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UK to get Public Wireless LAN

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the start-running-ethereal dept.

shanksd1 writes "The IEE Review for May reports that BT is announcing the UK's first public access wireless LAN, with a little help from Motorola and Cisco. 400 wireless hotspots of range 100m should be implemented by June 2003, and 4000 by June 2005. These 500 kb/s access points will be located in hotels, railway stations, airports, bars and coffee shops."

140 comments

  1. Today on ask slashdot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will the EMP from the coming nuclear war in central Asia adversly effect my reception on the public wireless LAN here in the UK?



    Hey India : "Turn on main screen!"

    1. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No way is this funny.

    2. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by Thud457 · · Score: -1, Troll

      "Slashdot : news for self-absorbed nerds, the real world doesn't matter"

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    3. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. However, it will severly curtail the number of Indian and Pakistani coders coming here on visas.

      Get those CV's upto date!

    4. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by IAgreeWithThisPost · · Score: -1

      isn't it interesting how most of the world's major conflicts seem to be various sects of the muslim world vs. everyone else. islam vs hindu. islam vs. judaism. islam vs. america. islam vs. buddhism(ie. Taliban blowing up buddhist statues).

      I'm seeing a trend here

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    5. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by graphicartist82 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Or even better.. make it into a poll:

      Will the EMP from the coming nuclear war in central Asia adversly effect my reception on the public wireless LAN here in the UK?

      Yes

      No

      Who cares? I don't live in the UK!

      Cowboy Neal

    6. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by Thud457 · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you're a member on fark, someone has set up a pool. Sick bastards.


      We all know it's inevitable. Quit jerking us around and get busy with it guys.

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    7. Re:Today on ask slashdot: by Thud457 · · Score: -1

      (score : 3, funny) !!!!

      You moderators are clearly some sick motherfuckers!

      Pakistan & India are this --&gt&lt-- far from going to war, and you think it's funny!

      You notice that most of the Trolls are silent on this matter. Even they're smart enough to know that this is serious.



      You (un)fucking fourteen-year-olds make me sick. I hope you're downwind when the time comes.

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  2. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    HOLLAND, MI - Authorities are investigating the ever increasing incidents of cavity searches at Township Airport, which is situated 4 miles northwest of the town of Holland. Official records show that there has been over a 500% increase in the number of full cavity searches conducted by its officials between 1994 and 2002. The number of searches being conducted has steadily risen each year, and now authorities are becoming concerned that there is a problem.

    A security officer within the airport revealed that the majority of these searches are being conducted on a very small group of regular travellers. The issue was first raised by an administrative worker, who noticed the spending on lubricant and latex gloves and raised the alarm with senior management.

    One source within the airport told us that the cavity searches were even being conducted at the request of the passengers themselves. On one occasion, a passenger even removed his trousers prior to leaving the aircraft in anticipation of the check.

    A female passenger lodged a complaint with airport staff after finding a man inserting aniseed sweets up his rectum outside a phone kiosk. The man, known only as Katz, has been spotted on several occasions, walking back and forth past the guard dogs and generally looking suspicious. Experts examining the case think that this behaviour is consitent with attempting to induce the need for a rectal examination.

    In March, Robert Malda was arrested by Michigan State Police for sexually harassing security staff at the airport. Stephen Young, a guard at the airport, filed a complaint after Malda cornered him by an X-Ray machine. Malda was dragged away from the airport screaming "Stevie's pinkie is bigger than CowboyNeal's fist!"

    Airport officials say the investigation is still underway, but have hinted that the majority of these problems seem to be caused by men carrying laptop computers and wearing t-shirts emblazoned with a penguin.

  3. What's The Catch? by donnacha · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Given BT's appalling record on broadband so far, I find it hard to get excited about this.

    1. Re:What's The Catch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I agree; BT are terrible.

      This is probably just an urban myth, but I'm sure I've heard that BT are not allowed to use the word 'reliable' in their advertising any more.

      That's why I'm happy to spend £100 a month on my Demon ADSL line; 1 year's service and only 3 interruptions of more than 5 minutes that I can remember.

    2. Re:What's The Catch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't Demon just repackage BT's adsl service, like anyone else who sells adsl here in the UK???

    3. Re:What's The Catch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      £100 a month!? You've been ripped off mate. I only pay demon £30 quid a month for ADSL...

  4. What I want to know is... by flirzan · · Score: 1

    Will you be able to access the network of cameras that are all over the place over there? That would make for an interesting service....

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  5. Time to move.. by jswitte · · Score: 1

    Gee, between the DMCA, CBDTPA, the Content Protection Status Report, a Congress that's bought and paid for (not by us the people), and the *AA's, perhaps it's time to move to Europe..

    1. Re:Time to move.. by neocon · · Score: 1

      Haven't read much about copy protection laws in the UK, have you? Or the EU, which recommends that member nations ban web caching as a form of copyright violation?

