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Armadillo Rocket Makes A (Short) Manned Hop
riney writes "w00t! John Carmack and crew at Armadillo Aerospace have gotten their first man in the air. Six seconds of perfectly controlled flight with human passenger. See their site for details and video."
One giant leap for an armadillo!
But seriously, this is great news for the industry that a private company has such success.
the time it takes to drop their web server?
That's about as long as the server managed to survive a good, old-fashioned slashdotting!
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
You slashdotted John Carmack! You bastards!
I hate to be the one...
This was posted this morning.
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
More projects like this need to come to fruition. especially speculative commercial enterprises looking to make some kind of money off space exploration (like mining the moon or mars or something).
the age of discovery when europeans (for better and worse) started traipsing all over the globe was driven by monetary interests above all else. it's great to do scientific experiments in space, but the prospect of making cold hard cash will get us a colony on the moon much sooner.
my pet machine
Meanwhile, across town, John Romero is working hard on a prototype BFG to blow said rocket out of the air.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
Armadillo Aerospace News Archive Lander modifications, Man in the air!, misc September 24 and 28, 2002 meeting notes Lander modifications I made a separate aluminum plate to bolt the CPU board to, and mounted it to the electronics box with PVC grommets. This should keep the board from flexing, and provide some vibration and shock isolation. The memory SIMM is probably still a weak point for us, but there isn't much we can do with this board. http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/sho ckMount.jpg
We now run power and ground to the CPU/PC104 stack through three independent routes: two separate lines at the power connector, and also through the PC104 pins at the top of the stack.
We built a manual cutoff box for the manned flights. The box has a switch and a self-contained 27 volt power supply, so if it is switched, no matter what the electronics box is doing, the main engine valve will close in under a half second.
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/kil lSwitch.jpg
When it is in auto-land mode, the flight control software now goes to full down throttle as soon as it detects a 2.5G acceleration, which seems to be a reliable hit-the-ground determination. Previously, the bouncing accelerations would cause the computer to hunt the throttle around trying to maintain a steady rate of descent, which would cause it to bounce back up in the air a little bit. Forcing the throttle down as soon as impact is detected reduced this quite a bit.
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/pre pFlights.mpg
There is a related effect that happens at liftoff, where the accelerations induced as the vehicle leaves the ground slightly unevenly make it look like it is accelerating faster than it is, causing the computer to throttle down earlier than it should, making it waste a bit of time bobbing on the ground before finally lifting off. I will probably do something to address this in the future.
Man in the air!
We were finally ready to let someone get on the vehicle. We were at this point a year ago with the previous generation (single tank, red tubes) vehicle, but development always seemed to be pushing us to change and improve the lander in some way, when we weren't working on the other propulsion research. Our criteria was always that we had to have two absolutely perfect ballasted flights with zero changes before a person could ride. Usually, after two flights we would either find a problem, or find something that we wanted to improve. We finally reached a point where everything is operating to our satisfaction. I was tempted to do something about the liftoff throttling, but we decided that it is good enough as is.
Another factor that has kept us cautious is that Anna, my wife, was our designated first passenger. This was her rather crafty ploy to make sure that we pay a whole lot of attention to safety. It would be one thing for Russ to break a leg in an accident, it would be a completely different thing to break one of Anna's legs! Although she had been suited up and ready to fly on several past occasions that we canceled, Anna was scheduled to be out of town this weekend. Since we seemed to be operating responsibly, she ceded her position to Russ for the first flight, rather than make us wait until she got back.
Anna prepping for the canceled flight last weekend:
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/Ann aPrep.mpg
We had an ambulance on site, just in case. This is surprisingly inexpensive, and should be considered by anyone doing something potentially dangerous.
The vehicle is chained securely to the ground, with chain wrapped around the main frame in two places, and connected to two big eye bolts sunk in the concrete. Nylon rope is wound through most of the chain links to act as a shock absorber, rather than let the chain come up hard.
Russ wore goggles, ear plugs, and a filter mask underneath the helmet, and had a hazmat suit on to protect against any peroxide spray. We have a 3" energy absorbing foam pad on the seat, and a 1" pad on the back.
Dry weight was 525 pounds, and we loaded 50 pounds of peroxide. The flight was perfect. Auto-land was initiated six seconds after throttle up. There was one bad sample from the altimeter recorded, but it didn't have any impact. We could have had a couple more seconds of air time at this load, but it was best to keep everything very conservative.
