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BMG Stops Producing CDs
An Anonymous Cow writes "The register has a new story about claims by Bertelsmann that they'll stop manufacturing uncrippled audio CDs. More can be found on Bertelsmann's own site (info by region, Europe only). Trouble playing it in your car stereo? According to BMG the error is your player's, and not their CD's. Quote: 'As far as we were advised, our copy protection is according to the Red Book Standard as well as all labelling on the cd.' In English: they don't even find it necessary to indicate on the CD cover that it's copy protected, nor do they think it advisable to listen to Philips' objections against using the CD logo on crippled discs, instead there's a label claiming that the CD is fully Red Book-compliant. It looks like this is a test case, because only all European CDs will be crippled."
The correct term is "differently abled CD's"
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Don't read this!
No wonder they complain about decreasing CD sales if they stop shipping CDs...
False Advertising...
How about BMG create their own standards and call it something else?
I am sure this will lead to more sales, because everyone knows when you spit in the customers eye and take away their ability to do that which they did before, they always reward you for it.
--Joey
Your scrambled ToC is no match for my superior patch cable and audio in!
There is nothing wrong with being gay. It's getting caught where the trouble lies.
Well, if I can no longer spend my hard-earned money on CDs that will play on the various CD players around my house (including, I might add, the one in my computer), guess I'll have to resort to just downloading the songs instead from whatever Napster-clone I decide to use at the time... And all this time I thought they WANTED us to be buying their CDs... Sheesh!
If you BUY their products, you will only encourage them.
If you stop paying for their products, the RIAA and MPAA won't have money to pay congressmen/women for laws like the DMCA.
How can you claim a device not able to play Red Book compliant disks is a CD player?
"BMG attaches great importance to assuring that the copy protection used does not lead to restrictions for consumers with respect to listening pleasure. Those who play back their purchased product on a standard home CD Audio player will not notice any difference at all."
... New trends and
talents can only emerge if music is bought..."
Does this mean that I cannot listen to CDs on my computer without being concidered a consumer without respect to listening pleasure?
"In the long term, massive copying deprives music-makers of their very livelihood.
I prefer listening to musicians who play music because they enjoy it, not for the money. As for the veri livelihood, I'd say that the ability to sample non-mainstream artists without having to stand in line at my local music store has made me by more CDs than ever before. I suggest that this assumption is down right wrong.
"...this decline is attributed to a large extent to unauthorised CD-R copying."
Or perhaps due to a downwards tendency of the entire economy. Sales will fluctuate, so don't blame the customers, make new and better products.
Seriously. It seems to me that if they are going to be using the CD logo (even stating outright that the disk is compliant to Red Book standards) that Philips should be able to haul them to court over improper and misleading usage of Philip's trademark.
Don't know if Philips has enough interest in doing so, though. After all, removing the mark from these "discs that kind of look like CDs" would probably make zero difference to the buying public, but would in fact remove a (probably small) revenue stream for Philips (BMG would no longer need to licence the trademark for their packaging).
Look at the tomato! Isn't it sad? He can't dance! Poor tomato!
The disc may be barely compliant with the red book specs for cd audio, but the changes to the 'redundant' data to throw data decoders will ensure the error handling capability is serverely reduced. One scratch could literally kill your CD. Thing is, the majority of consumer electronics firms are rapidly going in the MP3 direction (hence data drives) which would spit out 'protected discs'. This is the manufacturing industry going one way and the media industry going the other. That leaves the consumers caught between a rock and a hard place. :-(
"All out books are completely normal and qualify for Library of Congress cataloging... we've simply removed the text as a precautionary measure to defeat the thieving scum of the world." says spokesman Yanash Smythe.
A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself.
I suspect they're engaged on some wacko conspiracy: "Do as much as we can to lose money and then blame it on customers. And then, once we've reached bottom, we'll ... um ... well, we haven't figured that part out yet. Our goal is to simply piss off consumers, hit bottom, and then blame folks."
What's interesting is that three years ago I was an active CD buyer. I was constantly buying stuff at Best Buy, was a member of all the CD clubs (even though that wasn't making anyone much money), and buying CDs on-line weekly.
Now, I've stopped. I won't buy another CD because I have no idea whether or not it will play in what I want to play it in, and I have absolutely no desire to try to bring it back to a place like Best Buy or send it back to a place like CDNOW or Amazon.com.
