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Spielberg's Taken

A few people submitted asking for an open discussion for Spielberg's Taken miniseries that premiered last night on SciFi last night. I watched it, and I gotta say I dug it, and set Tivo up to snag the rest of it. I wish that they were spacing it out a bit more (in terms of scheduling, not in terms of leaving the Earth's atmosphere ;) What do folks think?

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  1. Taken No, Stargate SG-1 Yes. by kperrier · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want my Stargate. Will someone please take Taken to some other day of the week?

    Kent

  2. Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that means it'll be cancelled soon.

    1. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Xpilot · · Score: 2

      Somebody buy the domain name "savetaken.com" quick :)

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    2. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Schnapple · · Score: 2
      it'll be cancelled soon
      well given that its a miniseries, it'll be off the air due to natural causes soon enough.
    3. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Ponty · · Score: 3, Funny

      The correct term for which, as all TV aficionados know, is miniseries rot. Originally, all television series were planned as miniseries, but the scourge or miniseries rot kicked in and none of them lasted for more than fifteen episodes or so. Finally, scientists from NBC and Bell Labs, working together, discovered how to prevent miniseries rot. The problem is that their discovery was both very expensive and very unpredictable: there was a 75% chance that any product treated against miniseries rot would instead turn out to be total crap. So the television producers of the last sixty years have faced a dilemma: they can produce short-lived, high quality programs or they can produce longer-lasting programs that cost a lot and have a 75% chance of being "Emeril." I, for one, am glad that I don't have to make that decision.

    4. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "well given that its a miniseries, it'll be off the air due to natural causes soon enough."

      Well I'm glad you were around to clear that up. I apologize to everybody who thought my joke was funny.

    5. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      75% percent? If only 75% of TV series were crap I'd be amazed! I'd place the number more at 90% or higher.

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    6. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2

      Although this is a miniseries, I have been thinking about why shows we like fail and why shows like Just Shoot Me succeed wildly.

      I think it basically boils down to one issue - shows we like are not conducive to advertising. The most effective TV show is one where you do not "feel" the difference between the show and the commercials. You sit quietly in alpha state, and slurp up whatever comes out of the TV. Thinking is counterproductive to this effect. Shows like Just Shoot Me or Friends are perfect examples of this phenomenon. It is physically painful to think while watching these shows.

      I tend to watch scifi and documentaries. I mercilessly channel surf to avoid even a second of commercial time, and am never "caught" unaware that I am sitting watching commercials.

      I think the reality is that television programming is not a matter of entertainment/information in exchange for watching ads, but a matter of producing content just interesting enough for the average person to watch, but not so interesting that they resist the commercials. Quality, therfore, is ancillary to the entire process.

    7. Re:Oh great, Slashdot likes it.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "*Your* joke? That was *my* joke, you bastard!

      Someone let Cmdr Taco know: this son of a bitch stole my nick."


      That'd be funny, if I were an AC. Heh.

  3. Will they reair it? by Julius+X · · Score: 2, Funny

    I missed the first episode, does anyone know if they'll re-air it? I can't seem to find the info on SciFi's site.

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    1. Re:Will they reair it? by brownj_685 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. They will reair episode 1 on the follwing days and times:

      SciFi EAST: All time in EST

      03-DEC-02 7:00PM
      08-DEC-02 11:00AM
      14-DEC-02 11:00AM

      More complet chart of airings.

      Date 7pm 9pm 11pm
      02-DEC-02 -- 1 1
      03-DEC-02 1 2 2
      04-DEC-02 2 3 3
      05-DEC-02 3 4 4
      06-DEC-02 4 5 5
      09-DEC-02 5 6 6
      10-DEC-02 6 7 7
      11-DEC-02 7 8 8
      12-DEC-02 8 9 9
      13-DEC-02 9 10 10

      Also Note on:

      07-DEC-02 and 08-DEC-02 and 14-DEC-02 they will be showing episodes 1-5 in order from 11am to 9pm

      on 15-DEC-02 they will show episodes 6-10 in order from 11am to 9pm.

      I hope this helps answer the airing question.

    2. Re:Will they reair it? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2

      Dude, VCRs are like, $12 now.

  4. What do folks think? by tmark · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was absolutely Taken by it.
    (cymbal crash)
    Thank you, I'll be here all week.

    1. Re:What do folks think? by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cymbal crash, eh?

      I thought it was "BU-DUM-CHING!" or just (rimshot).

      But then, a cymbal is kind of like a gong. So maybe you were going for more of an Oriental atmosphere. Sort of like your comment was the wisdom of an ancient Zen master.

      "Meditate on this my students, and learn the wisdom I speak. Why did the boy throw a clock into the air?"

      Four hours pass....

      "Students, you have meditated long enough, and the answer will be revealed. It is because the boy wanted to see time fly."

      GONG: BWAAASSSHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh......

      "Thank you. I will be here all decade."

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    2. Re:What do folks think? by syrinx · · Score: 2

      lol, that is great. if i could mod you up to +6 i would. :)

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    3. Re:What do folks think? by ecloud · · Score: 2

      The name is cymballic.

  5. i can't believe it by tps12 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I watched it, and I gotta say I dug it, and set Tivo up to snag the rest of it.

    So you'll watch it without commercials, the Sci-Fi Channel will lose money on the show, and in a few months you'll be running a story about how a group of fans are raising money to keep it on the air...incredible.

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    1. Re:i can't believe it by Java+Pimp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not gonna steal programming...

      I'll set up my VCR timer to tape it. And I already broke the Fwd button off my remote! And set a timer lock on my refrigerator so I can't make a sandwich during commercial breaks. I know every time I watch a commercial $0.07 is automatically drafted from my wallet and given to sci-fi cause I know the advertizers didn't already pay them for the air time. I don't want to see sci-fi lose any money now.

      I wonder... since skipping commercials is stealing, is it also stealing to watch the commercials with no intention of buying the product? I mean really, for the advertizers to get my money, I've got to buy the product, right?

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    2. Re:i can't believe it by joshsisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless he is in a neilson family, no one can tell if he watches the commercials or not...

