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Bootleg Star Wars AotC Debuts on Internet
Arctic Fox writes "Matt Drudge is reporting that bootleg copies of the new Star Wars movie have been appearing on the internet one week before the movie's big screeen debut. The article says that they have used a tripod mounted camera at a pre-screening to tape it. Not known is if anyone is seen walking in front of the camera."
I gotta admit, I find this amusing, although I'd never bother downloading it:
I've had 12:01 tickets ready to go and there is no way I'm gonna spoil it watching
a low quality divx.
Yeah but to watch it now and then go to the first screening and ruin all the good parts for those sitting near you might be a kick.
ARG...Taco, you keep bragging about that damn ticket, I am gonna have to drive over to the west side of the state and take it just so you won't brag any more.
:-) have fun.
you still suck though for having it
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Yeah, some reviews are saying it's going to be bad.
Oh, wait... you're talking about the image quality?
I downloaded a bootleg version of LOTR when it came out. It realy spoils the awe that accompanies seeing the film on the big screen for the first time. Having made the mistake once, I won't do it again. After all, the wait is just like waiting for Christmas as a little kid.
Thats what I think, anyway.
Now, I forget exactly which slashdot editor it was that posted "the lone gunmen are dead" several hours early...
... but whoever they are they should be forced to watch the divx BEFORE being allowed to see the movie.
And the divx should be as grainy, low quality, and stuttery as possible.
Poetic justice.
Having lived in Asia for 15+ years, I can say that this is the way that almost all new movies makes if over there.
Somebody sneaks into a screaning with a camcorder and films the movie. It's always fun to see whether the guy will use a tripod (most don't for fear of getting caught), who's going to stand up during the movie, whether the dude will be eating popcorn (always a little hard to hear the dialogue), and what the audience finds funny.
These bootlegs are almost always sold as VCDs instead of DVDs and they are so low quality that if you have a prayer of seeing the movie at the theater, you don't touch them. Sometimes you get the ultimate surprise of watching "It's a Bug's Life" instead of "Jurrasic Park III", but it's all part of the experience.
P.S. to the MPAA - if you actually sold movies in China that were legal, this sort of thing would never fly with the public.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-051002starwars. story?null
which is rather extensive, but is somewhat of a showcase of antipriracy arguments.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Will this have any impact on ticket sales? Obviously not! I would dare anyone who would trade a grainy 320x200 shot of the movie for the real thing in the movie theaters.
LOTRs was out on Morpheus before the movie came it, and it still had amazing revenues.
...that nowhere in any of the existing StarWars movies (don't know about Episode II yet) does there appear a "marketing droid". I mean, how could George Lucas do without such a potentially important character! "Marketing droids" would be crutial to the development of the plot line... perhaps they would be responsible for funding the Evil Empire...
Why bother.
I wouldn't waste my time if I were you. The ending doesn't make any sense, it's just some crazy lady dancing.
Those with the low-qual divx may see it frist, but nothing beats the "big screen" :)
So, to see these you need to incur a gig of download and all you get to see is two crappy VCD's of a movie that's coming out next week.
These are obsessed people, my friends. Nobody is doing this to avoid paying $8 at the box office. The people who download this will probably be first in line, dressed up as their favorite StarWars character. And they'll probably see it 6 times, even if it sucks.
Noone is loosing money here.
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Those guys who have been waiting outside since february?
Are they still there?
Maybe we could give them a laptop and a DivX...
Have you actually downloaded it and watched it?
Has anyone?
In looking around I have seen files with the name, but they are always bogus. Big time bogus. Different movie, not large enough, etc.
Has anyone for a single second considered that this could be a disinformation campaign created by the MPAA?
Other news, more digital theaters, unfortunately shy on details, but there's a listing of some on DLP.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
It's out, it's real, it's not very good quality but it's not a DIVX. You may find it in DIVX form but it was not released as such. Yes 99% of the DIVX crap you find on kazaa / gnutella / whatever is mislabeled but that's just because p2p networks blow.
As for quality, I would post a screenshot but slashdot does not allow attachments so I'll simply tell you how it was made. Someone took a high quality digital camera, put it on a tripod, attached a direct audio feed (no hollow theater sound), and recorded.
I have no intention of watching it in this form, quality isn't good enough but I am very impressed by the early release. Nice job FTF.
Look here. It's real, but crappy, like you'd expect it to be.
"Damn this digital copying technology!" cries the MPAA. "It makes it really easy for a single copy to be rapidly distributed to many sites!"
Which is true, but these early copies are all taken from pre-release showings of celluloid. Given that the studios clearly can't keep control of the celluloid, it's no longer giving them any benefit. In fact, they're a bloody liability, as it takes time to make many celluloid copies and to distribute them, worldwide in this case. Consider the problems of trying to make and ship thousands of celluloid copies all around the world, weeks before the first screenings, while trying to keep an eye on them and stop reviewers filming the showings (or people in the distribution chain just pocketing copies).
