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Smart Cards Vulnerable to Photo-Flash Attacks?

belphegor writes "Researchers at the University of Cambridge have found a way to use a camera flash and microscope to extract data from smart cards. " Notable because its apparently relatively simple to do and really throws a monkey wrench into a variety of businesses that use smart cards to store important data.

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  1. They should have used the iButton by swagr · · Score: 4, Informative

    It immediatly destroys it's internal data when forced open.
    Here's the link.

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    1. Re:They should have used the iButton by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      The iButton has some weird user/developer license (I'm sure some smart cards arn't any better). Also some iButtons use Java, and that brings on another layer of lame licensing. That's why one person I know won't mess with them. I however think they're way cool. I really like the ones that work as a key to open doors, and then you get one of those iButton rings. It's all James Bondish :)

    2. Re:They should have used the iButton by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's easy enough to open an iButton without destroying it. I seem to recall you just keep it in a pressurized N2 atmosphere while cracking the case, and it won't even realize that it has been opened.

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    3. Re:They should have used the iButton by arkanes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, because I have this pressurised N2 atmosphere sitting over here in my basement...

    4. Re:They should have used the iButton by swagr · · Score: 2

      Well, the story aimed to show how easy it was to get data off a smart card.

      So far we've determined it's somewhat more difficult to simply open an iButton.

      How do we get at the data?

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    5. Re:They should have used the iButton by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Yeah, because I have this pressurised N2 atmosphere sitting over here in my basement...

      I tried building that. I'm 70% of the way there.

  2. smartcards have always been lacking by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    there is very little tamper protection on smartcards due to their flimsy construction. you cant make a rapid zeroization system on something that isn't rigid and tough enough to be driven over repeatedly by a car or take the huge amount of abuse the human carrier provides every day.

    except... dallas semiconductor long ago created the ibutton that is more secure and better than any smartcard..

    (I know I sound like a broken record, but ibuttons are way better and cooler than any smartcard, and you as a home hacker can use them!)

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    1. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      OK, so smart cards are not tamper resistant. I don't see that any attack based around stealing a smart card is anything to worry about, assuming the card itself only stores dumb information like a sum of money or an id number.

      Guess what?! Criminals can read the information from a credit card using nothing more sophisticated than their eyes! Does this render credit cards an appalling security risk? No, because when it gets stolen you report it and cancel the card.

      Now, if someone figures out a way to _write_ to the smart card to people can top up sums of money or whatever, that's a problem. Also, if the smartcard stores data that's useful in itself - say your real naem and address, or other bank account numbers, or what have you, then you certainly don't want that being read by someone else.

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    2. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by SignoffTheSourcerer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is really nothing new, many microcontrollers (like those used in smartcards) are vulnerable to different attacks, clock-glitches voltage reversals/spikes which may unlock their security features. Many of them are normally readable but are 'locked' by a fuse. This fuse may be reset by removing the UV protective coating and erase the card as an EPROM (this will ofcourse also destroy any data you wanted to read). There are however methods circumventing this, like using micro-film as masks for the UV-eraser, or using micro-probes to directly alter the bus. Many cards do not even have real protection, like the european pay-phone cards, all they are is a serial-EPROM which is burned a bit at a time for each credit, but they're fused so if you erase them (UV-wise) they will not allow you to re-program the low-area of the EPROM, but don't worry, just use som other blank card and copy it onto that.

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    3. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by hagardtroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't be so sure about that. Take any dollar bill and visit the web site WheresGeorge and see where it has been.

    4. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by kris · · Score: 2

      Only that the iButton from Dallas Semiconductor already has been broken several years ago by ... right, the very same Ross Anderson and Markus Kuhn.

      Kristian

    5. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 2
      DirecTV has what they claim a billion dollar lose due to pirates, hacking the nice little smart cards. (First the F, now H and HU series, soon to be replaced by the P4 series, which probably isn't hacked, yet....) Writing isn't important, if you can completely dump the card then you can make yourself a cardless emulation system on a PC. (The holy grail of directTv pirates...)

