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Watercooling Made Easy
Ronny writes: "'Overclockers are always looking for a better way to keep their processors cooler. If you've found the best heatsink and best fan, but that still isn't cooling your processor enough, you may want to look in to water cooling.' You can build your own water cooling system out of scrap parts such as a radiator from an ATV and a water block made out of a 4" PVC cap. However, if your like myself and have no creative skills whatsoever, then you may be interested in this new water cooling kit that is available on the Internet. The kit includes everything you need to start water cooling your CPU, at a very reasonable price. Full review of the water-cooling kit found at OverclockersClub"
it's YOU'RE, not 'your', dammit!
Smegma.
I hereby claim prior art on a Water Cooled webserver to overcome the slashdot effect!
/.'ed... Think watercooling will be able to put out the fire that's started at the datacenter where that site's hosted? :)
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This looks like a lot of fun. I bet the "not responsible for damage to your equipment" part of their documentation is humongous, but they could probably sum it up with: "Duh!!"
Fit a Pizza-oven to it as well and we'll never need to go out again...
Rich
Kits like these have been around for a while...Do we really need to put up with stories that are just big ads now too?
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My thoughts exactly. Seems this new kit is available on the Internet unlike all the other performance PC gear...
If I had the latest in cpu's, motherboards and graphics cards for my computer I wouldn't need a water cooler cause I'd be drooling all over it.
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I'm not one to begrudge a nice review, but on 1 water cooling kit with nothing special?
:)
The water cooling phenomenon is pretty common right now- I'd love to go on about my current issues around a ground-phase loop (i unplug the pump, the computer reboots) but that isn't relevant.
Now if this was an informative article about a number of different water cooling kits, then yes, I think that would deserve a large posting. (yes, the server is slashdotted already).
However, I'd say this is more like direct marketing. There isn't even a link to the manufacturer's link in the slashdot posting, making it impossible to even review the that.
Water cooling is very expensive- pumps run 40$, blocks run 30$, tubing and fittings run 20$, radiators run 50$......
Anyway... thanks for the direct markting blurb, but i think there are more professional ways to advertise a product
Attempt to disguise an ad I've ever seen. Really, a review for the "best" water cooling thing out there, and "if" you are haiving problems, etc, etc...
Buy a Nintendo DS Lite
....at least have the decency to wait awhile between front-page posts...
Well?
How hot is considered too hot? I'm not overclocking, so I guess I am very likely OK. But how hot is too hot of a 1.3Ghz Celeron? Intel only seems to care about ambient case temp.
Spencer Ogden
Hear! Hear!
(wait... 18, 19, 20)
And what is cooling the water? Whatever it is, take it apart and glue it directly onto the processor. No pesky water intermediate.
Instead of wasting money on a water cooling unit, why don't people just spend that money on a faster processor!?!?!
silly overclockers!
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Macguyver could of made you a heatsink that'll keep your cpu humming on overclock steroids at -50 with some duct-tape and a plastic drinking cup.
I actually bought the $300 system from Innovatek for my gaming rig. It keeps the proc around 32 degrees C. They are kind of expensive and for most people completely over the top useless. In my situation it was perfect because my computer sits in a dead air section of my apt. and just kept recycling the hot air pumping the cpu temp up to about 60....which is too warm for my tastes.
The install hassles for a system like this are too much for most people. You have to drill and clean your case and you have to remove and reinstall all the equipment from it. Then you have to spend the time to connect all the hoses and bleed air out of the system. Then...about 7 hours later (yeah...if you do it right...it can take that long) when you finally boot the PC, you get your just rewards....a nice water cooled system that now is about 10lbs. heavier than it was the day before and has about zero functionality added to it.
Like I said...its a little too much of an ornate system for most people.
Honesty may be the best policy, but apparently by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy.
I built my latest system with one and it's been running like a champ. Dumps a lot of heat into the room though. I recommend them if you're interested in having a quieter system. Especially if you can build your own system, but don't feel up to doing your own water system.
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I mean c'mon - not only is the review that of only one watercooler & not a head-to-head watercooler vs. watercooler reveiw, but there's no real difference between the watercooler and a Volcano 9 heatsink!!
If you're gonna post reviews, from now on, can they at least be something worth reviewing?
Most be a slow Nerds News day, because i don't think this article matters.
