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AbiWord 1.0.1 Released

plam writes "After 3 years of hacking, the AbiWord team has unleashed AbiWord 1.0.1 upon the world. AbiWord is a Free cross-platform word processor which runs on Linux and Windows, MacOS X, QNX, FreeBSD, Solaris and others. AbiWord is small and compact (20 times smaller than OpenOffice!), yet contains most of the features found in larger word processors, including Word and WordPerfect import/export."

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  1. About time by pope+nihil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually three years to write a fully-flegded cross platform word processor is pretty good. I remember back in the .7 days it was still pretty kickass. I haven't tried it in a while, but it would certainly be nice to have some alternatives, especially ones that load as fast as AbiWord.

    1. Re:About time by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny
      Consider that releases of Office come every two or years--and that's improving code that already exists.

      The actual coding only takes a couple of weeks. The rest of the time is consumed by product planners trying to think of any new features compelling enough to justify the price of an upgrade.

  2. 20 times smaller than OpenOffice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    20 times smaller than OpenOffice!
    Yeah, I tried to download it, and my up link was saturated for a good three hours.

    1. Re:20 times smaller than OpenOffice! by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, OpenOffice is actually pretty small. So is KOffice.

      But AbiWord is smaller than both of them put together.

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  3. Release announcement by plam · · Score: 5, Informative
    I didn't include it in the story, but here's our AbiWord 1.0.1 release announcement.


    The AbiWord team is proud to announce the release of AbiWord version 1.0.1, a free-software Word Processing program. More than three years in the making, AbiWord is a reliable, cross-platform word processor with many powerful features.

    AbiWord aims at robust inter-operability with existing products, including Microsoft Word(R), Corel WordPerfect(R), and others. AbiWord's goal is to incorporate the most useful features of these competing applications without the fluff, bloat, or slowness that generally accompany them.

    Translations and spell checking are available for more 30 different languages. An English Language Thesaurus for use within AbiWord can also be freely downloaded.

    We have not yet implemented tables or footnotes. Tables and footnotes are the first priority for our next development phase. We have already made impressive progress toward this and other new features.

    AbiWord is available for Linux and other Unix variants, Windows, Mac OSX and QNX.
    You can learn more about AbiWord from our website at http://www.abiword.com/.
    AbiWord can be downloaded from http://www.abiword.com/download/.

    AbiWord was initially developed by SourceGear Inc.; today, AbiWord development has been continued by a worldwide team of volunteer developers. AbiWord is free software available under the GNU General Public License.

    The AbiWord team can be contacted via email at: abi@abisource.com.
    1. Re:Release announcement by colmore · · Score: 2

      The second there's a good OS word processor that supports footnotes, I'm removing word from my computer.

      Heck I don't even really play games that much any more. I might even remove windows (or at least shrink the partition)

      To think the only thing keeping microsoft on my computer is *footnotes* sheesh

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    2. Re:Release announcement by mav[LAG] · · Score: 4, Informative

      You could try using Lyx. It has the best support for layout, tables, equations, code, sections, multiple output formats - and yes, footnotes, of any tool I've seen. It uses LaTeX as the engine but you don't need to know any of the syntax to get started.

      It depends what you want to do. If you're writing small pieces for immediate printing like letters, invoices or articles then Lyx is a bit over the top. But for academic papers, online (and printed) books, dissertations, code documentation and the like, it has no equal IMHO.

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    3. Re:Release announcement by colmore · · Score: 2

      There's a lesson to be had for Open Source developers.

      A million things that Linux can do that Windows can't will make me want to change. One thing that Windows can that Linux can't will make me stay.

      People are locked into their current feature sets. They can't give up functionality to gain different functionality.

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  4. need to try this new version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a high school student and I'm an advocate of open source software. I've installed AbiWord on several machines at school (which run Windows), and most of the people at school are happy with it. It opens most Word documents (at least ones they've come across), and the best part of it, is they don't even have to pay a single dime for Office to do word processing. :-)

  5. is there anything like this coming out?? by josh+crawley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is superb, but what'd be really good is a spreadsheet that they could interuse. Perhaps, AbiSpread ?

    Then again, what is an ABI ?

    1. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by neo8750 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Then again, what is an ABI ?

      ABI is Application Binary Interface

    2. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, as AbiWord is part of the Gnome office suite, the accompanying spreadsheet program for that environment would probably be Gnumeric. Anything apart from Gnome, I'm afraid I don't know a whole lot about, but I know that decent free spreadsheet applications do exist.

    3. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by plam · · Score: 5, Informative

      Abi is an ant. She's blue.

      As for spreadsheets, in the near future we release code which is able to embed Abiword files in Gnumeric and allows Evolution to use AbiWord to read emails.

    4. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by Arandir · · Score: 2

      AbiWord may be a part of Gnome Office, but it isn't a Gnome-only application. It will build and run just fine without Gnome. So knowing if it will eventually integrate with other non-exclusively-gnome office apps is something I a lot of people would like to know. Frankly, I'm not interested in installing Gnome just to get an office suite.

      To keep things fair, I also think it would be great if KOffice could be built as a Qt-only suite as well.

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    5. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

      AHH OK. I've seen it on the program. I figured that this any was the mascot, but I didn't know it was "ABI". Well.

      Anyways, about the lack of a grammar check engine (some other poster was whining about it...Would this work?

      1: Make a database that has every word in the dictionary. Have a field for Word, Thesaurus, "All Possible types of Grammar". (this is a nasty step)

      2: Write associations code for sentance creation. This is where tense checking will come up. Also nasty is the code for "grammar type" detection. I'm guessing you could use queries to a internal database (internal as in editable file)

      3: Then write the pretties code, like apostrophie addition code, undoubling accidently doubled letters, applying 1 space between words. I'm meaning all the stuff that makes Office2K look pretty.

      I look at this and I see lots of man hours on that huge database. Still if we had that database done, would it be possible for the grammar code be written into ABIword?

      Thank you :_)

    6. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by msevior · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Checkout linkgrammar.


      http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/


      We plan to work with them for a grammar checker.

    7. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by plam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      AbiWord may be a part of Gnome Office, but it isn't a Gnome-only application. It will build and run just fine without Gnome. So knowing if it will eventually integrate with other non-exclusively-gnome office apps is something I a lot of people would like to know. Frankly, I'm not interested in installing Gnome just to get an office suite.


      We certainly intend to keep the non-GNOME AbiWord as a viable option. But we don't have the resources to start building our own spreadsheet (or other office apps).

      If there's an interoperability API to code to, there's good chances that someone (probably Martin Sevior, he rocks) will implement the bits AbiWord needs in order to use this API so that Abi can be embedded in other programs.

      I think there was work on other cross-application interfaces e.g. for Windows too. I don't know any details about this.
    8. Re:is there anything like this coming out?? by quintessent · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds really cool. Just as long as Abi the Ant doesn't appear on my desktop and offer to help me type a letter.

  6. Word Processor Alternatives by KrisWithAK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even though people can argue about what software is better to work with, I can see a benefit in having multiple programs that do the same thing. In the case of using AbiWord vs. OpenOffice as a word processor, AbiWord would be great to use as your default viewer for word processor files in your web browser since it is quite a bit smaller and will launch very quickly. On the other hand, if you end up needing to do some hardcore editing and prefer OpenOffice, you can take the extra couple of seconds to launch OpenOffice if it is necessary. There is value in having a choice!

  7. Grammar Checking... by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, I'm a University Student (one of those eternal students actually). That means I end up doing a lot of word processing, paper writing, and the like. And its not always in English either. At the same time, having a grammar checker on hand does make proof-reading my own papers much easier, for simple stuff like subject-verb agreement, and the use of active voice instead of passive voice. In my brief experiments with both OpenOffice and AbiWord, both lacked a grammar checker to do this.