Instead, I'm enjoying my "old" CDs, installed my old Technics phonograph, and actively search out obscure stuff -- mostly CDs, some vinyl -- in local record stores. My music listening experience has gone way, way up, and I'm spending less than ever -- but finding stuff I like.
And I'll occasionally drop into Kazaa to listen to new stuff and try and determine, say, why Justine Timberlake is putting out new albums that sound like vintage Michael Jackson or why U2 and Aerosmith insist on putting out a new greatest hits album every other week or why Bob Dylan's *old* stuff is far and away better than anything he's put out since Infidels (which was, IMHO, the last good Dylan album). But that's about it.
So, yes, to the RIAA I say this: if your goal is to piss-off customers and lose them permanently -- congratulations!
It was good while it lasted. Guess it's time to stop buying my music and start stealing it like everyone else. :(
They are going to produce a product which is the same size as a CD, and even looks the same. But if it won't play on a CD player then it's not a CD.
...because of this whole war they are waging on their customers.
Do you?
Watch as a new generation of young people (ages 6 through 16) hit Kazaa. Then Gnutella when Kazaa shuts down. When Peekabooty when P2P is getting hammered by **IA.
It's great news! I'm not being sarcastic. When they have to go to such lengts to protect a dead business model, all we have to do is sit back and laugh. And teach our familes how to use WinAmp or iTunes.
They FUNNY SHIT is this... I'd gladly pay PER SONG for an OGG download. But $20 for crap on an obsolete medium (CD's)? HA! Never...
Again, in short, they are dying and this is the first sign. enjoy the ride, you'll tell your grandkids about this.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
And make it very clear in writing ( polite, paper mail ) why its being done.
If they continue with the plan, I guess we all just have to find a way to rip them onto a cdR that isnt crippled so we can use what we own in the car, at work, etc..
If we dont stop it, then the others will follow suit shortly afterwards.
I wonder what Phillips has to say about this whole thing.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Us consumers in the US can look to our government to stand up to this overt attack on our rights! Politicians in Washington aren't going to let these big record companies galavant about stomping on our rights!
After all, this is our culture that we're talking about. Surely the music of the time belongs to the people, right!? It's ours to share, the same as our wisdom and our stories, with each other freely. We all know that the progression of culture depends on the constant cycle of old becoming new, new artists seeking inspiration from those that went before.
I'm confident that the new government in Washington will honor these sacred things. We're all in good hands now!
Let's all have a glass of Victory Gin!
My Karma was at 49, then they switched to words. All that work for nothing!
An analogy. You try to get a restraining order against some guy. The judge throws it out of court for lack of grounds. So you keep crank calling him, and egging his car, until he is so ticked off that you actually do need the protection.
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When you come to a fork in the road, take it! --Yogi Berra--
Just because a program compiles, it doesn't mean it will work. It simply means it complies with the language specification and it's syntactially correct. The program itself might not work at all.
The same goes for CDs. The specification doesn't neccessarily mean that the CD will be playable - only that it has certain features and is encoded in a certain way.
Nick...
I know we'll eventually find a way around this copy-protection, I have no worries about that. What bothers me is the "Suck It Down!"(c) attitude BMG is taking on forcing people to buy new hardware if the disc doesn't work. I think they have the relationship between consumer and manufacturer switched. It's not like they are gracing our lowly presence, the hoi polloi, with goods they toss to us like slop to pigs.
"Here, this should be good enough for all of you. Too bad if you don't like it. Sooooooooooouuuuuuuiiiiiiiii!"
And yet they seem to act that way when trying to herd us all into something like this. I am a consumer, dagnabbit! I should be telling these companies what I want, and make sure they give it to me. It is the consumers who should be dictating where the market goes. But who is still listening to us? When did things change? Consumers have rights, use them!
Zech Harvey, MCSE, MCDBA, CCNA
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This is just getting more and more stupid. I'm not going to go download stuff from Kazaa just get, for one the effort it'd take to get it going in Wine combined with the general nastyness of the software and illegallity of it has put me off until now. I'm waiting for (and soon hopefully doing something about) the gift economy as a new model for music distribution, but there are quite a few technical and social hurdles to overcome first.
How long can the music industry keep this up though before what happened to Microsoft with Linux happens to the RIAA - the little people come out of the woodwork and come up with something new? Not long at this rate. Not long at all.
