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Apple Gives Laptops Speed Bumps
sockit2me9000 writes "Apple released their new PowerBook today. They include faster processors across the board (up to 1GHz), Radeon 9000 GPUs, and the top-of-the-line model will include a slot-loading SuperDrive. Price points remain about the same. New iBook was released as well."
Honestly, no PC-based laptop can compete. Size, battery life, specs other than CPU speed....style
Now, if they'd put a serial port on the back, it comes with a UNIX-based doesn't it?!
Maybe a USB-serial converter would work. Can you say console access?
I have to say something that I never though I'd say: "These new Macs look great! They are relatively cheap, run *nix and have al the hardware you could wish for!"
My sincere congratulations to Apple for having swung around from being a stubborn, expensive brand to become a computer supplier that I like. I will concider an Apple next time I buy a computer!
Indeed, but for us Europeans, they have not realized that now $1 is very close to 1. I expected Apple to put roughly the same pre-tax cost on both sides of the pond. No way, it's about 10% more. To the point that it may be worth a trip to NYC to buy a fully loaded PowerBook.
$999 for pretty decent specs, and it doesn't even look like a see-n-spell any more. I want one.
If you're going to be elitist, it would help to be elite.
All laptops are now $200(USD) cheaper than before.
You can return them. Apple has a 10 day return policy (if they're opened though, you'll have to pay a restock fee).
Interesting that this makes a portable Apple's ENTRY LEVEL option. The low-end ibook is the cheapest apple you can buy.
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Hey, Pudge, where I live, speed bumps are used to slow people down. I couldn't figure out why in the hell Apple would want to slow their laptops down.
Mayhaps you were looking for "speed boost" or "speed increase"?
I wonder when they iBook is gonna be given the dignity of a G4 processor. The life of the G3 has been remarkable but I can't help thinking that it has been stretched out not by virtue of the chip itself but rather because Apple is having trouble getting better and faster chips from Moto (hence the IBM PPC rumors recently).
This is pretty cool, especially for the TiBook. I'm sure video houses will appreciate the superdive to let them make rough cuts on the road and share them.
Now, sadly, my TiBook is no longer state-of-the-art. I can tell its feelings were hurt: this morning it ask me if it looked fat.
Be advised that Apple (well, the Apple Store) has a "no return" policy if you change any configuration, such as adding more memory or a bigger hard drive.
I know this because I wanted to exchange my 15" iMac for a 17" iMac. They didn't want to do it because I had ordered my iMac with extra memory. I had to talk to a manager who not only accepted the exchange, but waived the stocking fee. Their staff was courteous and professional, but persistence pays.
MOSR has been irrelevant in the rumors "industry" (in my opinion) since they completely missed the boat on the iMac all those years ago. Their "rumors" tend to come from pie-eyed "what-if" scenarios snarfed form IRC these days.
There's much better Mac rumor sites out there - MacRumors and Macslash being two of them.
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Note: I am not bashing Apple here. I have owned Macs.
How far can you really get with OS X and the 128MB these Powerbooks ship with? OS X is great, but the prevailing opinion is that it's more memory hungry than Windows. (It's quite possible that this is a myth. Reviewers love to say dumb things like "I highly recommend that you upgrade to 512MB if you plan on doing more than simple word processing.")
I'll add, of course, that 128MB uses less power than 256MB, which is important for laptops.
This is the computer I've been waiting for--everything I want all in one tight little package. My only question is with regard to that quoted battery life. I'd expect that's an extreme limit, with the lowest possible power consumption configuration. So can I watch an entire DVD on a single battery charge? I'm expecting to be doing some trans-Pacific flights in the near future, and those 18 hours would go by a whole lot faster if I could watch my own movies. For you double-E's out there, I've seen rumors that Apple is working on a new battery, but that it probably wouldn't find it's way into Apple's portables for at least another 6 months (and I presume that's optimistic). What's the likelihood that a new battery would be compatible with the current hardware architecture?