    Thus, I end up using MS Word for these things, not only because my professors only deal with MS Word format, but also because of the added feature of grammar checking. However, MS Word isn't exactly perfect in this respect. I do large amounts of my writing in the University computer labs, on their mass installs of MS Word, which only deal in English. Microsoft charges extra for increased language support in Word (last I checked it was a fairly sizable amount of money too). But I digress...

    Unfortunately, its hard to break the MS Word strangle hold not only because of the file format being so nasty to deal with, but also the fact that MS has developed a very good and useful feature in its grammar checker.

    1. Re:Grammar Checking... by msevior · · Score: 2, Informative
      We have some possibilities for Grammer checking and will work with other open source programs to implement it in AbiWord.



      See: http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/


      We've already discussed collaboration and have the beginnings of a plugin.

    2. Re:Grammar Checking... by great+throwdini · · Score: 4, Funny

      [C]an anybody tell me why the use of active voice is preferred over passive voice?

      I'm certain you meant to ask: Can anyone tell me why people prefer active voice to passive voice?

    3. Re:Grammar Checking... by rubinson · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thus, I end up using MS Word for these things, not only because my professors only deal with MS Word format, but also because of the added feature of grammar checking.

      You might the Unix utilities "style" and "diction." They don't do "grammar" checking per say (i.e., they don't cite passive voice or subject-verb agreement) but this is rather simple stuff that you should catch anyways.

      Diction identifies (and suggests remedies for) commonly misused phrases and lengthy sentences. Style evaluates the complexity of [sections of] your document.

      I don't think that I'm describing them very well, but, as an academic, I've found them (along with wordnet and ispell) to be indispensible. And they're probably already installed on your system. Check 'em out.

      The homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/diction/diction.html

    4. Re:Grammar Checking... by frantzdb · · Score: 2
      According to Strunk & White:

      The active voice is usually more direct and vigorous than the passive:

      I shall always remember my first visit to Boston.

      This is much better than

      My first visit to Boston will always be remembered by me.

      The latter sentence is less direct, less bold, and less concise. If the writer tries to make it more concice by omitting ``by me,''...it becomes indefinite...

      They go on to point out that active voice is not always better. One good use of passive voice is in emphasizing passivity as in ``the old lady was attacked'' rather than ``someone attacked the old lady.''

      --Ben
    5. Re:Grammar Checking... by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      The passive voice is perfectly grammatical and useful in cases where you want to place emphasis on an act rather than who is doing it. It's mainly a usage bugaboo becasue it's all to easy to slip into using it habitually. Excessive use makes your writing sound evasive, wishy-washy, and wordy. A lot of bad government writing abuses the passive voice.

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    6. Re:Grammar Checking... by Docrates · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, its hard to break the MS Word strangle hold not only because of the file format being so nasty to deal with

      I disagree.

      Always save your documents as RTF, which has all the features you need, and send them in that format to any MS Word user. Not a single one will complain, most won't even notice. All word processors translate RTF flawlessly.

      Interoperability is a problem when THEY use Word and YOU have to read their docs, then, if they inserted an image inside a table using a floating picture allignment layout, or some other stupid lazy usagage of Word, you'll have a problem opening them since it'll probably be distorted.

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    7. Re:Grammar Checking... by Bronster · · Score: 5, Funny

      You might the Unix utilities "style" and "diction."

      You might the Unix utilities yourself, Yoda.

      Strong in this one the force is.

    8. Re:Grammar Checking... by autechre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never actually seen the grammar checker in Microsoft Office do anything useful. I think it's a bit fiddly to have a computer attempt to do such a thing in the first place (like a spell checker, it certainly won't catch all of the errors). I've often disagreed with it.

      The best method by far (IMHO) is to have someone else proofread your writing. If he is also a writer, you can trade. When proofreading your own work, errors will often slip by, because your brain knows what _should_ be on the page.

      It's also very helpful to read a lot of edited material (books, newspapers, etc.). _The_Elements_of_Style_ is a nice guide.

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    9. Re:Grammar Checking... by Chasuk · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but as a university student (especially one who describes himself as an "eternal" student), you shouldn't be relying on grammar checkers for simple stuff like subject-verb agreement and active/passive voice.

      I am not a grammar Nazi, but I find a thesaurus more of an enemy than a tool. I've revised hundreds of papers for friends and family, and it always obvious when someone with the vocabulary of a gnat has overdosed on the use of a thesaurus.

      Grammar checkers are only useful tools for people who already have at least a basic understanding of grammar. Too many times, I've watched my wife or my friends blindly make a change suggested by Word because they assumed that Word was infallible.

      Yes, I've probably made numerous grammatical errors above, so there is no need for a wit to point them out.

    10. Re:Grammar Checking... by dos+equis · · Score: 2, Informative
      We already support spell checking for all these languages. We support check-as-you-type too.
      • American English
      • Brazilian Portuguese
      • British English
      • Catalan
      • Czech
      • Danish
      • German
      • Greek
      • Spanish
      • Esperanto
      • Finnish
      • French
      • Galician
      • Hungarian
      • Irish (Gaelic)
      • Italian
      • Lithuanian
      • Latin
      • Dutch
      • Norwegian (Nynorsk and Bokmal)
      • Polish
      • Portugues
      • Russian
      • Slovakian
      • Swedish
      • Swiss German
      • Ukrainian
    11. Re:Grammar Checking... by Metrol · · Score: 2

      ...you shouldn't be relying on grammar checkers for simple stuff like subject-verb agreement and active/passive voice.

      I've got a friend that I webmaster a news site for. He gets all kinds of mail, press releases, editorials, and such coming at him. He's pretty good with grammar, but trying to proof that much information just isn't reasonable for that amount of content.

      For this reason, more than almost any other, I have not fully endorsed the notion that he should run any kind of *nix. It would simply cost him way too much time and effort for this one feature available in Word.

      The only point I'm trying to make here is that there are other uses for grammar utilities than just having a person check their own work. I would imagine many other folks also run sanity checks on written material through Word prior to publishing.

      ...blindly make a change suggested by Word because they assumed that Word was infallible.

      Too sadly true. Thing is, grammar checking in bulk is probably more of a time consuming task for a human than spell checking. Grammatical errors tend to be far more subtle, and many times invisible until the sentence is spoken aloud.

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    12. Re:Grammar Checking... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2
      I think it's a bit fiddly to have a computer attempt to do such a thing in the first place (like a spell checker, it certainly won't catch all of the errors).
      The "Grammatik" grammar checker in WordPerfect 6 for DOS blew me away. That was one hell of a piece of code! The thing was nearly a mind-reader. It didn't catch everything, but Word still hasn't come close. If you can get a copy of WP6, I encourage you to check it out.
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    13. Re:Grammar Checking... by aussersterne · · Score: 2

      If you are relying on the Word grammar checker for correctness, you're in trouble... it is easily confused and often wrong.

      Perhaps you should learn your grammar before going to university?

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    14. Re:Grammar Checking... by Permission+Denied · · Score: 2
      Although I hate to do this, I'll have to agree with you.

      When I was in University, I took some French writing classes. Being a CS/Math guy, I did all my papers in LaTeX. I even wrote scripts to translate my ISO-8859-1 text that I input using Emacs to standard LaTeX escape characters, since I didn't want to have to deal with Babyl.

      However, this teacher wanted Word documents. So I installed Word 2000 on my laptop under VMware. Word didn't like how my text had line breaks - it expected no line breaks within a paragraph. So I wrote another script to translate my normal text into this one-line-per-paragraph format (there's also an emacs mode that does this automatically, but I didn't bother with that). So, I eventually got it so I could just copy over a text file, import into Word, change the style of the whole thing from 'plain text' to 'normal' and send it off.

      Then I discovered Word's spelling and grammar check. I had given up on these for English documents long ago since it can't handle anything more complicated than Hemingway, and my writing looks more like Hawthorne.

