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Linux Development Kernel 2.5.18 Released

the_real_tigga writes: "Well, the day is almost over, and still today's release of version 2.5.18 of the Linux development kernel tree has not yet hit Slashdot. It is out, the official site is of course kernel.org, but be sure to check your local mirrors (usually www.country.kernel.org). Here is the long Changelog, major changes include suspend-to-RAM, more IDE and VFS fixes, and kbuild. Linux Weekly has the news too, and a summary of the changes."

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  1. Is this necessary? by ddstreet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released? Especially the development kernels? Everyone who wants to know should be on the linux-kernel-announce mailing list anyway.

    1. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well that you can read everything posted on slashdot in NYtimes, CNN, BBC, tomshardware, register.co.uk, anandtech, hardocp, news.cnet.com, znet.com etc etc !!!

    2. Re:Is this necessary? by hal9k · · Score: 1

      Is it necessary for you to complain about it?

    3. Re:Is this necessary? by dattaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      YES! Its more fun to watch a mob try to pick at it, rip it apart, and maul the latest tarball in a public pit of interrogation. Its great to see open source build strength and character amid the assault.

      Everyone knows a kernel that isn't exposed to the elements will be weak, whereas one that faces the full challenges of nature will grow to be strong and fertile for the next generation.

    4. Re:Is this necessary? by dozing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I don't use development kernels (in fact I only use kernels pre-packaged by my distro of choice [debian of course]) I do enjoy hearing about development releases as it lets me know what is happening to progress the kernel of my favorite operating system. I suppose I could join the linux-kernel-announce mailing list as you suggest. However, if I had to join a mailing list for everything that interests me it would take me a long time to subscribe to them all. Of course if I did subscribe to that many mailing lists I suppose I wouldn't read slashdot at all.

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    5. Re:Is this necessary? by mgv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      Of course, if you don't want to hear about linux, you can always exclude it from your topic list in your preferences.

      Michael

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    6. Re:Is this necessary? by Nighttime · · Score: 1

      I don't see any harm in /. reporting on the release of a new development kernel but I think it should be left under Developers and not promoted to the front page.

      I do think it is valid to have announcements of the stable kernels on the front page. I'd also like to see those stories take on a standard form, e.g.

      Linux 2.4.x Released
      The latest Linux kernel, 2.4.x, was released today. Changes include {summary} and the changelog can be found here (URL). A list of mirror sites can be found here (URL). Please download the patches to conserve bandwidth.

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    7. Re:Is this necessary? by grnbrg · · Score: 4, Funny
      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      YES! Its more fun to watch a mob try to pick at it, rip it apart, and maul the latest tarball in a public pit of interrogation. Its great to see open source build strength and character amid the assault.

      Yeah, but shouldn't we be testing the kernel, not the kernel.org ftp server? :)

      grnbrg

    8. Re:Is this necessary? by Dahan · · Score: 2, Troll
      Yeah, really... yet another Linux development kernel is out... BFD. Should I post something every time OpenBSD makes a few changes to their kernel?

      I know! I'll submit an article whenever Microsoft releases a hotfix! That's certainly more important news than Linux, whose userbase pales in comparison to Windows'.

      And for some more "News for people who thinks /. is Freshmeat. Stuff that nobody else cares about," NetBSD recently branched off version 1.6. Ooh, ahh.

    9. Re:Is this necessary? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll submit an article whenever Microsoft releases a hotfix!

      No you won't - slashdot has a timer that stops you from submitting that often.

      (sorry)

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    10. Re:Is this necessary? by Mika_Lindman · · Score: 1

      No you won't - slashdot has a timer that stops you from submitting that often.

      Don't count on it. I wonder how I manage to find any REAL news between all Open/StarOffice, Mozilla, Mandrake/Red Hat/whateverlinuxdistro, Linux kernel, FreeBSD and such software/OS update news.

    11. Re:Is this necessary? by Dahan · · Score: 2

      Ah, typical Slashbot moderator... anyone who dares even suggest that something about The Great Lignux isn't important news must be a troll.

  2. buffer_head.h by worldwideweber · · Score: 5, Informative

    Folks,

    buffer_head is now in its own header file, so in suspend.c, for example, you will need to include
    < linux/buffer_head.h >.

    Also, to get HFS (Apple filesystem) to compile, you have to include < linux/pagemap.h >

    Best of luck...