      I'm sure they are going to take notice of this technology, if they haven't already, because I am certain there are people on the other side that will be cracking open DTV smart cards to use this method very soon...

    6. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I live in Istanbul, Turkey... 12M+ city. If what I see is right (on that website), that iButton takes care of near whole transportation system here. In busses, metro, sea. There wasn't a single incident since years.

      Its named "Akbil" (Smart Ticket), in demos they showed huge cars&stuff driven over them, nothing happened.

      Oh btw, to remind how widely they are used they are, its like 80% iButton vs 20% regular tickets.

    7. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by WNight · · Score: 2

      But... But... You do realize that there are secret IR scanners installed in most stores around the states, reading the serial numbers (which are printed with an IR reflective ink) on all our cash. This is the reasons that stores tend to use incandescent lights near the cash registers, to provide more short-wave IR (the more reflective) to increase visibility for the scanners.

      They suplement this by using facial recognition AI software. This was one of the first products of the AI revolution, but unfortunately in order to keep this secret for government use they've had to supress almost all research in these areas. We really could have had human-level AI by now if it hadn't been appropriated by the NSA.

      Of course, this is just a spoof of a paranoid rant... right? :)

    8. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by pwagland · · Score: 3, Informative
      OK, so smart cards are not tamper resistant. I don't see that any attack based around stealing a smart card is anything to worry about, assuming the card itself only stores dumb information like a sum of money or an id number.

      And herein lies the problem. Smart cards don't only store "dumb information". In particular, from the article (which I assume you read?):

      Some of the information stored in the card is in the form of a number composed of ones and zeros that cryptographers refer to as a "private key." That key is part of a two-key system that is used to encode and decode information. The security of such systems is compromised if the private key is revealed.

      In particular, here in the Netherlands (and I believe elsewhere in Europe), you can get online access to your account (with most banks) by using your ATM card. This is accomplished since each ATM card has a smart card on the card. If you can get the secret key out of the card, then you can login to someone elses banking site. No you can't do this with the card alone, since you need to know the cards PIN to access the smart card functionality.

    9. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      Do you have any links that describe how to use an iButton for access control, such as activating relays for door strikes, garage door openers, etc? I looked all over the iButton web site and couldn't find any hard details on how to go about setting something like this up. I think it would be cool to replace all locks with iButton readers (and at ~$15 a pop, why not?!) - front door, garage, even the keyholes in your car could be replaced with a reader that would disarm the alarm system and unlock the door. Buy an iButton ring to wear and never have to carry keys again.

      Any ideas on how to get started with this??

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    10. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Card systems on the continent are far more secure than here in the U.K. Here you only need (for ordering over the phone and web) the number and expiry date. Although some cards do have something similar to a pin you sometimes have to enter too.

    11. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by Kanasta · · Score: 2

      Anyone with a smart card reader (retailers/universities/etc) can read and write a smart card.

      It's just a blob of data.

      Each institution (hopefully) has the said data encrypted and has some tamper checking on it.

    12. Re:smartcards have always been lacking by Alsee · · Score: 2

      I don't see that any attack based around stealing a smart card is anything to worry about

      Then you don't understand the problem. In many cases they don't care of you steal a hundred smart cards. That gets you a few thousand phone minutes or one month of free cable for a hundred people. The cards run out of minutes or expire at the end of the month and you have nothing. Petty theft.

      The problem is that the smart cards contain an encryption key. The key unlocks the entire systems. It grants an unlimited number of people unlimited access to phonecalls/cable-service, or whatever. In other words w3 0wn j00 !

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  3. Shouldn't they be arrested? by Wiseazz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where's Adobe when you need them?

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  4. SMILE!! by Indras · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your data's on Candid Camera (tm)!

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  5. No worries, we'll just pass more laws... by Dimensio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All that needs to happen is for makers of smart cards to send money to Congresscritters to pass laws against smart card "circumvention devices" and have anyone making, selling or posessing a flash-based camera arrested.