      Word's grammar check for French is amazing. Half my papers needed to be emailed and were done in this hybrid write-in-emacs import-to-word-and-grammar-check fashion, and half my papers were just written in Emacs/LaTeX. I received better grades on the papers that had gone through Word's grammar check.

      Now, my French isn't horrible, but, like most non-native speakers, I have lots of problems remembering gender; this isn't really a grammar problem (I know my grammar), but more of a vocabulary problem, since there are a lot of words whose gender you just have to memorize (you can also figure out a lot of words just by their endings, but not all words). Word would catch all of these errors - not just the really simple stuff like articles, but also making adjectives agree when they were in a completely different part of the sentence than the object. It's actually quite impressive.

      I still used Emacs to write my documents, just because I can't stand this idiotic point-and-click editing (I have to use the arrow keys to move the point!?). I had also gotten used to Mule's 'french-postfix' input method, and I couldn't get used to the weird azerty keyboard layout in Windows.

      Honestly, I completely hate Word, and all other "word processors," and would rather avoid them if at all possible. If someone could write a unix command-line grammar check that's as good as Word's, I would be very happy. If someone else could incorporate into Emacs, like how ispell works with flyspell-mode, I would be even happier.

    15. Re:Grammar Checking... by Permission+Denied · · Score: 2
      Isn't the time spend in high school supposed to teach you these skills anyway?

      No, no, no...you've got it all wrong. You obviously don't understand anything about how the American education system works (wink, wink).

      College is were you're supposed to learn this stuff. This is why virtually all serious four-year universities in the US have what they call a "core" requirement (I'm thinking Ivy League schools and their peers). Basically, you spend your first two years of college writing papers on literature, political philosophy and history. You might also get in a couple math classes.

      Your third and fourth year of college is where you start taking only relevant classes.

      Some people call this "liberal" or "liberal arts" education. It's funny because the US is the only country I know of that follows "the great European tradition of liberal education." I don't know of too many foreign universities with a "Great Books" program. French and German engineers don't have to take political philosophy courses in college. In fact, they probably won't take any polisci in the last couple years of high school.

      Now, you try to get into a math grad school in the US with your BS and good grades, and you'll have a good chance; but why? Because schools can only take so many Hungarian and Romanian mathematicians who've actually been doing mathematics since high school.

      But I digress; your question was about what you're supposed to learn in high school. As far as I can tell, the answer is nothing. You're supposed to spend high school "developing your individuality" through "extra-curricular activities," such as driving to McDonald's and playing sports.

    16. Re:Grammar Checking... by n-baxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...if they inserted an image inside a table using a floating picture allignment layout, or some other stupid lazy usagage of Word...

      Just because something is easy to do, doesn't make it stupid or the doer lazy. Software is supposed to make things easier for the user.

    17. Re:Grammar Checking... by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      It's commonly seen in I.T. also, where nobody wants to accept the blame for the results of their poor management or software development decisions.

      AKA. "The price of software licensing will go up by 30% next year." instead of "Microsoft will raise our prices on software licensing by 30% next year."

    18. Re:Grammar Checking... by HiThere · · Score: 2

      While I balk at calling the MS grammar checker good, the rest of your argument makes sense. As far as I can tell it is ONLY useful to someone who is composing in a second language. I can't recall ever accepting any of the changes that it suggested.

      Perhaps they would do better if the concentrated on only finding actual mistakes (i.e., reducing their false positive number). This should probably be born in mind by any prospective grammar checking competitor. If your error rate is too high, then you won't be attended to even when you are correct.

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    19. Re:Grammar Checking... by pthisis · · Score: 2

      Some people call this "liberal" or "liberal arts" education. It's funny because the US is the only country I know of that follows "the great European tradition of liberal education." I don't know of too many foreign universities with a "Great Books" program. French and German engineers don't have to take political philosophy courses in college. In fact, they probably won't take any polisci in the last couple years of high school.

      Now, you try to get into a math grad school in the US with your BS and good grades, and you'll have a good chance; but why? Because schools can only take so many Hungarian and Romanian mathematicians who've actually been doing mathematics since high school.


      Not really true in my experience. I went to public school (high school) in the U.S. and certainly had my share of mathematics--we finished AP Calculus (AB and BC) and some linear algebra in junior year and did differential equations and more linear algebra senior year. Of course, not everyone opts for the accelerated track which leads to...

      The real difference between school in Europe vs. stateside is that in Europe there's no stigma associated with going to a trade school instead of university. Here in the US, trade schools are viewed as an option for the uneducated and so a lot of people who don't have any need or desire for a university education wind up in university anyway, which means that universities have a high percentage of courses covering things that really ought to be covered in high school. But the top US students, those who would go on to university in a European system, tend to have just as good an education. In my experience, anyway. In other words, the problem isn't that US high schools are that bad, it's that too many people are going to college who might be better served with European-style trade educations.

      Or to put it delicately, most colleges have two tracks; one is those who are in college because it's the thing to do socially, and one is those who actually want/need a college degree. But the second group is about the same size (slightly larger per capita) as the European university group and in my estimation equally well-prepared.

      The reason you stand a good shot at getting into grad school is that the tremendous number of college graduates in the US mostly don't apply to grad school. Only the top few do--there isn't the same social pressure to get a postgraduate degree. Indeed, about the same number of US students apply to grad school each year as the totals for France, Germany, and the UK, which works out to 2/3 as many per capita and less than 1/3 as many per college graduate. Those that apply are among the best prepared and the best qualified and matriculation rates from doctorate programs are actually higher for the Americans than the Europeans (even when grouped by university, though I can only find those numbers for U.S. doctoral programs and not for European or masters programs).

      Handful of facts from the NSF's last study on higher education: U.S. university attendance has skyrocketed over the last 50 years, from 2.5 million enrolled to over 14 million enrolled. 35 out of every 100 college age individuals in the US are enrolled in college, as compared to 24 per 100 in Germany and 13 per 100 in France. The UK, Canada, and Australia are the major exceptions (UK sends 35/100).

      Sumner

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    20. Re:Grammar Checking... by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

      I use passive voice because English doesn't have a gender-neutral pronoun for people (it has "it", but that's not meant for people), and it is considered bad form to overuse "you" as if the document is talking to the reader. So when I want to say things like "To make the Foo do Bar, you have to do Baz.", I render that as "Making the Foo do bar is accomplished by doing Baz.", or "Doing Baz will cause the Foo to do Bar". MS Word kept telling me I was overusing passive voice, so I just told it to go stuff itself and turned off the grammer checker until such a time as MS chooses to let me write technical documents at something above a grade school level.

      Passive voice is not necessarily a bad thing.

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    21. Re:Grammar Checking... by Docrates · · Score: 2

      When you paste an image in Word, the default alignment layout for that image is "floating". Floating images completely destroy possible compatibility with anything else, including different installation of the same word document. I've seen two computers with the same version of Word, but with different printer drivers (which are used as part of the rendering process) that place those images in different locations. Also manipulating a floating image (as in moving it around) is completely erratic. So yes, it's a stupid lazy usage of Word to paste an image and not "fix" it's alignment layout.

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      There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
    22. Re:Grammar Checking... by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

      His comment is an excellent example of why discouraging passive voice is a dumb idea. His sentence and yours don't say the same thing. His sentence left it open as to who or what prefers the passive voice. You changed the meaning when you assumed falsely that he was talking only about why PEOPLE prefer it. He could just as easily have been talking about why the program prefers it. He left it vague on purpose, since he presumably doesn't know who it is that is preferring passive voice, and that's partly why he was asking.

      Avoiding passive voice universally is a bad idea.

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    23. Re:Grammar Checking... by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

      Your example given was a bad use of passive voice only because the subject of the action was mentioned at the end, and passive voice was therefore unhelpful and needlessly wordy. But this does not mean that using passive voice a lot is a bad thing, as MS Word falsely assumes. Often passive voice is used a lot throughout a document because in that document the subject of the action isn't known. This tends to happen a lot in technical documents that explain what will happen if a particular action is performed, without really caring who it is that performs that action.