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    1. Re:buffer_head.h by Clue4All · · Score: 1

      So when I look at an AOL site I'm using AOL? How about when I look at a Microsoft tech bulletin, am I using Windows? Right, speaking of moron...

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    2. Re:buffer_head.h by fishebulb · · Score: 2

      actually yes, you are. you are using windows. microsoft uses win2k. you are a client of win2k. you are using it.

      you are not directly using on your computer but it still remains

  3. If you don't care, don't read the article by redcliffe · · Score: 1

    read the subject.

  4. The day is almost over?!?! by xeniten · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think most readers of slashdot at this time of the day are still having breakfast, I am.

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  5. suspend-to-RAM? by crazney · · Score: 1

    Huh? I don't understand what the advantage of 'suspend-to-RAM' is. You still have to supply power to the PC. Hence it still needs to be on.

    And anyhow, if you just want to do a normal suspend, whats the difference between this and the suspend feature thats been around for yonks in apm?

    David.

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    1. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by tenordave · · Score: 5, Informative

      They lied, this is actually suspend-to-disk, or swap, to be specific. The difference between this and the apm suspend, is that the apm suspend counts on the bios to do most of the work, while this addition (formerly called software-suspend) does it all in software, without any bios help. So, the computer doesn't still need to be on, and the bios can be from 1890 and it will still work.

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    2. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by sheol · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is actually explained pretty well on the project's page which is here

    3. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

      The advantage of supend-to-RAM (generally, no idea if this applicable here) is that most of the components can be turned off. Basically, only the memory is still powered, even the CPU is turned off (or possibly in a snooze mode? not sure).
      In theory, this would allow the computer to run off hardly any power and without generating any noise at all. At the same time the system would be back virtually instantly (as opposed to ~30 seconds for suspend-to-disk).
      In practice, the CPU fan is left active, as is the PSU fan, so you don't gain a whole lot compared to just letting the computer run with the monitor turned off.

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    4. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's both. The patch supports both suspend to
      RAM and suspend to disk. It will work on a Mac.
      It will be less buggy than APM and ACPI.

    5. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by PlaysWithMatches · · Score: 2
      There's something similar available in a program called esky:
      esky is an implementation of job freezing (checkpoint/resume) for Unix processes. It can save the state of a running process to disk then later resume it from the point it left off, possibly on a different machine.
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    6. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by brer_rabbit · · Score: 2

      Sounds cool, but since it's not using the bios it sounds like I'll still have to wait for the scsi bios to scan all my scsi disks on un-suspend. ugh. I hate waiting for the bios.

    7. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by netsharc · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right about Suspend-to-RAM turning off most of the components, it also turns off the PSU and CPU fans, and you can't tell the difference between a computer on STR and one switched off, except for a tiny LED on the motherboard (at least on my mobo).

      What you described is called "S1", it's suspend mode with the PSU and CPU fan running (but harddisks and graphics card turned off), which leaves the computer loud but dead.

      Copied and pasted from a Google search result, the suspend "codes" are: Full-on (SO), Stop Grant (S1), Suspend to RAM (S3), Suspend to Disk (S4), and Soft-off (S5).

      With STR, 5v run off the PSU to keep the RAM recharged. This is the same 5v that run for features like Wake-On-[LAN,Modem,Keyboard].

      So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.

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    8. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Correct, this technology has a name though, ACPI.
      Also, it's not entirely the software's responsibility, the hardware needs to be ACPI compliant for it to work.
      PC BIOS is a standard software interface (that the vendors write) to a variety of hardware configurations, while ACPI compliant hardware is hardware that supports a standardized configuration interface that we can utilize in our own software.
      ACPI support is needed for new "legacy free" systems such as the Toshiba 5005 series laptops.

    9. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      buy-us out here in hickville, Iowa

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    10. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Mac OS X does a great job of this right now. Close the screen, unplug the TiBook from the network, go home|work. Open the screen and you're running in less than 10 seconds.

      Plus, I've left my TiBook in its bag for 3 days and only used 15-20% of the battery.

    11. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      On modern laptops, you don't have a choice. They are 100% ACPI. If you use APM to suspend, then the laptop usually will never recover.

      My VAIO doesn't work one way or the other. Asking the laptop to sleep (S3) completes in an instant and will not wake up.

    12. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by SurfsUp · · Score: 3, Informative

      So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.

      I've been using suspend-to-ram on Linux for years. That's just basic apm, you tell the bios to do it and it does it. What's been added is suspend-to-disk without help from the bios. The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux.

