) by kaladorn · · Score: 2

    From the Tap Room.

    From Scientific American.

    And one from Science News.

    Now really, how would any of this classify you ask? It is accessible to students (at least I recall accessing a fair amount of it), it changed the way people think (at least about beer, and your eyes are opened to the wonderous presence of physics in everyday life), and if all else fails, you can usually drink your experimental supplies, which would be a damn risky proposition in many other experimental situations....

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  82. You can see a sonic boom here.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    from http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010221.html

    (Go to the page to see a sonic boom)

    "Explanation: Many people have heard a sonic boom, but few have seen one. When an airplane travels at a speed faster than sound, density waves of sound emitted by the plane cannot precede the plane, and so accumulate in a cone behind the plane. When this shock wave passes, a listener hears all at once the sound emitted over a longer period: a sonic boom. As a plane accelerates to just break the sound barrier, however, an unusual cloud might form. The origin of this cloud is still debated. A leading theory is that a drop in air pressure at the plane described by the Prandtl-Glauert Singularity occurs so that moist air condenses there to form water droplets. Above, an F/A-18 Hornet was photographed just as it broke the sound barrier. Large meteors and the space shuttle frequently produce audible sonic booms before they are slowed below sound speed by the Earth's atmosphere."

    So why does a bullet make less noise? well, if a sonic boom is the release of built up acoustic energy, then the bullet has two sources of noise to contribute to this: the explosive discharge, and the noise caused by displacing air along it's path.

    A jet, on the other hand, has two different sources of noise to build up and then release: A huge, noisy jet engine, and a far greater surface area for air to move over, causing a much louder rumble. This basically means that there is far more energy to turn into a 'boom' than a bullet has. Bigger bullets have a larger explosive charge, and a greater surface area to build up noise to be released on a sonic boom.

    So, to state the obvious, a large object creates a large sonic boom, and a small object creates a small sonic boom.

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  83. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    More massive objects DO fall faster, since gravitational force DEPENDS EXCLUSIVELY ON MASS. Here's the scalar equation for gravitational force on two bodies:

    This is either untrue or misleading, depending on whether you define "falls faster" as either "has greater acceleration" or "hits the ground first when dropped from the same height", respectively.

    F = G * (m1 + m2) * m2 / r^2


    What is this? The equation for the gravitational force experienced is F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. Where did you get the above non-symetric equation? The force is identical from the perspective of both masses, so how you got the above is a mystery. That equation is nonsense.

    Anyway, the acceleration experienced by m1 is (via substitution of F=ma) a1 = G * m2 / r^2.
    The acceleration experienced by m2 is a2 = G * m1 / r^2. Note that the acceleration for object one depends only on the mass of object 2, and vice versa. If you add these two accelerations, you get a formula similar to what you ended up with, (a1 + a2) = G * (m1 + m2) / r^2. But note that this is the total acceleration, not a1 or a2, but the sum of both, so it can't be used to get the force equation you materialized.

    The grade school book is in fact telling you that, barring wind resistance, a cubic meter of rocks does fall at the same rate as a cubic meter of feathers. It is telling you this because it is true, when you define "falling rate" as "acceleration towards the ground".

    Now, what probably confused you is the fact that if you were to drop the bricks and the feathers one at a time, the bricks would indeed hit the ground first. That is because the earth falls up at the bricks faster than toward the feathers. But if you were to drop both objects side-by-side and at the same time, they would strike the ground at the same time, as the earth would be accelerated toward both objects equally. Thus even if you define "falling rate" as "time until the ground is hit", your statement is still only correct some of the time.

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  84. Disproving N-Rays by Royster · · Score: 2

    I can't remember all the people who were involved, but Rene Blondlot claimed to have found a phenenomenon which he called N-rays. But there was a lot of difficulty in reproducing the experiments elsewhere. An American scientist Robert Wood travelled to France to see the apparatus of the team who claimed the discovery.

    The experiment took place in a darkened room and a trained observer called out the readinings he saw. Unfortunately, our scientist hero had removed a metal prism which was said to be a critical part of the apparatus. Under their theory, they should not have detected the readings that the observer "saw".

    This experiment demonstrates that science is done by *disproving* things as much as it is my *proving* things.

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  85. Maxwell, anyone? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    Deriving the speed of light from batteries and magnets, thereby also proving that the speed of light is independent of your frame of reference!