    3. Re:i can't believe it by jhines0042 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what you're saying is that if I set up my Tivo to record a show and then I watch it once and the commercials 47,000 times that the show will suddenly become profitable and they'll split it off? ;-)

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    4. Re:i can't believe it by Sheetrock · · Score: 2
      The cable/satellite fee subsidises the content to a degree, but it certainly doesn't cover the actual costs. If you want some actual figures, Seinfeld actors were getting something like $1 million/episode a piece. Likewise with Friends actors. Airing sports programs is ridiculously expensive largely because the franchises know the carriers will pick up the costs from sponsors.

      Right now, the average cost/viewer for a channel works out to about $23,000 for a year. As you can see, while skipping commercials wouldn't fit a reasonable person's definition of piracy, it is important for sponsors to maintain confidence in the system or the whole thing will collapse like the Internet did in 1999.

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    5. Re:i can't believe it by timeOday · · Score: 2
      The cable/satellite fee subsidises the content to a degree, but it certainly doesn't cover the actual costs. If you want some actual figures, Seinfeld actors were getting something like $1 million/episode a piece. Likewise with Friends actors. Airing sports programs is ridiculously expensive largely because the franchises know the carriers will pick up the costs from sponsors.
      ...thus decreasing advertising revenue will cut program costs.

      Is Football any better when the venues are named after companies and the players wear advertising? No. Is "Friends" any better than it was 8 years ago when it was produced for 10% the cost? No. The only "purpose" served by wasting 10 million man-hours on Friends commercials every week is to convince some one-hit wonders that they're worth $1e6 per week. TiVo is doing a real service to society.

      I'd rather have a smaller number of commercial-free channels (like HBO) fighting for my hard-earned Cable TV dollar. Don't worry, "Joey" is set for life no matter what happens.

    6. Re:i can't believe it by Nutcase · · Score: 2
      it is important for sponsors to maintain confidence in the system or the whole thing will collapse like the Internet did in 1999.

      Yeah, I really miss that internet thing. To think, It's been 3 years since it collapsed. It sure is a shame.

      Sarcasm aside, if confidence is the only thing holding a system together, maybe it's time for it to collapse.

    7. Re:i can't believe it by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2

      ...will collapse like the Internet did in 1999.

      The Internet collapsed? That must make you a figment of my imagination.

      Seriously, though. The Internet did not collapse. The get rich quick by getting in on the ground floor of the next Yahoo business model collapsed, but the Internet itself seems to be doing quite well. The business model in question never really produced results, even in The Great Hayday, so confidence was the only driving force in the absurd gold rush of tech prospecting. Mass media advertising is a different beast. Results are what drives it; not confidence. As people's methods of acquiring information and entertainment change, the advertising industry will change with it. The "no free lunch" mantra of the disaffected post 90's venture capitalist trying to force failed business models to work is going to fail as a method to hold the 90's bubble together (this also applies to other failed business models such as 'you need the RIAA to get quality music from artists to consumers'), and certainly is irrelevant to the established advertising industry.

      If the market doesn't work the way you want it to, it may be because people don't want to buy what you have. Attributing that to malice on the part of the demand side ignores the reality of the market, which is what Capitalists are supposed to live by, for better or for worse.

    8. Re:i can't believe it by MadAhab · · Score: 2
      Right, the actors only got such ridiculous sums because they were bringing the eyeballs and advertisers were willing to pay for it. I don't know what you've been smoking, but that doesn't mean that if the advertisers are not willing to pay as much, that people will stop making shows that people like to watch. It just means they'll be paid a little less to do it.

      What, you think they'll give up the chance to be rich and famous because it pays 10% less? Yeah, I'm sure if Seinfeld knew he was only going to make $900K per episode he would have gone into dentistry.

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    9. Re:i can't believe it by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      If he has a ratings box on his system, then it will record that Taken was viewed by this user and thus increasing it's market penetration. At the same time, it was also being recorded by Tivo.

      Sometime later, he then proceeded to watch Taken on his Tivo, fast forwarding commercials, which most are just ads for Sci-fi channel shows and everyone is happy.

  6. please preface posts with spoiler warnings by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for those of us unable to grab the premiere, but interested in possibly watching going forward. thanks

  7. 20 hours??? by Necron69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No way in Hell do I have 20 hours to watch a "mini" series. Unless Sci-Fi reruns this in some all-day marathon session, while my wife and kids are out of town, this one will pass me by.

    WTF were they thinking?

    - Necron69

    1. Re:20 hours??? by dark_panda · · Score: 2

      I take it you're not a fan of that Keifer Sutherland show "24".

      J

    2. Re:20 hours??? by sacherjj · · Score: 2

      I'm not blocking out prime time, I'm recording the Taken episodes when they air at 1 am. That what the big drives in the TiVo are for... :)

  8. Spaced out? by Gaggme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole series is a total of 10 - 2 hour events. Now with all respects, how much more space would someone need.

    The series revolves around three families spaced out over 50 years of history. From strange lights over Nazi Germany, to modern day. As far as the first airing, it appears as though each family will receive 3 - 2 hours episodes, then a 2 hour finalie where everyone is brought together.

    Myself, I was rather appauled by the use of Steven Speilberg so prominently. Each of these episodes was directed by a different director, then Speilberg looked it over and tried to alter it ever so slightly IN THE POST PRODUCTION!. By tagging on a big league name, the further drew people in. That mixed with constant TV commercial marketing.

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    1. Re:Spaced out? by mblase · · Score: 3, Informative

      Myself, I was rather appauled by the use of Steven Speilberg so prominently. Each of these episodes was directed by a different director, then Speilberg looked it over and tried to alter it ever so slightly IN THE POST PRODUCTION!

      As I understand it, the miniseries was basically Spielberg's brainchild. Even if he wasn't responsible for the actual directing, it still came from his head. Credit is due.

    2. Re:Spaced out? by joshsisk · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think he means we wishes that there was more space between episodes. As in, once a week for ten weeks as opposed to every day for ten days.

    3. Re:Spaced out? by cybermace5 · · Score: 2

      "appalled"

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    4. Re:Spaced out? by blamanj · · Score: 2

      If you looked at the commercials, it always said "Steven Speilberg presents." If you know how to read thst, you know it could mean as little as having him stand up at the beginning of the show and say "And now, here's Taken...".