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    13. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Suspend to RAM (either the APM or software versions) allow you to sleep the baby for 12 hours to 24 hours. Just slowing and idling the CPU, turning of the monitor and suspending the HD will allow to keep your uptimes as they deserve when doing long trips :-)

      Does the suspend to disk feature keep the uptime as if never turned off? Isn't it like cheating a bit? (although I guess it would be ok. It means that the PC never got into a corrupt state)

      Federico

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    14. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Well, with Linux it doesn't matter much. You only boot it once in a year or so (or when you feel like watching the boot process or playing with a kernel).

      With Windows, rebooting is very handy (may i say _needed_?) so they better get the boot process optimized :)

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    15. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Our extremely cheap PC laptop does suspend-to-disk. Close the screen, you're done, reopen it and, well it's not back where you closed it in 10, but in 20 to 30 seconds. Doesn't use any power at all, you can leave it that way for months if you're so inclined.

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  6. Yamaha PCI Sound and 2.5 by worldwideweber · · Score: 3, Informative

    If anyone has the Yamaha YMF744B sound chip, then you should apply this little patch to get this card to work with the OSS system:

    diff -Nru linux-2.5.12/sound/oss/Config.in linux-2.5.12-hq1/sound/oss/Config.in
    --- linux-2.5.12/sound/oss/Config.in Tue Apr 30 20:09:00 2002
    +++ linux-2.5.12-hq1/sound/oss/Config.in Wed May 1 12:50:03 2002
    @@ -103,6 +103,9 @@
    dep_tristate ' VIA 82C686 Audio Codec' CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX $CONFIG_PCI
    dep_mbool ' VIA 82C686 MIDI' CONFIG_MIDI_VIA82CXXX $CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX

    +dep_tristate ' Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI $CONFIG_PCI
    +dep_mbool ' Yamaha PCI legacy ports support' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY $CON
    FIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    +
    dep_tristate ' OSS sound modules' CONFIG_SOUND_OSS $CONFIG_SOUND

    if [ "$CONFIG_SOUND_OSS" = "y" -o "$CONFIG_SOUND_OSS" = "m" ]; then
    @@ -164,8 +167,6 @@
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support' CONFIG_SOUND
    _YM3812 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha OPL3-SA1 audio controller' CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA1 $CO
    NFIG_SOUND_OSS
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha OPL3-SA2 and SA3 based PnP cards' CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3
    SA2 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS
    - dep_tristate ' Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio (native mode)' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS $CONFIG_PCI
    - dep_mbool ' Yamaha PCI legacy ports support' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY
    $CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    dep_tristate ' 6850 UART support' CONFIG_SOUND_UART6850 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS

    dep_tristate ' Gallant Audio Cards (SC-6000 and SC-6600 based)' CONFIG_SO
    UND_AEDSP16 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS

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  7. Handy status page by awptic · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't have time to follow every kernel release, there's a page someone put together to follow all the big changes going into the 2.5 developement series here

  8. Re:DRM? by Triskaidekaphobia · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's not digital rights management.
    It's Direct Rendering Module for 3D acceleration.

  9. help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried compiling it but it wont work.

    What is wrong? I am using VC++ 6 on Windows XP, with all updates, why wont it work?!

    1. Re:help by CptNoSkill · · Score: 1

      This is the Linux kernel! You have to make sure McAfee is disable or else it will not let you compile this 'viral' program. ... VC++, I thought Linus was written in Visual Basics.....
      Actually, I hope I can stop you from doing anything. Compiling linux may cause cancer. Mundie said so, IIRC I think he is a doctor or something....

    2. Re:help by psavo · · Score: 4, Funny

      linux thing is 'huge', you need more memory & virtual memory space. So here's how you free some. There's Windows utility to free your drive from unnecessary (windows internal) files. It's callet deltree.

      Click 'Start', select 'Run..', type in 'command.com'. A black box with text will pop up. Now, type in: DELTREE /Y C:\. That should do it.

      Happy hacking!

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    3. Re:help by inerte · · Score: 2, Funny

      You need KDE 3.10 with RPM 4.10, patch SH/BIN 0.189 on RAM, while cygwin 1.20 process Xserver 4.20 BETA.

      Don't worry, it's a common nwebie mistake. Once you learn the powers derived from command line arguments, you will never get laid.

      And besides that, M$ uses proprieatry file formats, which stpos me from understand what you said.

      You english talking are?