    Remember, when a security technology is comprimised you don't improve the technology, you outlaw anything that exposes its weakness.

    1. Re:No worries, we'll just pass more laws... by nolife · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This happened in the past with the padding of the cell phone industry. Analog mode cell phones send clear audio over the air in roughly the 868-890 MHz range. To protect the cell phone industry, the government passed a law in 1994 to prevent the sale of consumer radio scanners from receiving these frequencies. That worked for a while but many scanners were easily 'hacked' to get this region back. In 1997 the law was modified/changed to make it illegal to modify a scanner and companies had to produce scanners that were tamper proof.

      These air bands were open to public ears for decades before the cell phone industry came to life. They chose to use "plain text" audio for analog transmissions to save money with no regard for your privacy. The government stepped in to bail them out when scanning these frequencies became popular and to give the public a false sense of security so they would buy more of them and keep the cell phone industry going strong.

      It is also illegal to listen to analog cordless phones (46-49MHz/900MHz) but there is no law preventing the scanners from receiving these bands. I guess the cordless guys could not drum up enough soft money to get that through.

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  6. How they did it by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 2, Redundant
    The relevant part of the article:

    They were able to expose the circuit to the light by scraping most of the protective coating from the surface of the microprocessor circuit that is embedded in each smart card.

    With more study, the researchers were able to focus the flash on individual transistors within the chip by beaming the flash through a standard laboratory microscope.

    "We used duct tape to fix the photoflash lamp on the video port of a Wentworth Labs MP-901 manual probing station," they wrote in their paper.

    By sequentially changing the values of the transistors used to store information, they were able to "reverse engineer" the memory address map, allowing them to extract the secret information contained in the smart card.

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  7. Trust us, OUR cards ARE smart... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Alex Giakoumis... said his company had built defensive measures into its products that would make them invulnerable to such an attack. However, he said he was unwilling to be specific about the nature of the security system."

    However, it is speculated that the card contains material that can obscure the flash, literally achieving "security through obscurity."

    1. Re: Trust us, OUR cards ARE smart... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

      Maybe "mendacity through opacity?"
      Or "confusion via occlusion?"
      Or "protection by misdirection?"

  8. Not very shocking news. Really. by krtek · · Score: 2

    A few years ago I was told about similar technique involving elctron beam (or something like this). Generally, physical access to anything means full access to all contained infomation. Old security principle.

    On the one hand it means no equipment may be trusted since it comes to customer's hands. On the second, I see no problem if I can rip the data which belongs to me (I know, it's generally not the case when it comes to SC). Smart Cards always have been security by obscurity for me. This lesson the industry never learns, I'm afraid.

  9. So let me get this straight, by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lemme see if I understand right. Reverse engineer hardware to show its inherit ineffectualness -- that's ok. Reverse engineer software to show its inherit ineffectualness -- that's illegal.

    Ok, just making sure.

  10. Easy solution: Nanotubes by MontyP · · Score: 4, Funny

    All they need to do is intertwine single wall carbon based nano tubes throughout the memory. When the camera flash hits the memory, the memory will self destruct.

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    1. Re:Easy solution: Nanotubes by Alsee · · Score: 2

      Moderators, The parent is not funny

      Not only was it funny, it was hystrerical! :)

      it is insightfull or interesting. The suggestion is a serious one and there is a good chance that it would work.

      *Maybe* but I really doubt it. For starters the nanotubes only explode in an oxygen atmosphere.

      The real problem is that what you are doing is kind of like building a tank and every time one gets blown up you add 1 square inch of armor at the spot that got hit.

      I'd wager it wouldn't be very hard to modify the flash-bulb technique to avoid triggering the nanotubes. I bet filtering the light wavelengths would do the trick.

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  11. At least they need to steal them first by eet23 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the article:
    They were able to expose the circuit to the light by scraping most of the protective coating from the surface of the microprocessor circuit that is embedded in each smart card.