    2. Re:Time to move.. by ZillyMonk · · Score: 1

      We should just start our own country, then. Slashdottia has a nice ring to it, I think.

    3. Re:Time to move.. by karm13 · · Score: 1
      Or the EU, which recommends that member nations ban web caching as a form of copyright violation?

      where'd you get that from?

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    4. Re:Time to move.. by Genghis+Troll · · Score: -1

      Were Gayland and Faggotopia already taken?

    5. Re:Time to move.. by neocon · · Score: 1

      Two sources on this:

    6. Re:Time to move.. by Richthofen80 · · Score: 2

      Sure, just don't expect to keep as much of your paycheck. And don't forget the VAT. most geeks that read slashdot like myself love purchasing electronics. See how much you can purchase with a 17% overhead, not to mention other local taxes.

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    7. Re:Time to move.. by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1

      Heh you fucking bastard. Now I have Peach Snapple running out of my nose and on the keyboard too. I also have a cow-orker asking me what's so funny.

    8. Re:Time to move.. by MartinB · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, we actually have public services (remember them?) and spend less per capita on pointless defence schemes like Star Wars (the system, not the movie). Oh, and remember that VAT is already added to the things you buy, it's not an additional overhead, and of course, if you're an IT contractor, then you're a small business, VAT registered, and you claim every penny back.

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    9. Re:Time to move.. by karm13 · · Score: 1

      this looks like they were planning it, but against a stron opposition.
      i coulnd't find a name in the articles to search for on the eu parliaments website. wonder what happened to this in the past three years.

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    10. Re:Time to move.. by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      See how much you can purchase with a 17% overhead, not to mention other local taxes.

      Huh? There are no 'other local taxes' on purchases. What are you talking about?

      As opposed to the US, where half the things I've bought while visiting had the wrong price on them, because they don't include the X% local sales tax.

      Look to the mote in thine own eye.

      Tim

    11. Re:Time to move.. by UncleFluffy · · Score: 2

      Actually, being a Brit who moved to the US, I pay about the same % overall here as I did in the UK if you include basic healthcare costs and the suchlike. YMMV of course.

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  6. First RealLife Troll! by IAgreeWithThisPost · · Score: -1

    howbout RealLife? You go outside and interact with other people. Great graphics, although it is rather difficult to advance in levels. Oh, and no starting over.

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    1. Re:First RealLife Troll! by returnofthe_spork · · Score: 0, Funny
      and no starting over.

      unless you're a Buddhist.

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  7. Where's the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe its just a lack of caffeine, but I can't find anything regarding a wireless network on those two linked pages....

  8. Wake up Call? by $nyper · · Score: 1

    When will we wake up and adopt this in the USA? This is an awesome idea.

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    1. Re:Wake up Call? by Zelet · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't really feasable in the U.S. Our country has too small of a population density to make this really worthwhile on a federal government scale. The only way that I could see this happening in the U.S. is if each city paid for the wireless network then the Federal Government footed the bill for backbone access. Thus splitting the costs between local and national levels and making it affordable to each party involved.

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  9. spaces? aagh!!! by laserjet · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does anyone trust a telecom company that puts spaces in their directory names, thus causing problems with some web browers? Not to mention, it's just bad style. Damn kids. Don't know how to do anything anym...grumble grumble..

    http://www.btplc.com/innovation and technology/

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    1. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by Influencial · · Score: 1

      Any half decent browser can deal with that, now complain about something worthwhile.

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    2. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2

      spaces in their directory names

      It's%20not%20that%20big%20of%20deal,%20man...

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    3. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by not_cub · · Score: 1
      Does anyone trust a telecom company that puts spaces in their directory names, thus causing problems with some web browers?
      Worked fine in Mozilla and konqueror. So yes, I think I trust them, at least with this. Getting broadband to my home is another matter.

      not_cub

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    4. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by Fishd · · Score: 1

      Hell no... but then again, ask a Brit with a net connection when was the last time he/she trusted good ol' BT anyways?

      "I'm sorry your unmetered internet connection wasn't properly registered, so we charge you £14.95 a month plus £450 a month for your phone bills" or the absolute classic of "well, it's like this, when we said 'unlimited internet access' we didn't really mean it..."

    5. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by peddrenth · · Score: 1

      Well, they did invent the hyperlink, so I suppose BT are the experts on what's allowed.

    6. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by T-Punkt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it's not just bad style, it's a violation of the URI syntax (RFC2396).

      Even further: RFC2616 (HTTP/1.1) recommends that spaces should be stripped out of the URI (at least the default squid.conf says so and I'm to lazy to verify that) - but I bet the result would be a 404 in this case.