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Once, small computers were totally silent. Think of the CBM64, the Mac and others. Even when they got harddrives, it was just a faint whirr in the background. Today, a modern desktop sounds like a passenger plane taking off next to you. In my machine I have five fans and two drives, and that's nothing unusual. At work it's bad enough that I sometimes wear earplugs just to get away from the noise.
Watercooling can help in two ways. First, with a larger, efficient radiator, you don't need a high-rpm fan - and elliminating just one fan does a lot to reduce noise pollution. Second, and for the future, I can envision a water-cooling system that can collect heat from several heat sources in the machine, and cool them all using one radiator and one fan. And when you have that, you could enclose the machine far better than today, getting rid of the noise from the drives as well.
/Janne
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...AMD 1Ghz processors in a span of two weeks trying to overclock them using water cooling. (The UPS is only so fast.) The water dripping on his mobo was an added bonus.
It's cheaper just to pay more for a faster chip, IMHO.
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Is it just me or are do-it-yourself water-cooled PCs just an electrical fire waiting to happen? Unless you have some pretty high grade(expensive) seals, it seems to me the potential for leaks is way too high. I'll definitely think twice before running a partially conductive water through my PC.
when did /. start doing product placement? At the very least, we deserve a disclaimer....
must be having to stretch to meet payroll....
Like im gonna junk the spud gun and the 4 wheeler to cool down the dern CPU thingybob.
Right now i got the 4 wheeler turnin bout 50 fans to beat the friggin heat and the spud gun is launchin empty beer cans a good 150 feet onto the neighbors lawn. Besides what do I need to cool er off for. Unless the Porn is steaming up the computer as much as it does me : )
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Really? Is it ground-breaking? Is it "New"? Is it a blatantly free advertising spoof for a over priced water cooling system?
NO! NO! and YES!
If you want to learn about water cooling, odds are you know of someone who is doing it, or heard about it from a friend, or are at a site which sells the units. This isn't needed on a site like this.
Besides, the systems they sell at these overclocker sites are way over-priced any way.
My cooling system, which I bought the radiator on ebay automotive was brand new, 3 to 4 times the size you will find at a overclocking site and only $23, thats including shipping.
The water pumps are for the most part the same ones used within pond fountains or those fancy worthless desk-top rock fountains, which again can be bought for much less through the proper channels.
My pump is rated over 500+ gallons an hour and again I got it for $26 including shipping.
All in all, my cooling system was about $80.
Go and recruit your goombas somewhere else... were trying to read interesting articles here.
*whew* ok.. rant done...
Right now when our computer fails we say "it crashed" if these things get very popular and they fail what do you say? "my box just got torpedoed"... "i'm sunk" "hardware to wetware conversion" how about "my box has the drip" hahahaha.... OK not that funny, but, whatever...
I have yet to notice a water cooling system for having a (nearly) silent PC. All the ones I seen have been to cool CPU only, mainly to overclock it.
What I'd like is a complete water cooling solution, ie: water cool CPU, GPU, Disk/CD drive, and Case/MB. Thus having NO fans inside at all.
A problem I see with this is condensation, with just CPU cooling u insulate it all so only CPU is exposed to the coolness of the water, so condensation can be controled. But with a water cooling system for all the parts in your box I think this may become more of a problem.
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like, you could have this kinda headline on slashdot every gddamn week. there's at least 20+ kits available, and few(at least several) that sell cases with ready wc stuff.
and even some that will cough up the dough if the block fails(in intended use, correctly installed) and your gfx+mobo gets screwed.
me, i've been watercooling for ~2+ years.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Didn't we see this one a little while ago, thus making it 'redundant'?
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
Won't the water inside the system cause water in the air outside to condensate and drip onto your system? I was told this was the case by my Operations and Maintenance professor in High School.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
The human brain burns, by calculation, about 20 watts of power.
The Pentium 4 does 75 watts. W.T.F.
For cryin' out loud--instead of some water cooling, why don't take advantage of the inferno and add a damn Easy-Bake Oven as an upgrade? I can make some brownies while I'm blowing the brownies out of some fragbait in Unreal Tournament.
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I would like a water cooling system which could cool down HD, Power Supply, Video GPU etc. and be able to put the pump/radiator/fan far away. ;-)
Or don't use radiator/fan, just pump the water from the swimming pool and put it back in so that we start crunching numbers and get an heated swimming pool
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2: ?
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4: Profit!
I realize that the hot side of a peltier device puts out quite a bit of heat which has to be gotten rid of -- is this why people end up resorting to water cooling?