Russ reported that the flight was smooth, but the landing thud was noticeable. I have been trying to get a quote from Enidine for custom wound wire rope isolators to give us a more cushy landing. If I had a cleaner signal from the altimeter, I could have the flight control software touch down almost arbitrarily softly, but right now there is enough uncertainty that asking for a slower rate of descent would leave the total speed basically in the noise margin.
A few seconds in the air a few feet off the ground is not very significant by itself, but the point is that most of the systems necessary for much more significant flights are demonstrated. Looked at in the best light, it is a reusable, four axis stabilized, liquid fueled, manned rocket. Our single man suborbital space shot vehicle is expected to only be about twice the dry mass of this vehicle (but with a LOT more propellant, including kerosene), and will not be all that much more complex.
It was tempting to fly more, but we are starting to hoard our peroxide because we are down to our last three drums, and we don't have the supply resolved yet. We will learn a lot more flying the tube vehicle to a couple thousand feet than doing yet another lander hop. When we get a good supply in, we will do some full-load lander flights with the pilot doing the joystick control.
The video:
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/fir stMannedFlight.mpg
The telemetry:
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/man nedTelemetry.gif
Group photo, from left to right: Neil Milburn, Phil Eaton, Russ Blink, Joseph LaGrave, John Carmack, Matt Ross
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2002_09_28/gro upShot.jpg
Misc
We finished all the plumbing and wiring for the high flow regulated system that we will be testing with the 1,000 lbf regen biprop soon.
We got the new fiberglass nose and tail cones for the tube vehicle, and mounted the rocket tower to the top, which will pull the parachute out.
We got seven new 6" engine shells in. These have a slightly larger (2") throat, and have a full 2" radius of curvature on the throat, instead of our previous fairly sharp angle. We will be building the next vehicle frame to use four large differentially throttled engines instead of a single large engine with four pulsed attitude engines.
Our cavitating venturis from Fox Valve finally arrived, after we had wrapped up most of our testing on the 2" motors. Sigh. We may go ahead and do some tests with them on one of the remaining aluminum chambers that need to be flood cooled.
Dude, their pilot did better than their webserver...
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
Apparently the only real design concern is that the craft tends to roll itself up into a ball in emergency situations...
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
The flight was shortened due to the fact that the company's webserver was located inside the rocket.
Ahh... the slashdot effect is now one step closer to entering orbit.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
2,000 pounds of steel, 20,000 poounds of thrust, and a pair of very dark shades. The world's first fully cybernetic, SSTO-capable armadillo. Coming soon from Armadillo Labs. The Dasypian Future begins tomorrow...
(Yeah, I admit it, I'm way too old-sk00l for my own good. Carmack, if you're reading this - was that the inspiration for the name of your firm? -{}{}{}{}{}{}8>
w00t!
Strange sound for a rocket!
A more likely story is someone had a curry the night before
With enough geeks, you can bring any weebsite to its knees.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
I had no idea hydrogen peroxide was so versatile:
-ANTISEPTIC
-BLONDE BLEACH for low-rent types
-ROCKET FUEL
...and all for just $2.99/L at the local drugstore!
As John posted to the Amateur Rocketry Listserv today, they are on track for a manned supersonic and unmanned spaceshot in 2003. That puts them in sight of the X-Prize for 2004. That is, if I don't get my butt in gear!
I am not suprised why it crashed so fast. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mo de_w=on&site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armadilloaerospace.c om%2F&submit=Examine
About the same amount of time one might get with a Rocket Gun assisted jump?
When they got back to Earth (after the 6-second flight), did the pilot get a rub-down with the blue goo by the vulcan from Enterprise? :-)
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
I was expecting to see a rocket, but it's just a flying seat with a dude and some fuel strapped onto it. Okay, okay, it's still quite an achievement. I was just hoping these guys were further along, ready to kick some major butt on the competition for private manned rocket flight. Oh well, there's still time I guess. :)
After such a flight, we were planning to do more launches. Our Ultimate goal was space but we have been slashdotted, and our "burtable" bandwidth has killed our budget.
Thanks Slashdot.
-- Tim
TKrabec Pahh
the one passanger of the rocket was able to reach a height sufficient to obtain the coveted Quad Damage previously only accessible through a series of floating jump-pads. Experts predict this will give the passenger the edge needed to frag the camping BFG whore.
I wonder if we'll remember John as the Man that Sold the Moon...
Doom, Quake, Armadillos...let's hope all they have in common is success and John. ;)
Do you know why the road less traveled by is littered with the bones of the unwary?
was john always that portly? looks like the nerd lifestyle has caught up (i saw him in 1995 and he was a rail). i'm so OT.