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  8. Suggestions by Sir+Homer · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, the news is kind of old, as AbiWord 1.0.1 was put out more then a week ago. (April 29, 2002) Secondly, I would like to praise the AbiWord team. I use AbiWord for pretty much everything I need to formally write. It covers all the features most people use and I love how it loads so damn fast. (Six times faster the MS Word when I tested it.) I have some suggestions though in order of prority (if your not already working on it): - Grammar Check - Tables (sorry if I'm wrong and AbiWord does support tables) - Compile html files to a Windows standard help file Thank you for such a great piece of software!

    1. Re:Suggestions by ZigMonty · · Score: 2

      First of all, the news is kind of old, as AbiWord 1.0.1 was put out more then a week ago. (April 29, 2002)

      Did you submit the news to slashdot? If you did and it got rejected then your comment is reasonable. If not, why didn't you? If everyone had your mentality then the only stuff on slashdot would be the stuff CmdrTaco finds.

      Do you get a kick out of the elite feeling of knowing news no one else knows or are you just too lazy to fill out a submission?

      Sorry if this sounds harsh, it's not meant to be a troll. I'm just sick of people whining about the fact that slashdot occasionally gets (oh the humanity!) week-old news. I can understand if it's news from the 70s or 1995 or if it's repeated but week-old?

    2. Re:Suggestions by saintlupus · · Score: 2

      I can understand if it's news from the 70s or 1995

      No, that belongs under the "science" topic.

      (20 seconds passing....)

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  9. Cool, but.. by banky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have on my hard drive at home a half-dozen documents that fall into the category of "standard Word documents", which is to say, they're the kind of documents you'd see on the "average" corporate network.

    Even Word sometimes chokes and dies on them.

    My point is, when I see "import Word documents", I can't help but think, "But what kind of Word documents?". I got burned too many times trying to convince my officemates to go away from MS and Office. Those documents are now a shrine for me: parse and display these, and you've won. Otherwise, don't even try to claim you can import Word.

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    1. Re:Cool, but.. by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

      and now we eagerly await your posting of the results. Will AbiWord pass your stringent criteria? Will it fall like so many office clones before it?

      I'm intrigued by the '20 times smaller than Word' that AbiWord is described as, but if it can't handle nonstandard documents, it's useless to me as well...

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    2. Re:Cool, but.. by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, have you made these doc files available to developers of AbiWord, OpenOffice, KOffice, etc? It's hard to fix what you can't reproduce.

      Come to think of it, I've got a few files like that too -- old files from MS Word for Macintosh circa 5.0 (ie about 10 years old). MS Word (Windows versions) can sometimes be coaxed and coerced into reading them, but only with the proper filters installed (which aren't by default).

      I guess by your rules even Word shouldn't claim it can import Word.

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    3. Re:Cool, but.. by banky · · Score: 2

      >So, have you made these doc files available to developers of AbiWord, OpenOffice, KOffice, etc? It's hard to fix what you can't reproduce.

      Most developers I have spoken to generally dismiss it; either "there' just some things that won't work" is the line I always hear.

      >I guess by your rules even Word shouldn't claim it can import Word.

      Yep. Exactly. Of course when I say that, I'm either a zealot or a freak/idiot/etc. Apparently the rest of the world has no problems with documents like this.

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    4. Re:Cool, but.. by Metrol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even Word sometimes chokes and dies on them.

      Have you considered the very real possibility that the problem isn't the import filters, but some corrupted doc files? Especially earlier versions of Word did not much care for "open > edit > save > open > edit > save > rinse > repeat". Repetitive edits of the same document tend to start mucking things up.

      You might try copy and pasting your files clean. If offending document can open, copy everything outta there and paste into a new doc.

      I know it sounds like a cheap hack, but I have seen this work. With that fresh, and free of extra cruft, document you might want to try some of those import filters again. They may still not work fully, but at least they've been given a fair test.

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    5. Re:Cool, but.. by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      One of our computers here has some sort of problem and corrupts word documents to the point that when you open them on another computer, word locks up.

      I had a particular one today that somehow managed to get two lines of text formatted in such a way that each character was allegedly on a separate page, but the two lines displayed perfectly on screem. Only the page counter in the status bar gave it away. Any attempt to open it in Word (97 - 2002) resulted in endless repaginating.

      Staroffice 5.2 however read it fine, and was able to save it back as a word document, good as new.

      This sort of corruption has happend a few times, and SO 5.2 has always managed to open the file fine.

      I guess sometimes it helps to use an import filter.

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  10. Re:tables???? by Troodon · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to this manual section it appears to offer very basic table support.

    "This will allow you to create simple tables. More sophisticated table support is the major feature planned for AbiWord 1.2. The developers already know that it is needed, and are already working on it."

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  11. I'm surprised that Microsoft... by cliffy2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hasn't filed suit against them yet for "Copyright Infringement." I mean... they've got "Word" in their name! Doesn't anyone remember the "Lindows" debacle?
    ...not saying that either side is right, but there's always room for some more Microsoft bashing in this world.

    1. Re:I'm surprised that Microsoft... by kraf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, that would be trademark infringement.

      But anyway, I don't think Word is a trademark, that would be ludicrous.
      Check this page for more.

  12. My Review of AbiWord for Open CD by Sir+Homer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Current Version: 1.0.1
    Website: http://www.abiword.com/
    Licence: GNU General Public Licence
    Operating System: Windows, Mac OS X, UNIX (including Linux), BeOS
    Size: 4MB
    Tested on: Windows 98
    Major Propertary Competitors: Microsoft Word Screenshot: [N/A] Ease of Use Review:

    Interface (9/10)
    Suprise! Suprise! Anyone who ever used Microsoft Word before should have no problem using AbiWord, as the interface is modeled after it. Very easy to find formating functions and there are even the red lines under misspelled words. Help System (6/10)
    While the help system is very detailed, it is not easy to navigate. Lack of a "search" feature is also a minus. It would be best if the authors of AbiWord compiled the HTML files into a single Windows .chm Help file. Speed (10/10)
    Jebus! This thing is fast! In the test, AbiWord loaded 6 times faster then Microsoft Word. It's lack of any bloat really gives it a advantage on Microsoft Word on both loading of the program, opening/saving documents, and running on lower end systems. Overall (8/10)
    AbiWord is a great alternative to Microsoft Word for most uses. Most of the important features that exist in Microsoft Word exist in AbiWord, however I miss grammar check. It supports *.doc files well, and autoamticly ignores objects it doesn't know in the MS Word file.

  13. AbiWord Rocks by PlaysWithMatches · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been following AbiWord development for a while, and I'm still amazed by this little piece of software. I use it for all my small- and medium-sized documents (anything larger and I use LyX), and I love it.

    One of the strong points of AbiWord is there's all sorts of nice "little things" features, such as the ability to import and export PalmDoc and PsionWord documents (I have both a PalmOS handheld and a Psion/EPOC/Symbian/whatever handheld). The lack of tables is a drag, but once that's added, I think this will truly be the perfect lightweight word processor. None of that useless bloat a la MS Office, just the features 99% of people need 99% of the time. Kudos to the AbiWord team.

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  14. AbiWord beats SO and Word, better fallback by ghostlibrary · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, I use AbiWord now for all my Word translation. I get a lot of submissions that (according to our writer's guidelines) should be 'ordinary plain (ASCII) text', naturally people send Word DOC files or RTFs or PDFs (argh!)

    Anyway, AbiWord is the _only_ tool that's successfully opened up everything I've thrown at it. In particular, stuff from Mac Word tends to choke StarOffice and, oh, MS Word (gotta love that 'standard', as you note sometimes it can't handle its own stuff!)