      Yes, they are capitalizing on his name, but you need to bring your intelligence to bear as well.

    5. Re:Spaced out? by PianoComp81 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it, the miniseries was basically Spielberg's brainchild. Even if he wasn't responsible for the actual directing, it still came from his head. Credit is due.

      It was a combination of Leslie Bohem (the writer of each episode) and Spielberg. CNN has a good article on where it came from.

    6. Re:Spaced out? by DaytonCIM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      then Speilberg looked it over and tried to alter it ever so slightly IN THE POST PRODUCTION!

      And thank god he did. When I first heard about this mini-series I was afraid that it would be another "Dinotopia" fiasco. I am so relieved that 1) Speilberg is obviously in control and 2) one of the 3 primary netowrks is not showing it.

      Something that most /.'ers may not be aware of is that for three months before Taken aired, SciFi mailed thousands of brochures and pamphlets to high schools. My wife is a teacher, so of course we ordered everything offered. They sent us lesson plans, videos, handouts, etc... An unbelievable amount of information for free... and none of it had one bit of commercialism attached (other than a couple of SciFi channel promotions). Pretty dame good stuff I must say.

      Lastly, one of the brochures stated that if your students did not have access to the SciFi channel, they would send copies of the mini-series to show in class (of course it is not the entire 20 hour series, but an abridged version) for free.

      Tom Hanks did the same thing (not quite as much material) with From The Earth to The Moon.

  9. Anyone know how long it will be before the DVDs are available? Amazon.com has no info, other than a DVD will exist sometime.

  10. oh, it's on cable? forget it... by newsdee · · Score: 2

    I must be a freak since I use the internet more than I watch TV. Well, I actually don't watch TV at all. Public broadcasts are only re-runs and I don't want to pay for cable (I pay for broadband instead). So for me the only way to see a series is either if it is released in DVD format (that I can rent/buy and watch a piacere)) or, as some series in Asia, in stream format over the Internet.

    It wouldn't cost them much to put the content online, at a smaller quality, and charging a minium fee (like $1 per hour) for viewing. But we can't ask these kind of things as long as they are busy putting online services that have more DRM than music variety. :-(

  11. is the time-space continuum repeating? by SethJohnson · · Score: 2


    Did Taco say he saw this last night or was it last night?
  12. I think.. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that the character dynamics and dialogue seemed cliche. I wouldn't expect a ton of originality from Spielberg, his claim to fame is the lowest common denominator, but this was so slow and predictable, it was a feat to even pay attention.

    The casting was adequate, but not spectacular. The special effects were on par with any other TV miniseries. I perhaps just expected more from Spielberg, perhaps he could have thrown some more cash into some eye candy to keep me interested.

    The plot itself was reminiscent of an archetypal heaven-hell scenario. Nothing new, but a tried and true storyline if told correctly.

    All in all I'd give this maybe 4 stars out of 10, but I'll reserve final judgement until after the miniseries is complete.

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    1. Re:I think.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't expect a ton of originality from Spielberg, his claim to fame is the lowest common denominator

      Actually, I'm pretty sure his "claim to fame" is making Schindler's List, which is widely and rightfully regarded as one of the best motion pictures of the 20th century.

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    2. Re:I think.. by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Actually, I'm pretty sure his "claim to fame" is making Schindler's List, which is widely and rightfully regarded as one of the best motion pictures of the 20th century.

      No, I'm pretty sure it's ET, Gremlins, Jurrasic Park and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

      Frankly, anyone could have made Schindlers List. Making Nazi's look bad is like shooting fish in a barrel.

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    3. Re:I think.. by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't expect a ton of originality from Spielberg, his claim to fame is the lowest common denominator

      If you mean "regular people," you're right, he makes movies lots of regular people like to watch. However, he has done his share of weighty matter...

      Schindler's List
      Saving Private Ryan
      Amistad
      The Color Purple
      Band of Brothers
      AI (even though I didn't like it)
      Empire of the Sun
      E.T. (both weighty AND appeals to the masses)
      Close Encounters of the Third Kind

      "Lowest common denominator," indeed.

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    4. Re:I think.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      Frankly, anyone could have made Schindlers List.

      Never seen it, huh?

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    5. Re:I think.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      Even then Spielberg felt the need for a "happy ending"; what the fuck was so happy about 6 million jews being put to death?

      The part where 1,200 were saved.

      Oskar Schindler was a hero. An accidental hero, yeah, but through his misguided actions and deeply flawed motives, he still managed to save the lives of 1,200 people, and by extension over 6,000 of their descendants. Are you aware that there are more Schindler Jews-- including survivors and their families-- alive in the world today than there are Jews in all of Poland? Schindler made a difference. His story, the story of his accomplishment, is inspirational. That, in my opinion, makes for a pretty fucking happy ending, you asshole.

      many of the characters are stiff cartoonish cliche's of Nazis and Jews

      Seeing as how the portrayals of the various major characters were all based on the accounts of eyewitnesses, I think you're a little out of line in this criticism.

      Oh well, I guess we can't expect too much from Hollywood these days.

      How many movies have you made? When you make your masterpiece, we'll all listen to your blanket criticisms of Hollywood. Until then, please shut the fuck up, okay? Thanks.

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    6. Re:I think.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      And yet, somehow, dozens of worthy films get made in Hollywood every year.

      I stand by my remark. People who have never made a movie are in no position at all to criticize Hollywood, or anybody who works in it. You can argue about the individual merits of any given film all you want-- after all, opinions are like assholes-- but in the face of so much evidence to the contrary, broad indictments of "the system" come across sounding utterly absurd.

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    7. Re:I think.. by ErikZ · · Score: 2


      Woah woah WOAH!

      Nazis are bad? I haven't seen Schindler's List yet.

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    8. Re:I think.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      So, what you're saying is if Nazis lined your family up to be shot to death and you were the only one that survived that you would be happy?!?

      In 1992 or 1993, a friend of mine was out on a lake with his two sons. I never found out exactly what happened, but there was an accident, and both sons were badly hurt. One died. The other survived.