A somewhat nicer model with the 800mhz G3, a DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive and the same 640mb of RAM lists for $1489. That gets you a very potent UN*X box with a lot of wonderful features, a lovely OS, and a massively high portability level.
All this, and an amazing attention to detail as well. Really, switching to Apple is like moving from Chevy to BMW. Sure it may not stack up on paper (horsepower per dollar, etc) but you can end up with an incredibly friendly machine that's a pure pleasure to use! Do yourself a favor and go check 'em out if you've been on the fence.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
but I've used a (current) top'o the line TiBook - and it flies. I'm not talking about benchmarks (I know - sacrilege here), just how it feels. The tech-lust gene kicks in a big way when you have your hands on the keyboard. you feel like you're piloting a titanium Lear jet. I know this sounds like a commercial (modders, do your worst..), but the combination of the Ti and the iPod is like a dream come true for me (more so when I upgrade my 550). OS X - Classic - Unix - Virtual PC - and with 6 (count 'em) SIX - unabridged books (from Audible.com) in my iTunes which autosync (and bookmark my spot!) to iPod ranging from A.C. Clarke to business to Ayn Rand.
Closest I've come to tech Nirvana...
Sorry...I'm tech drunk - I've said too much - (but you're some of the few people in the world who can understand).
Forgive me.
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Apple would never have used such a title.
No, but the new "windtunnel" PowerMacs have speed holes. They make the mac go faster.
Somewhere in the heavens... they are waiting.
Apple Computer on Wednesday updated its entire portable line, most notably adding its first PowerBook capable of burning DVDs.
The PowerBook line now includes an 867MHz model, available now for $2,299, and a 1GHz model that can both burn and read CDs and DVDs. That model will be available later this month for $2,999.
"This is what our customers have been waiting for," Greg Joswiak, Apple's vice president of hardware marketing, said in a statement. He noted that the new PowerBook is the first notebook with a slot-loading drive that can burn DVDs.
As expected, Apple also bumped up the speed of all of its iBooks by 100MHz while dropping the price of each model by $200. The consumer portables also sport improved graphics now, using ATI Technologies' Mobility Radeon 7500 chip with up to 32MB of graphics memory.
With the faster ATI chip, the iBook can now take advantage of the improved Quartz Extreme graphics engine built into the latest version of Mac OS X.
The three iBook models consist of a $999 model with a 700MHz chip, a 12.1-inch screen, a CD-ROM drive, 128MB of memory and a 20GB hard drive; a $1,299 model with an 800MHz chip, a 12.1-inch screen, a combination CD-rewritable/DVD-ROM drive, 128MB of memory and a 30GB hard drive; and a $1,599 model with an 800MHz chip, a 14-inch screen, a CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, 256MB of memory and a 30GB hard drive.
As for the PowerBooks, the low-end model comes with a CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, 256MB of memory and a 40GB hard drive. In addition to the DVD burner, the high-end model includes 512MB of memory, a 60GB hard drive and a preinstalled Airport card for wireless networking.
The proliferation of categories is pretty silly, ...
but
this is a unix-focused site to some extent. And
Apple ships more unix than any other manufacturer.
So it stands to reason that we'd talk about them
here.
Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
The majority of the processing needed in modern pcs is in fact for all the graphics. So it makes perfect sense to have a faster GPU than CPU - that's where the horsepower is needed. Even if you're doing relatively computationally intense work (I run statistical analyses daily) the requirement still don't add up to the level required to run Aqua or WinXPs graphics.
Remember the Amigas? Positively legendary machines, and for good reason, they were designed this way. The CPU wasn't much at all by modern standards, but it was enough to do what it needed to do just fine (and, in all honesty, enough to handle the non-graphical computations done on most pcs to this day.) The Video Toaster was capable of working pretty much independant of the CPU, and it had a lot more horsepower... the end result was a machine that surpassed PCs made many years later in real functional power.
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1. Mac OSX: It's Unix at the core with an easy interface and access to the technical guts if you want it. The interface is clean and more intuitive than most.