Hey, here's a solution that I can think of. Give up on it. Keep a single digital master, say "FUCK the reviewers" ('cause half of them don't watch the damn film anyway before writing their review, and some of those who do are filming it!), transmit digital copies the day before showing start, and only start your celluloid printing there and then. Digital copying technology makes it really easy for a single copy to be rapidly distributed to many sites, remember? Hey, we can figure that out.
George wants to encourage more digital screens, right? Great, do something about it. (Assuming Episode 2 doesn't suck), then consider if Episode 3 screen times were:
Get the point? The digital genie is out of the bottle, and it can't be put back. Celluloid is a security liability. Distributors might as well get with the 21st century and start using digital technology rather than weeping over how much it's costing them.
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But from the reviews, it looks like this bootleg of ATOC isn't worth your download time. It's currently polling at 5.7 out of 10 for image quality, and 6.2 out of 10 for sound. Even for a VCD, that's pretty low. And of course, the JPG screen cap looks like a blurry mess. However bad the quality is, it is impressive that FTF was able to release SW Ep2 so early. Check out the comments forum to see what people (well, if you consider "5kR1p7 k1DDi3z" to be actual people) are saying about this bootleg.
...that they're selling the movie theater experience as much as the actual movie? Like Taco said, even if somebody plunked a DIVX copy of AOTC in my hands right now, there's no way I'm gonna watch some shitty DIVX when I can pay 8 dollars for to watch it on a screen that's bigger than my apartment, in a comfy chair, with booming digital sound.
:) I'd pay a few extra dollars for a ticket to a more upscale theater.
In any business, you think about what you're offering that's UNIQUE, whether it be price, quality, features, or convenience. What do theaters have that's unique? Certainly not the movies, since they're freely available via the Internet, or cheaply available via rental several months later. It's the theaters themselves (and the associated trip-to-the-movies-with-friends experience) that are unique. Now, this experience SUCKS in some ways (lines, rude employees, partially-chewed Goobers under your feet in the theater) but that's all the more reason to improve it.
Theaters ARE starting to catch on, with features like comfy stadium seating. I'd like to see them take it a little further. A lot of art-house movie theaters have nice interiors and lounges, with food that's nicer than the usual horrid crap at large theaters, and it often costs less. It would be nice to see slightly more upscale mainstream theaters. Also, they should sell beer.
Sure, lots of people are gonna download this flick off the net, but I really don't think many of those people were gonna PAY to see the movie in the first place.
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What nonsense.
They did not decide they "don't want the profits." It's their property. They spent $140 million creating it. They aren't under any compulsion to sell it, profits or no.
How about I come over to your house, make copies of your home movies of you getting banged by your boyfriend, and then sell them on the 'net. You COULD have made a profit from them, but choose not to. And you still have the originals, so I'm not really "stealing," am I?
Nobody here but us rational economic actors.
Here's a link to the group's NFO file that released it. The only thing of value in it, aside from the usual cast, plot, etc:
SUPPLiER....:[TEAM FTFVCD] SiZE:Cd1:xx/50 CD2:xx/45]
RUNTiME.....:[132 min] FORMAT....:[NTSC VCDTS ]
We are pleased to bring you this early release of One of the most anticipated movies of the summer. We enjoy helping the scene out wherever we can. Haters don't bother us, fans we appreciate.
Just because the movie is ready NOW and not released or not on DVD does not make it ok to pirate it. The studios are certainly within their rights to release it whenever they want for whatever reasons they want. They after all footed the bill to make it. I'm tired of all the flawed logic people use to justify their crimes.
Using this same logic can I rape a woman I am on a date with and then in my defense say that she told me she wasn't ready yet but did say she was interested in me but would like to wait just a little longer? This happens and guys go free with the right defense team and many women get hurt and sometimes emotionally damaged for life. Naturally this is a lot worse than pirating a movie or CD but the point I am making is when you start along that path of justifying crimes you make it easier to overlook some of the more serious evils out there.
Let the copyright holders control their content. When it comes to the point of them controlling how you view or use your legitimate copy of that content within your domain (and I ain't talking about no internet domains. *grin*) then you can cry foul and scream fair use.
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Yeah, this happenned before the movie officially came out. I am sure we are not suprised.
But I will laugh uproariously if a slashdot poll asking people what they thought of the movie appears before the movie officially comes out.
Slashdot Poll: AOTC?
1. Only Better than TFM
2. Beats all other StarWars
3. It nearly beats the Spice Girls Movie
4. I miss Jar-Jar
5. Sorry I only have 28.8K.
6. CowboyNeal told me it was GRRRREEAT!
Actually though electronic device scanners could detect all cell phones and force people to either put them on vibrate or store tehm, and that would be a very good thing.
I wish they would. Ever since I first had a cellphone or pager (10 years ago) I would always turn it off when I went to the movies so as not to disturb my fellow viewers. Nowdays not only do people not turn their phones off, but they let them ring for a minute or more and then they answer them and proceed to have a conversation during the movie. I was about ready to choke this one bitch to death because her phone rang, her husband answered it, passed it to her, she argued with someone on the other end, and then they passed it back and forth for close to 10 minutes.