      About a year later, I was talking to him about it, and he told me that he'd never known such a conflicting set of emotions. On the one hand, he was in anguish at the loss of his son. But at the same time, he felt such joy and gratitude that the other son, who might also have died, lived. He told me that the hardest thing he had to deal with in the following months was the sense of guilt he carried because he was more happy that his son survived than sad because his other son had died.

      I've heard that this is not an uncommon feeling, particularly among the survivors of accidents. The survivors feel such joy to have survived at all, then become overwhelmed with guilt because of it. In other words, they feel bad because they don't feel worse.

      The fact Schindler saved jews is great, but don't you think it's appalling that the millions of Germans didn't really give a fuck that their jewish neighbors were being hauled off from their homes like cattle while their possesions were being confiscated!

      Sure, it's appalling. What's worse is that it's also entirely understandable. When you make your movie about that aspect of the holocaust, I will pay my $8.50 to see it.

      So, next time you open your pie hole Herr Hollywood please get a fucking clue what happiness is.

      Man. You're a dick. Please keep me on your foes list, and make sure to assign a modifier. I'd just as soon you not respond to any more of my posts in the future.

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    9. Re:I think.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      How dare you forget Goonies you insensitive clod!

      Oops, this isn't a poll, so please remove the insensitive clod from the statement above.

      Chester Copperpot!

  13. The aliens are too mystical/magical for me by hirschma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lessee... they can take any shape. They can convert to energy and just vanish. They are telpathic. They can learn English really, really fast. I mean, what's next? Flying bicycles?

    Sure, I guess that these things could be part of the same super technology that allows them to get here in the first place, but I'd think its a lot easier to move faster than light than to establish communications with a totally alien species, much less assume their biology and all that jazz.

    Bottom line - too much fantasy is being injected into this science fiction.

  14. Spielberg's Taken by lunenburg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh great, I guess that means I have to find another date to the prom.

    1. Re:Spielberg's Taken by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2

      Put away your duct tape.

  15. That's not the point, moron. by joshamania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By saying that he set up his Tivo to watch the rest of it is saying that he enjoyed the show enough to record it all, not that he was going to skip the commercials. Gawd, you sound like an AOL exec, expecting him to "steal" the programming.

    By Tivo'ing the show, our dear author will be assured of not missing ANY episodes, because, like me, he probably has no time to slot for several hours worth of programming when Sci-fi chooses to air it.

    And, like as not, our dear author is going to watch some of those commercials, because, since Tivo has no 30 second skip function, he will have to see some of them, even in fast forward, and will stop to watch commercials he is interested in. I do it all the time.

    Now tack on the fact that the Tivo can track which commercials he is watching and narrowing down the demographic that our dear advertisers need to target, saving them money for not showing commercials to people that don't care about their products, and allowing Sci-Fi to charge more for their time because they can show exactly who is watching what. (assuming they all don't have their heads up their arses, the different companies ought to be doing this...)

    So, no, Sci-Fi does not NEED to lose money on Tivo customers, and you are an unenlighted media conglomerate tool.

    1. Re:That's not the point, moron. by joshamania · · Score: 2

      Hmmm...that's cool! I've got UltimateTV, so I've just got a button. But that's good to know when the big bad M$ drops their service and I have to go Tivo...

    2. Re:That's not the point, moron. by sacherjj · · Score: 2

      And, like as not, our dear author is going to watch some of those commercials, because, since Tivo has no 30 second skip function, he will have to see some of them, even in fast forward, and will stop to watch commercials he is interested in. I do it all the time.

      Actually you can turn on 30 second skip. You don't even need backdoors on.

      If my memory is correct you press Select Play Select 3 0 Select during playback.

  16. Spielberg's taken? by matticus · · Score: 2

    Well, I guess it was just a pipedream.
    Next on the list-George Lucas!

  17. Since "abductions" are really ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    hypnagogic sleep paralysis (HSP), a fairly well documented phenomenon, I just can't get into this series.

    And I have yet to hear a remotely reasonable explanation as to why an alien species would expend the enormous amounts of energy it would take to get to the one of the obscure spokes of the galaxy (way away from the interesting concentrated center) and spend even two seconds watching us. Denibian slime worms would more interesting.

    1. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2
      And I have yet to hear a remotely reasonable explanation as to why an alien species would expend the enormous amounts of energy it would take to get to the one of the obscure spokes of the galaxy (way away from the interesting concentrated center) and spend even two seconds watching us. Denibian slime worms would more interesting.

      And I have yet to hear a remotely reasonable explanation as to why Charles Darwin would expend the enormous amounts of capital it would take to get to remote islands. Or Marco Polo, or Columbus, for that matter.

      That you can't think of a good reason doesn't mean that there's no good reason.

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    2. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2

      No. There's a theory that abductions are hypnagogic sleep paralysis but to say it as an undeniable fact it just bad science tied to arrogance.

    3. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by mblase · · Score: 2

      Denibian slime worms would more interesting.

      Considering how much time our university employees spend researching every last minutae of terrestrial life, archaeology, biology, chemistry, etc. etc., I can accept this as plausible.

      Why should we assume the entire alien species is interested in us? These are probably just some interplanetary grad students out to get their Ph.D. completed as quickly as possible so they can get on with their careers.

    4. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by mblase · · Score: 2

      There's a theory that abductions are hypnagogic sleep paralysis but to say it as an undeniable fact it just bad science tied to arrogance.

      All right: by combining Occam's Razor with the fact that evidence of alien abductions are anecdotal at best, while HSP is well-researched and documented, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that most or all reports of alien abductions, aren't.

      Satisfied?

    5. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2

      Close.

      How about: by using Occam's Razor with the fact HSP is well-researched and documented, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that some reports of alien abductions are actually HSP.

      Unless, of course, you've got a provable test methodology that is repeatable and something measurable to document the "anectdotal at best" statement.

    6. Re:Since "abductions" are really ... by ajs · · Score: 2

      "alien abductions are anecdotal at best, while HSP is well-researched and documented"

      Ok, and the connection is?