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2. Stability: On average(in my educated opinion in working with both Windows and Macintosh), Macs are more stable and recover from inevitable catastrophe better. There is also the general Total Cost of Ownership argument. Macs h ave, in many trials, proved to have a lower one on average.
3. Respite from Microsoft: Looking at the high proliferation of viruses, the security issues and Microsoft's openly shady business practices, one of my reasons is that I simply don't trust Microsoft.
4. Preference. Just because someone tells you one thing is better, it doesn't mean that it will be best for all.
In general, games are not that much an issue when many Mac users just buy a cheap PC optimized toward gaming for what doesn't come to Mac and do their real work on a Macintosh. To many, PCs seem to equate to toys and I'm not one to argue with that assertion as one of the most common arguments for sticking with Windows is games.
I use Macintosh because I get less aggravation from them. I have a little PC laptop that I use to play games that I can't get on Macintosh. I'm willing to wait to get games on my preferred platform, case in point Neverwinter Nights. The PC version is out with the Mac version pending. But I'll be waiting for the game to come on my platform of choice because I like using Mac better and I want to show support for my platform.
Hope this helped, though I'm sure some could come up with more points.
Kalen D'arrie
yeh, not to mention that the bottom of the range laptop costs $999 in the US and £849 in the UK (more than US$1300).
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Anyone else see the name on the DVD the next to the laptop on apple.com? it read: "Winter in Whistler". I sense a swipe at Windows XP!
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Excuse me, the reason I can afford a Mac is that I work therefore that makes me in the "working class". What you are talking about is that "Slashdot Class" -- a group of people that think its a sin to pay for anything. Which makes the best notebook for you the one found in the dumpster behind a fortune 500 company. Instead of using the Windows 2000 Pro install already on it, you fdisk the harddrive and install Gentoo Linux so you can show it off at your next meeting of the 2600 club complete with Anarchy and Calvin peeing on the Windows logo stickers.
For the rest of us in the "working class", Apple has produced some awesome notebooks at a reasonable fee. Where is the PC Notebook that burns DVDs? What Linux distro supports that?
News Flash: Major computer vendors coming out with faster, less expensive models, better features in the next six months!
1) AMD and Intel have both embraced Microsoft's Pallaadium "trusted" computing nonsense, which may quite possibly be leveraged lock free operating systems out of the platform at some point in the future. IBM and Apple in contrast ARE NOT DOING THIS (at least at present), giving us the very ironic possibility that it will be Apple hardware in the future that is open (and able to dual boot alternative operating systems) and NOT Intel/AMD.
2) The laptops have noticably longer battery life than their equivelent Intel counterparts
3) and snazzy 16:10 displays...
4) The high end model now comes with a DVD-RW burner and software
5) The OS is Unix-like. Dual boot OS X with Gentoo PPC GNU/Linux, and you have the best of all possible worlds.
That last point is the most important. My next laptop will almost certainly now be an Apple, with the DVD-RW burner. Of course, I'm not going to order them until shipping times become a couple of days, rather than a month, and I'll probably prefer just going to the store to buy one I can take home with me, but with this new release the Intel platform, with its Microsoft pre-installed crap (that I blow away anyway), its short battery life and no non-external DVD-RW burning options, has lost me as customer. Palladium has likely made that loss perminent.
So yes, unlike many such promotional stories, I think this is a big deal, it is certainly News for Nerds, and for many readers, myself included, it is certainly Stuff That Matters.
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Don't fall into the Mhz myth, the clock speeds on these things are lower, but they get more work done in a clock cycle too.
That said, they're still a little slower in terms of work done per second than the fastest Intel has, just not nearly as much so as you may think looking at the clock speeds. But it doesn't really matter all that much. CPU speed is just one factor of overall performance, and with a good design it doesn't need to be nearly as fast as it would on a poorer design. The design on the Macs really is much better, the bottlenecks aren't as bad, and they have plenty of power where it counts. Think of it as finesse vs. brawn in comparison with your typical Intel/AMD system, where the surfeit of CPU speed is used to overcome a basically less efficient design. Consider that probably over 90% of the computation done on a pc these days is concentrated in the graphics rendering, and the look at how much more efficiently the mac handles that - all the way from a GPU which is faster than the CPU to the Altivec system in the CPU, which beats the hell out of MMX/SSE and all that.