    And their 'automatic detection' kicks ass. I _hate_ the concept that I have to figure out which version of Word something was created in-- hello, isn't that the programs job?

    My guess is the AbiWord people implemented good fallback/failsafe stuff, so that format trouble is 'guessed at and warned' rather than simple core dumped.

    Given AbiWord, I've now weaned myself entirely off MS products (including Windows) for everything except my big dumb game box in the basement (ooh, Serious Sam II!)

    MS should buy AbiWord and just replace their product with it :)

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    1. Re:AbiWord beats SO and Word, better fallback by robinjo · · Score: 2

      If AbiWord has successfully opened everything you've thrown at it, you don't really have any complex docs. IIRC, AbiWord doesn't handle tables, for example.

      OTOH OpenOffice has really shined with docs AbiWord couldn't handle. It actually did so well that I ended up uninstalling AbiWord and only use OpenOffice now.

  15. Re:Tables, Equations, Footnotes by plam · · Score: 5, Informative

    No equations in the forseeable future. But, we're accepting patches. If you just send a patch to abiword-dev[AT]abisource.com, it will most likely be committed that day.

    Tables and footnotes/endnotes will be in 1.2. We are overhauling the layout engine to support them.

    Tables are nontrivial to implement correctly. Currently, if you really want tables, you can simulate them using tabs and over/underlining.

    I started implementing endnotes[1] a while ago, but I got distracted by real life. They're not that hard, though, and once we have a new and more powerful layout engine, footnotes and endnotes should be fairly easy to implement.

    [1] Footnotes go at the bottom of each page; endnotes go at the end of each section.

  16. Re:AbiWord's size by AntiNorm · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it's true that AbiWord is 20 times smaller than OpenOffice and still provides comparable capabilities, those coders sure know what they are doing!

    Keep in mind that OpenOffice has a lot more than AbiWord does, though...like a spreadsheet program, presentation program, etc. To say that AbiWord is 20x smaller than OpenOffice is misleading; it is, but this is because it is just a word processor and not a full-fledged office suite.

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  17. WordPerfect by rubinson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the WordPerfect filters are decent, this is--for me, at least--huge. WordPerfect still has a strong presence in certain industries. Law is frequently mentioned but many academics are still using WordPerfect as well. Indeed, I keep a copy of WordPerfect 8 for Linux (the native version, not that crappy Wine port) on my machine for occassional file from my colleagues (as well as for a handful of my own files from my days of using WP).

    I no longer have any need for Word thanks to OpenOffice; perhaps AbiWord will permit me to eliminate the last of my proprietary applications from my desktop.

  18. Wow by aengblom · · Score: 2

    This may or may not be a replacement for MS Word, but it certainly could be a replacement for winword. Opens almost instantly on my quasi-antique PII with a good feature set. It's won the right to sit on my HD for the right moment to come along and it's a shoe-in for my pentium laptop.

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  19. Re:AbiWord's size by mark_lybarger · · Score: 4, Informative

    abiword does not provide comparable capabilities. it's more of a lightweight editor. kate w/ font suppport maybe. i'd compare it more to wordpad than open office.

    openoffice is definately a M$ Office alternative for general document handling, unless you've got a marketing department. those guys will create stuff that m$ office doesn't handle properly.

  20. Lets hear it for table support! by Leghk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Abiword turns out to be a pretty good word processor. I plopped one of my roommates, who exclusivly had used Microsoft Windows up until this point, down infront of abiword a couple months ago. He was able to write a couple grad school application essays without any complaints, or without asking for any assistance. He even got his printer working without any assistance. That's quite a feat. I'm not sure you could plop a windows user down infront of a Mac and have them be able to to figure their way around so well.

    Unfortunately, using abiword for my work is totally useless. While abiword has attacked the home market user, it hasn't paid much attention to the business user. By far the biggest piece of functionality abiword lacks is table support. I can't think of a single document (mostly technical I guess) I've had to write for work which did not somewhere in the document contain a table. Unfortunately abiword simply doesn't support tables, and trying to import a word document with tables, the tables just get flattened with linefeeds instead of cells. I'm not even sure how you could write a lab report using abiword without table support. Maybe you could make a table in gnumeric and paste in an image.

    This is very unfortunate because everything else about abiword is quite spectacular. It is so much lighter weight then openoffice, and so much more of a pleasure to use, but, unfortunately, I'll have to continue using openoffice for a little whlie longer.

    If I could program C or C++ worth a damn, I would definately do something about this! (That and allowing gnumeric to import a tab delimited file form the commandline). Alas, these Java hands of mine are useless! I feel like I should be able to help, and not just complain it. But I really can't. Maybe I can go bake the abiword people some cookies instead.

    1. Re:Lets hear it for table support! by the+Atomic+Rabbit · · Score: 2
      I'm not even sure how you could write a lab report using abiword without table support.

      You can't write a proper lab report with Microsoft Word either. Try TeX.

    2. Re:Lets hear it for table support! by ajs · · Score: 3, Informative
      According to an article on O'Reilly Network:
      "The team right now is focused on finishing 1.0, and then the priority is tables."
      So, I presume that tables are now the top priority new feature in development....
    3. Re:Lets hear it for table support! by edremy · · Score: 2

      You can't write a proper lab report with Microsoft Word either. Try TeX.

      Oh please. I may have written my PChem doctoral dissertation in TeX (TeXtures, to be precise), but I had lots of friends manage 200+ page dissertations loaded with equations, footnotes and figures within Word.

      I think a simple lab report is well within Word's capabilities.

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  21. Re:They claim otherwise by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

    It worked well enough for me to do up an rtf resume with it, the only task I've wanted a word processor for so far.

    AbiWord also lacks tables. Still a handy piece of software.

    How many people use footnotes again? Not many office users. They aren't in yet, but they're coming. :-)

  22. Re:What use is it? by rhadamanthus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I hate to burst your bubble, but i cannot think of any good reason to code in a word processor. That is about the most ridiculous thing I have heard of in a long time, to tell you the truth. I really don't think it was designed for coding...duh.


    Write letters and papers and documentation in a word processor, and code in an editor or development suite.

    Again, sorry--but that was just a complete waste of a complaint. If I had mod points at the moment, I would mod you -1, silly.

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  23. Re:So Abiword isn't IE compatible? by Catbeller · · Score: 2
    (Perhaps it's just an IE5.5 problem, you 'IE Sicks' users might be okay?)


    Nope. Just displays the source.
  24. AbiWord by NetGyver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a Pent133 IBM 760E laptop (32meg RAM/1GB HDD) and to put MSOffice on here is horrible, believe me i tried.

    Clocking in at 4.3 megs for the windows version, AbiWord is TINY! Upon installing it the license agreement came up:

    "The licenses for most software are designed to take away your freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to make sure the software is free for all its users"

    I know most open source users find this run-of-the-mill, but i'm a stright up windows guy. Not only was reading the license enjoyable but it was very easy to read. (note to myself: why am I not running GNU software more often??*** see below)

    Abiword is FAST FAST FAST. I've used Sun's OpenOffice a couple of times but I didn't really care for it all that much. Abiword's layout is clean and neat as well. I find it painfully distracting to see a billon icons on the top toolbar on some word processing apps. This is a plus for me at least.

    I also like how AbiWord handles multiple instances of documents. A totally seperate window for each document. I use notepad for word processing (don't laugh!) so i'm used to this. From time to time i also use Word 2000 and I don't really care for the window behind a window layout of it at all.

    Needless to say for 4.3 megs is a very efficient program that's fast, easy to use, and free.

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    i'd like to migrate and use X, my friend has it on his boxen and I like using it and I'd like to give it a spin, hardware specs allowing. I used caldara and corel but eh. It wasn't pretty, and i really don't know what i'm doing when it comes to getting under the hood. Any ideas, suggestions, anything are/is appreaciated!)