    7. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by fallacy · · Score: 1

      O.K. How about these:

      BT "Sometimes"
      BT rewrites T&Cs to kick off users
      BT degradates service for heavy users

      When I used BTInternet as an ISP, the service was appalling - random disconnections, loss of DNS, loss of routing, disgraceful customer support.
      Yes, I know that BTInternet (now BTOpenworld) is meant to be separate from BT itself - which BTi loved to point out when things went wrong (often) and came back with the ever-original "Oh, we can't do anything - we have to wait for BT to do x." - but since BTi use the BT brand name as an advertising leverage I have no respect for either.

      Mind you: I'm also biased as I come from Hull where they have a real telecoms operator...

    8. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by JimDabell · · Score: 1

      Heh. You're telling me.

    9. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by hype7 · · Score: 1

      but you're forgetting - BT invented the internet.

      -- james

    10. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought AlGore created the internet.

    11. Re:spaces? aagh!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn kids. Don't know how to do anything anym...grumble grumble..
      Gee.. if you're one of them kids, at least don't reply to him. It's always been bad style. Spaces in directory names shouldn't even be allowed on file systems imho.

  10. Here's a better link... by RatOmeter · · Score: 5, Informative

    I couldn't find anything on the links provided above. Google found me this:

    BBC

  11. I dunno.... by Mr._Anderson · · Score: -1

    Maybe they just want another way to monitor the public in the UK.

  12. Why not just go satellite? by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 2



    Ah, when Stellarium gets the ability to track satellites, THEN i'll be more than happy to go wireless with my net connection. :)

    Cheers

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    Bowie J. Poag

    1. Re:Why not just go satellite? by geogeek6_7 · · Score: 1

      Awesome link, that is very cool.

      ~geogeek

  13. ...And Where's The Article? by donnacha · · Score: 0, Redundant


    I may be missing something here but I can't find the IEE article in question. One link goes to the IEE's main page, the other to BT. I've looked around the IEE site and even used their site search facility but found nothing!

    What strange madness is this?

    1. Re:...And Where's The Article? by donnacha · · Score: 2


      Ah, okay, the BBC to the rescue once again.

      I guess CmdrTaco was thinking wireless but flying brainless.

    2. Re:...And Where's The Article? by donnacha · · Score: 0, Offtopic


      Unbelievable, I post something questioning a major flaw in a story posted just minutes ago and, because somebody else submitted the same question just seconds before me, my posting gets modded down as redundant?

      That doesn't make any sense, some sort of rule such be implemented to prevent the use of Redundant until a decent time has elapsed.

      At the very least, the advice given to moderators should be clearer on this and other hiccups in the system.

    3. Re:...And Where's The Article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Now you're being off-topic.

      Chill out, it's only karma.

    4. Re:...And Where's The Article? by LMCBoy · · Score: 1

      why? Karma isn't just there to reward the poster, its primary function is to let the readers filter out noise. If your post was redundant, and was moderated so, I don't see the problem, even if you didn't mean for it to be redundant.

      (I effectively modded myself -1, Offtopic by checking "No Score +1 Bonus" for this post :)

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    5. Re:...And Where's The Article? by donnacha · · Score: 1


      Okay, good point, I'm new to this, I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense. Thanks.

      And, following your lead ...

      (I effectively modded myself -1, Offtopic by checking "No Score +1 Bonus" for this post :)

  14. UK to get really wide! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  15. New fad in Britain by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2

    Hijacking someone's 802.11 connex and ordering some smack--maybe even charge it to their [insert charming British expression for "Credit Card" here].

    --
    "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
    1. Re:New fad in Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In Britain, they're generally known as "Gumbies". This is because the original credit cards, produced in the 1850s, were made from an indian rubber - gum - like substance.

      They were around the same size and shape as a modern card, but about four times as thick, with most of the details of the credit card issuer, and credit card number, together with a seal, being etched into the card. Retailers would coat the reverse-image etched side of the card with ink and then print the image onto the bill. It provided a relatively secure means of authentication.

      Modern cards in Britain, of course, contain smart-chips, similar to full-size SIMs in GSM cellphones, which has lead to "simmies" being another name for the things, which is gaining popularity.

    2. Re:New fad in Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Britain, they're generally known as "Gumbies".

      No.

      "simmies" being another name for the things, which is gaining popularity

      No, really, they're not. Its a credit card, or Visa, or sometimes even just called a Switch (Which is a debit card, but quite generic these days).

      Or is this some sort of Northen Thing? If it is, shouldn't you be watching ITV? In fact, where did you get the computer from? Damn, where did you get the electricity from?!

      Only joking. I love Notherners. Especially boiled.

    3. Re:New fad in Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, what are you smoking? We tend to call them "Credit Cards".

    4. Re:New fad in Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's funny you should say that. In 1892, the Allied Northern Credit Corporation experimented with a cheaper card made from hemp. The hemp was split into a congealed gel substance which hardenned when dried, and raw fibres. The two were seperated and then mixed together again to create a toughened credit card. Unlike the rubber cards, the cards contained their own ink, which would seep through when light pressure was applied, drying instantly due to the vacuum effect when the pressure was released. The "ink", again, was hemp derived, a black oil mixed with a small amount of alcohol, the entire card's only non-hemp derived ingredient.