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Armadillo Aerospace
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
We really need some British input on here.
There used to be an ad for Dime bars in the UK, where they were compared to Armadillos (Harry Enfield did it I think)... in that they were soft on the inside and crunchy on the outside... Armadillos!!!
Pity since the sites has beenAre you local? There's nothing for you here!
Is the 1st time a human has flown in a real rocket that wasn't connected to a goverment?
Man, the trolls keep getting lazier and lazier; now they're giving us 300-in-1 troll posts, rather than going to the trouble to post that often...
... At least it'd be even easier to filter out... :]
Now, if only the spammers could do that & we could get 1 catch-all spam (instead of 30) offering to spam 1,000,000 people with length-enhancing herbal viagra that will repair your credit history and attract hot lesbian sluts, all while letting you know if your SO is cheating on you and giving you someone else's "nakked pics"
as not quoted from the article- JC - "yeah it was great, but far from our true goals.. The next time we hope that we can accually get it too crash land on that stupid planet."
:)(smile)
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Yo!
I'm a geeky webmaster that plays quake and has a lot of accounts
scatterered around the world. If you could tar.gz up that story and pics
and shoot em back in a reply, I'd love to post em up as a mirror
(because I am a shameless self promoting whore)
Regards and bonghits.
--toqer
Baldrson writes "Some guy named John Carmack wrote to the amateur rocketry mailing list "We finaly let someone ride on one of our landers. Only a few seconds in the air, but still pretty damn cool!""
Seastead this.
who's to blame:
Too many users... blah blah blah
Probable cause: http://www.slashdot.org
Try again in a few seconds...
-xian@idsoftware.com
and it is people like you, who want to stifle the inovators out there, that is bringing the US closer and closer to orwellian reality. fool
While trying to visit the website, I keep hearing the Quake 3 voice in my head saying, "Denied".
like mining the moon or mars or something
Not on my land they ain't! Of course, mineral rights can be acquired for a fee...
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
Geez, I'm fairly sure it was a joke. Lighten up a bit. You're kinda ugly, but here goes... *hug* ;)
For a somewhat working version of their website try:
http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x
Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor - Ovidius
If you can get the URL for those movies from the actual website, post it, cause for some reason those work fine. It's just getting in through the front page that doesn't work. I was getting these at 65 k/s.
http://ardvark.upnix.net/~chris/FirstStraightEditS horter.mpg
http://ardvark.upnix.net/~chris/sas02_high.mpg
Oh, it'll get slow, but it should keep going if you're patient
Moderation Totals: Offtopic=1, Funny=2, Overrated=1, Total=4
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Well, I was modded for being both OT and Overrated. Don't you love it when moderators do exactly what you tell them to?
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
"It was a fun couple of seconds. When can I do it again?"
Russell Blink
First Amateur to ride a fully guided ballistic rocket?
"We had an ambulance on site, just in case. This is surprisingly inexpensive, and should be considered by anyone doing something potentially dangerous. The vehicle is chained securely to the ground, with chain wrapped around the main frame in two places, and connected to two big eye bolts sunk in the concrete. Nylon rope is wound through most of the chain links to act as a shock absorber, rather than let the chain come up hard."
Wouldn't the ambulance be more useful if it weren't chained to the ground?
pthththtt..
Did I say SWITCH to LINUX? Geez. I said you should use APACHE. How does that imply you need to use Linux in any way? You can use apache on NT/blah
Maybe you should borrow one of the mac's from Carmack and play around with it. Some of the OSX stuff is prett easy to use.
Why does this sound like something professor Frink would create?
"Wahaay, Glaven!"
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
We use H2O2 with sulfuric acid to remove organics from wafers. Its strong enough to blister your skin if you touch it though.
Quitters never win, Winners never quit, But those who never win and never quit are idiots.
I think it would be equally or potentially more interesting to deploy a small army of ThinkGeek-style rovers. Perhaps small-scale industrial stuff later, all done via remote-control.
From the site: ... team currently consists of a bunch of guys, a girl... ...small research and development team... ...computer-controlled hydrogen peroxide rocket X-Prize class vehicle development... ...lead us to space... ...Man in the air... ...Hypergolic fuels... ...Venturi injector...
So what's the girl look like?
>Too many users... blah blah blah
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>Probable cause: http://www.slashdot.org
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>Try again in a few seconds...
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>-xian@idsoftware.com
Probable cause? Like there is any doubt!