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  25. Re:AbiWord by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    From time to time i also use Word 2000 and I don't really care for the window behind a window layout of it at all.

    Uh, whachoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? My copy of Word 2000 has a separate window for each document. Granted, each Window uses 14MB of RAM, but each document DOES have it's own window.

  26. Re:Fuck the footnotes! by Sludge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's good that you're able to make a list of reasons to have tables and all, but I have to say that most of the time that people use tables in a word processor document, they would have been better using a spreadsheet.

  27. Why is the OSX version so huge? by ikekrull · · Score: 3, Interesting

    at 13MB compared to the 4MB Linux version?

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  28. This Isn't Free Software For Windows by istartedi · · Score: 3

    This Isn't Free Software For Windows... unless the download for the Windows source is just in an awkward spot where I can't find it. I found source downloads for FreeBSD, Linux, and MacOS X, but not Windows.

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    1. Re:This Isn't Free Software For Windows by plam · · Score: 3, Informative
      This Isn't Free Software For Windows... unless the download for the Windows source is just in an awkward spot where I can't find it. I found source downloads for FreeBSD, Linux, and MacOS X, but not Windows.


      You mean like at

      http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/abiword/setup _a biword-1.0.1.exe?
    2. Re:This Isn't Free Software For Windows by msevior · · Score: 3, Informative
      The regular tarball will work. We would love more windows developers. Look at the website under developers to see how to get/use the source to develop for windows.


      http://www.abisource.com/developers/download.pht ml


      AbiWord is 100% pure GPL (except for LGPL libraries and other bits stolen from BSD and other strange licenses.)


      Martin Sevior

    3. Re:This Isn't Free Software For Windows by istartedi · · Score: 2

      I can't believe this got modded up as informative! Of course that was the first thing I downloaded. It only installed the binary and other runtime data files.

      And yes, I looked for it:

      C:\Program Files\AbiSuite>dir /s /b *.cpp

      C:\Program Files\AbiSuite>dir /s /b *.c

      C:\Program Files\AbiSuite>dir /s /b readme
      C:\Program Files\AbiSuite\readme.txt

      C:\Program Files\AbiSuite>

      Besides, the tarballs for the other systems are 15 megs. Some other guy said I could use the regular tarball. Which one is the "regular" one? The Linux one or the BSD one?

      Now, I'm not interested in becoming a "power developer" with this thing, but I like to have things be buildable. Any contribution I make is likely to be of the "one or two line bugfix" variety. That, of course, is one of the powers of Open Source--thousands of guys making one or two line fixes. Since my level of involvement is likely to be just tweaks, it doesn't make sense for me to put a great deal of effort into obtaining the source.

      Also, when I have GPL software I always want source because if I ever distribute it to someone the GPL puts me under the gun to give them source, and if I've never built it from source I could face a compliance issue from them--they might come back and say "hey, you gave me obfuscated source, you lousy Windows freak, can you explain how to build it". And if I can't explain how to build it, I haven't really given them source.

      Now, I understand that there are many different build environments for Windows. If they used something obscure to build it, that's fine. I don't have any problems with somebody telling me that the W version is built with "Cromulated Express IDE and froo-froo GNU cross-compiler v 2.5.1". However, chances are they didn't use anything unusual. It's probably Cygwin or MSVC. Don't worry about alientating Windows developers by telling them they need such tools--just put it in the system requirements for Windows developers. We'll meet them if we're interested. (I'm getting into general advice for publishers of Free Software on Windows now, not necessarily aimed just at Abi).

      Another thing *not* to do. Don't package the source using InstallShield. Yes. I actually know of one project that did that, but I won't name them. ZIP files are best, but gzipped/tar is OK if you provide a link to download UNTGZ.EXE.

      The best thing of course, is to offer one universal tarball for all systems. That should not be impractical, since makefiles and project files seldom add more than a few kb. Then, source can be redistributed with confidence, knowing that it is buildable on all supported systems. Usually, all you have to do is rename a makefile and you are cool. However, since they had multiple source archives I assumed that the one for Windows simply wasn't there. The cynic in me says that perhaps they are borrowing a page from MSFT's book--by discouraging bugfixes from Windows developers, they hope to make the Windows version crappier, and migrate more users to GNU/Linux.

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    4. Re:This Isn't Free Software For Windows by istartedi · · Score: 2

      Well then, please modify this page:
      http://www.abisource.com/download/index.phtml?all= 1

      Under the Windows section, it should include a link for the source, as well as describing the system requirements for building it. MSVC? Cygwin? Without sitting through a 15 meg download on my modem, I still wouldn't know by looking at this page, which is misleadingly titled "all downloads".

      You know what--I just figure it out! It's purely psychological. The "downloads" link was at the top, and when I got to "all downloads" I figured there was noplace else to go. After all, something called "all downloads" must have all the downloads. I saw the "developers" link, but never clicked on it, thinking that it would be either something just for the core developers, or something for people who had already downloaded the source which I figured I couldn't do because I had just visited "all downloads". It was like my mind tuned it out. Of course, that was last night just before bed, but still maybe this is a "usability issue" for the website.

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  29. Yep XP/IE6 screws up, xp/Opera 6 doesn't by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    H'mm

  30. Re:tables???? by dos+equis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Table support is our most-requested-feature and our #1 priority for the next version. It's being worked on now.

    It does support Word 2000 and XP but if you find a feature for those formats that is missing, file an RFE.

  31. Re:Font Weirdness by plam · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah. It sucks. X fonts are a terrible mess. The whole sordid affair is documented in Abi bug 1030. We will use FreeType in the future, though, and I hope that this solves the problem.

    By the way, AbiWord usually stores its fonts in /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts. If you want to use system fonts, you need to symlink them from your system fonts directory to that directory and run mkfontdir/mkttfdir to create a fonts.dir in /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts. Then it'll happily use your fonts.

  32. OpenOffice for OSX has just been ported too by VValdo · · Score: 2

    An OSX Xwindows version of OpenOffice is also available for download (as of like a few days ago) here

    This and Abiword, once Aquified, will be a good first step towards some real competition for MS Word.

    Has anyone used both Abiword and the OpenOffice word processor on OSX? How do they compare?

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    1. Re:OpenOffice for OSX has just been ported too by hub · · Score: 2
      Being one of the AbiWord developer, I think my opinion is biased, but AbiWord runs fine on my PowerBook G3 400 with 192 MB, while for OpenOffice I'm below the 256MB requirements....


      Perhaps that'll give you an idea.


      I'm really eager to finish that Cocoa version for MacOS X.

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    2. Re:OpenOffice for OSX has just been ported too by VValdo · · Score: 2

      Hub-

      We're all looking forward to it too!!

      W

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  33. Congratulations on 1.0.1 and on being nice. by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only would I like to thank the AbiWord team for their incredible contribution to Free Software, I'd also like to thank them for being so nice. Working with friendly people is socially motivating. I look forward to continuing contributing any way I can (which up to now has been primarily trying to confirm bugs people report on AbiWord's Bugzilla). It's a pleasure working with you, thanks for the comaraderie.

  34. Good Job by teslatug · · Score: 2

    It's a pretty nifty program. It did not correctly convert my word documents, but it still is a good word processor. Not everyone needs absolute compatibility with MS .DOC format. This is a great program for those that just want to do some simple word processing and do not want to spend any money for it. And as plus, you can save into many formats and you can use the same interface across different platforms.
    Now all that needs to happen for free programs is to shake off that K-Mart feeling/image so that people will at least give them a serious try.

  35. Re:Header/footer? by plam · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is there a reason that abiWord doesnt have header/footer capabilities or am i just missing it?

    AbiWord has headers and footers, but no footnotes. I think that if you hit Ctrl-[ and Ctrl-] you get respectively the headers and footers, or you can use the edit menu.


