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KDE 3.1 Beta Released
shadow303 writes "KDE 3.1 beta has been released. There are numerous improvements, including tabbed browsing with Konqueror." I still can't say I care for tabbed browsing, but a lot of people swear by it. The new
style/theme looks quite excellent, as do the various improved dialog boxes.
Gnome is only 2.0 so I guess KDE is better right?
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One has to wonder if it is decent or even moral to use KDE these days. Since the 11th of September, we as Americans have had an opportunity to examine ourselves and our core values, and the question must be asked: does KDE fit into these core values, and is it something that ought to be a part of our day-to-day lives as we come to grips with the new reality that has been thrust upon us?
One thing must be understood: KDE is virtually 100% foreign technology. The foundation of KDE is the Qt toolkit, a set of GUI widgets developed by TrollTech, a Norwegian company. Norway, like the rest of Scandanavia and Europe in general, is an extremely socialist country. Socialism is something that Americans decided long ago would not be allowed in our nation, and yet millions of Linux users are downloading it without so much as a second thought. Beyond that, Norway's liberal immigration laws have allowed all sorts of unsavory characters into their nation... including the Muslims with which we are currently at war.
The rest of the KDE intrinsics are developed by primarily European agitators, folks who would not bat an eyelash at knocking down the capitalist foundation upon which our nation has been built. Bashing Microsoft is a popular sport in this forum, but the truth must be told: MSFT is an American company that employs American citizens with American families. Joke all you want about Microsoft employees, but they need to eat just like the rest of us do. For the life of me, I cannot understand why one would eschew Microsoft products in favor of things such as KDE.
Now, MSFT products are not perfect, but the last time I checked, neither was KDE! So in a very real sense, we are talking about choosing the lesser of two evils, and in this case the choice could not be clearer (at least, in the opinion of this patriot.) Using KDE doesn't help this country one bit, but purchasing dutifully from Microsoft helps to ensure our economic vitality (and, by extension, our nation, our military, and our way of life.)
I doubt that Osama bin Laden owns a PC, but if he did, he'd probably be running KDE. Does this make you comfortable? It shouldn't.
how could you not like it? Instead of having to open 5 different windows of Mozilla I have just one and easy access to each (I use E and don't have the option of a taskbar or icons).
;)
I can have Slashdot open, my banking open, and porn (three different ones usually).
Also probably conserves on my short memory usage
Well, in Mozilla, you can set it up so that you can:
a) right-click on a link and instead of open the page in another window, you can open it in another tab.
b) middle click on a link and it will open up the additional page in a tab.
c) type a url in the address bar and instead of pressing ENTER, press CTRL-ENTER and the page will be opened in a tab.
Thus, you have one copy of Mozilla running, but within the browser, a tab for each page that you want to view. No more billions of sessions open in the task bar at the bottom of your UI.
Best of all, you can set your preferences so that Mozilla loads the tabs in the background. A great application of this is: open the Slashdot page. Middle-click on all the "Read more..." links of stories you are interested in. You will have, within your browser, tabs with headings that you can look at, one at a time. Then, you can read each story, close the tab and look at the next and so on.
If you haven't or won't use this feature, force yourself to. You'll never go back.
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I've only used Linux via the GUI for a few months (ya, ya I know...)... but why is there KDE and Gnome? Why are the two not one. The only differences I see between the two are skins, very minor UI functionality, and some utils that are unique to either or. But why can't KDE and Gnome be merged, and allow the end user to customize everything the way they want? And use the utilities they want. I like KDE's appearence, but I hate it's 'feel' when actually doing tasks.
What is so fundamentally different between Gnome and KDE that doesn't allow them to be merged into one project? IMHO that's all that is required to finally get a solid Desktop presence for linux.
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The site provides RPMs for Suse, they can be downloaded from
. 1-beta1/SuSE/i386/8.0/
:-(.
http://download.at.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3
However, when I check the RPMs I get
error: failed dependencies:
libkviewsupport.so.0 is needed by kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0
Any ideas where kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 can be found, rpmfind didn't turn up anything useful. I am using SuSE 8 with a full install of KDE3.03, but this has been updated many times since its initial install as SuSE 7.0.
I did get some components working. The panel is much improved, and support for dual head displays looks much better (the panel can now be configured on a per display basis). However, I couln't convince Konq to display any web page, in tabs or otherwise
the link in the story is mistakenly going to Apple's website
i mean, only Apple users would want to slow down their system with drop shadows, lickable buttons, translucent drop-down menus? I just want to get work done.
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Sorry, that should have read, any idea where libkviewsupport.so.0 can be found, kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0 is the base package.
Kate has been a god send 'round here - Programmers who are just starting out the *NIX way need a editor that behaves kinda-like Windows notepad or other Windows IDE editors, but has cool features, and Kate fits the bill. The code folding works well and the whole package is just a joy to use.