      Sure, I've heard some accounts that match the scenario of HSP, and that might well be the explanation, but you need to draw a more credible link here. You have no outlined all of the possibilities, you've simply presented one alternative, and jumped to the conclusion that because it is a real phenomenon, it must be the correct interpretation.

      Occam's Razor is a useful tool, and a guide when making decisions among seemingly equal choices, but when you artificially restrict the number of choices, you defeat any course of logic.

  18. If I could reach into the computer to beat you... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

    ...you'd be hurting right now.

    - A.P.

    --
    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
  19. First take confusion. by Night0wl · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, I should really go to sleep. I saw the title and thought, "Speilberg's getting married?" ...

    And earlier this morning, watching the rerun of Tech TV's Screen Savers I was cought off guard by there "Bitch chat" with George Clooney.
    It was moments later I realized the height difference in Bit and Chat...

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    Computational Madness in a round package.
  20. Well obviously, though they may take our lives ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    They can never take
    our freedom!

    If that isn't a sci-fi premise, I don't know what is.

  21. Probing by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alien abduction stories are so bland that the only way that they can possibly excite me is if they actually showed an uncensored anal probing. I seriously think that alien abductions are at around the same stylistic level as any mediocre porn film and therefore they should be made into real porn so that they can actualize the full potential of these contrived mythos. It's sad how much the quality of a culture's mythology says about the culture.

    1. Re:Probing by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      I watched the behind the scenes for Taken that SciFi ran and it looks like there is going to be some zero-g love making going on, with some possibly very blurry nudity... sounds like maybe your prediction will come true.

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      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
  22. Re:WHO TOOK HIM!?! by Ponty · · Score: 2

    As everyone knows, that movie isn't about Nazis. Due to budget constraints, they used Nazis instead of terrorist aliens. We feel that the new edit is closer to Mr. Spielberg's original vision, and Mr. Spielberg is unavailable for interviews.

  23. Boring! by coinreturn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Too many characters doing almost nothing. Notice that most characters weren't even named! They were just "that redhead" showing up and doing boring everyday stuff. No distinct characters (were there any blacks, asians, etc in the forties? - btw I am a white male), so you could barely tell people apart. Okay, so the aliens are kind of cool. They only showed about seven seconds of aliens in the first hour of boring crap, so I turned it off. I was VASTLY disappointed. So you want to make a miniseries - if you don't have DRAMA no is going to watch 20 hours!

  24. 10 reasons not to watch it by ehiris · · Score: 2

    10 - Commercials
    9 - I'm never going to finish reading Cryptonomicon
    8 - I'll miss night 9 due to being on a bus
    7 - I'll miss night 10 due to being on the mountain drying out my clothes from a day of snowboarding
    6 - It might be good
    5 - I might like it
    4 - I wouldn't be able to deal with the loss
    3 - I don't own a Tivo
    2 - If I buy a Tivo I won't have enough room in my entertainment center
    1 - Tivo is just a slow overpriced computer.

    Does this series only seem to me or is it a way of getting more geeks (people that believe in Alien stuff) to buy Tivos this Christmas?

    1. Re:10 reasons not to watch it by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      3 - I don't own a Tivo
      2 - If I buy a Tivo I won't have enough room in my entertainment center
      1 - Tivo is just a slow overpriced computer.

      Uh, if you can, find the manual to your VCR, it will show you how to make the flashing "12:00" go away, and explain how you can program it to (now follow closely here...) record TV shows when you're not even there!

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      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
    2. Re:10 reasons not to watch it by ehiris · · Score: 2

      hmmm ... Note to self ... Buy blank video tapes. I never thought that VCR could have use anymore then to switch between different video/audio devices. :)

  25. Spielberg trademark by Shamashmuddamiq · · Score: 3, Funny

    After seeing the commercials, I just couldn't bring myself to watch it. Is it just me, or is it true that "the little kid who knows everything" cliche is SO FREAKING OVERUSED by Spielberg (and other) films that it's almost embarrasing to watch??

    Once a week, when I see a commercial for a new movie or show where "the little kid knows everything," I can't change the channel fast enough. And I don't tire of these kinds of things easily.

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    ...just my 2 gil.
    1. Re:Spielberg trademark by geek · · Score: 2

      But kids DO know everything. Just ask mine.

    2. Re:Spielberg trademark by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing the little kid, or kids, are going to be alien/human hybrids. Lets hope this series has more originality than this.

  26. My take on Taken by Carnivore24 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I watched both the 9-11 and 11-1am showing and I thought it was pretty interesting. I have always been intrigued and felt a sense of strangeness while watching it. Especially scenes like the plane going down and the lights engulfing it.

    One scene that stood out was when the woman was walking through the ship wreckage and discovers the alien metal. I was waiting for something to either jump out and attack her or she was going to discover a body. Instead we see her walk off and the camera zooms in on the tree revealing an alien. That was eerie.

    The rest of the episode was brief flashbacks and intricate character developement. I also noticed they tried to keep with the Area 51 crash and weather balloon coverup, these were blended into the story quite well. Dont forget the bits with the alien drivebys and cars/electrical equipment shutting off.

    I will be tuning in the check out more....

  27. No Farscape, No Sci-Fi Channel by TTMuskrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been boycotting the Sci-Fi channel since they dumped Farscape. If Taken gets good reviews, I will just get it on DVD when it comes out.

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    1. Re:No Farscape, No Sci-Fi Channel by calethix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I second that motion. I used to be excited about Taken but after the Farscape fiasco, I decided no more Sci-Fi channel for me. In fact, I moved shortly after Farscape when on hiatus so I didn't even bother blowing the $50/mo on cable after that. Sure, I may only get 3 channels with my crappy antenna but I get Enterprise and Simpsons... not much else on that I care to watch :)

    2. Re:No Farscape, No Sci-Fi Channel by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2

      Same here.

      As I wrote to the head of SciFi Channel:

      Before dumping I-Man: View on actual TV, when showing: 5Hr on Friday, plus secondary runs tape and other channels.

      When they dumped I-Man: View on actual TV: 2Hrs Farscape only.

      When they add StarGate: 2 to 4 hours. StarGate was a so so view add.

      When they dropped FarScape: 0 hours.