      Despite being technically superior to the rubber cards, the cards didn't catch on. Uninformed retailers challenged the authenticity of the cards, and they were not popular with customers as a result. Allied Northern switched to standard rubber cards in 1902, well before the introduction of plastic cards in 1951, and before the 1933 Controlled Substances Act effectively made the cards illegal.

      You can find out more about this here.

    5. Re:New fad in Britain by Chicane-UK · · Score: 1

      'Charming British Expression'?

      Funny - I call my Credit Card a.. er.. Credit Card!

      --
      "Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
    6. Re:New fad in Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I thought Northerners refered to them as "door-keys"? Or is that just Liverpudlians?

    7. Re:New fad in Britain by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

      The hemp was split into a congealed gel substance which hardenned when dried, and raw fibres. The two were seperated and then mixed together again to create a toughened credit card. Unlike the rubber cards, the cards contained their own ink, which would seep through when light pressure was applied, drying instantly due to the vacuum effect when the pressure was released. The "ink", again, was hemp derived

      This is some funny shit! Why don't you sign up for an account so we can find your other posts?

      What cracks me up is the moderators, imagining this magical land of bangers, roundabouts, and spotted dick, thinking "gumbies" isn't too far fetched... lol.

  16. 100m? by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

    100 meters doesn't seem like much to get excited about..

    1. Re:100m? by RatOmeter · · Score: 1

      Right. And lest you get too excited, it ain't gonna be free. No pricing was discussed, but in the article here it says:

      "Once the service is opened up to consumers, BT plans to offer access through subscription or pay-as-you-go."

      I sincerely doubt that it will revolutionise the average UK person's roaming connectivity.

    2. Re:100m? by Cmdr+Taco+(luser) · · Score: 1

      This move, by itself, may not revolutionize wireless net in the UK, but it's certainly a step in the right direction and, perhaps, will turn out to be a critical step toward what will turn out to be a revolution.

      Sites like this one show what appears to me to be a continuous stream of similar news. The announcement of publicly accessible Wireless LANs, free, public and private, is on the rise. I believe that this is a trend that will not only continue, but grow. I also believe that just a few years down the road, wireless access (esp. in metropolitan areas, of course) will be the norm, not the exception. However, I think the 'free to the public' efforts will not be the norm; they are financially unsupportable and often of questionable legality (upstream provider TOS stuff).

      --
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  17. And yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This won't help their comedies become funny. Drat!
    Perhaps this would be better spent on a dental plan? M2C

    1. Re:And yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, with "comedies" like Friends coming over, I don't know why we even bother!!

      Seriously, just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's not funny!

  18. Words, commas, and two or three. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    There seems to be two acceptable ways of delimiting three or more items in English. The difference being in the amount of commas.

    One, two, and three.

    -Or-

    One, two and three.

    In the past, I noticed most people using the the first type, and some "professional" articles using the second type. However, more recently, I have seen the second type much more often.

    This could either be due to what I have been reading, or a change in peoples' preference. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?

    1. Re:Words, commas, and two or three. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 2nd form is correct while the first is not.

  19. How much more of this? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    Until the internet radically changes? Eventually all of Europe and the United states will be wireless networks, and perhaps backbones wont seem as important? It makes me wonder if P2P will be come a necessity in other ways. Hang on tight guys, but it will be a while before a major wireless push hits the US.

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    "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
    1 John 4:14
    1. Re:How much more of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All it means is that wireless networks become a more popular method to access the backbone. This doesn't make the backbone any less important, and may in fact help it grow. There is just no way the ad hoc network/community network/etc. fads can replace wired connectivity.

    2. Re:How much more of this? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      Well, there's still connectivity, but indirectly you're just getting the data from other users. It will probably lead to increased efficiency of the backbones, but maybe we wont need as many.

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      "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
      1 John 4:14
  20. packing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    screw this, i'm moving to brittan (sp, yea yea i know, i'm stupid)!
    whoa! my underwear!

  21. Re:Blair sold the British Ass to Bill Gates .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will only be able to use the MickeySoft network with Disney approved laptops and pdas. You will of course have to get another passport because your entering a strange new world aboard the good ship enterprise owned by the Borg in Redmond. Bill Gates now owns the Queens ass. Elections anyone in the UK. Tony Blair is the Queens puppet just watch Prime Ministers Questions Time but the British people are the greatest. The question must be put forth as to the Monarchy why in hell do we have a Queen who is hell bent on selling us out to Bill Gates.

  22. yeah right its like bicycles by johnjones · · Score: 2

    cambridge thought it would be a good idea to give people public bikes

    they got stolen by a few people and then they didnt try it again

    it'll be the same with the wireless points some people will abuse it and all the rest of us wont be able to use it

    who cares really ....