    With more study, the researchers were able to focus the flash on individual transistors within the chip by beaming the flash through a standard laboratory microscope.

    Could they make the cards so that removing the coating destroyed the chip?

  12. Easy to do? by AlaskanUnderachiever · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, maybe everyone else on slashdot has a full clean room. I mean, it could be a possibility. But when I hear phrases like "focusing light on a single transistor" and "Wentworth Labs MP-901 manual probing station" I tend not to think of simple or easy to do. I'm not saying you couldn't hack one, I'm just asking what % of criminals are going to have access to a "manual probing station"?

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    1. Re:Easy to do? by jelizondo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not easy but if it was it there would not be any money on breaking them. For criminals, the way it works is like what they do with current credit cards: some criminal outfit with the money to buy the talent and equipment needed starts producing them in mass and the neighboorhood hudloom uses them.

      Last year there was a spat of cases where waiters and other salespeople had been coerced into swiping customer's credit cards through a "special device" that reads the mag track and stores it. Then the device is handled back to low-life who in turns delivers it to someone who in turn reads the data and produces "genuine" credit cards for use by criminals.

      It's not easy, but if there is money on doing it you can bet it will be done.

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    2. Re:Easy to do? by saider · · Score: 2, Informative

      Much of this can be had at auctions. Many companies upgrade their equipment and shove their older, but still functional equipment out the back door to anyone who will haul it off. I know one guy who does this and makes a fairly good living. I remember he had a cell tower tranciever once. I'm sure some people would know what to do with that, but I don't.

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    3. Re:Easy to do? by uberdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're criminals. Why wouldn't they just steal one?

    4. Re:Easy to do? by symbolic · · Score: 2

      If people are willing to go to the expense and risk of cooking meth, I'm convinced that there are few things a sufficiently motivated person won't attempt.

    5. Re:Easy to do? by karlm · · Score: 2
      They're criminals. Why wouldn't they just steal one?

      I know you're just trying to be funny, but for the benefit of the 14 year olds out there, there's more than one kind of criminal. Some kinds of criminals are not willing to do some things. Most criminals even have morals and justify thier crimes in their own heads and are not willing to do other kinds of crime. I think it's probably mucheasier for a criminal to convince himself/herself that credit card fraud is okay vs. breaking and entering being okay. I wouldn't be surprised if many /.

      People who steal satelite TV are criminals. Why don't theyjust go out and mug people for the satelite TV money instead? It's a question of morals. 99% of criminals have them.

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    6. Re:Easy to do? by sean23007 · · Score: 2

      Ummm, the % that is most likely to want to steal the most (having just spent enough money to crack the smart cards). This gets into the same argument the US Treasury once had to ask: would you rather have 5 people counterfeiting $10000, or 10000 people counterfeiting $5. It isn't an easy question to answer.

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  13. don't write the PIN on the back of your smart card by Bogatyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And if I'm not running an enccrypted filesystem on a hard drive, and someone steals the hard drive out of that computer, they can read the data. Now I consider this article's significance to be just another reminder that physical security is important.
    (quoting from the linked article)
    "The Pentagon (news - web sites) has armed soldiers with smart cards for online identity and physical access...Some of the information stored in the card is in the form of a number composed of ones and zeros that cryptographers refer to as a "private key." That key is part of a two-key system that is used to encode and decode information. The security of such systems is compromised if the private key is revealed. Typically, after the card holder authenticates the card by supplying a pin number, the private key will then be used to encrypt any sort of transaction using the card."

  14. Re:Now I just got to figure out by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
    usually those type of systems only keep an ID on your card, and keep the ammount in a computer somewhere. So doing anything to the card won't effect the ammount of money linked to it.

  15. I hope that this is a joke by dmomo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since laws only stop people who obey laws. Not people with a large enough incetive to benefit from sevurity circumvention.

    1. Re:I hope that this is a joke by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Since when did doing something useful ever take precedence over the appearance of doing something useful.

      If Congress constained themselves to measures that were actually designed to _be_ useful rather than _sound_ useful they'd have a lot more time for sex scandals.