A quote from BMG's website:
Two years ago, on a worldwide basis, one digital copy was made for every three music CDs sold. Last year, that ratio had shrunk dramatically to one-to-two. In 2001, for every CD album sold, one copy was burned.
Actually the statistic I read is that in 2001 for every CD album sold, one CD-R disc was sold. Obviously we can't assume that every single CD-R disc sold in the world was used to copy a copyrighted CD. Based on my experience in statistics and research methods regarding sampling and surveys(Psych major),I'm fairly confident that no one will ever be able to claim how many CD-R's were actually used to copy copyrighted material, so any numbers they throw at us should not be believed.
My personal theory is that the surge of independent music(which is easily accesible on the internet)is really why the major labels sales are down. Not only is independent music usually better, but it's available for free on P2P's all the time(which is why killing Kazaa/Gnucleus/etc. would seriously hurt the independent musician, and give more power back to major labels). I guess I'm preaching to choir here at slashdot though.
It's probably a waste of time, but what the hey. There were only 1734 signers when I signed today - let's /. it! SIGN HERE!
"...One scratch could literally kill your CD."
Sounds like they want stem piracy and to increase cash flow by resales because of "SCRATCHED" CDs. That's what they liked about vinyl. When you just can't stand the POPS & SKIPS on "Dark Side Of The Moon" any more, you buy another copy. How did you think it stayed on the Billboard Top 100 for over 10 YEARS! Damn those seeds!!!
It also reduces the second-hand CD sales like Half.com. Some indipendent music stores were being pressured by the record companies not handle "Used CDs" (...or is it Perviously Owned?).
Any way you look at it, increased cash flow is the main motive. Buy once, buy often.
>> Practice Safe Hex
Arista Records
BMG U.S. Latin
Buddha
BMG Asia Pacific
J Records
Yclef Records
Logic
RCA Records
RCA Victor Group (includes Private Music, RCA Victor, Red Seal, and Windham Hill)
Robbins Entertainment
Zomba Label Group (includes Brentwood, Jive, Jive-Electro, Reunion, Silvertone, and Verity)
They also distribute ATO, Kinetic Records, Milan, Razor & Tie, Restless, Santuary Records Group, V2 and Wind-Up.
And I'm sure I've missed a few....
Kierthos
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
I agree, but to me it appears complex on the part of the buying public than that. Will John Q. Buyincds decide that he doesn't want to buy the new Avril Lavigne CD because it won't work in his existing CD player? Or will they buy another brand just to have the ability to get that new CD later on if they want it, just because some rogue music publisher asserts that their existing player is faulty (I say rogue meaning against the grain, they are certainly not an upstart)? In a perfect world, people would see the social responsibility involved, and would keep their existing, non-BMG-compliant readers or buy new ones, and just not buy BMG crippled CDs. Unfortunately, people nowadays tend to shrug off social responsibility in favor of convenience, so they might keep their Phillips player for now, but all external forces aside, probably buy a Sony or Kenwood CD player next time (assuming that those companies adhere to BMG standards).
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If they can pull it off in Europe (the hardest place to do it, thanks to EU governments being less friendly), they can pull it off anywhere.
Better than deciding your scheme works in the US and hitting a brick wall in Europe.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
No? Look at the aggressive line that they're taking. "These are RedBook CD's and the problem is in your player". You can bet your life that they'll pass this position on to retaillers and make it 100% clear that they won't be accepting "bad media" returns on these disks.
So try taking one of these crippled music disks back to MonstroMart and claiming that it doesn't play in your CD player. Last month they'd have taken it back (maybe), and that cost Bertelsmann money. This month, they'll trot out the "the fault is in your player" line like the loyal little appendages that they are and stonewall you, because of two things. One, they know that it's not like you've got a choice in how you obtain music in the future, because every store will be carrying crippled disks, and two, if it turns out that your daddy is a lawyer, they can always point the finger at Bertelsmann and claim that ze vere only obeying orders.
Those people predicting a drop in sales that will scare off other music behemoths need to take a clue pill. Mandy Music Buyer doesn't read The Register or Slashdot, and she won't know about these crippled disks until she buys one. She'll buy the disk, then find out that it's crippled. Sure, she'll be pissed off if she can't play it in her mom's SUV's CD player (Mandy Music Buyer is 12-18, remember), but what's she going to do? Stop buying music disks? Friends, if she's still buying them today, she's not going to switch to kazaa or gnutella tomorrow. She's going to keep buying them and whine at her mommy that the man at the music store said the SUV's CD player was broken.