    I want my 384Kbs to my mobile phone NOW......

    then I dont have to share my bandwidth if I dont want to

    regards

    john jones

    p.s. it also means that I can stream my MP3's from home (as well as Mpeg ;-)

    1. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Greedo · · Score: 1

      p.s. it also means that I can stream my MP3's from home (as well as Mpeg ;-)

      Yeah, I would *love* to be able to watch The Matrix or whatever on my cellphone's 100x100 pixel, black-and-green screen. :)

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    2. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by azzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually.. Cambridge coucil 'recycled' old and unclaimed stolen(recovered or lost) bikes. Painted them green and left them around to be free to use. They were less likely to be stolen due to being obvious (green) and were very popular. And guess what.. theft of other bikes was reduced because the green ones were easier to steal. That was part of the whole thing. There was no real monetary loss for the green ones stolen.. and a gain because property of individuals was safer. It was a _very_ good plan.

    3. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by barnaclebarnes · · Score: 2
      I want my 384Kbs to my mobile phone NOW......

      So you mean 3G? yeah right. no way you are gonna get 384Kbs for a long, long time. They can bearly get 100Kbs standing still with the wind blowing in the right direction.

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    4. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Spunk · · Score: 1

      They were less likely to be stolen due to being obvious (green) and were very popular.

      the green ones were easier to steal.

      Aren't you contradicting yourself here? This sounds interesting but I can't figure out what you mean.

    5. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Tim+Ward · · Score: 2

      The Green Bike scheme was a totally mad idea by a previous adminstration.

      The people currently running Cambridge City Council, including me, are not very likely to do anything quite as daft as that.

    6. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "I want my 384Kbs to my mobile phone NOW...... "

      Speak for yourself. I want my faster than 28.8 internet access from home NOW!

      It makes me cry when I realise that people in Japan can get 13X the bandwidth on their phones than I can get at home.

      Such are the drawbacks of living in Rural Canada. Widespread public wireless access points will never be the case here because the populastion density is too low. If you installed one at my place with a 100ft range, it would only serve about 5 people. And there's no cable, no ADSL, and extra A/D conversions in super-long copper phone loops so you can't get 56K.

    7. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "If you installed one at my place with a 100ft range, it would only serve about 5 people. "

      And if you installed one with a 100 m range like in the proposed BT system, you would only serve about 22 people.

    8. Re:yeah right its like bicycles by Tony+Laszlo,+Tokyo · · Score: 1

      Similar schemes are now in place in a number of cities and towns around the world. Apparently it didn't survive the changes in the Cambridge political climate, but "mad idea?" I think not.

  23. FOR THE UK TROLLS: DERBYSHIRE FRUIT LOAF by RecipeTroll · · Score: -1

    Derbyshire Fruit Loaf

    Ingredients
    1 lb Mixed dried fruit
    8 oz Sugar
    1/2 pt Hot tea
    1 x Egg
    1 lb SR flour
    1/2 ts Mixed spice
    1/2 ts Grated nutmeg
    2 tb Marmalade

    Put the dried fruit and the sugar into a mixing bowl,
    add the hot tea and leave to soak overnight. Next
    day, set oven to 300/F or Mark 2. Grease and line a 7
    inch cake tin or two 1 lb. loaf tins. Stir the egg,
    flour, spices and the marmalade into the fruit, sugar
    and tea mixture. Pour into the cake tin or the loaf
    tins. Bake for l 1/2 -2 hours until frm to the touch
    or until a skewer pushed into the cake comes out
    clean. Do not open the oven during the first hour of
    baking time. This cake will keep well.

    Makes 4 Servings

  24. Flexible friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We call credit cards "flexible friends" in Britain, as they are made with plastic and help us out when we need dosh.

    HTH HAND

  25. Scores of citizens cry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get away from me, you're stealing my bandwidth!

  26. coffee shops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's in Amsterdam. It would be a good thing tho...

  27. We already have this in sweden...kinda by huhmz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Stockholm if you have a laptop with a wlan card you can sniff for open access points from wlans used by companys.
    Quite a lot of them don't use encryption or locked down MAC addresses so you can leech bandwidth from about half a dussin open networks while sipping coffee at a nice cosy coffee shop.

    I imagine this must be ten times worse in big cities like NY.

    1. Re:We already have this in sweden...kinda by PHPee · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are probably right about it being worse in bigger cities. Here is a link to a story about how easy it was for a reporter to gain access to wireless networks in Toronto.

    2. Re:We already have this in sweden...kinda by donnacha · · Score: 5, Funny


      We already have this in sweden

      Yeah, but I find it so inconvenient having to fly to Sweden to check my email.

    3. Re:We already have this in sweden...kinda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      We wouldnt want your big snaggly fucking self over here anyways, you poofter.