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It's one of the worst kits I ghave seen recently. The waterblock is inefficient, the radiator is too small, and overall it's not worth the money. Just get an slk-800 + vantec tornado for $68 if you want decent value, or the swiftech kit if you want decent performance. Best of all, build one yourself, it's really not much harder than assembling the premade stuff.
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The impeachment request pertains to that of
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Thanks and have a marijuana inspired week!
However, if your like myself and have no creative skills whatsoever...
...or language skills, apparently. The contraction of "you are" is "you're."
So how hard is it to stand by a watercooler anyway? Our boss thinks it is already a problem without you making it "easy".
I think we overclocked overclockersclub
> You can build your own water cooling system out of scrap parts such as a radiator from an ATV
like any motorcycle or ATV parts, this sounds expensive to me.
Why not try an aftermarket automatic transmission cooler like This one at Jegs?
This one is kinda big since its made for race-cars, but I think you could find one at a Napa store for like 30 bucks.
A heater core might be better suited but you would need to adapt to garden-hose sized tubing.
looks pretty ghetto to me, not worth $99! Definately not worth $129 for the POS PSU hehe
Actually, I wouldn'y be surprised if PC noise generation actually peaked around the days of the IBM XT and AT in the mid-80's, and have been steadily delclining since then.
True, we have more motors running inside our CPU cases now than we did when 8-bit processors were king, but those motors just keep getting quieter.
The trend in the late 90's of moving from desktop boxes to mini-towers that can be stowed under a desk, away from the ears, also helps reduce perceived noise levels.
They make a decent (forget overclocking tho, but that wasn't the point there) watercooling system, but why oh why have they make even an okay looking case like the Chieftec/Antec BU with their little addition?
dropped on top of the cabinet will work as well and be hella cheap. just remember to vent the gas every once in a while
Sounds like Yet Another Shitty Design to me.
A good design will have a radiator that is big enough and convention circulation of the water.
The last thing anybody wants is more noise from pumps and fans. That is just schtoooopidttt...
My ASUS_a7v/amd_1.7 gig will crash-to-bios at a CPU temp of 170_F if I don't blast my room AC to 60_F. And THAT'S a MT-box sitting on a floor anti-static mat, with 2-lbs of copper heat-sink and 4-fans. With the room at 60_F the CPU stabilizes at 120_F. It's hell on electricity, but up here in Spokane power comes with the rent (0.01$/kw) ... and screws Bay-Area hot tub lusrs.
Why not use alcohol cooling? It boils at about 80 degrees Celsius, which is cold enough, so you can distill Moonshine with your overclocked CPU...
Betcha such a mod would be popular!
Just spray water from a garden hose into your system every couple of days.
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All these sites ramble about water cooling products and give you warnings about the risk and what you do to your system blah blah blah. If they were to look at the power transmission services, you could see that BIG heat does not get dissipated by water, but in fact by machine oil. The oil is electrically non-conductive but a good thermal conductor. They put this stuff in the transformers right up to the contacts and seal them up. Convection currents take care of moving the liquid around.
I would personally much rather have a liquid that didn't short out my $1000 cpu when the eventual leak springs. Even distilled water (~800MOhms) will get contaminated over time and loose it's insulating properties. Anyone see why we're *not* trying this?
Posted anonymously to reduce my responsibility the first time someone pours used motor oil into their system.
I bought a case from Koolance a couple of weeks ago because my new dual Athlon MP 2000+ was so noisy (I could hear it from everywhere in the house). The high-rpm fans on the CPUs made a lot of noise, and I had to leave the case open because the temperature inside got so high it caused a hard drive to fail after one night of operation (apparently heat makes hard disk failures more likely).
Koolance systems have a large radiator on top of the case, where three large fans blow the air out of the case through it. Accessories include CPU coolers, chipset coolers (for motherboard and graphics card), and hard drive coolers so that you don't need additional fans in your case in addition to the radiator fans and the power supply fans.
I took me several hours to assemble the system (in particular because you have to apply some kind of gap filler to your hard drive's PCB and let it dry - scary at first but apparently quite efficient and innocuous), but I can now say that it was worth it: the machine looks great, is quiet and cold. It's on the expensive side though, about $350 for the case with accessories (2 CPU coolers, 1 drive cooler, 1 second hard drive kit) without a power supply.