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  86. Jacob's Ladder - Definitely! by jacobb · · Score: 2
    This is so so so beautiful to see. Caution: it's pretty deadly if mistreated, though (you're playing with 15 - 30 kV ). On a relatively dry day, the "spark" that's produced is like a sheet of blue-ish electricity, traveling up the wires and bulging/shooting off the end with a really cool, audible buzz.
    If you place a piece of paper in between the wires (UNPLUG FIRST!), it will ignite dramatically too. Here is a text file with instructions and ascii art. Here's a cooler html file with a decent picture. Here's a site devoted to one guy's JL, and it has some cool gifs and a movie or two (both c. 700kB)- these are kind of disappointing though - the arc is whiter and kind of pathetically small.

    What happens is that the air is broken down TO PLASMA between the wires so that it conducts electricity, just like lightning 8-D. The spark then convects upwards due to the very hot air. After it's shot off, air is broken down at the bottom again, and another spark is started.

    The best photos are probably HERE, but they're yellow sparks (i think that's to do with the gas) which isn't in my opinion as cool as brilliant blue ones :). TechTV also has a page on it and a cool-ish video if you can view asx files. Their JL is pretty weak though, because it stops before the spark "falls off" the end - meaning the wires are too far apart for the voltage to be that small to be able to turn the air in between into plasma.

  87. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by Royster · · Score: 2

    Although Eratosthenes was a true genius the world hails Christopher Columbus as a hero even though his accomplishment was sheer accident. What does this tell you about how the world views science and scientists?

    More correctly, educated people knew in CC's time that the world was round. Columbus merely managed to come up with a smaller diameter than most people believed which made his trip practical. He was dead wrong and the prevailing view, based on E's calculation, was much more correct.

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  88. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

    Umm ... sorta. The feather and the bowling ball experience identical forces, and thus acquire the same velocity in a given time. However, as you say, we assume M_2 = 0 for the *other* force equation, the gravitational force of the feather/bowling ball acting on the earth.

    So if we put the M_2 term back in, we find that the bowling ball and the earth meet slightly sooner than for the feather, because the earth is more strongly attracted to the bowling ball. But obviously, this is a *very* small effect.

    At least, I think that's what you were getting at. I'm not sure what the moon had to do with it.

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  89. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    Erastothenes comfortably sat in Greece with a stick and theorized (correctly) about the nature of the world.
    Columbus ponied up his own ass and sailed over a horizon where, to the best of his knowledge, nobody'd ever been. He risked himself to experience that world.
    Ya can see the same difference today between astronomers and astronauts.


    Without astronomers, there would be no astronauts!

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  90. Shrodinger's Uncertainty experiment by KFury · · Score: 2
    Considering that the experiment has to be simple, and accessible to students, I'm gonna have to go with the Schrodinger's Cat experiment, proving Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.

    Ingredients:
    • One box
    • One cyanide pill
    • One cat
    • One quantum particle (optional)
  91. How about the statistical determination of PI by LadyLucky · · Score: 2
    Not physics, but still fun.

    Take a large class of students, and ask them to come up with any two whole numbers. The probability that any two numbers are relatively prime is related to pi. So you work out the proportion p of people with relatively prime numbers, and then pi = sqrt( 6/p ), IIRC.

    Not terribly accurate, but experimental mathematics is very interesting.

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  92. EPR? by RareHeintz · · Score: 2
    I'm surprised that nobody's yet mentioned the EPR experiment and the subsequent development of Bell's Inequality.

    OK, there, I've mentioned it.

    OK,
    - B

  93. scalar eqns by boarder · · Score: 2
    the scalar eqn is one that is in scalar format
    and not vector format (so no direction is taken
    into account).


    the vector format:

    F=G*m1*m2*r/||r||^3


    if you don't care about the direction of the
    force and just the magnitude, the radius vector
    turns into a scalar and cancels one of the radii
    in the denomenator.

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  94. Re:Photon as a particle or a wave by SEE · · Score: 2

    No. They can be completely self-consistent. The problem is that any mathematical system depends on axioms that cannot be proven within the system. However, to use mathematics as a descriptive language does not require that the axioms be proven; they merely need to be definable in mathematical language.

    With the simple neologism "wavicle", you can talk about them in English, too. The problem is that wave-particle duality is contrary to our normal experience, so anybody who doesn't deal with it regularly has a hard time undestanding it. But it's the same problem as teaching musical composition to someone who has never heard music.

