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Boosting Battery Life For RISC Processors
prostoalex writes "National Semiconductor and ARM Holdings will jointly develop the power management solution for RISC chips, that they estimate will improve battery life by 25-400%. The target date of the first sample product is Q2 2003." My old Tadpole laptop sure could have used this. I counted myself as lucky when I got a whole 45 minutes out of a battery.
I once had this link to research done on cpus, which are designed from the ground up to be VERY low power. Consider this: they saved power at the *gate* level!
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25-400%? why not just say 0 to aleph-0%...
.. remember when Palm was holding out from introducing colour devices because of worries about battery life? (or so they claim).
Combine this with fuel-cell power packs, which is now approved by the DoT and is already in use on some airlines (BA), this means....
Pitching my PDA against the onboard computer in an Othello death match! YaY!
Michel
Fedora Project Contribut
When developing portable devices the most limiting factor today is not processing resources, memory or anything such. It is simply the power source.
Batteries of today are either too weak or too heavy. How ofter does one have to choose between a slim-line battery or an ultra-long life.
There have been many suggestions for competing technologies such as fuelcells, harvesting of motion energy and solar cells to mention a few. But still, they have proven to be too expensive, large or have some other problem (such as not being ready for production use yet). Hopefully these one of these, or any other, portable power sources will make it possible to carry real computing power without having to carry a heavy battery pack.
The solution today is to reduce the power usage. This can be done by shutting down parts of the clock trees in the CPUs, or by using Intel's PowerStep (i.e. two working speeds), or Transmetas's variable voltage and frequency technology, LongRun. As the article lacks technical details we can only guess about the techniques used behind the PowerWise solution. Also, the figures 25-75% efficiency gain is most probably measured under special conditions.
But, in order to avoid sounding too negative, it seems like the industry has realized the problem and are working for a solution. I feel that most of today's solutions (power saving) are just a cure for the symptoms (bad battery time), not for the cause (bad battery technology).
According to the article:
Arm's Intelligent Energy Manager solution implements advanced algorithms to optimally balance processor workload and energy consumption, while maximizing system responsiveness to meet end-user performance expectations.
Transmeta's only claim to fame for their chips was using software to reduce power consumption, and it worked -- obviously, the Intelligent Energy Manager is just a ripoff of Transmeta's design. Linus should sue.
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http://www.arm.com/news/powerwise1111
They're basically targetting mobile phones and similar embedded systems like PDAs, because this is where ARM's main market share is at the moment. They say that they're looking at a more system-wide approach than is currently used, and they want to standardize the embedded software/hardware interface as part of this.
Also, note that "samples available Q2 2003" doesn't necessarily mean actual silicon. ARM doesn't make chips, they license their designs out to other companies which use them as a basis for an actual chip, so a "sample" quite likely means a software simulation. Actual devices which use this technology probably won't be around until 2004 at least.
IBM & Apple? I *seem* to recall the PowerPC architecture is RISC-based...
"...that they estimate will improve battery life by 25-400%."
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I always thought RISC was inferior, that's why it lost out to CISC and went the way of the dodo. Who wants a reduced instruction set anyways? That's why it always lagged in the floating point benchmarks. I look forward to the day when our CISC processors are even better equipped - with an instruction for every conceivable operation.
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In line with the low-power paradigm gaining momentum within CPU designs, asynchronuous design is often mentioned in the context of battery life. Apparently, the ARM processor seems to be the (only) architecture used for innovative CPU designs.
Is this really the case, and if so, why? (Obviously CISC architectures are far too complicated to fine-tune in a drastic manner - other than building a Crusoe-like RISC chip and emulating the whole thing.)
Moreover, is power consumption (and not primarily performance) after all those years, going to be the criterium that's going to decide the RISC-CISC issue in favour of RISC?
From the Acorn to the Game Boy Advance, ARM still rules.
In typical usage, there is a lot of time that the CPU is doing nothing. Design one that can take snoozes for as little as a millisecond at a time with insignificant latency and you can save a lot of power.
