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Netscape 7.0 is Out
MrJones was one of many many users to submit that Netscape has released
Navigator 7.0 unto the world. With their dwindling market share, it'll be interesting to see what affect this has on internet users. But here's hoping it makes a dent.
Argh! Things don't have an affect!
Yes! That guy!
But where is the platform support?
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Some of us have SPARCs on our desk. Or PA-RISC machines. Or RS6k's.
These were all supported with Communicator
NS7 is useless to me till I can run it on these platforms...
--NBVB
Why should/would I use Netscape instead of Mozilla? Not getting enough pop-up windows in my life? Feel the need for a more closed solution?
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
There's no anti-javascript popup ads support. I'm sticking with Mozilla.
Why the quick jump to version 7? Is it just to match AOL v.7 or some other strange reason that my small non-marketing brain can't figure out?
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The CNET review of 7.0 is here.
Title: Don't switch browsers
Summary:
We had high hopes for Netscape 7.0, but we're sorely disappointed, especially by the missing pop-up suppressor. There's no practical reason to switch from either IE or Mozilla.
the difference is AOL. Netscape == mozilla + aol cruft - nifty pop-up blocking features. Plus netscape has the brand name appeal.
"Um, so what, Netscape is dead, use mozilla"
"yeah, big deal, it's based on Mozilla 1.0 when the Mozilla Organization just released 1.1, kudos to Netscape's already outdated browser".
Yes, but a lot of the time it's easier to:
1- have users download the familiar Netscape product instead of "that mozilla dinosaur thingy".
2- Introduce Netscape to organizations; at least it's a familiar name and brand for them.
I'm a rabid mozilla user, but still I'm pleased to see that Netscape is still alive, if maybe under AOL's life support infrastructure.
Think of what might happen if the gazillions of AOL users started using Netscape when they upgrade to the next version of AOL!!!!!
AOL has the power to change the browser demographics of the web.
So that you wont have to /. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:
Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.
Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.
Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site or FTP server. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central or in the Release Notes.
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If you prefer bleeding edge code with more bugs then use Mozilla. It doesn't have any of the above and has the popup blocker UI. Web developers will also appreciate stuff like the DOM inspector and JS Debugger modules.
One of the main challenges faced in getting users to use standards-compliant browsers over obsolete programs such as Netscape 4-series is also the computers. At places still using older systems or franken-systems, Moz (may just be too hefty for Windows. It doesn't seem as much of a problem on PCs, because IE is available, but many people still use NS4 for the mail client (and I cannot in good conscience tell them that Moz's is overwhelmingly superior, despite weird stuff like NS4 Mail encoding all messages in Rot13 by accident). It is an even bigger challenge with Macs, because many older Macs just won't comfortably run IE/mac, so NS4/mac is the browser of choice for aging Macs.
But saturating the market with standards-compliant browsers is helpful anyway. I could only wish more people knew about Mozilla, for their sake.
Karma: T-rexcellent.
Please,
As a webdesigner, a web game developer, and as an internet user, please for the love of God, start the browser war back up.
When we have competition, at a scale over 20% for the browser, we will FINALLY see standards begin to matter!
AOL needs to:
- Aggressively work with computer makers to ship NS as the default browser in place of IE. More power to them if they also get AOL on it.
- Aggressively work to woo corporations to using Netscape again. Thats where Netscape was immensely powerful before, and where they can be again!
- Replace AOL's IE rendering engine with NS. They began with a closed beta, continued to Compuserve, moved it to AOL 4 Macs, now they need to do it on ALL of AOL.
With that, we may see a reverse in the tides. ANYTHING short of all of that, and it will be just a ripple.
PLEEEEEASE AOL, NS7 *IS READY*!
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http://ufaq.org/files/adblocker.xpi
I have not tried it with the final version of Netscape 7, but it should work unless they've blocked it some how.
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many people hate Netscape what with the AOL stuff the ads etc etc. But just about everyday here at work I convert someone to Mozilla and/or show them some way in which it is better than IE. This has gotten to the point where next week I have a meeting with our MIS department to implement Mozilla in addition to IE as a standard. The moral of the story start using it and when people have a problem with IE test using Mozilla many times it will work and people will start to use it and love it. Also the whole blocking popup thing is a good way to sell people on it. :)
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
You can restore the feature with this
Guvf vf abg n EBG zrffntr
Either it's not happening (the comments I've seen so far might explain why), or NS is withstanding it quite well.
I was shocked how fast I downloaded all 28 megs (NS, RealPlayer, Java 2, Flash, etc.) for a full install, even over my company's typically laggy connection.
Yes, I use NS7. It's more polished than Moz overall. I've been using the PR all summer (Why didn't they go through multiple PRs??? There was PR1 and that was it...) Yes, Moz might have some neat features, but overall I've had too many negative experiences with it. (Like refusing to access SSL pages - "Please download the PSM" - I DOWNLOADED AND INSTALLED IT, DELETED AND REINSTALLED IT AGAIN - WORK GODDAMNIT!)
Interesting how Netscape Radio compares to (say) Musicmatch's radio offering. Haven't checked to see if it runs under Linux yet (2 hours 'till I get home), but it's gonna hurt MM if it can compare, considering that it appears to be free.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Or do what I do. Use it at work, test with it. I've had *many* cases where it is faster and/or better than IE. Show people the popup blocking. Show people the pretty themes. Most of the company I work at (~400 people) use Mozilla at least some of the time and a good chunk of those use it almost all the time. Word of mouth works great for Mozilla because it *really* is better in many ways.