And heck, let's say I'm wrong, and sales do take a noticable dip. What are BMG going to blame it on? Their own greed and stupidity? Hahahaha! I'll give you short odds on "global economy" or (more likely) that this proves that people are thieves and criminals, and that we need Fritz chips right now to preserve Truth, Justice and the American Way. It's win-win for them, and all our outraged ranting won't make it otherwise.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Exactly how does this work, slashdot wants to know. Do you lose part of the first track, and just how wide does the marking have to be? If I can read between the lines, the "crippling" involves munging the TOC data in some way? If it can't read this bogus data, I guess the player just starts playing tracks at the point it can read, thus treating it as a read error, and recovering the stream if it can. Is that about right?
Doesn't this also mean that you can still read off the disk as data (computer CD player), and ignore the bogus TOC data? Windows probably won't cooperate, but other OSs should, right?
I'd like to point everyone to cdbaby.com.
It's the best record store I've found anywhere. It's full of independent artists in every genre you could want. They have a sweet feature where you search for a band you like, say Limp Bizkit or POD, and it gives you independent artists like Stink!#Bug or Burning Edge. All the albums for sale have at least half of their tracks available to listen to before you buy.
If you aren't happy you can send your CD back for a full refund.
They even have a wide selection of jazz and classical performances.
I guess the artists get a pretty fat percentage of the profits from the CD. Much more than they would get if they were signed with a major label.
I'm not affiliated with CD Baby in anyway except as a very happy customer. Super happy. Happy happy happy. I've never been so happy about my relationship with a business.
If you are like me, you love music but don't support the rape of artists by major labels. CD Baby is the best place I've found to satisfy my cravings for great tunes. All of the CDs I've purchased from them played on my computer just fine, and ripped to ogg with no problems.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
I find this sentence especially amusing from the Bertelsmann's site :
"World music sales for the year 2001 fell by 5% in value and by 6,5% in units."
Blaming that music downloaders where the reason for the fell. I wonder if they remember that there was a recession in 2001, IT bubble broke and almost all industries fell into downswing. It would've been a miracle if CD sales hadn't dropped at all and 5% is LITTLE compared to the bankruptcies that other industries had to deal with.
(It's amazing that restaurants don't blame home cooks for the recession, stealing the recipes that they use, and using them free at home! can you see the analogy?)
Given that most artists (i.e. those that _write_ and record new music, not those that sing over the work some record company's producer, and dance in the video) probably don't care as much about the money as they do about getting their work heard, then this would probably be the most effective route to changing the record labels minds.
Frankly I don't care if the new CD of Abba covers from whoever won the 25th series of Popstars is copy protected, but if say Radiohead refused to produce more albums on a label because they crippled their cd's then some parts of the music industry will take notice.
Taking the Radiohead example further, their last two albums went straight into the charts at number 1, despite both being available on the net 4 weeks before their release. So I'm sure they know what mp3s can do for them.
I've just had a thought. Does anyone know how the supposed fall in CD sales breaks down between original albums and compilations? If all the drop in sales is attributable to the drop in sales of Now 78 etc. then that may actually be due to people burning compilations and/or piracy.
Dear Sir,
thankyou for clarifying the situation for me. My CD player cannot play the copy protected CD's and, due to poor labelling on CD's, I have had a lot of trouble knowing which CD's I shouldn't buy.
Now that I know all BMG produced CD's in Europe are to be copy-protected, it makes my purchasing easier; I'll stop buying CD's altogether. It's no hardship really, as the content on most of these CD's is not worth losing sleep over.
Yours sincerely
What do you mean, encoding?
The red book standard is as naked as it can be. Basically it provides for:
1) A TOC. Table of contents containing information on track start and stop time. Generally a lead-in and lead out apply, taking approximately 25 Mb space on the disc. The rest is reserved for the body of audio data.
2) Digital wave info. A 44.1 Khz stereo wave recorded digitally onto the CD's surface. This is done in a non-encoded (let's not get caught in the semantical discussion on digitising vs encoding, please... ) way. There's not even any ECC or EDC information in that scheme. The CDDA red book standard is a butt-naked RAW audio data standard.