Eventually they all should move to Emacs or VI for better productivity, but for the small, insignificant, time it takes to learn Kate, it's suprisingly productive.
Perhaps Kate will evolve to add the features of Emace, but I hope those features are 'hidden' and don't destroy the easy to learn interface of the curent Kate.
Bit-o-somthing: All out instances of Kate run on one BSD box and are viewed on Windows destops via VNC. It's the same soluton that we use for our clients that want to keep their Windows but use out *NIX apps that we make for them. It makes us both happy; they get to keep Windows Solitare and viruses, and out app is safly running on a real operating system.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
How does it work in KDE/Qt? There were a few screenshots that showed real-look transparency, in menus for example. Through the menu, you could see the windows below it and/or the desktop. Prior to this, with the exception of a hacked X server, the only transparency I've seen is the transparent-to-root-window like with an eterm or gnome-terminal.
Is whoever took this SS using a hacked X server, or does Qt now have it's own display sub system that does rendering for all Qt Windows, including let Qt applications share real a alpha channel with eachother?
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
Yeah, but you're nipping at the heels of us nerds. Why you gotta playa hate?
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
I use tabs a lot on sites like Slashdot -- especially once I figured out how to use 'em fast. By checking a couple of preferences in Mozilla, I can control-click (or right-click and select) any link and have it open in a new tab, behind my current web page.
Usually I scroll down the Slashdot home page, open up a few story links in new tabs without any other interruptions, and keep scrolling. When I'm done, I close that tab and all the stories I wanted to read are loaded and ready.
You can do the same with multiple windows, I suppose, but it's not as compact and the new browser windows usually load over the one you're currently on, not under it.
I'm hoping for some further advances in stability and speed. I'm sick of Konq segfaults from clicking back a few times.
None the less, KDE 3.1 looks sexy!
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CmdrTaco doesn't like tabbed browsing?
I'm truly curious...what's there not to like about it?
Less windows, less clutter, quick access... I'm addicted to it, at least.
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I think that it's official now - anyone using KDE has to surrender the right to complain about Apple's naming of iApps. Kolf????? Hmm...
Yeah I agree. No offense to the KDE artwork people but things need to be improved. Howecome we can't mimic cool, futuristic interfaces like the ones seen in Minority Report? I'd really like to see people stop trying to copy OS X and XP. Let me put my money where my mouth is. Email me at darkness2g@hotmail.com if you want me to get involved with some K artwork and show yall what its all about!
johnfive
Yes you are spoiled.
1) click on one of the links from www.kde-look.org
2) read the 4 line instructions on how to install your newly downloaded theme
3)install it
Whoops, now your KDE is purty.
kojent
I may be spoiled by Mac OS X (ok, ok, I KNOW I'm spoiled by Mac OS X), but I think KDE is still an ugly interface. What's up with that? They could make it purty,,,why don't they?
Apple owns a patent on the "Attractive Eye Candy for the Computationally Illiterate" interface, while Microsoft owns a patent on the "Eternally Broken, Never Secure, but marginally easy to use for a few minutes before it crashes" interface.
Alas, that only leaves the "Relatively Spartant Trimmings, But Rock Solid Performance" interface available to free software developers, so that is what we are stuck with.
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Seriously, though, KDE and Gnome both support themes, so in answer to your question
"They could make it purty,,,why don't they?"
the answer is "Why don't you?" No one knows your aesthetic preferences better than you, and you have all of the tools available to make it as purty, according to whatever those aesthetic preferences may be, as you wish. The KDE folks meanwhile will concentrate on what is important and aesthetic to them, but do not forget that they have thoughtfully made it possible for you to create your own theme, and make KDE as purty as you wish.
Ditto for Gnome, for that matter.
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How is this insightful? Insightful would be examples and suggestions - if you noted specific areas where it needed improvement. Simply saying you think it is ugly, especially when admitting you're biased towards a proprietary interface, should not merit insightful mods. No, this is most definitely a troll.
Some people relentlessly insist on missing the point of open source software: you can contribute. If you have nothing to contribute, then don't complain. Complaining is not contributing. Complaining with specific observations and suggestions could be taken as contributing, in the sense of "constructive criticism". But the parent post is merely criticizing, and badly at that.
Besides, if you don't like the new "Keramik" interface style, then pick a different one. Can you do that on OS X? (BTW, that's an honest question - I won't be buying one any time soon, and haven't had the opportunity to use one, so I don't know). My own personal favorite "look" for KDE is the "Light style, rev. 3", which came built-in with the KDE 3 packages I downloaded for my distribution.