It is a simple question of market laws. The x86 architecture is the ruling class, therefore it gets most of the research money, and as a results has the fastest running processors.
When the ARM came out, it blowed the 386s (The top x86) and 68020's out of the water. We were talking 3-4 times faster. And when the ARM3 came out with it's cache, it really kicked 386 ass.
And remember the Alpha? Another RISC design that was way ahead the rest. The only one left is the PowerPC family, still holding on to the x86 juggernaut.
And programming the ARM was a bliss. 13 general purpose registers, the barrel shifter. (Do a arthimetic and shift in the same instruction) Conditonal branching... It was a real joy. The x86 assembler is what programmers do in hell.
J.
That's a nice range there.
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My Z88 already gives me 20+ hours of use on 4 AA batteries, but I want something more powerful than 3.3MHz Z80!
That would make PPC's and Power4's even more attractive!
I swear by MacOS X. Although I use to swear *at* MacOS 9...
come on people
you just turn off the part of the core when you dont need it
not a really taxing idea (transmeta intel MOT and IBM all do the same in various ways)
but putting anything to silicon is always hard so kudos
john 'MIPS' jones
Jipping sold you a tadpole?
> My old Tadpole laptop sure could have used this.
I think the type of RISC processor might have something to do with the power consumption. ARM has always concentrated on frugal at the expense of fast.
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The plural of "ho," therefore, would be "hos": in context, you'd say "I needs to know where my hos be at."
But that still doesn't seem right. When I see "hos," I want to pronounce it "hoss," as in "rhymes with DOS."
Therefore, the proper formation of plural for "ho" should be "ho's." A properly phrased usage would be as follows: "Them be some smoove spliffs and some funky-ass ho's."
When using slang, it's important to be grammatically correct.
To think, one day I could get more than four hours of battery life out of my Pocket PC. . (Yeah, I bought one. I was young and stupid. Don't judge me....)
You're giving statistics a bad (worse) name. Get your HomerStats straight, that was 14%.
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Remember before the sniper hit DC? How all we heard about was kidnappings? Well guess what, there are less kidnappings in 2001-2002 than there have been in the last 10 years. But it makes a good human interest story, doesn't it? And your precious FOX and every other news media copied this crap, which begun in People magazine, by the way. Do you like getting your news from People?
If it is improving battery performance by 25% then you would get a 1/4 of the battery life. Is this supposed to be 125% the battery life, or 25 times the battery life? Perhaps this is 1/4 the consumption, but then what the hell is the 400% doing there?
I hate when people put numbers that make no sense. Look I just 'improved' my processor speed between 5% and 1,100,000% with clock speed settings! Wow...
Actually, I pulled out the episode and watched it... it's "forfty" percent...
I really hope they won't do something like "ACPI for ARM". ACPI basically requires a big interpreter in the kernel which will execute code from the BIOS. When you know how buggy BIOSes are, and when you see the actual tendency to design hardware/software to deprive users's rights, you want an open system where software is a sort of "reference design" and is replaceable.
You have to take the unknown value of x hours of battery consumption and apply it to the estimated average of the inverse expected increase in n.
.26ths of an hour increase in average expected battery life, or about 15 minutes. This is how you keep your job as an engineer... :)
x = 1/n(25%/400% - y) where y = battery life now (say 4 hours).
x = 1/n(16% - 4) [.16 - 4 = -3.84)
x = 1/n(-3.84)
1/3.84 = n
[this is a joke. this is only a joke. these numbers may be interperated by completing the square in a quadratic equation]
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Risc Os 5 in a new true 32 bits version will soon be available for Xscale CPU desktop systems. It could mean a second life for an OS that was developed by Acorn at the same time when they started the ARM development. It shows that ARM isn't just for embedded applications. The lean and mean approach of ARM has its equivalent in Risc Os. There's a trend towards desktop systems with less heat and sound, energy saving isn't bad then.
http://www.riscos.org/cgi-bin/news?days=
http://www.iyonix.com/Launch/winapc1.html
...Batteries don't care if your CPU is RISC, CISC, chicken feathers, or satin. Would a better title be, "Reducing power use in RISC, to save battery life"?
for all these damn toys? Geez, let a guy in on the secret so I can play around too :)
Hey, guys:
Just to pitch in on the "battery life" line of thought, I've got a bunch of old laptops whose batteries have (ahem) "gone the way of all flesh". With a little reverse engineering, I figured out which posts in the battery compartment actually delivered power to the laptop, and hooked up a Tandy radio control car battery (7.2v, 3000 mAh, which is almost the same as the original laptop battery) via a couple of spade clips and a couple of inches of soft copper wire.