    You can play a piece for them, and you can describe melodies and harmonies very precisely in terms of mathematical ratios. But the student isn't going to really understand what musical composition is about until you continually expose them to music for a long period of time.

  95. Better version by Arcturax · · Score: 2

    Ingredients:
    -One box
    -One cyanide pill
    -CowboyNeal
    -One quantum particle (optional)

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  96. Re:Smack me silly. You're right! by boarder · · Score: 2

    I would like to take credit for being the idiot who
    provided those equations...

    I blindly looked at old homeworks and didn't bother
    to take into account the context of the equations.

    I blame it on the US education system and the fact
    that I had to use M$ on my hw assignments (-;

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  97. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by jejones · · Score: 2

    Even more ironic: Eratosthenes was hassled by his fellows, nicknamed "Beta" because he wasn't the best at anything. Now we honor Eratosthenes for his prime sieve and for calculating the circumference of the earth, among other things...and we just know his fellows because they were jerks. Pace Larry Niven, sometimes there is justice.

  98. WFM (worksforme) by jacobb · · Score: 2
    Me and a couple physics teachers tried it in high school, in 1997 back when my high school was still a decent place and still had some good teachers. Anyway, it turned out anyone walking anywhere in the pretty large building disrupted the experiment significantly. As did cars passing outside (c. 200 meters [=660 ft] away). We finally got it to work reliably during a holiday period when the roads had been blocked off for some reason i forget. We set up video cams so we could observe without walking in the building, and it took long while to get going properly, but IT WORKED! :) We of course, used a laser and mirror accross the room so we could magnify the movement and measure it linearly on the wall.

    Of course, this was back when we had really cool, interesting, knowledgeable teachers, not just dick-cheese student-copyright infringing bastards like SERGEI HAZANOV (feed on it, spammobile!) that STEAL prototype graphics by a student willing to trade for an administration job. Grrrr. Of course, this is switzerland and i wasn't a citizen and couldn't prove good enough damages to build a case against him.

  99. Magnus and Coriolis Effects by cornflux · · Score: 2
    I've really enjoyed the comments on this story -- great stuff. Here are my two favorites: I think the Magnus Effect in baseball and the Coriolis Effect on weather are beautiful. Both are relatively easy to demonstrate, understand and have changed the way people enjoy their lives.
  100. Re:You are forgetting something by markmoss · · Score: 2

    Yes. I suspect that with a photomultiplier tube, you could do the one photon at a time experiment on a $1,000 budget now.

  101. I'll vote for the EPR experiment by renoX · · Score: 2

    It is not really a simple experiment but it shows that while information can not go faster the speed of light, a measurement at one site CAN have an "instant effect" at another location.

    Very strange stuff, I went to a conference made by Alain Aspect, a French guy who managed to "implement" what was only a "thought experience"..

    Really shows the weird nature of our reality..

  102. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    Turns out, unbeknownst to anyone, that Columbus' ass was saved because there was a land mass closer than halfway.

    It's pretty clear that Columbus knew that the Vikings, and possibly others, had journeyed out into the Atlantic, and found a continent on the other side, within reach of an open longboat from Greenland. Columbus also _assumed_ that continent was Asia. From the evidence available at the time, this was less of a leap of faith than believing the old legends in the first place was. Putting those two beliefs together, the world had to be much smaller than Eratosthenes estimate.

    I don't know why Columbus never considered the possibility that there was an unknown continent out there, except that he would have had considerable trouble selling the notion that, based only on ancient legends, he wanted to spend most of the king and queen's money to sail out across the apparently endless sea and if the ships and all that investment didn't go down somewhere out there, find a continent inhabited by savages who were tough enough to run the Vikings out and had little or nothing worth stealing.

    Spaniards might not have been daunted by tough natives -- in Ferdinand's and Isabella's life time, spaniards had ended 600+ years of Moslem kingdoms in spain, and then defeated the Turks, who had been terrorizing Italy and Eastern Europe for over a century. Compared to Turks, savages without guns or steel weapons weren't much of a threat. But Spanish soldiers were rarely interested in farming, and they expected to get a whole lot more plunder than corn, pemmican, and beads...

  103. Re:no Michelson-Morley? maybe just plain Michelson by markmoss · · Score: 2

    I think the mountaintop one is also possible for today's students, what with GPS and all, or even a really good topo map (+/- a few feet gets you close-enough-for-proof-of-concept).