Furthermore, in Galeon you can:
It really, really hurts browsing with something else than Galeon now, I never should have installed it :)
BTW, anyone got a quick fix for getting non-ascii titles to display correctly?
well done ;)
1. website X's story has a link to another website. I "right click-select: open in new tab". Now the two pages that are related are in the same client. This way, when I'm writing a reply I can cross-reference the linked story without having to worry about loosing what I'm writing by using the back/foward button.
Summary: it reduces desktop clutter by allowing me to keep similarly related pages in the same browser instance without requiring back/forward button usage (which causes webpages to forget what you inputed at times).
2. I'm reading an article that spans multiple pages and writing a summary (obviously easier to do if you have the entire article at your finger tips). Without tabbed browsing, I'd have to open multiple windows to avoid the back button which makes the damn flashy thingies reload everytime. If the article is 5 pages long, that makes for a lot of browser windows and a lot of annoying manual window management.
3. Some websites insist on opening new windows to show some piece of information. Personally, I find that "load in new tab" feature priceless for such sites (example: the previews on kde-look.org).
These examples all revolve around situations where multiple windows are annoying and slow me down. Tabbed browsing, is imho an essential evolution in the presentation of webpages-- I would find the web incredibly more annoying without them.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
If you use the keyboard then the problem you describe is a snap -- use alt-tab to get to the mozilla window, then ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedn to move between tabs (Mozilla). Then it shouldn't matter that one is your WM and the other an application.
Anyway, I love tabbed browsing. Being able to group all of my "slashdot reading" in one window is excellent, especially since I have them load in the background and so they're all loaded by the time I get around to reading them! In fact, my brother is by no means a computer expert, and I switched him to Mozilla just by showing him tabs. It's not a small minority who like this feature, believe me...
The Minimize shortcuts!
... they add up.
I open 30 applications at once, and am constantly switching. Usually, I only want one or two windows up at a time, and I'd like the rest minimized.
AFAIK, KDE is the only linux desktop environment that has a "show desktop" (minimize all) shortcut, as well as a minimize one window shortcut. I love those.
And that is the only reason I use kde instead of IceWM. Of course, other people have their important feature, but
I wish, though, that compiling kde was more like compiling the kernel - features could be removed and added. For instance, I don't really care about the file manager in KDE, and I'd do just as well without the space it takes.
In fact, if possible, I'd like to have just a panel and the shortcuts; I need no sound manager, no file manager, and no desktop manager. Wouldn't it be nice if such were possible?
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I'm sorry, but tabs are a feature I always turn off. I mean, I'm not mad they're there, but I tried using them and didn't like them. The basic problem with tabs is that they force you to switch windows at two totally different places on your desktop.
Actually, tabbed browsing is completely logical, given the way the desktop and file manager theme is carried out on modern OS's.
Think about it...
Each tab in your window manager is associated with a running program. You click on Mozilla or Konq, and within that program are more tabs associated with multiple views of data for that program.
It's like expanding a folder in your file manager. Opening up a new window for each new page you want to view is akin to putting all your files in one huge directory. It just makes it harder to locate what you want as the number of files (windows) increases.
Tabbed browsing also decreases resource usage. Instead of having a new window open for each page, you have one window with multiple page views available. The resource usage is constrained to what is necessary to render the page, minimizing all the other widgets and menus normally needed for a complete window for each page.
The tabbed interface can be found in other similar programs, such as GUI text editors (www.ultraedit.com is one of my favorites on the Windows platform). I often have 20 files open at a time, and a dozen web pages. Between those two programs, I'd have 30+ windows open without the tabbed interface. No thanks!
Not to mention how nice tabbed browsing is for reading blogs and newspapers. I go through my favorites: slashdot, cnn, my local newspaper, news.com, etc (incidentally, I have one bookmark that opens up all these pages at once with a single click... thanks to tabbed browsing and the cool bookmarks available in mozilla). Each site I middle-click all the interesting links, stacking up other pages to peruse, without taking my immediate attention away from what I am scanning.
I'm sure eventually you will be able to move the tab row in mozilla/konq to the bottom of the screen, to be closer to where most people have their window manager programs running. It doesn't make much difference to me, as the rest of the menu, bookmarks, and url bar are all located right by the browser tabs. It'd make more sense to drag your window manager bar to the top of the screen, if your UI allows.
"And like that
I'm afraid I can't tell you precisely where your problem is but, it is definitely your configuration that is causing that delay. I have an old PII 300 with a super slow hard drive and KDE 3.0, 2.2 prior to that, Konsole opens in less than 2 seconds with both versions.
/etc/host.conf it should look like this:
/etc/hosts it should *at least* have this:
One very common linux misconfiguration that causes 30 second delays in everything you do is DNS. Most Linux tasks will perform a DNS lookup at some point or another, even Konsole verifies the local system name upon startup. Most people don't have their own DNS server with their hostname on it so, local configuration is important.