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
I'm really amazed to see the popularity of Netscape, especially version 4.* and especially for the "newbie internet users". The fact is, ISP often offer a free CD containing MS IE5 and NN4.7. Right.
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I was a NN user two years ago, when I had no alternative. Today, let's face it : NN4.* is crap. I mean IE is not the best browser for specs compliance, and crashes quite often. But NN4.* doesn't even support CSS1, which is really a shame if we plan to use HTML4.01 Strict. Opera is quite a good, rapid, nice browser, but since the free version has a banner and since it's not on the ISP CDs, it will never make it amongst beginners.
[ right, you'll have noticed that I only speak about windows, since any normal linux user will use a recent Mozilla (or galeon & co) or Konqueror. I'm talking about people who don't even know what a setup.exe is. ]
So the problem is : I've never seen any ISP shipping its CD with a NN >4 browser. Since NN6 is such a sloooow program, it's not much of a surprise, I agree. We'll see what NN7 will change in this business.
However, the fact is : many internet users are beginners, and many beginners use the browser they were given in the first place (IE5 or NN, maybe they prefer NN because of its mail client which is less effective in virus auto-install). What's wrong with that ?
NN4 *is* deprecated. I mean it doesn't support recent standards. So if you are a webmaster, and that you or your customers want the majority of the people to be able to view your website, you have no choice but make your HTML code NN4 compliant. And to some extent, recent-standards-non-compliant.
I wouldn't be whinning about that here if my customer didn't make me recode his website to make it NN4 compliant (wow, great creepy code with tables, frames, and all).
A solution would be for the ISP to *stop* distributing this old NN version with their CDs. Mozilla is mature enough to replace it, isn't it ? Or even a recent NN version
Let's hope ISP will wake up, eventually, and update their CDs so that we'll finally be able to use the new possibilities the W3C has been working on for two years
theefer
Netscape on solaris is supported by SUN. The latest version available on Solaris is 6.2.3 u can get it from
Netscape On Solaris
Also solaris mozilla binaries take about 4-5 weeks before they are available on mozilla.org. And building it from source is pain in the A$$.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
That's the difference between the browser Mozilla and the company Netscape? How do you compare a browser to a company?
The Internet suite distributed by Netscape Communications, a unit of AOL(tw), is called "Netscape". Version 4.x was called "Communicator". It began to be officially known as "Netscape" starting with version 6.
Ooooh! You meant the difference between Mozilla and Navigator, right?
From Mozilla 1.1, I pull down the Window menu, and I see the word "Navigator". I guess both Netscape and Mozilla use the term "Navigator" to refer to the web browser component.
Will I retire or break 10K?
If you must do it, the least you could do is email the site and let them know they are losing potential customers. At least then there is a chance that they will fix the markup and so next mozilla user to come along won't have to change their UA string.
I had turned popups on (a blog comment page required them) and forgotten about it. Visiting Netscape's page pops up a BIG HUGE ad for Netscape 7.
Microsoft's rival browser, Internet Explorer, by contrast, has an estimated 96% of the market...
because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...
because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...
because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...
because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...
For Gods sake, people, don't set Konq/Moz/Opera to say it's IE, or we'll never get a true picture. And, if a site doesn't let you in as your true self, don't go to the site, and send them an email telling them that you didn't.
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$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Maybe we need a website with a database devoted entirely to giving websites like CapitalOne a hard time for being IE only.
Does such a website exist? Maybe if we got together we could email these people and thier bosses to get them to support Netscape.
Does such a website exist?
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
Given the raft of security bugs surrounding IE and forged certs, isn't it kind of dangerous to do your banking on IE? Wouldn't Mozilla or Konqueror be a safer choice?
Netscape 7 is out.
Internet explorer is in..
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
They support it because some large companies require Netscape 4 for apps built in house.
Net-whah?
There has been spell checker for Mozilla for some time now. You can download the mozilla spell checker from mozdev.org.
The site claims that the spellchecker should land in the mozilla tree probably right after 1.0. I guess it's late... but you can still download it yourself.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
It seems Radio@Netscape depends on popups to work.
I would be very interested to know what slashdot's browser percentages are.
My guess it goes something like...
64% IE (silent majority)
20% Mozilla (loud minority)
10% Opera (for people who like to browse really fast)
5% Konquerer (hey, it came with my distro)
3% Lynx (for people who just can't get enough command lines)
(yeah, it adds up to 102%. The editors can't spell, either)
According to WHOM.
Ceci n'est pas un post
You can get get the Linux spellchecker.xpi and the Windows spellchk.xpi from the Netscape FTP site along with some other options that aren't included with Mozilla. Yea, I know that there is a spellchecker project for Mozilla but it's not really ready yet - and my wife is really complaining about it.
I used to run into the same problem with long log out times when something crashed on Win2k. Ive found that having a backup administrator was very useful. Instead of logging out, you lock the workstation. Then when it gives you the message that only user or and admin, log in as the other admin and it'll quickly log you out without hurting anything.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
Look for these lines in the prefs.js file in your profile directory, and make sure that they have the values indicated below. If the lines don't exist, just copy and paste the lines below into your prefs.js file.
user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);
For lots of details about prefs, go here.
P.S. This is the voice of the Slashdot.
Our lawyers are going to sue you suckas for deep linking without our permission.
We need the money from litigation because no-one went for our subscription idea and instead block our adverts with mozilla.
Note to moderators- this is almost on-topic!
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