    With a topo map, maybe, depending on the quality of the surveys. But GPS depends on the speed of light to work (it uses the delays in radio signals sent out at precise times from satellites, so when you use it to measure your baseline you are relying on someone else's measurement.

    OTOH, survey out a long baseline with enough precision (say across Kansas and neighboring flat lands), measure the GPS delays at each end, and you should be able to calculate the speed of light from that.

  104. Re:Microwave Funstuffs by spike+hay · · Score: 2

    It's simple to get ball lightning. This will usualy work. Just put a lighted match in your microwave. It will sometimes make nice plasma bursts of white.

    But the plasma gets VERY hot, so be sure to put a rock or somthing under it so it does not scorch the bottom of the microwave or anything.

    To keep your microwave safe, put a cup of water in the corner while it is in operation. If you have a cup of water in the corner, there should be little chance of damaging your microwave.

    Other experiments:

    Take a paper clip. Straighten it out and bend it so it is a U, with both ends bent in so they are fairly close. An arc should jump between the ends of the paperclip. This can melt glass.

    Stick a screwed-up cd in your microwave. It will look really cool after you nuke it.

    One last thing, the plasma emits mucho UV rays. You can get eystrain from doing this for too long. But these experiments just kick ass, however.

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  105. Cup of water doesn't spill in plane by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Preconditions: You're on a plane, and have a drink in a cup that's close to full (about a cm off the top is fine)
    Assumptions: the pilot is sane and sober; the plane is a commercial aircraft not designed for stuff like flying sideways
    Normal expectation: when the plane banks to one side, the water would spill out of the cup
    Observed behaviour: water level will remain parallel to that of the plane, and hence the table that the cup is on, and therefore won't spill.

    I noticed this a few years ago, and reasoned thusly: Other than the rudder of the aircraft, the plane has very little lateral resistance. When the plane turns, it banks at an angle to balance out the centripetal forces created by the plane's turning. To the people on the plane (and the beverage), this is simply an increased downward force, but looking out the window, it appears the plane is tilted.

    Of course, if the plane runs into turbulence, the drink may spill.

    <tim><

  106. Watch the moons of Jupiter through binoculars by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

    proving that not everything goes around the earth.

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  107. Gliders in Conway's Life by ynotds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    John Conway's Game of Life, the most well-known cellular automaton, shows how nonlocal phenomena can be generated from purely local rules.

    Since exposed to the science minded through Martin Gardner's column in Scientific American in 1970, Life has introduced many to the study of complex systems, emergence, etc, etc, which I now see as providing a broader context for the physics (and chemistry and biology and collaborative systems) which we find in this world.

    For the record, this does not mean that I am convinced that our cosmos is a cellular automaton, but rather that complex systems provide a tool even more powerful than traditional math for modeling, and thus in some ways understanding, our world.

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  108. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by glebfrank · · Score: 2

    It's pretty clear that Columbus knew that the Vikings, and possibly others, had journeyed out into the Atlantic, and found a continent on the other side, within reach of an open longboat from Greenland.

    Do you have any evidence to support this? Recall that it's only recently that the Viking's voyages to America became an accepted theory.

  109. Moot Point by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Science is prosaic. It's not there to be beautiful.

    If you twist it to make it beautiful, you're denigrating its value as science.

    Every experiment that falsifies its hypothesis is exactly as beautiful as it needs to be.

    --Blair

  110. Re:What about the acceleration of the earth? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2
    Technically, you're right. However, the earth's mass is so enormous that it makes no practical difference. By newton's third, ae = m * G / r^2 and a = M * G / r^2, giving that the acceleration between the earth and an object is

    G * (M + m) / r^2

    (M is the mass of the earth, and m is the mass of the object..) You can substitute values to satisfy yourself that the difference is completely negligible for any reasonable value of m, which is why the 'acceleration due to gravity' doesn't change based on mass.

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  111. Bicycle wheel and swivel chair by binney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sit in a swivel chair and hold a bicycle wheel with the axis vertical and the wheel itself perpendicular to your chest and the wheel spinning. Rotate the axis by 180 deg so that it is still vertical, but with the axis reversed. The chair starts to rotate to conserve angular momentum.
    Why I like about this one is that it is quite amazing if you haven't seen it before, but it demonstrates a principle of classical, high school physics.