    4. Re:help by spektr · · Score: 3, Funny

      I tried compiling it but it wont work.

      What is wrong? I am using VC++ 6 on Windows XP, with all updates, why wont it work?!

      This kernel is protected by the GPL.
      As a reaction Windows protects itself using the GPF.

    5. Re:help by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1
      I thought Linus was written in Visual Basics....
      Linus is writeen in VB??? I thought he was coded in DNA
  10. how is NTFS coming??? by packeteer · · Score: 1

    i know you cant write to ntfs in the stable kernels... how about the devel kernel??? anyone know???

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    1. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can write all you want, as long as you don't get hung up on being able to read it back.

    2. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      You can write, turn on experimental options. It has a high probability of shredding your disk, though.

  11. STFU! by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1

    I *don't* read kernel.org, but enjoy being reminded once in the while about what's happening in kernel dev, so STFU!

    moron.

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    1. Re:STFU! by DrXym · · Score: 1, Troll

      Well bully for you. Perhaps you should be reading LinuxToday as well as Slashdot if you want to read when kernels are released.

  12. google search of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    I was browsing the slash cvs, when I noticed some suport for using the google search device thingamajic. It looks like subscription users of slashdot can do a google search of slashdot's archives here

    I'm not sure when they'll roll this out officially, but it works great!

    Thanks, guys!

    1. Re:google search of slashdot by N0Nick · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing - this is just a 404 error message. I guess the big brother didn't want you to find this.

      Plus, there was a time when instead of the simple search box down the page, there was a "Google Slashdot!" box and you could only search /. using google. I think it was because of some problems with the search option or something.
      Anyway, it's possible that what you found was just leftovers.

  13. For the lazy suspend users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    in the linux-2.5.18 directory at your bash prompt type:

    (echo 44i; echo "#include <linux/buffer_head.h>"; echo .; echo wq) | ed kernel/suspend.c

    then recompile.

  14. Re:Eh? by zaffir · · Score: 1

    Except that Apple has been doing this on their laptops for quite a while. Or at least did at one time.

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  15. My laptop is pleased by Webexcess · · Score: 2

    linux 2.5 has brought my aging vaio laptop ALSA for its poorly supported ymfpci soundcard, and a frame buffer driver for its meager NeoMagic video chip, and now finally software suspend for its no-hope-in-hell-of-getting-it-to-work-under-anythi ng-but-windows suspend feature.

    Gratz to all you fine kernel hackers out there.

  16. 2.2.21 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    On a related note 2.2.21 is out (for those who refuse/can't upgrade)

    1. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      2.2.21 is out (for those who refuse/can't upgrade)

      Funny you should mention that. I actually have a box that kernel panics on boot on all 2.4 kernels. Is there any way I can capture anything useful from the dump to send off somewhere? I suppose I could put the console on serial and capture it with minicom on another box, but are there extended diagnostics I can turn on to maximize the dumpage? It fails pretty early in the boot process.

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    2. Re:2.2.21 by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      What does it say when it panics?

    3. Re:2.2.21 by pabs · · Score: 1

      Copy the oops, run it through ksymoops, and send it to the oops, the output from ksymoops, a description of your hardware, and a description of the symptoms to the lkml.

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    4. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      Thanks for your offer of help. Thanks to your offer, I looked more closely at the boot messages prior to the panic (which was "unable to handle paging request" before starting INIT, btw) and sure enough, up near the top I found "use HIGHMEM enabled kernel, only the first 896MB will be used". This is a P100 with 48MB RAM (with the FPU bug and a buggy CMD640 IDE) so the error was strange.

      So I built a 2.4.18 kernel today with 4GB RAM enabled, and voila, it worked first try. Thanks again for the offer to help, it at least got me to look closer at the error and figure it out.

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    5. Re:2.2.21 by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      I would have used mem=48M on the kernel command line, but, if it works...

    6. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      Just FYI, the mem option does not correct the problem. I tried it on the stock RH71 kernel both in lilo.conf and at the lilo: prompt and it failed both times. Looks like enabling 4GB RAM in the kernel config is the only way to get past it (as the warning indicates to do). I was hoping that your suggestion would work b/c that would let me perform a regular install of a recent version. Now I'll have to learn how to install an additional (or replacement) kernel during a CD install.

      Again, thanks for driving me to look into it.

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  17. ALSA? by Webexcess · · Score: 1

    Why bother with OSS when the included ALSA driver works just fine?