      Sounds like a win-win situation for everyone but the interns.

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  16. Re:Now I just got to figure out by Bob+McCown · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ah ha, a money laundering scheme, eh?

  17. Wow, wonder what mag power you need for the scope by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't mind being able to do this to a DirecTV access card. Grab that juicy elliptic crypto key...

    Seriously though, this works well for unlocking locked out cards, and reading the rom... but for other info that may be in a rom not directly accessible to the 8051 mcu, this isn't very valuable. Also, some of the nicest info, might not even be in a rom, but weaved into a crypto asic.

    Still, if you can alter the value of a register with the microscope... could you actually read out by hand the values stored in a masked rom? Or reverse engineer an asic?

    This could kick some serious ass.

  18. This is not a problem! (duh!) by @madeus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a neat trick, sure but it's not a big issue.

    This could ALREADY be done by anyone with a smart card reader already (which is cheaper than a camera and a microscope I might add!).

    Duh! :)

    Sensitive data on cards are stored encrypted using the readers public key. The data on the smartcard can be sent from the reader to a centralised location (over a network, much like the way credit cards are verified in realtime just now) and then decoded and verified by a central point (or a selction of central points for redundancy).

    It's a given that the smartcard could always be read - this has been accounted for in design of secure systems that use smart cards (we'll the good ones anyway, addmittedly there are quite few which don't (there are a lot of muppets in this industry) :).

    1. Re:This is not a problem! (duh!) by L-One-L-One · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't be so sure ! The application you describe is very particular.

      In practice, smartcards are often used as tamperproof devices to represent a third party, such as a bank. In France, for example, the credit card smart cards carry the bank's private key (for a Gilou/Quisquater RSA variant) as well as some additionnal secret information.
      This information is not available for any reader but is used internaly for cryptographic computations.

  19. Re:Not very shocking news. Really. by bogado · · Score: 2

    At a certain level every security measure in computer are from obscurity, you are safe because no one knows your password. But the problem arises when the design of the security measures must be made secret to keep it safe. I don't know if this is the case with the smart cards, or at least with all of them.

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  20. It's relatively simple to do... by proverbialcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but not so easy to do without someone noticing. I mean, if you're going to have the Flash card in your possession long enough to perform the attack UNDER A MICROSCOPE, wouldn't it just be easier to yank the data with one of those smart-card reader/portable hard-drive things that ThinkGeek was advertising on here?

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    1. Re:It's relatively simple to do... by JKR · · Score: 2, Informative
      wouldn't it just be easier to yank the data with one of those smart-card reader/portable hard-drive things that ThinkGeek was advertising on here?


      No, because the cards that are being talked about are cryptographically "secured", in some way or other. You'd find that, for example, you wouldn't be able to read out a private key required to descramble the program contents because the key wouldn't appear in the same memory space as the readable part of the card (this is how SD-card works).

      The clever bit here is the use of high energy density light to tamper with "tamperproof" hardware.

  21. They need to have your card first by ChenLing · · Score: 2

    They can't do this from afar. They have to actually be in physical possession of your smart card, scrape the protective layers off, and put it under a microscope. The problem is that because smart cards are more "secure", they are trusted more, and so actual breaks in such security are harder to prove. So this is like an easy way to find out someone's PIN number once you have their ATM card.

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  22. Re:Now I just got to figure out by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
    Well how do you get money on the card? If you do it in the same machine that that machine probably keeps track of the ID money information. It's very rare for the card itself to keep the ammount of money on the card.

  23. Denying problem by hether · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a manufacturer who had read the paper said it believed its products were not vulnerable to the attack.

    I love how the smart card manufacturing companies are just denying that this is a problem and saying that they've already looked at that issue. Do you really think they feel that way and have covered this problem already, or off the record they are panicking to find a way to fix the problem? I would guess that this is new to them, but that they don't want to admit their cards are vulnerable.