  112. Re:light as particle by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Sorry, no.

    A stream of particles travelling down both arms simultaneously, without being waves, would not create the interference pattern we see.
    Same goes for light.

    We can say that a probability wave travelled through both slits simultaneously, and collapsed.

    Quantum mechanics shows how everything is both a wave and a particle. Light is no exception, it's just at one extreme end of things.

    Are you disputing that or something?

  113. Re:Nothing new there by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2

    But it would have been cool if they hadn't performed as expected. 'Uh Houston we have a problem, are you sure we're coming home?'

  114. Re:Gallileo's experiment is misleading. by p3d0 · · Score: 2
    No, actually, the grandparent article was right (though he was a bit careless with the math). Think of this: how quickly would a bowling ball with the mass of Jupiter fall at (through?) the surface of Earth?

    Certainly, all objects fall at the same rate at the surface of the earth. The force involved is given by:

    F = G m1 m2 / r
    But F=ma, so a=F/m. That means that the mass cancels; for instance, for m1, the acceleration due to gravity equals G m2 / r. So, each body's acceleration is independent of its own mass, but is proportional the other object's mass.

    So, consider the feather and hammer. While the feather accelerates toward Earth at 9.8m/s, the Earth and everything on it accelerates toward the feather at a negligible rate. Same with the hammer. Result: the observed acceleration for both objects is equal.

    However, consider our Jupiter-mass bowling ball. While the bowling ball accelerates toward Earth just like everything else at 9.8m/s, the Earth falls toward the bowling ball at about 318 times that rate, for an overall attraction of over 3100m/s!

    (Actually, the situation would be quite a bit more complicated than this because of the tremendous tidal forces involved, but you get the idea...)

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  115. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    It's unlikely that Columbus specifically knew the saga of Lief Ericson, but there were plenty of things available to indicate there was land within reach. There are maps from before 1492 showing a continent across the Atlantic. There is the legend of St Brendan, among others. And there is evidence that the English were cod-fishing on the Grand Banks a decade earlier. (For one thing, there was no impact on cod prices in England when due to a war Denmark barred the English from the Iceland fisheries.) It would take remarkable navigation for that age to sail around the Grand Banks for weeks and never veer a little west and discover land. Fishermen like to keep the best spots secret, but might have talked to someone who clearly was no competitor...

    I just think it a lot more likely that Columbus's research turned up at least one of these possible sources than that he persuaded the quite hard-headed Isabella to finance his expedition based on an unsupported claim that everyone else was wrong about the size of the world...

  116. Re:OT: Eratosthenes vs. Chris Columbus: True Hero? by markmoss · · Score: 2

    After the Spaniards had ethnically cleaned Europe of Muslims there was one other place to open a war front. That was India, which was known to be under the control of the Muslims at the time.

    The problem with that theory is that the Spanish had to sail only about 10 miles (to Africa) if all they wanted was to fight Muslims. Or a much easier voyage than an Atlantic crossing would bring them to the current center of Muslim temporal power (Istanbul) or to the Holy Land -- except by that time everyone know that attacking the Turks on their own turf was suicidal. So why would they have thought the Mogul (Mongol/Turkish Muslims) rulers of India would be vulnerable to a small company of soldiers staggering off a tiny ship after a voyage of months?

    Of course, Marco Polo's tale left reason to hope that the Chinese were still non-Islam and susceptible to conversion. (The Khan then ruling China actually asked for priests, but the papacy was too mired in internal conflicts to respond.) There might also have been some thought that there might be islands and smaller nations that were vulnerable to a military takeover, but I think the ostensible goal -- trade in spices, tea, and silk, bypassing the Turks, etc. -- was really the primary one. Of course, once they figured out that these "Indians" were different, and did not have the desired trade goods, but were getting gold from somewhere and were remarkably inept at warfare, the way to profits became obvious...

  117. Re:ACK!!!! Gravity is NOT independent of Mass!! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    My equation is only a simplification if you stop using Newtonian physics. Barring that, it is accurate. The acceleration of an object as a result of gravitational attraction to another object is proportional the mass of the -other- object, and the inverse of the square of the distance, and nothing else. a1 = G * m2 / r^2. This is true, and as accurate as Newton could predict.

    I quite clearly said that the earth (the 'other object' in this case) experiences an acceleration of its own dependent on the dropped object. And clearly if the earth accelerates toward the dropped object faster, r decreases faster and thus both a2 and a1 increase faster. I thought this was obvious.

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