    4. Re:We already have this in sweden...kinda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really !!! :)

    5. Re:We already have this in sweden...kinda by Chinese+Karma+Whore · · Score: -1

      I don't. Scandinavia is heaven

  28. Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know anybody who calls them that... "Flexible Friend" was the term used in advertisments for 'Access' cards (before they decided they'd call themselves Mastercard like the rest of the world).

    If you want a British term, try 'plastic' or 'the never never' in ways such as "Yeah, I got it on plastic" or "She's paying for it on the never never"... Then again these terms aren't used much either... hmm ... we just call them bloody credit cards ;)

    1. Re:Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I just call it a Credit Card (Usually suffixed with the word "bill", as in "oh, its my credit card bill"). Oh, and you need to be bloody Rolph Harris to make that "wop wop" sound they used to have on the Access adverts!

    2. Re:Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, as in 'do you take plastic?' - pretty recent, whereas 'never never' must be a century old if it's a day - my East End great-grandmother used to say it and she was born in 1871.

    3. Re:Nah! by dwater · · Score: 1

      > I don't know anybody who calls them that...

      I call them that sometimes.

      --
      Max.
  29. Security Considerations by Hornsby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every time I hear about this type of thing, the exact same question springs into my mind. How is user accountability enforced in this type of "wide open" network enviroment. Normally, people can be back-tracked to their ISP, and a name can be connected to an IP for a given time frame. What's to stop someone from using these public networks as a means to perform malicious behaviour anonymously? In a setup like I'm picturing, there wouldn't even be a need to spoof your IP address.

    --
    A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle.
    1. Re:Security Considerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are public, not free. You have to have a login to use them. Login ties you to a person just like a normal ISP.

      The main security issue is packet encryption and sniffing.

    2. Re:Security Considerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, pshaw. If you are security concious at all, you know that's a load of BS. Someone will find the modern day 2600hz of this system (beit someone elses' login, a spoof or whatever), and will have free reign to do whatever the hell they please. It's just a matter of time after it's implemented.

    3. Re:Security Considerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same problem as a public phone, and we have been living with those for a century.

    4. Re:Security Considerations by barnaclebarnes · · Score: 2

      First, the network isn't open. You have to log on to get any access (It will even block acess to other users on the same WLAN). Once you are logged on they can track you.

      Also, If you are smart and using a WLAN you VPN into your corporate network, don't trust any of the built-in 'security' of WLAN...

      /b

      --
      [Please type your sig here.]
    5. Re:Security Considerations by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 1

      I was going to pretty much say the same thing. I can imagine a cheap 286 notebook being left behind a garbage can, serving kiddie pr0n and plenty of other nefarious things happening on that there wireless LAN thingybop.

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  30. San Diego by jonestor · · Score: 1

    When is San Diego going to get something like this?

  31. Solution by Strom+Thurmond+(R-SC · · Score: -1

    Nuke towelheads now.

    --

    Strom Thurmond; the dean of the US Senate...
    the deadest fart on slashdot.

    1. Re:Solution by neal+n+bob · · Score: -1

      Strom - it will be a sad day for us all when they finally take you off life support.

  32. Re:Brussels Filipek Microsoft `Passport' Probe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brussels, May 24 (Bloomberg) -- Jon Filipek, a partner at the Brussels office of Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP who specializes in data-protection matters, comments on the European Commission's probe into Microsoft Corp. on charges that its system to collect personal information breaks privacy rules. The 15-nation European Union's executive arm said it has ``concerns'' about the legality of Microsoft's Passport account, which stores identification so Internet users don't have to re- enter it for different programs and Web sites. ``The jurisdictional issue is very interesting. Do these activities fall under the directive when European Web-users themselves input their data onto a U.S.-based server? ``The commission's advisers have taken a hard-line position on this in the past. They have said effectively that even a small dot-com without any European operations can fall under the directive if, for example, they transmit a cookie to the computer of a European Web-user.'' On possible sanctions against Microsoft: ``It will be mainly up to the national governments to enforce the rules. They have the authority to impose fines, confiscate databases and block transmissions of data, for example.''

  33. Bzzzt - Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The comma used before the and in a list of items is known as the serial comma. Many technical publications will require its use in their articles.

    Omitting the serial comma can, in some cases, lead to confusion and ambiguity.

  34. Here's how they plan to pay for it... by hbmartin · · Score: 1

    By winning the patent case that they own hyperlinks! These guys aren't nice. If every website in the world has to pay them, then they'll be able to put up wireless networks everywhere! Which would you rather have?

    --
    Karma: Bizzare (mostly affected by varying internal caffeine levels.)
    1. Re:Here's how they plan to pay for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why use hyperlinks??? Just put a botton and use window.open & onClick() event to open the website you want to link to.

  35. FUCK THE LAMENESS FILTERS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate the lameness filterz! If you do too, then visit this site!

