This is the exact reason why I have not bought the DLC for FO3 or DragonAge: Origins.
Why not release all the DLC in a reduced price bundle when the GOTY edition is released? I'm not going to purchase the game twice, but I would be willing to shell out a reasonable amount for all the DLC at one go.
exactly. I just built my wife a PC with similar specs for just this reason - about $250, it's better than what she's got now by a large margin (upgrading after 5 years) and it should have a clear upgrade path to get her another 5 years or so.
well, as someone who was on the fence about purchasing the game, this has moved me solidly into the "no" category. One sale lost, anyways... there's probably others like me.
Also appears to be affecting some games as well. Users of the recent Enemy Territory: QuakeWars release are reporting similar connection reset issues. Some are on other cable ISPs, so maybe Comcast isn't alone in this practice?
For my family, it's because we don't have cable ($90 a month for a few channels we'd actually watch is too much for our finances right now), the network TV reception is awful, and with a 5 month old baby in the house, it's very difficult to get out to see a movie. We take lots of walks but there's only so far I'm willing to walk on a rainy day.
As for local video chains, I used to do that... but I'd get screwed over by the late fees every time. I'd end up paying more than the $19 to watch a couple of movies than the 9 to 11 I get from Netflix... the throttling has been annoying me, but I guess it's still better than massive late fees for being a day late because I had to give my son a bath or something else a little more important than returning a DVD to the Blockbuster.
er... I'm a netflix user who falls into their 9 discs a month range. I don't have cable, and we don't get network reception very well, so DVD's are about our only "tv"... so ya, it's really pretty easy to watch a DVD a day. We average 3 a week, which puts us at 12 a month, so... guess I'm a heavy user. But I've never ripped a DVD and probably wouldn't know how to go about doing it anyways...
I've also noticed a slowdown in the past year, so I guess I'm being throttled with the rest...:-/ Might have to rethink how much of a deal we're really getting.
Did you read all of my post, or just start typing? KDE installs fine right off the SuSE disks, or the FTP, or however you want to install it. It's when you try to install additional applications that aren't standard to the distro. Gnome aps on a KDE system, or what have you. Spending 3 days to get an script for Xchat working is rather extream, and I'm far from the 'average user' that the linux community seems to want.
Your average user doesn't know what a consol session is, and doesn't want to. apt-get is a wonderful thing, but isn't the end-all answer. And with the multiple distros using various different methods, that's only bound to further confuse the average user that doesn't even know the difference between a RPM or a.deb. It's a lack of standardization in the community and a lack of standardization in the implimentation.
Cursing at me isn't going to change the fact that the the desktop market is made up of parents and grandparents who can't program their VCRs, let alone figure out what obscure command to type into a consol. 'apt-get install kde x-window-system' How about "Click HERE to install KDE"? Even that's probably too confusing...
I've tried both, actually... less issues with Knoppix, but then, I didn't stick with it for more than a week because it hated my sound card and I just didn't feel like messing with it.
My point is that, for the "average user", they should be able to pick up any of the main stream linux distros (Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Mandrake, etc...) install it, and have it work out of the box. They've come a looong way towards making this happen. However, installation of new software packages that aren't part of the standard packaging of software with a distro, needs to be easier, and more consistant.
I had to explain to a co-worker how FTP worked today... there's your average user, unfortunately. And he's one of the more PC-literate people I work with. They don't know what a tarball is, or how to go about compiling things with make or even what apt-get could do for them... They want to click on a link on a web page, get a single file, and have it automatically and flawlessly install and work.
Granted, Windows in all its various incarnations doesn't do this perfectly either, but in my experience, and many others, it does it more often than not. And if Linux is to capture that particular user base, then it's going to need to get better at it. Just my $0.02
good one. I liked the part where you stoped saying intelligent things and started insulting me. nice.
i've used debian, I've used Knoppix, I've used Mandrake, I've used SuSE and I've used Redhat. I'm familiar with apt-get, YaST and all the rest.. they usually work, but quite often, I still run into dependeny issues which can't be resolved from within the management system provided by the distributions. So off I go to rpmfind.net or similar resources to try and fix the issues.