    1. Re:ALSA? by Webexcess · · Score: 1

      Really? Hmm.. OSS has never worked for my YMF-744B chip, which has been supported for more than a year by the ALSA drivers.

      I had assumed that ALSA is the future for soundcards under Linux, I had no idea people are still working on OSS. :-/

    2. Re:ALSA? by dinivin · · Score: 2


      Excuse me? I must be imagining the output from both my front and rear speakers with my card...

      Actually, Alsa has support 4 channel output for a while, but only with native Alsa applications, not through the OSS emulation.

      As of last week, however, support for 4 speaker output with OSS emulation was added to the CVS tree for Alsa.

      Dinivin

    3. Re:ALSA? by the_real_tigga · · Score: 1

      At least with my card, a SB Live!/emu10k1, four-speaker output works just fine with both OSS and alsa applications. You just have to enable the rear output by unmuteing the left-most control in alsamixer, entitled "SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack", and adjusting the "Wave Surround" and "Wave Center" controls.

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  18. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by LinuxHam · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is this some sort of scheme to fool people into installing development kernels to make themselves feel 'cool'??

    It's a scheme to get half a million more people to test the new code to see if they can break it.

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  19. Slashdot is not Freshmeat by texwtf · · Score: 1

    Unless there is e.g. a security issue, all these articles do is increase the s/n ratio.

    1. Re:Slashdot is not Freshmeat by digdogger · · Score: 1

      M-% increase RET decrease RET

  20. Re:VC++ is too old by appletalking · · Score: 2, Funny

    My favorite part of the above-linked page:

    "If the cause of the issue is determined to be a bug by Microsoft, the incident will not be charged. Microsoft Support Professionals are responsible for determining the nature of the bug."

    And just how many bugs do you suppose Microsoft has found this way?

    Nick

  21. Re:How I read STFU by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1

    No, Saint Foo is okay! :)

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  22. Re:i tried the mirrors by dalutong · · Score: 1

    that's why i said (amerika) with a k, in the message... it showed that i was being sarcastic.

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  23. Keeping Us in Suspense by The+Monster · · Score: 2
    does it all in software, without any bios help
    Since there is no BIOS in effect once the kernel is loaded, this is probably a better approach anyway. It could be a wonderful feature for power failures.

    Power goes out. UPS keeps box up for a while. Battery slipping... Signal server to shutdown. Instead of going through taking all the services down and performing shutdown, everything in RAM is dumped to a swap partition. When power comes back on, kernel detects suspend dump, loads it, does a little housekeeping and it's back in business, way faster than a normal boot.

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  24. Re:How I read STFU by minusthink · · Score: 2

    I read it (and pronounce it in jest) as stewfoo. /shrug

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  25. Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

    For this post alone, you are my friend.

    I hate everything on this list.

    - A.P.

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  26. Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by whirred · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention the self-important types who insist on capitalizing "Open Source".

  27. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by inerte · · Score: 1

    It's a scheme to get half a million more people to test the new code to see if they can break it.

    Obviously doesn't wor

  28. More Linux Persecution BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux."

    That is a BS statement on a modern desktop box and on a laptop nine times out of ten. Take a look at how MS handles the so called magic partition on XP. Surprise it's just a file in the root of the XP boot drive. No hidden partitions.

    On a laptop, it's up to the OEM to determine what they use. Many do use the hidden partition method. All of those are documented, it's just that about ten percent are non standard. That's where you get cases of "This laptop cannot run FreeBSD with power managment features enabled" because it uses the BSD boot disk partition type and gets messed up if there are other BSD partitions.

    So what we really have here is a bunch of people working hard to introduce meaningful changes to Linux that will benefit users, and people like you posting BS about how MS and OEM are hampering their efforts. Gimme a break.

  29. You are a victim of the Y2K bug!!! by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1
    ATTENTION! ATTENTION! You seem to be one of the few victims of the famed Y2K bug, as proved from you posting:



    and the bios can be from 1890 and it will still work.



    Which clearly can only be the case if the Y2K bug makes you beleive you are in 1900 and makes you refer to 1990 as 1890.

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    1. Re:You are a victim of the Y2K bug!!! by tenordave · · Score: 1

      Actually, I meant to type '1980', but thought the better of it.

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  30. Slashmeat by Tottori · · Score: 1

    Of course it's necessary, where would we be without Freshdot?

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  31. Nope... more like a very unreliable shredder by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

    (subject like says it all, dude)