I can put the laptop to "sleep", swap out batteries, and wake it up, for instance. Batteries give me GREAT working time, three hours per charge (six hours if I use the power saving features and turn off the LCD backlight) and they charge up in only an hour with the quick charger.
Best of all, each battery costs 34.99, and the patch connector costs 1.99. The quick charger was like, fifty bucks. The batteries are NiMH type, by the way.
MY POINT: if you're not getting good battery life out of that old laptop, break out your dusty EE texts and wire up a new battery setup. Modern batteries work great when you "repurpose" 'em.
P.S. How to reverse engineer the battery posts:
DISCLAIMER:
YOU FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS AT YOUR OWN
RISK. If you blow it, you might just fry your
laptop. I have no money whatsoever, and I just
warned you, so PLEASE don't get pissed at me if you
cause some kind of calamity or kill your PC. Ok?
Most laptops I've seen have five or more spade connectors which the battery clips onto. Working in pairs, see which connectors have continuity between them using a digital multimeter. You might find pairs of connectors which have zero resistance between them -- they are in essence a single connector. My laptops, for instance, turned out to have five connectors which were "actually" three connectors. Next, plug the laptop in and see what voltage is across the connectors. You should have one connector which is at a lower voltage than either of the others -- treat that one as ground. Then, the remaining connectors will be at different voltages relative to this quasi-ground. Take notes about this. Finally, unplug the laptop and connect a low voltage, maybe 7 volts, to the posts you just wrote about and see which pair makes the laptop "wake up", observing the same polarity you noticed earlier. Be cautious, maybe going from low voltage up to whatever voltage the "real" laptop battery was at (look this up via Google Search). Eventually, you'll figure out which posts you have to supply power to, and you'll be able to wire up a new battery to replace the old one.
BTW: PLEASE don't try this unless you know what you're doing! But if you're a techie, you might want to give it a whirl.
I keep forgetting that this is slashdot. The original suggestion of "ho's" was supposed to be a joke. Of course it's wrong. But who here'd notice? My bad. I'll save the grammar jokes for alt.english.usage.
Sad, but impressive research. 14% appeared to be the most widely-reported, but I see "forfty-five," too -- where's the official transcript (is your tape subtitled)?!? One-third of Simpsons fans might worry about this, but the other three-quarters wouldn't.
This proves the internet is just a giant game of telephone.
By Google happenstance, here's The National Review's take on the show -- and they're amused. Not a journal I normally associate with friendly mirth, but I guess The Simpsons brings us all together. Couldn't resist sharing.
You're confusing state-of-the-art hydrogen fuel cells with plain old zinc-air batteries.
Those itsy-bitsy-run-for-days-on-alcohol fuel cells aren't available commercially yet. The Electric Fuel product is not what everyone else thinks of as a fuel cell, despite the marketing hype; it's a zinc-air battery, a technology that's been around for many years. Many hearing aids use them. You can buy their batteries in many electronic stores, together with adapters that connect them to cellphones and PDAs; I have one for use with my Treo.
Once you open the package, the battery runs for a limited time. You can stick it back in the package to "suspend it" for a while, but it cannot be recharged, and the capacity isn't much higher than most conventional batteries. When it's dead, you throw it out, like an alkaline battery.
Compare this with a micro fuel cell that uses hydrogen extracted from alcohol... they're expected to run many hours, and when they die, you "recharge" them by feeding them more methanol.
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BZZT! It's forfty. That's the whole point of the joke.
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