      Now it is food channel: Iron Chef! - maybe they move Good Eats to Friday too!

      My house hold will *NOT* be watching the finally of FarScape... This season sucked anyway.

      But note: They sure wasted alot of $$$ on ADs on other channels for "TOOKEN". Now we know where the FarScape budget went.

    3. Re:No Farscape, No Sci-Fi Channel by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 2

      If the Sci Fi channel ceases to exist due to decreased viewership brought about by their disrespect of their own viewers, that will be a Very Good Thing. (I do believe that they may be closing down or moving completely away from it's niche eventually, however, due to corporate reshuffling as Vivendi continues to struggle.)

      How will this be Very Good? It will send a very clear message that they have everyday people, not just Nielson families, choosing whether or not to view their programming and spots. Sci Fi (and those higher up the chain of corporate ownership) will not hear this message, but it will be there for the industry as a whole. If it goes down in a burning bonfire of rehashed paranormal and B-movie master tapes, then that message is only so much louder.

  28. damnit by WPIDalamar · · Score: 2

    Missed it, maybe it's finally time for a tivo. But the last mini series rocked!

  29. Re:Not worth watching by RatBastard · · Score: 2

    They teach you how to write a hook in writing classes for a reason. You only have a few seconds to get people's attention. That is a well established fact.

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
  30. Re:Wish They'd take me... by doooras · · Score: 2

    The cancellation of Farscape is the direct result of SciFi wasting so much money on Taken.

    Bonnie Hammer in action...

  31. Charles Darwin didn't dress like an iguana by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Beagle sailed up to the Galapagos Islands. The men, including Darwin, got into boats, rowed over and explored the islands (and got water and food, etc).

    They didn't skulk about. They didn't dress up like swimming iguanas or giant tortises.

    They explored, and observed (and for Marco and Chris, traded). None of them hid, themselves of their purposes.

  32. Ohhh sure .. by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Funny
    You all mod the "Steven King Dead at 55" posts to -1, but you publish "Spielberg's Taken" on the front page???

    wait ... taken was the name of a show ...

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  33. Pandering by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    I watched the full two hours, and I'll watch at least a little more, but I think it is simple pandering to the current UFO fad that seems to have been re-ignited by the X-files.

    Everything that has happened seems like it's just rehashing the cliche'd mythos: crash at Roswell, abductions, military cover-up, etc etc etc.

    All of this stuff was really old news even back in the 60's; is the show going to dare to do anything new at all?

    I doubt it, but I'll watch a bit more to give Spielberg the benefit of the doubt.

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    Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
  34. Galacttic Anal Probing Inc.. by RatBastard · · Score: 2

    Do you have any idea how many aliens are employed by Galactic Anal Probing Inc.? If they didn't abduct us and anal probe us their economy would colapse!

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    1. Re:Galacttic Anal Probing Inc.. by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do we do these anal probes anyway?

      All we've discovered is 1 subject in 10 doesn't mind.

  35. Re:Boring by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    I agree, given that it was intro I am going to give it another try as well but unless it REALLY picks up.....

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  36. The Death of SCIFI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can't help feeling that I was watching a weird mélange of Spielberg's visual sensibilities all in one film.

    I also am seeing, what appears to me, to be the beginning of the end for the Sci-Fi channel.

    The first clue was canning Farscape. While it may not have been a ratings powerhouse, it was arguably one of the most creative shows on television - and elevated the SciFI genre far beyond it's peers. The show was perceived as the fledgling channel's flagship show and, when combined with it's on-air identity, really got folks pumped-up about the SCIFI brand. I wish more conglomerates understood the power of a franchise beyond it's initial ratings.

    The second clue is the channels reaction to John Edwards and it's new-show-to-be "The Dream Team with Annabelle and Michael". These are shows that are cheap to produce, attract a strong female audience - if not skew heavy female - and get ratings. Despite the fact that these shows are only marginally related to "science fiction/fantasy" etc. and are better suited aired on it's USA sister channel - belies the fact that they are polluting what made the Sci-Fi channel so strong to begin with and what gives these shows such strong lead-ins.

    The third clue is the new on-air ID and identity spots currently running. I speak from experience here, as I am a broadcast designer who has done some high profile work as well as sit-in on the meetings where the politics of changing something as momentous as a logo are in full-play. First let me say this: The new logo is clunky and horrible and the new spots that I have seen are mostly insipid and mushy. Everyone I know in the Broadcast Design/ID business has for years been in agreement with me when I say "SciFi has the best, most innovative broadcast design on the planet. No contest". The work now looks like it was designed by a committee and not a visionary. What's particularly telling is the new logo. Why on earth change the logo? The old logo is far superior to the ham-fisted hack-job logo they now use. The only thing I can think of, and if anyone has any information on this I'd love to hear it, is that "new management" came in and wanted to put their stamp on everything. The whole "If it ain't broke - I'm gonna fix it anyway 'cause im the new person!" seems pretty strong here.

    In conclusion, SCIFI is trading Farscape for John Edwards and in the process losing its soul. Instead of watching a particular show, I would watch "SCIFI" - I don't do that anymore, I pick and choose from a rapidly shrinking pool of shows I want to see. And the shows that do remain could be as easily shown on many other, less distinct, channels. I'm sure "The Dream Team" would do just as well on VH1. So sad to see you go SCIFI, it was fun while it lasted.

    1. Re:The Death of SCIFI by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      Why isn't parent a 5 yet? This is the only possible explanation for those god-awful ads, the elimination of everything space in favor of mumbo-jumbo, etc.: Sci Fi wants the crystal power crowd. Probably the current management are crystal power types.

    2. Re:The Death of SCIFI by vanyel · · Score: 2

      I agree; I specifically avoided watching Taken as the last thing I want is to encourage them to continue in this direction. Frankly, with Steven Spielberg being used to market it so much, I'm pretty sure it's the audience that's getting taken, but I'm just not interested in alien abduction stories, unless of course they want to make a movie of Have Space Suit, Will Travel. Admittedly in Heinlein's juvenile collection, but it was my first science fiction book and hooked me immediately.