As for what it has to do with KDE... not much... but the comments in the original article mentioned something about linux being ready for the desktop. My original post was responding to that part of the comments.
Just more talkin out of my ass, I suppose. Good one man. That was awesome.
true, and SuSE linux has the YAST installing system which works similarly, I'm told. However, this is dependant on the arviches keeping their packages up to date. For instance, I recently spent three days trying to install a small script for Xchat to remotely controll XMMS.
So first, get the script in RPM format... find out that I need the XMMS:remote perl module... which SuSE didn't have, so I tried installing it via CPAN only that failed to work properly (the error message was a mile long)... so I went to the CPAN website and tried to just install via a tarball, which also failed... I ended up googling for 'xmms::remote suse' which led me to a website in what I think was Norwegian, which had a xmms::remote rpm compiled for SuSE... this needed other dependencies, which I ended up having to download and force in with a large hammer. Finally, the remote perl modul installed and I could install the script 3 days later.
All this so that I could have XMMS announce what song I was listening to on IRC... which I promptly turned off because it's annoying.
Lesson learned.;)
When you can install an application with out spending hours or days tracking down various RPMs, wrestling with dependencies and conflicts, or having to update gtk2.0+-0.2.2.1 or some other "obscure" thing, then it'll be ready. It's fine for people who like to do this kind of thing, but all people in the "real world" want is to be able to install an application and have it work correctly the first time.
When you can download a file and install it in one click... then linux will be ready for the average user's desktop. All the rest of this stuff is just eye candy. Pretty, but not what's really needed.
Nina Blackburn: So, what's the deal about the hats? Ice Cold: Sh*t, the hats're what it's all about! See, back when we was still slaves, the white man made the black man work in the fields. Tone Def: Word. Heads totally exposed to the sun. Ice Cold: So when the slaves got back from the fields, they was too tired to fight the white man. So what we're sayin' now is: Yo, we got some hats now muh-f**kas! Tasty Taste: And we ain't too tired to bust a cap in yo' *ss!
Spam does indeed have a group of people who actually believe it's a good thing. Take Adam Hanft, for instance. He did a commentary on Market Placeyesterday where he claims " It?s "outsider capitalism," it?s part of the free market, and it works. " He even claims that it's better than direct mail, since it kills fewer trees.
Of course, his reports leave out a lot of things, like young children having adds for bodypart enlargements, or graphic emails of beastialty in their inbox... certainly don't see that too often with Directmail.
But this guy is just one example of those who do lobby for spam mail... misguided though they may be.
I'm actually heading to Ohio this Saturday to make the final preperations for the wedding. It's hard to believe that in 8 days, I'll be getting married! I was hoping that next Thursday, we could all go out, maybe to Dave & Busters, and have a good time. You gonna be around?
but you're pretty much garenteed a top-notch game. Blizzard is the only company who's games I will buy simply because they're made by that company. I don't have to know anything about the game before hand, I know it'll be good.
I wouldn't say that I hated it, but I did get extreamly frustrated with the gesture driven interface. My system at the time just barely met the minimum requirements for the game. Which ment that making the simplest gesture was made nearly impossible by the jerkiness of the game. And the complicated ones were just not gonna happen.
As for the creature, I just wanted to slap the hell out of him. If he wasn't wandering off throwing trees into the ocean, he was eating the peons. Completely useless...
My boss however, got a hat. He's been at the company for 26 years, and they got him a baseball hat. I can't wait till I get my hat... I figure, I've only got another 25 years to go. mmm...baseball hat....
The only reason I buy HBO is for the series shows (Sopranos, Oz, etc)... the reason I canceled Showtime when they lost Stargate was because of no series that interested me. I'd be sure to resubscribe if Farscape moved there.
Actually, Farscape is the only reason I have Sci-Fi. If they continue with the cancelation, I'll likely be dropping it. If HBO or whomever picks it up, I suppose I'll be putting my money there instead.
Of course, now that I think about it, the cable companies usually make you purchase channels in packages, these days. Basic gets you hardly anything, Standard gets you up through TNN or something, and the next tier up gets you the rest. And in order to get HBO or any of the other movie channels, you need to have at least Standard, if not the digital cable tier these days. Just another way for the cable company to pile on extra fees...
woah, this turned into a rant somehow... go figure.
