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Pledge of Allegiance Ruled Unconstitutional

VUSE g-EE-k and entirely too many other people wrote in about an Appeals Court decision holding that the Pledge of Allegiance, as recited in its current form in various public schools (often by law), is unconstitutional. The court's decision (PDF) is available.

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  1. Re:$$, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How are we going to pay you if you win?

  2. Pushing monotheism by totallygeek · · Score: 4, Funny
    This can be fixed by changing it to

    One nation, under G[g]od(s)*, indivisible...

    * or under no devine rule


    I don't see what the fuss is. I doubt seriously that all Christians or even monotheistic theologists agree on all tenants of what God is. So, what Eisenhower thought God was and what he expected "his" nation to envision shouldn't be any different than our money mentioning "In God We Trust". I don't see too many people giving up money because of the statement on the bills and coins.

  3. An atheist's point of view. by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Funny

    As an atheist, all I can say about this ruling is "Thank God!"

    ;)

    1. Re:An atheist's point of view. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Amen ;)

  4. How about by H1r0Pr0tag0n1st · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...One nation, Under the sky in which may dwell a deity, If you happen to belive in that, or not. Indivisable, exept for those of us who have nothing better to do than file stupid lawsuits and bicker about unimportant BS. With liberty and justice, for those who can afford it and don't piss off John Ashcroft.

    Please take this as the joke it is. Because surely if I can't laugh about this I'm going to cry.

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  5. Not a problem... by sterno · · Score: 5, Funny

    US currency says "In God We Trust". Now, if that means you don't believe in God, it simply translated to, "Trust No One". Perhaps an even better motto when dealing with large piles of cash :)

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    1. Re:Not a problem... by jafac · · Score: 3, Funny

      ok - you'll shortly be receiving dozens of emails with the subject "Make money at home fast!"

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  6. Terrible News by leodegan · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is terrible news. The Constitution gives us freedom of God, not freedom from God. Our country is very much based on religious ideals and principles. This movement can only lead to gutting the very heart of our country out. If people do not like the religious ideals that this country is based on are free to leave, and I would encourage them to do so.

  7. You can still say it by guanxi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure nobody will stop you from saying "under God" if you want. The point is, the government has no business coercing people to say it who don't want to.

    OTOH, the point someone made about currency is interesting. Maybe we should change it to, "In Greenspan We Trust", or more perhaps more accurately "On Friedman We Rely" or "From Soros We Beg Mercifulness", or "We Sure Don't Trust Those Guys at Andersen Anymore".

  8. One nation, under Satan by cpeterso · · Score: 3, Funny


    What if the phrase was changed to "one nation, under Satan"? Would anyone be offended? just maybe..

    1. Re:One nation, under Satan by tshak · · Score: 4, Funny

      It'd probably be a more accurate clause.

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  9. Re:As reported on the better site... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Funny
    Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, shmeumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis!

    if you say it loud enough you'll always sound precanoconiosis....

  10. Re:It is such a very sad day... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Funny
    Before the "liberation" you talk about, women couldn't vote, own things, have an education, go out after dark, have a career, say no to their husbands, or generally live how they wanted. Before the "good old days" minorities couldn't buy things, get an education, be taught to read, choose their own religion, vote, co-exisit with whites, marry or date whites, walk down the street without fear of being killed for no reason. Sexual minorities were as a matter of policy imprisoned, beaten, labotimized, institutionalized, killed, executed, and generally treated like subhumans.

    Watch your step .. you might get the Family Values folks sexually aroused.

  11. Re:Please note that . . . Re:$$, too by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
    "In God We Trust" was added to US currency in the 1950s, a few years after the Pledge of Allegiance was amended.
    Actually, it's a typo. The real phrase is "In gold we trust".
  12. Re:Excellent by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
    As an atheist myself, I always felt uncomfortable with The Pledge.
    Use Mr Clean, then.
  13. Here goes... by kaoshin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I pledge alliegance to the flag
    Of the united states of capitalism
    Who screw the public
    As much as they can
    One nation
    Under God
    Except in school
    It's impermissible
    For great justice

  14. I'd like to suggest by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny
    "One Nation Under Greyfox"

    Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? I'll need the reins of power turned over to me by next tuesday, though...