I have lost any sense of civility when it comes to that anymore. Usually I yell out something like "Would whichever fuckbrain has the ringing phone turn it off or get the hell out?" Or "What kind of shit-for-brains parent brings a crying baby to a 9PM movie? Get that whining kid outta here!"
... the more bootlegs will slip through their fingers.
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This is either a prerelease screener for review or for movie theater employees (I'm guessing the latter)... It's good quality, not fantastic, obviously made from a quick and dirty optical print dubbed to VHS... Not shot in a theater or with a camera...
If you look at the sample MPEG, you'll note a fuzzy edge to the bottom and right side of the video, which indicates masking that normally occurs in a film to video direct transfer- They usually invest more effort in making retail versions cleaner...
A camera captured version would usually be a little off kilter, chop off a significant portion of the screen, and as was mentioned, occasionally have another audience member either walking through a shot, or coughing, or their cel phone would be going off here and there...
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Hilarious! You believe that, and you call me an idiot! Rich!
Lucas makes it up as he goes along! He "inserts" things to appease his daughters and his bank balance, that's why every film after the first has been aimed at a younger and younger audience, and that's why his re-released versions took out the parts that made Han seem like a guy who sometimes did bad things.
After the nice lady at your Anger Management Therapy slips you the pink pills, get her to read my comment to you.
I said nothing that was an "attempt to legitimize crap presentation" I merely told how I enjoyed watching my crappy looking VCD copy, and explained how it, in TPM's case, looked appropriate, in my opinion.
If you find that "offensive", too bad. It's only a film, not a religion.
And try to chill out a bit, eh?
Now wash your hands.
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RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
"Boss! We've got a problem! There is a crappy copy of the new Star Wars out a week early on the internet! And people who have cable modems or better, underground internet connections, an interest in seeing it, the understanding of what an alternative media player codec is, big enough hard drive space left, a file sharing app that still works, the knowhow to get it to run, and the interest of watching it early on a computer monitor are STEALING OUR MOVIE!"
"So how much of our movie audience is that?"
"Well, probably
"Oh. HEY! Look at this! We just made all the papers across the country. Man you just can't buy advertising this good! Get my clubs. We're going golfing lackey."
"Right on it, sir!"
People who pirate movies like SpiderMan and Star Wars: Episode II (to name tow recent ones) only undermine the efforts of the EFF and groups like them to reign in copyright protection. Even if copyright were returned to 14/14 like the copyright act of 1902, these would still be gross violations of intellectual property rights. Think before you download this movie REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IT IN THE THEATERS!!! By downloading this movie or engaging in file sharing of copyrighted material you are spitting in the face of those in the EFF who are trying to protect our rights.
based on what Lucas turned out for Episode I, I'm not holding my breath for this one.
What about what he "turned out" for Episodes IV, V, and VI? Or the Indiana Jones franchise? Or Willow? So with you, it's "make one movie that I don't like and you're permanently blacklisted?" Doesn't that seem kind of silly?
Lucas has an excellent track record. I still hold high hopes for the rest of the prequel trilogy.
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Lucas has an excellent track record. I still hold high hopes for the rest of the prequel trilogy.
Unfortunately Lucas does not have a good track record as a director, nor as a writer. Said simply, he is rather poor in those roles, though he is a great producer. Of the movies you mention, the only one he directed or wrote (the scenario, not story) was Episode IV, which holds a special place in my hard but is definetely not a cinematographic achievement. It did create a new genre, and there's no doubt in my mind that Lucas is (was) a visionary. But from an artistic point of view, the second one (Empire) is by far superior.
Why Lucas insists on writing and directing the new Star Wars is beyond me. By refusing to accept his shortcomings and play on his strenghts instead, he's wearing himself thin and turning out inferior films. Too bad...at least the geek AND film buff in me are totally satisfied by LOTR (now, that's some director!). I'll still go see AOTC, but I'm not expecting much. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.
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You have to guess that this is going to open on at least 3000 screens domestically. If it's opening in a week, it's not hard to assume that their distribution channels might have some of those prints in place already.
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The DMCA is not the solution here.
The DMCA is not the "DMCA".
There are two laws both called the DMCA. One DMCA consists of 17 USC chapter 12, which prohibits cracking 8-bit XOR encryption used as an access control device. The other DMCA consists of a takedown procedure (17 USC 512) that ISPs can follow to maintain a safe harbor. There are also several riders on the DMCA that reverse MAI v. Peak, protect vessel hulls, and affect some operations of the U.S. Copyright Office. See this PDF for more information.
It is simply copyright infringment. Plain, old fashioned copyright infringment. Its illegal, period.
I agree 100%.
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I didn't have any desire to see Blow. Then I got a shitty bootleg from gnutella. It looked like a very good movie. So I paid the NYC theater mafia $9.50 to see it on the big screen. So they actually profitted from me downloading a bottleg. I may even buy the DVD one of these days.
But the MPAA doesn't want you to know about people like me.
Oh, that's smart: show it early to the one person in the country most likely to give it all away for the rest of us. :)
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