  36. Invalid Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The security issues involved with wireless networking are well published and well exploited. The proliferation of wireless networking will make these exploits more prevalent and more well publicized, which will ultimately decrease demand for these services in general and make it harder to push new services in the future. This service also provides a means for additional non-wireless exploits to transpire in a more anonymous fashion. Additionally ubiquitous access will cannibalize some of their other services, like data over cellular. Doesn't make sense. There seems to be a direct correlation between wires and profit. I think the nation of Christmas Island has the best "ubiquitious connectivity model."

  37. So you can be surveilled instead? by glrotate · · Score: 1
    No thanks. I really don't care to be monitored by big brother wherever I go.

  38. SERVICE IS FREE! by Tokerat · · Score: 1

    ...well, there is a 2 pound charge for every hyperlink clicked while accessing the LAN...

    --
    CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
  39. Whew, glad I read that wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a moment I thought RMS got an elementary particle named after him, Stallmanium.

  40. it can't use WEP though because terrorists might.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all the wireless traffic must be sent without encryption because terrorists could use the network

  41. Did anyone mention legal? by fireshipjohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    The RA (equiv to FCC over here) has not actually licensed any commercial use of the 802.11 band here yet and it may be BT trying to force a decision from them.
    As yet what they propose is illegal in the UK.

    Consume the net anyone?

  42. News? by barnaclebarnes · · Score: 5, Informative

    BT announced their intentions a while ago about getting into this space...The fact still remains that it is illegal in the UK sell 802.11b bandwidth at the moment (AFAIK). They are banking on the fact that the government will change the laws regarding this (It does seem fairly likely).

    Once the laws have changed expect a lot more public for-profit WLAN's to emerge.

    I can't wait until someone actually puts them in though. Broadband in public spaces is sorely missing. If BT were smart they would build a 802.11b/Bluetooth AP into every phone box in the country. You can already SMS/Phone/Internet access at all the new ones anyway, adding wireless would be a small cost increment.

    /b

    PS: It is legal to use WLAN in business in the UK but not to provide a commercial service from it. So having a WLAN connection in your cafe and chargin for it is not OK, having a WLAN in the office for staff to use is OK.

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    [Please type your sig here.]
  43. Re:it can't use WEP though because terrorists migh by Junta · · Score: 2

    sure, they are allowed to use WEP all they want. WEP is about as private as a glass house.

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  44. BT record to date by panurge · · Score: 1
    When a consultant I know moved to our part of the world, BT told him he could have DSL in six months. That was two years ago. And you know how long before he gets DSL? Still six months. And he lives a mile from a great big central office.

    I suspect that this is purely a ploy by BT. Look, regulator, so we haven't rolled out broadband. But it's obsolete anyway: we're going wireless. Real soon. You wouldn't want us to raise the rentals to pay for a technology no-one will want, would you?

    Should give them another few years of failing to make progress.

    Back in 1990, I was talking to some guys from BT labs. The future was going to be video phones. They were just 6 months from commercialising the technology.

    All the above, of course, is just my personal opinion.

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  45. No more pesky wires to worry about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    when installing all those cameras to spy on their citizens.

  46. Public access to CCTV by Tim+Ward · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    This is not a new idea - it was suggested years ago in an article in Wired.

    Actually nobody in the UK (apart from the criminals) does anything but enthusiastically support the CCTV systems, particularly when a child goes missing.

    As a district councillor I have been invited several times to visit our council's control room, but haven't bothered to find time yet because, whilst it would be an interesting visit, it's not a bit deal as I have precisely 0 constituents worried about CCTV who need to be reassured. (I think that in fact anyone who asks to visit the control room will get a tour. So in fact I think we already have public access to the CCTV pictures.)

    The only complaints we get are that CCTV sometimes fails to catch criminals; and that there aren't enough CCTV cameras, which is a complaint we get every time there is a crime not covered by the camera system.

    [Of course, in a country where everyone is entitled to own guns and they have more shootings than we have burglaries they might simply be used to being victims of crime as a way of life, and "privacy" nutters might, with the backing of the NRA, make more noise than they do here?]

    1. Re:Public access to CCTV by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      US POP: 287,116,334
      UK POP: 59,647,790

      US Area: 9,629,091 sq km
      UK Area: 244,820 sq km

      Sorry...we are talking about two completely different sports. I respect the UK, and actually have little problem with cctv in public places. However I also support our right to bear arms. Criminals tend not to register or legally obtain s, or apply for carry permits. ;)

      Cant compare apples and oranges.

    2. Re:Public access to CCTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you must concede that with so many more guns in the country, it is that much easier for criminals to acquire guns and use them to kill people? why am I talking about this? public wireless net is cool!

    3. Re:Public access to CCTV by slipgun · · Score: 1

      Actually nobody in the UK (apart from the criminals) does anything but enthusiastically support the CCTV systems

      I don't support them (at least not to this extent), and I'm in the UK. Does that make me a criminal? I hate being watched wherever I go. By all means put them in car parks and on private property, but other than that there should be serious restrictions on where the police can put them. (And it's nice to see that this is finally starting to happen with those damned gatso cameras).