The water tank is too small. Whats that like? A cup of water? No wonder it cooled to inefficiently. Also mounting the radiator in the case certainly wouldn't be as good as mounting it outside the case. Think about it.. There is still a lot of heat from all the other stuff in the case. Hard drives, video card, PSU... so really you are absorbing a lot of that heat back into the radiator. If you blow air in, you raise the overall internal temp but cool the radiator. If you blow air out, you don't cool the radiator as well.
I think someone needs to come up with something like a small air conditioner that can mount to the radiator or something to keep it cool. Even an air dehumidifier could fit the bill because it basically is a small AC unit anyway.
Has anyone used long hoses to put the radiator outside the computer room, to avoid heating up the room?
Included in the box, was some very bad instructions. These instructions had no real pictures only diagrams, and the instructions were very hard to follow because the grammar was horrible. I do understand that these instructions were written by someone in Korea, but geez get someone better to translate it :/ Luckily I figured out what goes where, by trial and error.
There's also the Koolance and Sen Fu product lines at Plycon Computers
Those are the ones I knew about. A Google search turned up a whole bunch more. Man, I'm glad I don't subscribe -- ads are unavoidable, it seems.
And the brethren went away edified.
Around the top of this gray hole is a specially designed water proof plug. The plug simply tightens down very hard on the power cable so that no water can escape.
Let's all hope he's mistaken about running water through the power cable.
I poured in about a half a cup of antifreeze to help the algae down, and I also used distilled water.
Well, of course, and you don't want the computer refusing to start on those cold mornings.
Would you PLEASE stop posting this stuff? When you've got an alcohol (preferably gin and dry vermouth, shaken, not stirred) cooled sytem, then I'll be interested.
idea: waterwire: a standardized connection that allows easy plug-type liquid cooling of electronic components.
an implementation idea: two copper cooling blocks that can accept a standard sized cpu heatsink, one for the cpu inside, and one with a pelter block outside, power supply comes from the cpu side and is carried outside the case along with the cooling tubes as a proprietary(waterwire) cable harness(think old airplane tube headphones), internal cpu fan is controlled on command to cool the case air or incase of external unit (pump) failure.
marketing features:
cool looks: high end cpu fans look extremely cool, why hide em?
failsafe: if something outside goes the internal cpu fan automatically activates if not already on
server farms: the proprietary hookup allows hookup to a cooling port connected to a single (large) refrigeration unit.
this idea (C) Carlos Romero 2002
free for anyone to copy, use, and exploit under these conditions,
a: none of my ideas expresed in this slashdot post may be patented under any circumstances
b: proprietary waterwire harness hookup can be copied and standardized for all to use
c: the waterwire name may not be trademarked but may be used for the name of the standardized connection
Anyone thought that it would be cheaper to buy a faster processor than overcocking a cheaper one and buying and expensive cooling system?
Learn about corrosion before you start water cooling your computer: How to bake your CPU
Uhhh, ok, let me get this straight... the article links to a review for a cooling system.
At the bottom of the "review"/ad, it says one of the Cons was: did not meet my cooling requirements...
So the point of this was what, exactly?
If you are trying to market your product, you might want to actually READ the review first...
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Silly question. Why H20? Is there another legal liquid substance that would provide more efficient cooling?
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TechTV had a segment a while back about a submerged liquid cooled system. They placed the mobo and all components in what ammounted to a short, wide fish tank with 2 halves with a small air gap between them. The half with the computer in it was filled with this liquid made by 3M which is apparently completely inert and non-conductive, and can reach sub-zero C temps without freezing. The other half of the box contained a radiator, and was filled with alcohol and dry ice, if i remember correctly. The liquid was pumped through the radiator and into the computer half of the box, with an outlet directly above the CPU, and Athlon sans heatsink, and one to circulate the liquid around the rest of the components. The whole setup was then closed in. A properly sealed version would run without needing new liquid, though theirs was evaporating since the top was not locked down. The dry ice/alcohol would need changing regularly of course. The got the whole system, including CPU temp, down to -30 C, when it stopped working. 3M markets the liquid for cooling super computers. Wonder how fast you could overclock the system like this? They didn't try, although when the turned the pump off, the Athlon started boiling the coolant! Maybe when I have more money than god, or at least CowboyNeal...
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I don't understand; I can't seem to figure out where you put the fish...