The Red-book standard technically does not allow for fancy schmancy stuff such as mixed-mode discs, multiple sessions (which is how mixed mode is made) and such.
Adherence To The Specification WILL mean that a CD will be playable in any CD-player that has been made since 1981. Period. This is a non debatable point.
If you BUY their products, you will only encourage them.
But if you don't TELL them you've stopped buying their products, they assume it's just a sales slump, and devote more time, energy, and most of all MONEY to passing bad laws and trying to enforce copy-protection. After all, they already KNOW what causes sales slumps -- piracy and P2P applications. (Never mind the facts, they know the truth.)
So as I've said before (and nobody, apparently, was listening), it's not enough to just stop buying. You have to tell them about it, too.
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
I haven't bought many CDs in recent years, but I was just about to start again. I probably will buy one or two in the next weeks.
When I'm buying my CD, I will explain to them about this, and I want to know for sure that my computer can read it (it's the only CD player I have). I want a money back guarantee from them, or at least the right to swap my CD for another if it doesn't work. And if they refuse, I'll take my business elsewhere. It's not much, but there aren't many stores that don't care about selling stuff.
I want the stores to know that they're missing revenue and exactly why that's happening. They might ask their distributor for non-crippled CDs. That way at least my 'boycott' just might make some people aware of the quality of this idea.
I believe posters are recognized by their sig. So I made one.
A better solution would be to change the business model instead of trying to prevent people to copy CD's.
What are the reasons people currently make illegal copies of music:
1) CD's are too expensive.
2) The artist only sees a fraction of the price of a CD.
3) It is illegal, which makes it more attractive.
4) It is possible.
CD manufactures currently try to attack only the fourth reason instead of focusing on the other three (well, perhaps the third reason is hard to remove). Besides, when my ordinary CD player can read the disk, the CD player in my computer can do it as well, but maybe it requires a firmware upgrade.
A better solution would be to focus on the other reasons and change the business model used to sell CD's. For instance, I think it would be really great to surf the net, download music from the artist's website, pay a honest fee for it and burn it to CD myself. I believe there are many other people who download music in this fassion if a fair price was asked.
Of course, you still have the problem that music can be copied, but it is impossible to change that. The only thing that can be done is make it more difficult, but once someone circumvents the copy protection, it is totally worthless. Instead, music makers should focus on bringing the prices of music down and improve the experience people get while buying music.
Big problem, for the same reason they won't play in cdrom's these new cd's won't play in a spdif enabled cd audio player. The goal for the media companies is to keep us from having "perfect digital copies" What they fail to realize is 90+% of people don't care about perfect. If they did they wouldn't be trading 128 or 192 mp3's. The loss from a good analog audio cable is much less then the loss from a 128k mp3. Besides people used to copy tape to tape back in the day, if people find that level of quality exceptable then anything else should be fine. What the do end up doing is pissing off people like me who want to stick the cd they bought into the cdrom, have it ripped and tagged and then send it to our portable. I personally have an iPod and I rip everything at ~220k VBR using LAME, not something I can get off of kazaa or whatever.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
And heck, let's say I'm wrong, and sales do take a noticable dip. What are BMG going to blame it on? Their own greed and stupidity? Hahahaha! I'll give you short odds on "global economy" or (more likely) that this proves that people are thieves and criminals, and that we need Fritz chips right now to preserve Truth, Justice and the American Way. It's win-win for them, and all our outraged ranting won't make it otherwise.
... leading to ... show me this ogg-vorbis stuff you've been talking about!), "This is strange, I can't play the CD in the car but it works fine at home" (ah, you bought a crippled CD. Welcome to the future the Recording Cartels have planned for us ... you're only allowed to play that CD in specially authorized players), and so on.
You are right, our outraged ranting on slashdot won't make it otherwise.
However, our outraged ranting to our families, our friends, our coworkers, and our business associates (over beer, after work, etc.) will make all the difference in the world.
I have already shocked, appalled, and outraged numerous people simply by telling them what has been going on. It is particularly effective when it is done in response to "I think my PC is broken, it no longer plays my music" (oops, you saved your music in windoze media format and didn't unclick the DRM option. You won't be able to forget to do that in the next version of windows, because there won't be an option to unclick, everything will be 'protected.'