I'm typing this on a TiBook now, a 666 Mhz G4, and believe me, when I put it up against a new Intel based notebook it won't take the speed crown, by any means, but it's close enough that I don't really care. It will outperform Intel notebooks with over twice the clockspeed quite handily on most tasks, and when you look at things like the screen and the cd-rw/dvd drive... Apple was overpriced once but it's changed. You'd be very hard pressed to find an intel notebook with the same features in the same weight-class much cheaper. And OS X beats WinXP in nearly every category for my money. Easier to use, prettier, AND more powerful under the good as well... tcsh or bash beats cmd.exe any day.
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Excluding my grandma who is sysadmin in a linux-only rendering farm (that's a joke), Apple is the only option consumers have to WinTel. Apple's tenacity, inventiveness, and rich *nixy-goodness is why Apple is the darling of the computing world these days, even at 6% market share.
I'm not trolling, but I'm guessing you've not yet used a recent (4 years) machine made by Apple. (My apologies if I've put my foot in my ignormaus. Apple is becoming a favorite among newly converted geeks because they produce good stuff and because they're finally starting to get it: *nix, Photoshop, Apache, SSH, MS Office. Apple's laptops have no WinTel equivalent. The interaction between the command line and Aqua is something at which to gawk.
On a less preach-to-the-choir note, is it so different than announcments for minor revisions of relatively arcane (if beloved) open source software? Not that I'm saying such posts are bad, but that it might be the nature of the Slashdot beast.
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Don't forget that (almost?) all European countries charge quite a bit of VAT (all that healthcare etc doesn't come for free!) In Belgium that's 20.5% on luxury items (which includes electronic products), I guess it's similar in other EU countries.
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I've never had a machine that I liked using as much.
The thing that makes a big difference for me is that the internationalization is seamless; right now, I'm converting a PHP app from English to Japanese. Using my iBook I can open the files from the Linux server using samba and easily convert the strings in the text editor that comes with Os X. If I have to do other editing to the code, I prefer vi, which comes standard. SSH is right there for me. My shell works the way I need it to, without installing Cygwin.
I have 4 computers on my desk - Redhat/Japanese Windows dualboot IBM Thinkpad, 2 NT Workstations (Eng. & Jp.) and my iBook. I could use any of them that I wanted, but the iBook is what works best for me. (The RedHat box comes close, but I've tweaked the hell out of it to get it just right - it would take weeks to set up another box the same way, whereas I could pick up another iBook and replace this one instantly.)
The suite of "iApps" (iCal, iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iEtc...) are a joy to use, better than anything you can get for Windows. Really. Mail filters out spam perfectly for me out of the box. Viruses? Not even an issue.
Plus, every app looks great. I stare at the computer all day at work, it might as well look good. Let's face it, Windows is tired-looking, even XP, which to me looks cartoonish and pathetic.
As for games, I wouldn't know - I haven't got time for them.
After a while, you get to the point where you'll be happy to pay a bit more for a machine that actually works.
Oh, yeah, BATTERY LIFE. Sweet.
Cheers,
Jim
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So as not to be a complete ass, the first link from that article as a statement that a P4 overclocked to 3.9GHz (wow--he used liquid nitrogen) was only able to do 4.9 Gigaflops. A dual-G4 1GHz did 15 Gigaflops...
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
I looked for it on the web site, but I didn't see a mention about USB 2.0 support. Since external FireWire storage devices seem to be getting driven out of the market place (judging from my local Staples and CompUSA) it would have been nice to see this feature.
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US version
$2299 867mhz
$2799 cdrw
$2999 superdrive
European version
2988 867mhz
3682 cdrw
3945 superdrive
IF you can get a flight for less than $1000 you're saving money.
This is proof that Apple still has a ways to go. If their changes were that radical, nobody would wait for "...next time I buy a computer.." and would actually do it NOW.