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First off, I've posted my experiments with watercooling about a half dozen times on slashdot. It's old. It's been done. Nobody has considered any safety issues whatsoever. I am not an expert, so don't sue me if your machine, home, signifigant other, cat, and car erupt into flames. None of the commerical kits really detail how to do a professional installation. For most people, it is more work than you want to even THINK about. It took me a solid day of testing and another solid day of construction to get my kit installed.
http://www.nyx.net/~smanley/watercool
You need to install a GFCI to protect against a ground loop. If there is a short to ground, this will kill the power instantly. You MUST have one if you connect liquid to a mains supply, as most systems do.
Secondly, pure water is a insulator. Aren't YOU smart. Put it in an average watercooler for 15 minutes and you now have a very good conductor. Hella good, probably. In a few months, even better. Water isn't called the "universal solvent" for anything - it will pick up enough ions to be conductive from just about anything. Hint; you're running it though copper blocks in most cases, and the other surfaces aren't pristine.
There are many other precautions. I've run for almost a year without a problem, but I took my time. I am looking to watercoool my home games machine now, as I believe you can probably get away without any fan on the system whatsoever. The noise reduction IS worth it when the girlfriend gets bitchy that your desk is whining like a supercharged honda when she's trying to sleep - and it's down the hall! Heh.
Other experiments I'm thinking about include using a convection system that might stabilize at mid-50's C with no pump or fans whatsoever.
My $0.02..
..don't panic
...since the pictures are totally dark, and I can't see what I'm looking at, forget it.
Same goes for the rest of the review site. Bad design.
Dang dude, just check news here, better anyway man: ipkonfig.com
In the mainframe world, everybody was very happy when the water cooling era finally ended. Having spent years dealing with the cooling problems of mainframes (bad memories of crawling under a building late at night looking for a leak in a chilled water return line), I am very down on water cooling as a solution. It's more like a problem.
Overclockers are always looking for a better way to keep their processors cooler. If you've found the best heatsink and best fan, but that still isn't cooling your processor enough, you may want to look in to water cooling.
/sarcasm
Really? No way! I've never heard of this cool new technology, please tell me more!
Really, though....hasn't this been done to death, and then some more?
Maybe you're buying your parts from Neiman Marcus, but you can get a great pump (RIO 180, 120gph, which I get a real world 40gph in my water-cooling rig) for about $10, blocks are less than $20, and radiators can be taken off of any wrecked ATV or motorcycle usually for free or just a few bucks.
I remember reading about that system on /. years ago, long before Tech TV got their *** out of their *** and did a review of it.
/. about a week after they show up here? hmmm...
While we're talking about Tech TV, is it just me or do they seem to talk about the interesting topics on
it's commonly known around the overclocking community that the Peltier CPU Cooler you linked to is completely worthless.
Not only does it not cool the CPU, but it actually heats up the CPU because the heat sink is not effective enough dissipate all the heat the peltier creates, so it's no suprise they put that little disclaimer there.
Why not go for some different coolant. There is an easily available chemical called "Galden". It is a nonconductive and nontoxic coolant medium used for high voltage equipment. In a company where I worked, we used it to cool high voltage switches. The switches were mounted in a tank, together with all the necessary electronics, including a standard fan which just happened to be mounted to one PCB. Of course, it run slower in the liquid, but was well cooled :-). None of the PCBs or boards or components were sealed. Just dump you complete mainboard into a tank with Galden in it and it will run very cool. Of course, leave all your drives out.
This will be a very cool PC in a bucket.
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I went with the innovtek system and I am completely happy with it. Me and a co-worker put the whole thing in to the machine in about 2 hours. That includes the necessary Case Mods. The system runs quiet. Only have 2 complaints about the system. The tubing that they give is kinda cheap and it kinks if you don't cut it the exact length, also the radiator is huge. I Know a large radiator improves the cooling, however I have a standard mid-size case and I barely fit the system in.x .html
there is a great review at: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020102/inde
Not if the water cooling the system is at the ambient temperature (room temp). The radiator's purpose is to equalize the temp of the coolant with that of the surrounding environment. Condensation wouldn't be a problem unless you were actively refrigerating the coolant.
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My computers to loud, my computers to loud! Bitch'n and a moaning. Well buy a damn Imac then.
Computers are supposed to make noise, the louder the better. Hell, my damn CPU fan make more noise than a hairdryer. Lets me know the fucker is running. I got 6 fans in my computer, move some fucking air it will. Powered the damn thing up, sucked all the fur off the god damn cat. That's okay, I like my pussy bald anyway.
Dude next door was complaining though, couldn't hear his chain saw. Got a problem with the cops too. The airport down the road keeps calling about the noise...
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