Huh... And to think that I upgraded my cable service just so I could get Sci-Fi and watch this show. After season 4 is finished, I imagine that I'll drop my service back down as I don't really watch much else on that tier.
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This is the exact reason why I have not bought the DLC for FO3 or DragonAge: Origins.
Why not release all the DLC in a reduced price bundle when the GOTY edition is released? I'm not going to purchase the game twice, but I would be willing to shell out a reasonable amount for all the DLC at one go.
exactly. I just built my wife a PC with similar specs for just this reason - about $250, it's better than what she's got now by a large margin (upgrading after 5 years) and it should have a clear upgrade path to get her another 5 years or so.
positing to undo incorrect moderation. nothing to see here, move along...
well, as someone who was on the fence about purchasing the game, this has moved me solidly into the "no" category. One sale lost, anyways... there's probably others like me.
Also appears to be affecting some games as well. Users of the recent Enemy Territory: QuakeWars release are reporting similar connection reset issues. Some are on other cable ISPs, so maybe Comcast isn't alone in this practice?
For my family, it's because we don't have cable ($90 a month for a few channels we'd actually watch is too much for our finances right now), the network TV reception is awful, and with a 5 month old baby in the house, it's very difficult to get out to see a movie. We take lots of walks but there's only so far I'm willing to walk on a rainy day. As for local video chains, I used to do that... but I'd get screwed over by the late fees every time. I'd end up paying more than the $19 to watch a couple of movies than the 9 to 11 I get from Netflix... the throttling has been annoying me, but I guess it's still better than massive late fees for being a day late because I had to give my son a bath or something else a little more important than returning a DVD to the Blockbuster.
er... I'm a netflix user who falls into their 9 discs a month range. I don't have cable, and we don't get network reception very well, so DVD's are about our only "tv"... so ya, it's really pretty easy to watch a DVD a day. We average 3 a week, which puts us at 12 a month, so... guess I'm a heavy user. But I've never ripped a DVD and probably wouldn't know how to go about doing it anyways... I've also noticed a slowdown in the past year, so I guess I'm being throttled with the rest... :-/ Might have to rethink how much of a deal we're really getting.
Your average user doesn't know what a consol session is, and doesn't want to. apt-get is a wonderful thing, but isn't the end-all answer. And with the multiple distros using various different methods, that's only bound to further confuse the average user that doesn't even know the difference between a RPM or a .deb. It's a lack of standardization in the community and a lack of standardization in the implimentation.
Cursing at me isn't going to change the fact that the the desktop market is made up of parents and grandparents who can't program their VCRs, let alone figure out what obscure command to type into a consol. 'apt-get install kde x-window-system' How about "Click HERE to install KDE"? Even that's probably too confusing...
My point is that, for the "average user", they should be able to pick up any of the main stream linux distros (Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Mandrake, etc...) install it, and have it work out of the box. They've come a looong way towards making this happen. However, installation of new software packages that aren't part of the standard packaging of software with a distro, needs to be easier, and more consistant.
I had to explain to a co-worker how FTP worked today... there's your average user, unfortunately. And he's one of the more PC-literate people I work with. They don't know what a tarball is, or how to go about compiling things with make or even what apt-get could do for them... They want to click on a link on a web page, get a single file, and have it automatically and flawlessly install and work.
Granted, Windows in all its various incarnations doesn't do this perfectly either, but in my experience, and many others, it does it more often than not. And if Linux is to capture that particular user base, then it's going to need to get better at it. Just my $0.02
good one. I liked the part where you stoped saying intelligent things and started insulting me. nice. i've used debian, I've used Knoppix, I've used Mandrake, I've used SuSE and I've used Redhat. I'm familiar with apt-get, YaST and all the rest.. they usually work, but quite often, I still run into dependeny issues which can't be resolved from within the management system provided by the distributions. So off I go to rpmfind.net or similar resources to try and fix the issues. As for what it has to do with KDE... not much... but the comments in the original article mentioned something about linux being ready for the desktop. My original post was responding to that part of the comments. Just more talkin out of my ass, I suppose. Good one man. That was awesome.