Radical or not, I, like most people, have to wait until I have the money to actually buy it in order to, well, buy it. I'm going to shoot for the entry iBook the next time I buy a computer because that's when I'll have the money to do it.
Besides, what moron goes out and gets a new computer when their current one works just fine? I have a PowerMac G4/450 that's over three years old and it runs 10.2 at a more than acceptable speed ("damn fast") and is no where near needing an upgrade. I'm only getting the iBook because I need an iBook. There are those people that buy things for the sake of having them and then there are those that buy when there is a need. Obviously the previous poster does not need a new computer now. The fact that he is waiting is not a statement on Apple's ability to market or make a product but a statement on the efficiency of the poster with regard to his possessions and money.
Hmm, a mature attitude towards something on Slashdot. Anyone else feel that cold draft come out of the cracks of Hell?
Well, I seemed to have lucked out with my first Apple purchase. One of the first e-mails I looked at this morning:
Yup, that's right. My bad luck, I just ordered an iBook last week. This is a *very* cool move by Apple... they simply canceled my old order (for the low end model) and swapped in a new order (for the low end model). I'm saving $200 + tax on this, and getting a faster model.
Quick note for those who recommend gobs of RAM... that's done and done. Same day I ordered the iBook, I placed an order with Coast To Coast Memory for an addition 512 MB. $95 after tax and shipping, and it's already here.
That's the downside... I wanted the laptop this week. At least they had a good excuse for not getting it to me. :)
Wow, Apple achieved the difficult goal of adding the portable superdrive. Cool!
But Apple has been touting the virtues of BlueTooth for nearly a year (January MacWorld) and no machine yet has it built in? They didn't even add it to their new PB? What gives? Steve, hello; are you listening to your own hype? How about walking some of that talk?
Radeon 9000 --- finally. I guess I'm still waiting for their BT portables. Get rid of the dongle. At least they finally are including the 802.11b adapters with two of the three configurations (a first!). That should be built-in standard as well (for all portables).
Apple has done a pioneering and hassle-free job of integrating wireless and BT. With their hub strategy, you'd think they'd tout all that awesome work by shipping standard to take advantage of 802.11b and BT.
Fingers crossed for next edition PB (including BT and 802.11b (802.11g?)).
The lower classes need something affordable, dependable, and proven, and for this reason we will continue to stick with PC manufacturers such as GateWay 2000 and DELL. I hope Apple figures this out soon.
(Gateway dropped the "2000" bit three years ago.)
The lowest priced iBook is $999. Dell's lowest priced model is $899, and Gateway's lowest priced model is $999. They've hardly got Apple beat on the "value laptop" end.
And, like a different poster said... if you're sturggling along doing dock work, what do you need a shiney new laptop for?
It's been my experience that the hard-numbers I've found, when taken alone, still don't seem to answer the question. Even the most seemingly objective benchmarks can be argued either way - there's just too much religion on the subject.
Bottom line, you have to decide for yourself. If you know someone with a Mac, ask 'em if you can play around for an hour, or go hang out at CompUSA or an Apple store and bug the folks there for an hour.
I'm biased, I converted from PC after years of using Windows and a brief and generally positive flirtation with Linux (Rehat's 6.2 thru 7-ish). I have a dual-gig G4 tower and I NEVER notice a speed problem, my daughter has a 600Mhz G3 iMac and it's slowish - BUT, what are you going to use it for?
I know a developer here where I work who works all day on an older G4 Powerbook laptop - he loves it. I myself use my Mac for coding in Java and it's awsome, I love the fact that I can run just about any Java-related open source project I want. That being said, I'm sure there are uses where the Mac won't be the best choice, and there is the issue of making sure all your favorite software has a Mac version, and re-buying if you use commercial apps.
If I had the spare cash, I'd be buying that new 1Ghz Poerbook right now!
"That naive cube! How long must I suffer this!" --Sheldon J. Plankton
What is "proprietary" about Apple's hardware, and how is it different from the "proprietary" hardware that Dell, Sony, and Gateway sell?