    I've tried to load a word document that has header and footer stuff already in it, and it never shows up right (it just screws up on each page)

    This is a known bug.
  36. Re:Microsoft really raised the bar.... by dos+equis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS Word does do a better job if i18n than us right now but, after tables and footnotes/endnotes, improving i18n is our next highest priority. We have a special metabug right now to track tricky multilinal problems.
    Work is already underway to add Pango and FreeType support.

    Even without them our Chinese support is very good, our Hebrew support is also very good (make sure you get the bidi-build), and our Arabic support should be good but I'm not sure how much testing it has received.

    So try it out with all the languages you want and file some bug reports!

  37. Re:Tables, Equations, Footnotes by ewhac · · Score: 2

    Tables, Equations, Footnotes still are not in...

    Until you can meat [sic] the feature set of the student, you are not yet there.

    Then in the meantime you may want to check out LyX, which is built on top of TeX/LaTeX. It's not as slickly polished, but damn it's useful.

    Schwab

  38. Re:Mac OS X support by dos+equis · · Score: 2, Informative

    A native OSX version is underway but we only have one developer doing almost all of this work along with the work he does on the other platforms.

    We would really love some more Mac developers!

  39. Re:Font Weirdness by dos+equis · · Score: 3, Informative

    We know about this. Most users don't notice any problem. Some users have major problems. We acknowledge this and it's another one of our highest priorities for the next version.

    The next version will use Pango and FreeType and, on *nix, probably client-side-fonts via xft.
    I believe there are still some issues to get printing working properly with these newer *nix font solutions but we welcome any input.

  40. Re:Nice but weak. by hub · · Score: 2
    Footnotes are planned aswell. We have a preliminary support for endnotes (not available in release builds)

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  41. Re:Font Weirdness by tempfile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that the X font system is pretty much useless for anything that involves sophisticated layout work. It has to be addressed at the root, either by the X consortium, or by someone creating an application-independent font system that makes fonts of all flavors available to X applications, bypassing X's font mechanism, to the printing filters, to whatever part of the system has to access fonts in some way. Keith Packard (great guy, really helps getting X out of the past with RENDER and the like) has designed a mechanism called fontconfig (I hope everybody at the GUADEC has listened to him), but I don't know exactly how powerful that is.

    However, the current situation is a horrible mess and in my opinion also the biggest Linux usability hurdle of them all.

  42. Re:AbiWord's size by JFMulder · · Score: 2

    Last time I checked, Excel was waaaayyyyy bigger than Word and Outlook together, so probably that in OpenOffice the spreadsheet program is a BIG part of the package.

  43. Re:RedHat != Linux by kraf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just for the record, dpkg -i doesn't sort out anything, it's just complains if a dependency is missing.
    From the manpage:
    "(actually, checking is performed, but only warnings about conflicts are given, nothing else)"

  44. Re:Size by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2
    It even saves in PDF format

    The Windows version doesn't have this.

  45. Re:So Abiword isn't IE compatible? by hub · · Score: 2
    IE does not handle XHTML properly, because IE is crap. I have rexported the release notes to HTML 4.0 so that people that use the wrong tool are still able to read us.


    I wonder who these standards are written for.

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  46. Grammatik has also been sold independently by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Grammatik has also been sold independently as a stand-alone program.

  47. You don't have to by Goonie · · Score: 2
    You have to install the Gnome libraries to get gnumeric. You don't have to run sawfish, the panel, or any of the other Gnome guff if you don't want to. I believe that the equivalent is true for KOffice apps (install the libraries, but not necessarily the desktop).

    Asking people not to use the functionality in the Gnome and KDE libraries is asking them to constantly reinvent the wheel, leading to code bloat and slower development.

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    1. Re:You don't have to by Arandir · · Score: 2

      The problem is that the Gnome libraries are a huge tangle of dependencies that change and shift every release. So it all typically ends up in a single library. But does AbiWord really need libusb? librep? Even on the distros that keep those libs separate, they are still tend to be dependencies of gnomelibs.

      (on the opposite side of the political spectrum who have kdelibs, which has everything you need wrapped up in one big 16 ton weight. It would be nice if there were a middle ground, where there were a handful of medium sized core libs)

      I know, I'm just ranting. I need my coffee.

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  48. Yeah, but. by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2
    ...yet contains most of the features found in larger word processors, including Word and WordPerfect import/export

    Now if it could only moderate stuff I write before I post it to slashdot, then I could sell my high karma account on ebay :)

    Maybe I should email them and see if they'll put that feature in. Maybe in 2.0 they'll have a "Save to Slashdot" menu option.

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  49. Re:What use is it? by hub · · Score: 2
    Actually I use AbiWord for my résumé for more than a year now. No tables needed as I nevver needed them.


    And nobody complained about it since I always send it as a PDF.

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  50. Some comparisons: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2


    AbiWord cannot do multiple columns. Open Office can.

    AbiWord has self-destructive marketing, like a blue ant as a symbol. Open Office has professional marketing. Generally, over a period of years, poor marketing means poor development, because fewer average people are attracted. I'm not against AbiWord. However, it does not help anyone if the negative issues are hidden. It is best to talk about them openly.

    AbiWord is a word processor. Open Office is one coordinated suite that handles your office document needs.

    AbiWord has a notably clean-looking design. It would be excellent for someone who was learning computer use, or who had a computer with limited speed and resources.

    AbiWord was unable to open any of my HTML documents. Open Office allows editing of HTML (but not completely like Macromedia's expensive Dreamweaver, which is WYSIWYG).

    1. Re:Some comparisons: by FatOldGoth · · Score: 2

      AbiWord has self-destructive marketing, like a blue ant as a symbol.

      Yep! They should definitely go for something more professional looking. That would be much less irritating.

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  51. Re:WordNet by CyberDruid · · Score: 2

    Why use a dictionary when WordNet have all the information you could ever ask for )including stuff like synonyms)?

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  52. Look, I don't want to spoil the party by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But I'm not going to be using word processors in the future, ever again.

    I have several hundred megabytes and several thousand files of documents written on WordStar, WordPerfect, Word 2, Word 6, Lotus (Wordpro?), Applix word and Brown Bag MindReader[1].

    The documents are essentially useless to me now, the time investment I made in writing them has not paid off. I'll have to invest significantly more time and effort to make these documents usable.

    Instead, I'm going to use bog standard vanilla HTML for all documents and letters in the future. That way, the time I invest in writing, articles, documentation and letters will not be wasted. I can use any HTML editor or text editor I wish and the documents will be viewable and printable from any web browser on any platform.

    It would be nice if there were open standards like HTML for spreadsheets and vector graphics. I'm tired of word processors and office suites.

    [1] BTW, this was a lovely DOS based word processor which guessed which word you were typing. Fantastic for technical documents using long technical terms.

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    1. Re:Look, I don't want to spoil the party by GypC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've always written my documents in plain ascii first and then opened up a copy in a word processor for formatting, or marked up a copy with HTML or LaTeX, depending on my needs... but I've always kept those original plain text copies. This has saved my ass a few times, especially when I used to use Word 97 on Windows 98 and it would impose its 'write corrupted nonsense to disk in case of system oops' feature on me.

      The only inconvenient part is merging revisions back to the original.

  53. Re:Size by LinuxGeek8 · · Score: 2

    I assume it uses ghostscripts ps2pdf, so you might want to install ghostscript for windows.

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  54. Re:A version 1.0 release with no tables? by lkaos · · Score: 2

    You can import a gnumeric document though to create a table. Remember, tables in Word are really just embedded Excel documents.

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  55. Re:g asshole vagina mouth by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2

    Maybe, but all the apostrophes are in the right places as far as I can tell, which marks it as being in the top 1% of all /. posts for punctuation/grammar/spelling correctness...

    graspee

  56. Of Course is smaller .... than an Office Suite by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its just a word processor, so sure its smaller then a simi-complete 'suite'(OO)...