I have educated a pretty large number of non-savvy people about what is going on with the DMCA (Sklyrov, etc.), the RIAA (Janis Ian, Prince, etc. al documenting the recording industry's rape of artists AND consumers, etc.), and the MPAA (Fritz Disney Hollings et al), and they are pissed. Not at me, for ranting about technical issues they don't care about, but at these organizations and our hopelessly corrupt, wicked government. They are pissed because it has become painfully obvious that we do live under the tyranny of evil men, with apparently no way out, and they are sick of giving money to such.
So now they buy less CDs, attend less concerts, and go to less movies than before. Not a complete boycott like myself, but they are spending less and they are much, much more aware.
Which brings me to the the point of all this: there is one way in which WE, not THEY, can and should win:
Simply stop buying their crap.
Like music? Listen to independent artists ONLY. Do not buy any CDs from any record company, buy them direct from the artist or not at all. And if they are crippled, return them and publicly blacklist the artist for what they've done.
Like movies? Go see independent films only. If you cannot get over your pathetic addiction to the mindless bread and circuses of Hollywood, at least avoid seeing movies during the first two weeks of release (when most of the revninue goes to the studios), instead wait and see the movies in third or fourt weeks (when most of the revinue goes to the local thatre). Not as good as a proper boycott, but better than following the stampede.
In the end, though, is to simply be unforgiving of such people. Don't buy their stuff now, and don't ever buy it again. Get enough of your friends to feel likewise, and they will falter, even ultimately perish.
No one likes losing their freedom, and everyone sees it happening. Until now, they've only had the vague notion that 'the government' is taking away their freedoms and 'it doesn't seem to matter who we elect.'
Now there is a specific target for that ire, for that anger, a specific, relatively small group of companies that are actively, methodically, and deliberately stripping us of our freedoms, and use government collussion or, at best, apathy go do it.
And, unlike (most) governments, companies are something we as individuals can topple.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Why don't they just punch themselves in the balls now and get the pain over with? Producing a music CD that won't play on most music CD playing equipment out in the wild is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Sell your stock in these companies, fols, 'cause they're doomed.
But this is all so silly. Look, most people know the following..(you didn't? ok, now you do.)
The audio degradation experienced by ripping a CD via analog means (by either plugging in a cable into the line-out of the CD player and recording with any PC recording application, or using the 'Rip to Analog" feature of Musicmatch) is far less than the degradation produced by MP3 compression.
Since six years of MP3 has shown us that for the vast majority of people, even 160kbps MP3 encoding is "good enough," how will this stop their music from being pirated?
Very few people actually rip and upload...Gartner and Forrester both agree that 95% of mp3 content on P2P and other filesharing systems comes from less than 10% of the community. All you need is one guy to rip the content to analog, then upload. BMG will see no net reduction of pirating of their content.
Irnonically, the only ones to suffer from this inane decision are those who legitimately purchased the "CD." They will be plagued with a hobbled, limited-use product, which may actually convince them that P2P is actually a more convenient choice. No one else will even notice, as they will continue to download the content.
"The pie shall be cut in half and each man shall receive.....death. I'll eat the pie."
It is a widely recommended practice for parents with a small child to burn and use copies of their CDs, and keep the 'master' (the original CD) in a safe place.
To make matters worse, if what you say is true (and I have no reason to doubt it), I won't even be able to play the songs on my music system as the CD player clearly isn't 'standard' (though I fail to see what's more 'standard' than a mid-range Sony deck).
This leaves me with two options:
- Buy a new (crappier) CD player that only has analogue out. Copy my lovely digital CDs via analogue to my portable MD/computer thus loosing all the crispness of the original music.
- Skip buying the CD and just download the tracks via KazaaLite/Gnucleus. I get the same quality as 1) but save 12 quid each time!
What a brilliant business move! They'll be depriving me of high quality music, and themselves of any revenue! I wish I had an MBA and could think of such award winning ways of increasing shareholder value!You know, this "not a CD player" and "not a CD" spiel came off as propoganda at first, but it's pretty legitimate.
I've never purchased an audio CD in my life -- I don't own a single one (well, except for a hybrid CD, Marathon I, that also has the game music in Red Book).
I was thinking, recently, about possibly purchasing one, though I'd lose my reputation, but the rapid elimination of CDs has solved this at two levels -- I have far less interest in a CD-like device with no error correction, and even in the unlikely case I did purchase one, it wouldn't be a CD.
May we never see th
What do you mean, encoding?