Oh, I see you're an ignorant troll. Nevermind.NetInfo connection failed for server 127.0.0.1/local
Standard Anti-Apple Rant #14. I won't even bother (I don't think $999 is expensive).
The Unix-side of OSX was updated to 4.4 with Jaguar.
First, what is "non-native" hardware? Secondly, what's so proprietary about IDE drives, SDRAM, Firewire, OpenFirmware (OK - that's not hardware per se) or PPC?
You know, not everybody on Slashdot is a stark raving mad zealot misspelling "Microsoft" intentionally.
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Yea but he said 5 kids! Unless his wife was popping them out like a machine gun, I doubt they were all concieved during the economic boom of the late nineties.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
I made my iBook my main home machine about 3 months ago and it was relatively painless. Getting used to not pressing Ctrl was the hardest task.
Without knowing exactly what you do, the best answer is 'it depends'. Your main expense may well be replacing software that you have used on the PC - which could work out VERY expensive. If you have a lot of PC software you might want to think about getting a Windows emulator to help you continue working as you replace software with Mac applications.
Microsoft are offering good deals on Office X right now which eases the pain of buying what for many of us is an essential product.
Remember, OSX has a very nice little mail program thrown in for standard, AppleWorks is a perfectly competent office application if you don't need all the features of Office and naturally you have a browser included. There is a DVD player, the very lovely iTunes, iPhoto, iCal and iChat and a CD burner. For many people this will be all the productivity software they ever need. (Assuming that you consider that DVD player to constitute 'productivity' :) )
Best wishes,
Mike.
The PowerBooks are pretty easy to work on. I've upgraded the Harddrive, memory, and recently even swapped the g3/400 processor card for a g4/500 card in my Bronze Powerbook. The processor upgrade took 15 minutes which included the time required to watch the quicktime video that stepped through the process..
Actually, if you're a student in the US, you can get a high-end TiBook for $2400! You just need to pay for a 1 year membership as a student developer ($99), and then you can order through their ADC Hardware Purchase Program.
Details:
Student Developer Membership
Student Hardware Purchase Program
TiBook in the Hardware Purchase Program
I've avoided Apple computers all my life. I have worked with all flavors of Unix (except HP-UX), Windows, DOS, and OS/390 in my short career (I'm 24). However lately I noticed that more and more people have iBooks and tiBooks at meetings, conferences, and generally everywhere I go. I work for a largish university (PSU) and am involved in several consortiums like internet2, Educause, etc.
:) So yeah, I never took apple seriously until about a year ago, but now I'm pretty impressed with them and see them making a comeback (if nowhere else, certainly in higher education).
Lately I gave in and started inquiring what all the fuss was about and learned about OS X and started following apple a little closer. Well, to make a long story short, I'm typing this slashdot comment on a flat panel iMac
I still use the other operating systems for servers and whatnot, but I will probably end up using OS X as my primary desktop once it gets a little more polished (as cool as it is, it still has a ways to go, but I have no doubt it will get there)
Finkployd
Not only did they release the new upgrades -- they contacted those of us that have placed orders which have not shipped yet and offered us an upgrade. Granted -- the upgrade offered was "at no additional cost" even though the new system cost $400 LESS! I pointed that out and they made the necessary adjustments :)
WAY TO GO APPLE!
Next time you should listen to the people talking about the releases or pay attention to Apple's release schedual. The laptop line has been in need of a revanmp for a while now, and I've been saying it for a while. I actualy expected them in september, but hey, even November is within their average time frame.
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The most fun I had last year was making up a rumor out of thin air and sending it to MOSR. I waited a few days and then sent him a similar rumor from a different email address. Two days later he printed it word for word and then went on to say "multiple sources have confirmed blah blah blah".
Needless to say, I'm wracking my brains to come up with a good one to send him prior to MacWorld in January.
...Firewire's life is and will be driven by DV cameras not external disks. As long as the cam manufacturers continue to use Firewire (and Sony is going to, rest assured), then USB will not kill Firewire.
Besides, recent test results have shown that USB may not be the Firewire killer it's touted to be in real-world situations.
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