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  15. Re:As reported on the better site... by Chemical · · Score: 3, Funny
    Communists didn't believe in God so if we made everybody pledge "under God" then communism would go away.

    And it worked!

    Thank you Jebus!

  16. I know what they should change it to by YourFavoriteBandSux · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should just change "Under God" with "You're sooo good-lookin'". :)

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  17. Re:thoughts On Eisenhower's "fault" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why is killing people unacceptable? Your foolish law restricting my freedom to remove simple obstacles is so unconstitutional. I find that murder law very limiting to my freedoms.

  18. Re:It'd be fairly easy to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    But the appeals court said that an atheist or a holder of certain non-Judeo-Christian beliefs could see it as an attempt to "enforce a 'religious orthodoxy' of monotheism."

    Hail to the Gods! Suck my dick, Christians!

  19. Pledge Unconstitutional, Talk Show Host Explodes by tenzig_112 · · Score: 3, Funny
    The following came from a story at Ridiculopathy.com.


    RUSSELL, KANSAS- On Wednesday, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the current form of the Pledge of Allegiance, with its "one nation under God" line, blurs the separation of church and state and is therefore Unconstitutional. According to authorities, this event lead radio talk show host John McJay to literally explode while on the air during his afternoon drive shift on KQWE 1280AM.


    During the one o'clock hour, McJay ranted about the current situation in Israel and the West Bank. Later on, more news about the Worldcom debacle became more proof that "the world is going to hell, if it isn't there already." By the time news of the ruling broke, it was too late. McJay's faithful audience listened impotently as their host gasped for breath.


    "9/11 ... Enron...Steroids in Baseball ... Tag outlawed ... Worldcom ... [explosive sound*]"


    * While the exact sound of McJay's incendiary demise is a matter of debate among his fans, most described it as a something like a "wet thud."


    McJay is survived by two ex-wives, three ex-children, half a dozen ex-program-directors, and several thousand avid fans.


    In truth, the court decision is pretty much meaningless since it will not go into effect until it survives several rounds of appeals and the Supreme Court has already made it clear that it doesn't see a problem with the current Pledge. Of course, that wasn't enough to save poor John McJay.


    Immediately after the ruling, several dozen members of Congress assembled on the Capital steps to denounce the decision. After the camera crews had settled into position, they loudly recited the unconstitutional Pledge, sang the national anthem, and beat their breasts until finally soiling their boxers with red, white, and blue ejaculate.


    "It's a terrible kind of cynicism that would accuse us of grandstanding today," said Representative J.D. Hayworth of Arizona as he wrapped a replica of the 9/11 flag around his ample bosom. "While it may be true that we're all up for reelection this fall and this may seem like a softball issue, we're taking a taxpayer-funded break to pose for photos and issue soundbites for you, the American people. Oh, I almost forgot to mention 9/11. 9/11, everybody!"


    After his court victory, renowned atheist Michael A. Newdow told reporters that the ruling was "a step forward for civil liberties in America."


    Utah Senator Orrin Hatch admitted that the situation caught him off guard. "Civil liberties? I thought we got rid of that crap when we passed the Patriot Act."


    Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee reminded his constituents that Constitutional rights work both ways. "Freedom of religion gives me the right to force my faith on anyone I choose, so long as my faith is popular enough to lend weight to my point of view."


    If the words "under god" feel tacked on, that's because they were, in 1954 to be exact. A proposal to replace the offending line with "One nation under C'Thulhu" has been rejected.


    Already citizens groups and civil libertarians are sitting down at the negotiating table in an attempt to work out a new compromise edition of the Pledge:


    "I pledge my tentative support

    to the woven nationalistic symbol

    of the United States of America.

    One nation, made up of diverse but equally valid groups

    under some sort of Supreme Being- or not, depending on your particular view

    with liberty and justice for most.

    I also preemptively apologize if this offended anyone.