Actually there is some encoding done, but not for protection reasons. EFM (Eight-to-Fourteen Modulation) represents every byte as a 14-bit number. The bits are arranged to maximize bandwidth usage and more evenly distribute the bits (so you don't have stretches where there are no pits/bumps on the disc).
The encoding is as simple as a lookup table, and is again designed only to maximize bandwidth. You can actually fit more data using 14 bits representing each byte than you can with 8, simply due to the physical characteristics of the media. Found a link with a bit of info. I guess technically Modulation is the word, but it is a form of encoding.
And there is some error correction in this (CIRC), also described at the link (not in much detail though).
I agree with your other points, though. These CDs can't be redbook compliant. I believe the redbook standard covers all aspects of the CD, from the data itself to the physical medium, though I haven't researched that in quite some time...
On that note, some newer Sony car stereos (two I have experience with, one from 1997 and one 2001) still have a very difficult time with burned CDs (yet I can play an audio CDRW in my $25 portable). Only if I burn at 2x and on particular brands of media (oddly, Sony CD-R's aren't one of them) will they play reliably.
I'm sure these "copy-protected" CDs would have trouble with these Sony units as well. I would have thought Sony of all people would have more robust CD units by now, but apparenlty they're using cheap (out-dated?) components... most CD/DVD players sold these days will read anything you can throw at them.
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In a recent public letter, the Rolling Stone disses the record company executives totally over this kind of crap.
Excerpts from the letter:
"Because of you, my kids will stop wasting time listening to new music and seeking out new bands."
"No more harmful exposure of thousands of bands through Internet radio, either."
"Don't worry, computers are just a fad anyway, and the Internet is just plain stupid."
What burns my britches is that this decision is in direct contradiction with well-established consumer rights in some countries.
For instance, in Cananda, I have the right to make verbatim copies of any media I want, as long as I am the owner of the original and do not allow more than one copy to be used at the same time. I'm pretty sure that I could legally burn 10,000 copies of any BMG title and use them to shingle my roof if I so desired (I wouldn't, but I could).
I'm also pretty sure that BMG is not allowed to restrict these rights.
The problem is that even though we have these pretty strong consumer rights in Canada, interest in protecting these rights by the government has eroded to the point where it is just a funny funny joke.
Another problem I have is that I do not buy CDs at the "big" stores. I purchase from a local music dealer who I have a good relationship with. If it was HMV I'd just return the CD and say "it don't work". I don't give a shit if BMG isn't going to reimburse HMV, because I'll stand there and power pout until I get my fscking way. I won't feel so good about doing that to a smaller retailer.
This actually happened recently when I picked up the latest "Queens of the Stone Age" and the CD wouldn't mount in my iBook. I wasn't even ripping or burning it. I was fscking trying to listen to the CD at the coffee shop. No, we can't have that, so it locks up the iBook CDRom player so hard I have to reboot to read any CD. I want to return it, but I'd feel bad going back to this great music store I found.
If I was feeling paranoid, I'd suggest that this tactic also has the effect of hurting smaller retailers more, leaving BMG, HMV &etc. with an even bigger share of the CD retailer market.
Reading this article has reminded me how much people suck. Grumble. Bitch. Complain.
-- clvrmnky
CDDA is a trademarked logo (owned by Philips?). If you have a non-defective CD with CDDA logo and a player with CDDA logo but not compatible with each other, then sue Philips. Trademark laws in USA says that either you protect your trademark or lose it. Either Philips have to publicly announce that CDDA logo doesn't guarantee compatibility or they would lose the trademark (for allowing improper usage).
What these schemes will accomplish is allow the industry to say to Congress, "Look, we tried copy prevention on our own, it didn't work, we need new laws that require DRM chips in everything."
(incidentally, Barbara Simons mentioned in a DRM session at Siggraph that she believed the DVD CSS cipher was deliberately made easy to break, as a similar form of entrapment)
Philips wants five thousand dollars for the Red Book, and requires that you sign an NDA. But if you want to learn the details you can buy the actual international standard, IEC standard 60908, for CHF 226 (about $156).
Other good sources of technical detail about the CD Audio format are:
- The Art of Digital Audio by John Watkinson
- Principles of Digital Audio by Ken Pohlmann
Both of these books provide fairly detailed explanations of the data format, but for the actual physical specifications you have to refer to the standard.