I agree. He certainly seems off to an auspicious start. Here's hoping it keeps going well!
BTW, Love the Heinlein reference but personally I'd like to think that he'll be remembered as the man who gave us "...the plans for our first hyperdrive, allowing mankind to open the doors to the stars."
This space for rent. All reasonable inquiries will be entertained at proprietors discretion.
Cool, so fifty-five years after NASA sent a monkey into space, John Carmack could set a new first: first civilian [code] monkey launched into space. While Albert the monkey sadly perished on his maiden flight, *he* didn't understand the principles of rocket-assisted jumping or in-air turning. Elementary physics to any Quake veteran...
Geez, I'm fairly sure it was sarcasm. Get a new detector. You're kinda ugly, but here goes... *lart*
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They have now discovered a much better source of fuel than any previously known.
This new means of propulsion has been designated "The Slashdot Effect Field". By placing a web server inside the rocket and redirecting requests in a controlled manner from a specially designed composite thruster, the rocket is able to achive any desired velocity and range.
The only conventional fuel required is the amount required to raise the rocket six feet, at which time the news post can be generated to initiate the Slashdot Effect Field.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What intersts me is the IDSOFTWARE.COM address. Does DOOM have anything to do with this?
You do know who John Carmack is, don't you??
if you did, it would be of no surprise to see an idsoftware address...
HINT: install Doom, Quit & Read Credits........
Burma?
I was thinking the same think until I read that last line.
I actually said out loud "Damn I'm a geek."
I already modded myself (-1 Offtopic) by using "No Score +1 Bonus"
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Yeah, sure. Cater to the dozen or so people that still use Windows Media player at the expense of preventing the rest of the world from seeing the videos. Great idea. Oh, and I don't know if you've noticed, but RealOne is shite. It randomly pops up other "promotional" video clips instead of the one you want to watch...
John Carmack wants to propel people upwards using rockets for real ??! Let's just hope self-damage was turned down :)
Next they'll be distributing grenades on the launch pad to get a bit more height
If he ever smashes to the ground himself testing one of these creations - you just know what should be on his grave stone: "Carmack cratered." hehe
Oh stop it (rofl)- there's probably a hundred RJ jokes in this one..
The only problem with the launch was that once the paracute opened, the wind caught the rocket and it got stuck in a tree down the block. One of the neighbor hood kids got it down by throwing a stick at it.
Yep, the sad thing is that the world is full of people like this, who think the only thing "safe" has a government "USDA" stamp of approval on it. Airplanes fall out of the sky daily (well, sometimes) and this guy's scared to death of a chair with toy rocket motors on it that lifts a single human being 15 feet off the ground. I've known people just like that, unfortunately, who can't see the forest for the tree.
I read over the Armadillo site a good while ago, and I confess the basics of the ultimate goal seem a bit elusive. The only picture of the manned module I saw resembled a section of sewer pipe. I know the ultimate goal is to get a human payload up 50 miles or so, but...what then? Does a chute pop open and the thing simply return to earth, the passengers not even glimpsing space because of the lack of a porthole? If so it seems curious indeed as the passengers might get the same "experience" hopping into one of NASA's centrifugal G-force trainers, and be a whole lot safer for it, besides.
Not that this isnt very cool in itself.. but, Six Seconds in the air is in my eyes, a LONG way away from space by any streach of the imagination, its a first (Or second, or something) step, but nothing to get carried away with. - And its for that reason you don't see more people investing in it. No one has proved it can be nearly done, yet alone done.
;o)
Once one group has made a very significant breakthrough, then other people will start to take notice and try to follow, or get there first. But I think thats a good few years off.
Perhaps investing in life extending products is a better bet if you want to see the first moon base.
I saw the light at the end of the tunnel... But it was just someone with a flashlight bringing more work.
The same story twice in the same day! This is a first, even for Slashdot.
I am alone, yet I also surf the universal backwash of undifferentiated Being, which is LOVE.
MPEG is a well entrenched video standard, and it is possible to play it on a huge variety of video players. If you're using Linux, go to freshmeat.net and do a search for MPlayer. It's a very versatile video player, the only problem is that it's a command line program, but it gets the job done. Just can't do the damned RealPlayer format. I watched some of the MPEGs off the armadillo site, and they played fine.
Actually, I was replying to a comment above mine who was talking about using .wmv, or Realplayer format. I meant to quote the guy but forgot. The post is here.
We're now really offtopic, but I don't care 'cos I've got a ton of karma.