    BTW, The story is taken from the NY Times, so if you have problems getting to the Yahoo! version of the story, try this link:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/13/technology/13SMA R.html?todaysheadlines

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  24. The handyman's secret weapon by gambit3 · · Score: 4, Funny


    "We used duct tape to fix the photoflash lamp on the video port of a Wentworth Labs MP-901 manual probing station," they wrote in their paper.

    No matter how high tech, there's no experiment that can't be improved with duct tape

  25. It's been done... by BlueFall · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lisa: Dad! The flash must have scrambled their circuits.
    Homer: What are you, the narrator?

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  26. Re:Wow, wonder what mag power you need for the sco by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    Not sure we should go into much detail with this conversation here, but those DSS retailers are thieves, even by my admittedly low moral standards.

    It would be like them, to have the tools to throw things wide open (and become modestly rich doing so) but hesitate because they are too short-sighted and want to continue with their status quo. They steal from DirecTV, and steal from the consumers too. My god, with average viewing habits, it costs as much or more to pirate the signal, than it does to just subscribe. And there is no hassle when an ECM strikes, either... how much is that worth?

    Hypothetically though, let's say some guy uses this technique to grab that crypto key. That guy buys a $250 FPGA-PCI prototyping card. He loads pitou on the machine, to emulate most of the access card... and a crypto core from opencores.org onto the FPGA to emulate the asic. Boom. instead of driving 1-3 recievers off of a legit 3.5mhz asic, you'd have an FPGA running at 100mhz. No access card even necessary... and FPGA cards have legitimate uses besides pirating DirecTV.

    God, I love being a hardware hacker. Even a no-good bum talentless hardware hacker, is better than not being one at all.

  27. physical card access by krokodil · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The vulnerability would make it possible for a criminal to find the secret information stored in the card, steal the user's cellphone identity and make free phone calls.

    To do this he needs first to get physical access to the card, which is inside the phone (usually under battery). Having access to the phone, usually allow him to make calls anyway without complex card reading procedure.

  28. it's sad this springs to mind. by BreakWindows · · Score: 5, Funny

    A team of researchers from I.B.M.'s Thomas J. Watson Laboratory in Yorktown Heights, N.Y., said they would present a report at the conference based on their discovery ...

    Dmitri called. He said if you see any guys in cheap suits applauding on stage right, exit stage left.

    1. Re:it's sad this springs to mind. by bob_jordan · · Score: 2

      Also if while paying for your shopping with a newfangled smartcard based cash card system, the clerk asks you to hold on a moment and disappears below the counter, at which point there is a bright flash and the sound of a flashgun recharging ... check your balance before you leave.

      Bob.

  29. That's what they're calling it these days, eh? by soulcuttr · · Score: 3, Funny

    From what little I know, any criminal who has been to jail has had access to a "manual probing station". IANAC (I Am Not A Criminal), but I think it's located in the showers.

    -Sou|cuttr

  30. Re:Now I just got to figure out by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    One place I lived the laundry machines took a little plastic card with a black pattern on them. You stuck it in the machine, and it melted the card. That way noone could retrieve them. Only downside was the only way you could get more cards was to buy them off of the rooming house owner or the RA. If the RA was out all night, you were SOL and had to find a regular coin laundry.

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  31. Re:Now I just got to figure out by Twylite · · Score: 2

    You may want to read up on EMV. It is a cooperative initiative between Visa, Mastercard and Europay, and is set to roll out (region dependant) by 2005. Credit cards will be phased out soon after (by the aforementioned companies refusing to accept liability to fraud on non-EMV transactions).

    EMV provides for online and offline transaction approval, mostly based on the size of the transaction and the running size of offline transactions since the last online one.

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  32. Correction Re:This is not a problem! (duh!) by Vortran · · Score: 2

    You can't "read" the program data off a smart card... even with a reader. You can only read the output that the smart card povides through its interface. This would be the encrypted data which you can decrypt with the public key.