  37. They must be expecting us to record it by cardshark2001 · · Score: 2

    I mean, who can commit 2 hours every day for 10 days to watch the show (besides the slashdot crowd, I mean).

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  38. They were mostly meta-commercials by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    Subjectively it seems like 90% of the commercials during Taken were for upcoming 2003 shows on the SciFi channel -- meta-commercials, you could call them, since obviously there's no direct income from people watching them, only an indirect effect by inducing people to watch more SciFi channel next year, and to then see commercials that bring revenue.

    What's the economic slant on watching versus skipping meta-commercials??

    For what it's worth, I watched an unusually high percentage of them. I had fallen somewhat out of touch with the SciFi channel and I was fascinated by some of the teasers for next year.

    (Although doubtless I'm a glutton for punishment...imagine me being gullible enough to actually look forward to seeing Children of Dune. They'll punish me with a poor production, of course.)

    BTW you are implying that the Dot Com Bomb happened due to loss of confidence of advertising sponsors, but that's not the case.

    Most of it was companies overspending without a good business model (including those who idiotically thought they could make billions from banner ads).

    The exact definition of the boom and crash is multi-faceted, so it's also fair to say that another part of it was an unrealistic run-up in stock prices (by both professionals and amateurs) to unmaintainable levels measured by any means (price to book, price to conceivable future earnings, etc etc).

    To imply that it was a matter of things like Replay users skipping ads, people installing ad-blockers on their browsers, Napster users sharing music, etc, is to grossly misunderstand recent history.

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  39. 24 isn't on every single day by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    Not the same at all. 24 comes on once a week, a much smaller commitment than asking people to watch every single f*#&ing day for two weeks, two hours every night.

    Back in the 80's, the miniseries Roots and Shogun did manage to get people to ditch their lives for a little while, but they offered something new and different and informative. Taken is just a rehash of flying saucer mythos we've already heard endlessly.

    I was however amused; instead of the usual (ahem) probing, judging by all the nosebleeds, they were getting nasal-probed instead. :-)

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  40. Re:Not worth watching by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

    Gee, a Steven Spielberg movie about UFOs and it reminded you of Close Encounters... who would have ever thought that was going to happen

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    A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
  41. Re:If I could reach into the computer to beat you. by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

    Are you coming on to him (or her ... or it)? :]

    [/goodhearted humour]

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    Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
  42. I felt Taken for wasting two hours watching it... by iiioxx · · Score: 2

    My wife and I (both sci-fi fans as well as SF fans, for those keen enough to know the difference) tuned in to watch Taken last night, somewhat put out that it preempted our usual Monday night four-hour Stargate fix, but hopeful nonetheless.

    Well, my wife was Taken by the sandman about halfway through, and I was Taken by a game of Rolling Thunder on my laptop. What a SNOOZEFEST! After about an hour, I found myself scrolling through the onscreen guide to see what I was missing.

    I finished watching it out of the hope for some twist to keep me hanging on for the next episode... no luck. I think I'll pass on this series.

  43. Compare the best prices on: Consumer Electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else notice that in the related links: bar? advertising slowly engulfs slashdot...

  44. Re:Not worth watching by kableh · · Score: 2

    Heh, the part that reminded me of Close Encounters was the guy going nuts, boarding up his house, scaring his wife, etc. Smacked of CEOTTK.

    I understand its a well worn topic, but I was hoping for something new and exciting. X Files was for the first few seasons. I'll probably give it another chance tonight though =)

  45. T*KEN by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. I hate the logo. The 'A' in taken consists of a human figure with arms and legs out ascending through the sky, illuminated by a burst of backlighting. The lighting is more prominent than the figure, so it looks like the title reads 'TOKEN'.

    2. I liked this series better the first time... when it was called "Amazing Stories".

    (oh yeah, and 3. ???, 4. Profit.)

  46. Glad it was on, ... by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... it cured my insomnia.

  47. No Farscape, No Sci-Fi Channel - AMEN by NickFusion · · Score: 2

    There was precious little on cable my wife and I wanted to watch, and Farscape was the last straw. Now a peice speaker wire brings us Buffy over some kind of invisible "airwaves."

    Screw me Sci Fi? No...screw you, and the AT&T you rode in on.

    Now it's $20 a month for Net Flix, and I still save $30 over the cost of cable.

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    What were you expecting?
  48. Re:Not worth watching by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    They teach you how to write a hook in writing classes for a reason. You only have a few seconds to get people's attention.

    Did you watch the first two minutes of Taken? It was one hell of a hook. I wasn't actually that interested in watching, but when I saw the air battle over Germany and how it ended, I planted my butt on the couch and watched the rest of the two-hour episode.

    That's a hook, friend.

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    I write in my journal
  49. Re:Not worth watching by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    reminded my of Close Encounters

    At this point you should be thinking, "Hey, Band of Brothers was an awful lot like Saving Private Ryan. And From the Earth to the Moon was a lot like Apollo 13."

    Maybe the resemblance-- thematically and visually-- between Close Encounters and Taken is no accident. Just maybe.

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    I write in my journal
  50. Somebody got took by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well I watched it last night and I can say it lived up to it's name sake. Someone got took and it wasn't by they aliens.

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    Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

  51. Oh. Well then by babbage · · Score: 2
    If Spielberg's Taken, can I have Kubrick?

    heh, sorry, couldn't resist...

    1. Re:Oh. Well then by kubrick · · Score: 2

      If Spielberg's Taken, can I have Kubrick?

      Sorry, the aliens got me too...

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  52. "...premiered last night on SciFi last night." by eatenn · · Score: 2, Funny

    A few people submitted asking for an open discussion for Spielberg's Taken miniseries that premiered last night on SciFi last night.

    Today Slashdot destroyed my ability to speak properly today.

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    "But the cars are all flashing me, bright lights are passing me, I feel life passing me by" - Stiff Little Fingers
  53. Miniseries in the USA by John+Harrison · · Score: 2
    In other countries most shows are miniseries. In Brazil for instance, though a show might last 18 months, it has a story arc that will eventaully take it to some end. If the show is very popular then sub-plots will be added to lengthen it. If it is a stinker it will get resolved quickly. But the point of it is to tell a story that ends. Now I am not a big fan of the soap-opera production values or the same show being on everyday at 8 pm, but the idea of a story to be told with a beginning and end is interesting.