      Oh, and I also think the gun laws in the UK don't work, and have prevented many people from enjoying a legitimate hobby, while actually contributing to an increase in crime. Doesn't look as though we agree on much, does it? :-)

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    4. Re:Public access to CCTV by neocon · · Score: 1

      You would think so, but that would ignore the fact that since guns were completely banned in England, their rate of gun crime has gone up drastically -- see this article for more.

      You should also keep in mind that the rate of violent crime in London is now substantially higher than, for example, New York.

  47. MODERATE THE PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I regularly get asked what a "gumbie" is by my American friends. Remember the parent article next time an Englishman says to you "I appear to have locked myself out of my hotel room. Do you happen to have a gumby on your person I may use?"

  48. What's the big deal by 00_NOP · · Score: 2, Informative

    We already have public access wireless in the UK - look at this for instance.

    And this is running at a faster rate!

  49. Re:Blair sold the British Ass to Bill Gates .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blair is Campbells b1tch, not the Queens, just watch Paxman.

  50. You can already by infractor · · Score: 1

    Go to the BBC website and look at their jam cams, these are police cctv cameras.

    see here!

  51. Free Wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Then there are all the initiatives to setup free access WLANs:

    http://www.bawia.org/wirelessnets.html

  52. Higher costs offset by other savings by lww · · Score: 1

    You'd save money on lots of other expenses we normally incur here:

    * Steaks, Hamburgers, other beef products
    * Football/Baseball/Hockey Tickets
    * Dental care
    * DirectTV subscription
    * Ammo
    * Starbucks

    Hmm, it looks like I might save hundreds a month!

  53. LOCAL Area Network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that be more like a MAN (Metropolitan) or WAN (Wide Area Network)? Didn't read the article, so I don't know if it's for a city or the whole UK, but it seems like it's definitely NOT a LAN.

    tmegapscm

  54. CCTV in the UK is not run by the police by Tim+Ward · · Score: 2

    serious restrictions on where the police can put them

    The police don't put them anywhere.

    Not here, in Cambridge, anyway - it's run by the local council under democratic control, which means me and 41 other councillors. I can assure you that we get endless requests for extensions to the system and have not had a single complaint except where the system has failed to catch a criminal.

    Sure, the council-employed operators cooperate with the police, but the police don't get to see anything that the council employees don't think they're entitled to according to the rules. For example, there needs to be a reasonable certainty that there is something serious in progress right now before the privacy screening can be turned off.

    1. Re:CCTV in the UK is not run by the police by slipgun · · Score: 1

      I can assure you that we get endless requests for extensions to the system and have not had a single complaint except where the system has failed to catch a criminal.

      Hmm... it may be because many people like having cameras, or it may be that you have lots of people who don't like them, but don't feel strongly enough about it to say so. Myself, I don't see that much of a problem at the moment... I just don't trust the authorities enough to only put them where they're needed. Surely putting more policemen on the street (diverting them from the motorways, maybe) would be a better solution?

      Just out of interest, what party are you a member of?

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    2. Re:CCTV in the UK is not run by the police by Tim+Ward · · Score: 2

      I just don't trust the authorities enough to only put them where they're needed

      I can assure you that like most other things local authorities do there is nowhere near enough money available to put cameras everywhere they are needed, and anyone who wasted precious resources putting a camera where it wasn't needed would be in trouble. With such a long backlog of requests for cameras where they are needed it is inconceivable that we'd put one somewhere it wasn't needed.

      Surely putting more policemen on the street (diverting them from the motorways, maybe) would be a better solution?

      I'm too lazy to look up the figures just right now, but it'll be something like a choice between one policeman, who can only be in one place at a time, for only eight hours a day, with no automatic recording for evidence of what his eyes see, or about eight cameras for the same money being monitored 24/7 and recording 24/7.

      Just out of interest, what party are you a member of?

      Lib Dem, but that doesn't make any difference to CCTV policy which is supported locally by all parties.

  55. BT's pre-emtive strike by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

    BT are simply trying to squash the free-Wireless networks springing up all across the UK. High-speed, free internet without going through the local loop? As if BT would ignore it.

    You'll probably see them moving to make public wireless illegal soon, or at least to difficult to do properly.

    Now is the most important time to setup a wireless network in your local community! Or join an existing one!

  56. LEAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called LEAP - look into it.

  57. Wireless in AU by r3v3ng · · Score: 1

    An Australian ISP (Alphalink) was just awarded a Carrier Licence to undertake a similar programme in Australia - although they are only going to be deploying in two site with more to come depeneding on interest.

    I hope telstra doesn;'t follow - if their performance in ADSL is anything to go by, their 802.11x performance will be flapping every 10 minutes!

  58. How is this different to a cybercafe currently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all :)