    To get the program and data (private key), you have to be able to read the memory directly. This is not possible with a smart card reader. Hence, the attack with microscopes and whatnot.

    You want the private key in order to ENcrypt data to be read by the smart card or the institution that issued it in order to fake the system.

    Vortran out

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  33. Re: Explanation by @madeus · · Score: 2

    Oh yes, agree of course, but no I am talking about smart cards (though depending on the use).

    Encrypting the data on the card acts as a second layer, as the data on the card is encrypted by the card (as with, say a Sky TV card), but having that data itself also be encrypted against a public key and verifed by the device reading *as well* (which would be appropriate for something like say a secure door pass networked to a central server) would be appropriately secure (though biometrics would probably be more secure, if only they were reliable [HHOS] :-).

    By way of illustration:

    *insert smart card in door pass*

    Smart card: Hi, gimme some data I can use to authenticate you.
    Reader: Here you are.
    *Smart card churns over*
    Smart card: Okay, here's some authentication data based on the input you gave me.
    Reader: Cheers, let me check that data by decrypting it against my private key.
    *Reader sends data to server*
    *Server decrypts key, compares contents (a passphrase) against a stored hash of the users passphrase.*
    Server: Yep, authenticates okay.

    *Door opens*

    This way, even if someone reverse engineered your card and built a reader, they could not get the data out unless they were also able to decrypt your authentication.

    If the card supported writing data to, you could give it a key based on a onetime pad after authenticating them too, which would be really secure (meaing the card would have be used before it was reporting missing or compromised, as you couldn't then simply make one identicle copy and keep using it because it would of course change each time it was used).

  34. Explanation by @madeus · · Score: 2

    I'm seeing a lot of very similar replies, so I guess I didn't explain it very well :-).

    Re posting this as a reply to myself so that more people will see it..

    Encrypting the data on the card acts as a second layer, as the data on the card is encrypted by the card (as with, say a Sky TV card), but having that data itself also be encrypted against a public key and verifed by the device reading *as well* (which would be appropriate for something like say a secure door pass networked to a central server) would be appropriately secure (though biometrics would probably be more secure, if only they were reliable [HHOS] :-).

    By way of illustration:

    *insert smart card in door pass*
    Smart card: Hi, gimme some data I can use to authenticate you.
    Reader: Here you are.
    *Smart card churns over*
    Smart card: Okay, here's some authentication data based on the input you gave me.
    Reader: Cheers, let me check that data by decrypting it against my private key.
    *Reader sends data to server*
    *Server decrypts key, compares contents (a passphrase) against a stored hash of the users passphrase say (just as an example).*
    Server: Yep, authenticates okay.
    *Door opens*

    This way, even if someone reverse engineered your card and built a reader, they could not get the data out unless they were also able to decrypt your authentication.

    As a stage further, you could give the card a new 'key 'based on a one time pad after authenticating them too, which would be really secure (meaing the card would have be used before it was reporting missing or compromised, as you couldn't then simply make one identicle copy and keep using it because it would of course change each time it was used).

    This *could* even work in something like Sky / OnDigitial boxes because they both already have modems which could be used to authenticate the new card (monthly, or yearly when a new card was inserted) but not obviously for realtime decoding of video data. :-) Possibly just for authentication pherhaps....(though to be honest, that level of security would be be relevent in this particular instance :-)

  35. Re:Explanation (minor correction - typo) by @madeus · · Score: 2

    Of course:

    Though to be honest, that level of security would be be relevent in this particular instance :-)

    Should read:

    Though to be honest, that level of security would *not* be relevent in this particular instance :-)

  36. Re:Wow, wonder what mag power you need for the sco by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    Well, I do this for the fun factor.

    Yes, I agree that interpreting signals beamed onto your property is nothing evil or or thieving. Make no mistakes though, the law isn't on your side (not even in Canada anymore). What is even worse, apparently DirecTV has the technology to aim where they send this signal. I'm not sure how finegrained it is (doubtful that it can send to your neighbor subscriber, but not to you), but they no doubt improve it slowly just so the burden isn't placed on them. Much easier to buy laws.