Look in the file
order hosts,bind
Then look in
127.0.0.1 yourservername localhost
If your system isn't configured in this way, you have likely found the problem with your application startup speed.
Haven't played with it much yet myself, but look into kget (in the kdenetwork package). If you enable "integration with Konqueror" it also takes over downloads initiated by the browser.
I've only toyed with it a bit, but it appears that it works precisely as you ask, with all of the downloads in one window, at least as far as I can tell at this point.
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Heck, you can do it with Mandrake. Just do urpmi.addmedia -h cooker ftp://your/favorite/cooker/mirror to add Cooker to your update sources. Now, do urpmi --auto-select to upgrade everything except the kernel. You'll need to urpmi kernel separately, then reboot, and voila, you've got the latest beta.
/var partition, or symlink /var/cache/urpmi to somewhere with plenty of room.
Oh, you need to make sure you have a buttload of space on your
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You are missing the point. One of the design goals of the KDE desktop is to, out of the box, look and feel similar enough to Windows that Windows users (the most users on the planet) will be able to use it immediately and possibly win them over after they have had a chance to see how much more it can do. In order to meet this goal, the default configuration is intentionally setup to look and feel like Windows. In the case of KDE 3.1 the target is Windows XP. By default KDE 3.1 looks similar enough to Windows XP to not frighten of the typical Windows user. Furthermore, it is a matter of taste which is very subjective but, many people very much like the Windows XPish interface.
Regardless of your taste though, KDE's appearance is infinitely configurable. You can make it look like ANYTHING you want Windows 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP, Mac OS8, OS X, Solaris CDE, Motif, or any of a few hundred cool and bizarre looks that you have never dreamed of. You can change the colors, fonts, icons, textures, backgrounds, whatever. Or if you don't want any hassle, you can simple download one or more of hundreds of themes that others have already compiled. You might be interested in Mosfet's Liquid which is an OS X mimic, though not so much to draw an Apple lawsuit.
If that's not good enough, you can switch of kwm and replace it with a tabbed window manager that lets you collect any and all of your windows together into tabs. I think pwm is such a manager, though I could be wrong. So really you do have quite a bit of flexibility here.
Your answer is wrong, objprelink is obsolete. See http://objprelink.sourceforge.net/.
Those are alpha 1 screenshots, not the beta. It gives an idea to those of us who havent used a recent KDE version but its not the same as the beta.
The page gives it away itself "Created on: Friday 28 June 2002" nearly two months old matey.
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I still can't say I care for tabbed browsing, but a lot of people swear by it.
Browser tabs are like mouse wheels. They seem pointless at first, but then you get used to them and it's hard to go back. It's a subtle change, but consider how it affects the way you use the GUI: 1.) all web browsing is contained in a single window frame, thus making it easier to mentally seperate from other tasks, 2.) WM taskbars get shuffled, and make it easy to lose track of which windows belong to which applications. Browser tabs stay in the order that web pages were opened are spacially seperate. 3.) When doing heavy web browsing.. ie.) 10 windows open, it's much easier to have all controls at the top of the screen. instead of jumping around.
am i nuts or imagining things b/c i thot at some point soon KDE is gonna move away from using XWindows/XFree/whatever
does anyone know if this is true or should i start taking my medicine again? oh those damn voices are so duplicitous
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I'm curious; what makes Opera's MDI mode better than Mozilla et all's tabbed browsing feature?
Oh, and by the way, is there a keyboard shortcut for changing tabs in mozilla?
I heared the re-enabled prelink in 3.0.3. In idea why, and does it also work in 3.1 beta 1?
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This is really cool. They are following very clear GUI Guidelines (see link above) and they have the Usability team checking that every application follows these guidelines. IMHO Usability (more than Features) is the only major missing link in the GNU/Linux desktop. I am really looking forward to KDE 3.1 ...
Here's a list of all of them:
y /m ozkeylist.html
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibilit
If you have a suggestion, feel free to contribute :)
If you don't, then your annoymous troll on a non kde specific web site will probably be tragically overlooked.
Advanced users are users too!
I think you mean 'Kommunist Desktop Environment'. Look at what the American education system has come to: good, patrioitic Americans can't even deliberately mispell their racial slurs!
(ObModCom: "I'm sure I'll be modded down", etc)
(ObMetaModCom: "By the secret rules of the Slashdot cabal, you now have to mod me up! Haha!")
Selecting where you want the program to start takes a single extra click (Before launching the browser), or a couple of clicks if its already launched.
Letting it automatically barf it up on your single tab doesn't let you group things together as you wish. You could ofcourse tell your window manager: "Start browser windows on desktop 6" to get the same effect as tabbed browsing, but this is crappy (as tabbed browsing is).
You don't have to go 'search for apps', because YOU organized them in a way its easy for you to remmember. My financial app? Its in the financial desktop, ofcourse.