true, and SuSE linux has the YAST installing system which works similarly, I'm told. However, this is dependant on the arviches keeping their packages up to date. For instance, I recently spent three days trying to install a small script for Xchat to remotely controll XMMS. So first, get the script in RPM format... find out that I need the XMMS:remote perl module... which SuSE didn't have, so I tried installing it via CPAN only that failed to work properly (the error message was a mile long)... so I went to the CPAN website and tried to just install via a tarball, which also failed... I ended up googling for 'xmms::remote suse' which led me to a website in what I think was Norwegian, which had a xmms::remote rpm compiled for SuSE... this needed other dependencies, which I ended up having to download and force in with a large hammer. Finally, the remote perl modul installed and I could install the script 3 days later. All this so that I could have XMMS announce what song I was listening to on IRC... which I promptly turned off because it's annoying. Lesson learned. ;)
which is fine, so long as the apt-get repository is kept up to date. I've found that this isn't always the case.
When you can install an application with out spending hours or days tracking down various RPMs, wrestling with dependencies and conflicts, or having to update gtk2.0+-0.2.2.1 or some other "obscure" thing, then it'll be ready. It's fine for people who like to do this kind of thing, but all people in the "real world" want is to be able to install an application and have it work correctly the first time. When you can download a file and install it in one click... then linux will be ready for the average user's desktop. All the rest of this stuff is just eye candy. Pretty, but not what's really needed.
Ice Cold: Sh*t, the hats're what it's all about! See, back when we was still slaves, the white man made the black man work in the fields.
Tone Def: Word. Heads totally exposed to the sun.
Ice Cold: So when the slaves got back from the fields, they was too tired to fight the white man. So what we're sayin' now is: Yo, we got some hats now muh-f**kas!
Tasty Taste: And we ain't too tired to bust a cap in yo' *ss!
Fear of a Black Hat
To sum it up, Windows was keepin the linux world down... but now... we got some hats now, muh-f**kas
Of course, his reports leave out a lot of things, like young children having adds for bodypart enlargements, or graphic emails of beastialty in their inbox... certainly don't see that too often with Directmail.
But this guy is just one example of those who do lobby for spam mail... misguided though they may be.
A link to the audio stream is here
Huh... wonder what's on my mind today...
Wonder how long before someone tries to put linux on one.
Nah, we're all set. Seems like we've been planning forever. I'm just ready to get the show on.
I'm actually heading to Ohio this Saturday to make the final preperations for the wedding. It's hard to believe that in 8 days, I'll be getting married! I was hoping that next Thursday, we could all go out, maybe to Dave & Busters, and have a good time. You gonna be around?
Yes, you have to register for it. However, the DL speeds are (currently) a hell of a lot faster than the other mirrors. 180kb/s instead of 6kb/s.
but you're pretty much garenteed a top-notch game. Blizzard is the only company who's games I will buy simply because they're made by that company. I don't have to know anything about the game before hand, I know it'll be good.
As for the creature, I just wanted to slap the hell out of him. If he wasn't wandering off throwing trees into the ocean, he was eating the peons. Completely useless...
My boss however, got a hat. He's been at the company for 26 years, and they got him a baseball hat. I can't wait till I get my hat... I figure, I've only got another 25 years to go. mmm...baseball hat....
Actually, Farscape is the only reason I have Sci-Fi. If they continue with the cancelation, I'll likely be dropping it. If HBO or whomever picks it up, I suppose I'll be putting my money there instead.
Of course, now that I think about it, the cable companies usually make you purchase channels in packages, these days. Basic gets you hardly anything, Standard gets you up through TNN or something, and the next tier up gets you the rest. And in order to get HBO or any of the other movie channels, you need to have at least Standard, if not the digital cable tier these days. Just another way for the cable company to pile on extra fees...
woah, this turned into a rant somehow... go figure.
Huh... And to think that I upgraded my cable service just so I could get Sci-Fi and watch this show. After season 4 is finished, I imagine that I'll drop my service back down as I don't really watch much else on that tier.