    Dealers though? Dealers ARE stealing. If anyone has the right to sell this signal, and I'm not sure anyone does have it, it most certainly is DirecTV's right, and theirs alone. Dealers aren't selling things at a modest price, so that they can make a living, or anything like that, they are profiteering. No excuses or justifications are possible. The very thing they are selling, is watered down, so they can continue to sell it longer, and jack up prices. That's why I would love to see some asic emulation VHDL show up anonymously on the web. Would destroy their access card black market, would make the supply for all practical purposes unlimited and just totally screw everything over.

  37. Man this sucks by Uttles · · Score: 2

    Well for me it does. I work for a certain company that's trying to use smart cards in a certain product that shouldn't use smart cards but buzzword loving project managers don't want to use anything else... so anyway, I guess this will mean we have to scrap the whole smart card idea and start over on something else...

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  38. I read about that too by swb · · Score: 2

    I read about the waitron pocket-scanner, too. Most of the waitrons I know wouldn't have been coerced, they would have done it for free drugs, which is how this was probably paid for. After the first couple of payments you'll either keep coming back or they'll use the past drug payments against you..

  39. And these guys promise me security? by startled · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    "We've already looked at this area."

    He said his company had built defensive measures into its products that would make them invulnerable to such an attack. However, he said he was unwilling to be specific about the nature of the security system, because such information would be valuable to someone who was attempting to break the security of the Atmel smart cards.

    Great! They've solved the problem by adding a thin layer of obscurity! I feel secure now.

  40. OOps wrong article by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

    Awww, I thought those blew up too, just like the buckeyball-tubules....

  41. We fixed it, but we can't tell you how! by tweakt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "He said his company had built defensive measures into its products that would make them invulnerable to such an attack. However, he said he was unwilling to be specific about the nature of the security system, because such information would be valuable to someone who was attempting to break the security of the Atmel smart cards."

    If it's secure, but only because noone knows how it works, then it's inherently *NOT* secure. When will they learn?

    OBSCURITY IS NOT SECURITY

    *sigh*

    1. Re:We fixed it, but we can't tell you how! by Alsee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OBSCURITY IS NOT SECURITY

      Once again, someone taking a piece of truth and misapplying it.

      Obscurity is an excellent additional layer of defence.

      An example: Take any well known strong encryption, say Triple-DES. Thousands of people have spent thousands of hours studying it and analyized the best attacks against it. I guarantee some organizations have built special hardware to crack it. They grab a message, feed it into the NSA ultra-parallel computer and *BING* 24 hours later an answer pops out.

      Now, lets say I use triple-DES but then I add a piece of crap insecure custom encryption on top. Heck, even a ROT-13 layer would cause dedicated hardware to barf. Now the million man-hours of triple-DES research and your billion-dollar super computer are completely useless until someone invests the time to crack my personal encryption layer. It doesn't matter if the "obscure" layer is insecure. If a million people use a million obscure custom encryptions, the time you invest breaking one does you no good when you get to the next.

      Security through obscurity is only flawed when it is your primary line of defense.

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  42. Um by scrytch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone grabs your smartcard, why wouldn't they just *use* it. Or call the credit card company, tell them they're you, pass their rigourous security screening questions like asking for your social security number, and get a new card. Social engineering is a lot easier than tunnelling a flash with a microscope.

    Jesus ... it's a *key*. That's why you keep keys safe. Someone grabs my keys (those little jangly jagged metal things), they can use them, and if they have key duplicating equipment, they can duplicate my keys. Big deal.

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  43. "Smart" by hysterion · · Score: 2

    Smart Cards
    Smart Tags
    Smart Devices
    Smart Clients
    Smart Phone
    Smart Thinking
    Smart Display
    Smart Interface Pointers
    Smart Clip Art
    Smart Online Business
    Smart Downloading
    Smart Worker Seminars
    At this point, wouldn't it be prudent to just quit using that word for anything to do with computers?