    Not judging if its bad or good.. just dont mislead
    people by compairing apples to oranges..

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  57. Re:Nice but weak. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

    Abiword has suited the needs of my highschool attending brother however for power users its lacking.

    I find it doubtful that anyone who can write a line like that would ever have a use for footnotes, or cross-referencing. I've never needed footnotes, and I've never met anyone who has needed footnotes.

  58. It's WORDPAD with spellcheck! by hatless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Three years later, I'm still mystified by the attention Abiword gets. It even gets press coverage.

    It's not even a word processor by late-1980s standards. No table support! No floating footnotes! The column support doesn't seem to allow changing the number of columns midstream--it's all or nothing.

    No merge functionality! (Oh, but there are two optional, unbundled scripting plugins you can theoretically write your own merge function with--except that there's no user-defined field support, either, so any merge fields in a document would be ad-hoc, unprotected, and would show up as spelling errors.)

    Great, so it's "lightweight" and starts up quickly, and it's cross-platform. Yipee. But I remember in 1988 it was pretty fair to expect a graphical word processor--even on the Amiga and the C64--to support tables and footnotes, mail merging and real, multiple-layouts-per-page column support.

    Don't get me wrong. It's nice of the Abiword team to put their time into writing software they obviously find and useful, and it is nice to see a solid, genuinely useful embeddable GTK+ richtext widget come out of this, but can we please stop mentioning it in the same breath as word processors?

  59. Clippy expresses something accurate... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Definitely Clippy was a major marketing failure. So was Microsoft Bob. Apparently Microsoft Bob was Bill Gate's wife's idea.

    Clippy expresses something accurate about Microsoft's view of it's customers, however: Microsoft thinks it's customers are stupid children, not even smart children.

  60. One last thought... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Even software that is given away free needs marketing, which is simply accurate communication between the software's authors and managers, and the intended users.

  61. SVG for vector graphics by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2
    Well, as the subject says, SVG does fine for vector graphics and can be embedded inside XHTML (or vice-versa). AFAIK the only open (well documented) standard for spreadsheets is the OpenOffice one, which is also based on XML.

    Bear in mind that these specifications are EXTREMELY complicated - you do need special tools for them, writing SVG files by hand is a major drag.

  62. MacOS X by Watts+Martin · · Score: 2

    As far as I can tell, AbiWord still only has binaries available for MacOS X that require X11, and my attempts to compile it with Cocoa support (following the README file directions) have been abject failures. I'm interested in AbiWord, but I really want a Cocoa or Carbon binary, guys.

    1. Re:MacOS X by dos+equis · · Score: 2

      We want it too! Problem is we really on have one dedicated Mac developer and he also works on the other ports. All our attempts to attract other Mac developers haven't worked. Mac open source hackers seem to be very rare.
      If you can find us some, everybody will appreciate it.

  63. Nope. No tables. by hatless · · Score: 2

    Alas, if you read that manual section on creating "tables", it turns out not to be table functionality at all.

    It's just telling users how to make very basic table layouts by using tabs and the overline/underline styles.

    Kind of like doing tables on a TRS-80 in 1982.

  64. Tables for layout by crisco · · Score: 2
    most of the time that people use tables in a word processor document, they would have been better using a spreadsheet.
    No way. Any of those reasons the AC lists better off in a spreadsheet? Sure, it would be nice to have something more elegant than tables for simple layout. But spreadsheets have even less control over layout. How about forms that combine instructions and explanations with fields that need to be filled out? Don't tell me thats one for a spreadsheet.
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  65. Re:OpenOffice 's size? by mrm677 · · Score: 2

    That's because NT already has many of the dynamically linked libraries that MS word uses already open. Because OpenOffice is cross-platform, it can't take advantage of Windows-only API's.

  66. Cool, but.. by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    It's good to see all the open source office suites making leaps and bounds forward these days, but my personal bet is on KOffice. Huh? Yeah, I said KOffice. Considering how fast KOffice is moving with so little help, it's pretty clear that the codebase is clean, efficient and managable. Just recently, KOffice 1.2 beta1 was announced, bringing forth a new fully wysiwyg layout engine. With this in place, there is very little holding the suite back from quickly dominating the scene. IMO this will be further proof of C++ being the superior language for GUI design. Time will tell.

  67. Why not RTF? by Infonaut · · Score: 2
    Rich Text Format is a great "lowest common denominator" format. I create initial docs using TextEdit in OS X. It's particularly good when you're sending files via email, because although you can't do things like pagination or footnoting, you can style text to a fair degree, apply colors, and so forth.

    Once it's time to go final with the document, I'll open in Word to add all of the necessary bells and whistles. This process makes for faster reviews, because the people on the other end aren't spending all their time looking at non-content formatting issues, and when the content is completely locked down, I save a final RTF version for archiving.

    The Word doc then gets created and sent out. I'm definitely going to have to check out AbiWord, but I'm with Colin - having a host of files in various proprietary formats really sucks. I just differ in my approach. RTF is quick and easy to work with, allows for pretty good initial formatting, and is a standard that won't go away any time soon.

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    1. Re:Why not RTF? by dos+equis · · Score: 2

      Along with MSWord.doc and our native.abw formats, RTF is our most important format for all the reasons you cite. We really want it to be perfect and it's getting very very close.

  68. Re:nose in air by RestiffBard · · Score: 2

    agreed. In my own defense, though, I never said I was a grammar guru. That's why I have a copy of Strunk and White. :) Just chalk this up to my hands typing faster than my brain thinks. Also, that whole rant stems from my upset that folks these days seem to want machines to do all the work for them. In some cases having a machine do the work for me is fine but, having an understanding of the fundamentals of how a thing works and why can be very useful. I'll end there and get my fork so I can resume eating my humble pie.

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  69. It does support columns. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    As you say, the new version does support columns. I must have been using an older version when I last reviewed it.

  70. Re:A version 1.0 release with no tables? by damiam · · Score: 2

    Ummmm... no you can't, and no they're not.

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  71. Re:The main thing I notice when I open AbiWord... by dos+equis · · Score: 2

    AbiWord can use whatever fonts are in your system.
    It does come with a few fonts that most documents tend to use but you can use the better ones on your system instead.
    Good quality free fonts are still scarce and we don't know about making fonts - only about makind applications.

  72. Re:Abiword offers no benefit beyond OpenOffice... by dos+equis · · Score: 2

    When I felt like doing some hacking I looked at both OpenOffice and AbiWord.
    I didn't like that OpenOffice wasn't even attempting to support Mac.
    OpenOffice code was very difficult to get into and there internationalization web pages didn't seem very helpful. Internationalization was the aspect I was most interested in with a word processor.
    AbiWord code was very easy to get into and I had my first patch working the first day. Hacking AbiWord was very pleasurable and scratching my itches was very rewarding.

    Oh and my German is terrible so I couldn't even read OpenOffice's comments ):

    I will try to hack OpenOffice again some day though.

  73. Re:lots of warnings by dos+equis · · Score: 2

    I think we'd accept a bug report that listed warnings that need to be fixed.

  74. Re:Mac OS X version 0.99 doesn't work by dos+equis · · Score: 2

    Please file a bug report.

  75. Re:Foreign Language Support by dos+equis · · Score: 2

    I thought our CJK support was pretty good. We seem to some problems with Korean but we know our Chinese support is good because we have at least one Chinese developer and we get feedback from our Chinese users.
    Most of us who work on the internationalization of AbiWord don't know any non-European languages very well. I try the CJK support and it seems okay to me but hey I'm only a gaijin (:
    Please file some bug reports so we know what the problems are and can attempt to fix them!

  76. Re:AbiWord by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    Actually, I think Word 97 might have been the one that acted this way. I never really made any use of Word until it hit 2000. Before then, nearly every Microsoft application was single window multiple document. Now they either use multiple window multiple document or "web" style single window.