    Not so in the USA. How many years has Friends been running? Has anything really happened? Not really. Most shows in the USA feel the need to conclude an episode with all issues being resolved so that nothing has changed in the world that has been created. Contrast this with 24. It has a season-long plot and watching the episodes in order is important. Hopefully the popularity of 24 will lead to more shows that are actually going somewhere plot-wise instead of running in place for the whole season, an hour at a time.

    1. Re:Miniseries in the USA by John+Harrison · · Score: 2
      And the idea of adding sub-plots that have little to do with the main story strikes me as not that different than the sitcom ideal of keeping a show going when it's doing well.

      Actually they did exactly this with 24. If it had been canceled halfway through its run there was an ending prepared.

      Also, I picked Friends because it was a easy target but the same can be said of any drama as well. There is no end in sight and no point other than continued survival until it runs out of gas.

    2. Re:Miniseries in the USA by John+Harrison · · Score: 2

      I am not saying that we shouldn't have Friends or shows like it. I do think that there is room for a different type of show, a long mini-series if you will, than what we are fed in the US. Imagine the Lord of the Rings done as 20 one-hour episodes, or Cryptonomicon as a 15 episode HBO production.

  54. Re:waiting for it to show up on p2p by klevin · · Score: 2

    Well, assuming anyone even bothered to cap it, it could easily take a day or two to encode it to DiVX;-) or SVCD (VCD generally doesn't take very long). Then you have to add in the time to post/upload it. I'd give it a couple of days.

  55. Re:Taken by Scrameustache · · Score: 2

    I liked how the aliens were not sweet and good but have a dark agenda of some kind.

    Yeah, because that's never been done before... *cough*X Files*cough*Independance Day/V*cough*Invasion of the body snatchers*cough*Plan 9 from outer space*cough*war of the worlds*cough**cough**cough*

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  56. Stargate SG-1 returning by rilian4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stargate is returning Monday December 16th and 23rd. According to scifi.com's stargate-sg1 page, Stargate will be airing new Episodes on Friday's starting January 10th.

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    1. Re:Stargate SG-1 returning by jmccay · · Score: 2

      You forgot to mention that series 5 is currently playing on various channels. It's playing on Fox in the Metro Boston, MA area (NH/MA) Saturdays at 5pm (unfortunately running opposite Andromeda) and Sundays at 11AM unless it gets bumped for Patriots pregame show. Its only happened once so far.

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  57. Re:WHO TOOK HIM!?! by erat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who cares who took HIM?

    I want to know who took his PRESENTS. I mean, every time the show returned from a commercial break, the "Steven Spielberg Presents Taken" newsflash would pop up.

    Poor guy, it being Hannukah and all (okay, YOU try to spell it...).

  58. Re:Why all UFO movies are stupid by Gaijin42 · · Score: 2

    the aliens want to not be widely known, or at least aren't advertizing themselves. so we only have to cover up the occasional slip.

    The cover up is against the humans, not the aliens. Your idea would be correct if we were trying to hide OURSELVES from the aliens, which is not the case.

  59. Re:Taken (Spoiler) by Gaijin42 · · Score: 2

    There were some ads for taken about a month ago, and she was talking about how she is 1/4 alien, because her dad was 1/2 alien.

    she is the kid of the kid.

    I told you it was a spoiler, and it was in the commercials, so that isn't really even a spoiler. So there.

  60. waitaminit... by demo9orgon · · Score: 2

    With all the restraining orders and paid security, you would think he would have some peace. Poor chap, and now he's been TAKEN. We should take a moment to remember there's always time for Kubrication. (owiee..owiee...I won't do that again, I promise.)

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  61. Confidence as the basis for systems by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    Sarcasm aside, if confidence is the only thing holding a system together, maybe it's time for it to collapse.

    Nay nay! Confidence is exactly the mechanism that makes many useful systems work:

    • currency (especially immediately after a transition away from a gold standard, but even now as the reason why the U.S. dollar is considered the replacement for the gold standard internationally),
    • banks and banking deposits (consider panics and runs, as in South America quite recently),
    • politics (if people lose confidence in the food supply and think they'll starve, they'll try to revolt),
    • dating (just try to strike up conversations with strangers if you have no self-confidence :-)
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    1. Re:Confidence as the basis for systems by Nutcase · · Score: 2

      Well, you are in fact correct, but I think the whole internet crash was a good thing. and if television, movies, and music can't adapt their business models to fit in with technology, then they should crash too.

      Just for the sake of it, let me say that I think currency and banking are really both directly tracable to confidence in the government. And that confidence mostly comes from the fact that they have guns. Anything less than revolution means jail and or pain. Which makes arranging a revolution decidedly difficult.

      Now the dating example is a good one. I find I usually get self-confidence after I start dating a girl. Which means I have needed to develop a new strategy - Unflinching Optimism. It works. And for only 19.95 I will email you the secret as to how. ;P

  62. Steven Spielberg's Presents Taken by corebreech · · Score: 2

    ...That would have made a better title. It's like somebody took away his special-effects dept. and so he had to make do with things like bad matte paintings and the oh-so-clichéd alien-appears-as-human device.

    The coolest thing about this episode were the commercials the Sci-Fi Channel ran. That mutant kid with the wings and the suction-cup fingers almost made me spill my beer. Little fucker.

    I'll tune in tonight, just to see if there are new commercials.

  63. Yes, but no. by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    I sympathize with your broad position, but your chosen expression, well, sucks, because you're saying right out that audiences can't critique movies, only movie-makers can critique movies.

    Yet that is inherently absurd. Movies are for audiences. Percentagewise, almost no one has made a serious movie.

    I prefer the old saying that "Everyone has a right to an informed opinion. Ignorant opinions are antisocial."

    (Someone will doubtless now explain that this is a form of totalitarianistic censorship and how dare I do that, etc, but at least now it's clear in advance that I think they're antisocial to say so. ;-)

    --
    Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
    1. Re:Yes, but no. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      you're saying right out that audiences can't critique movies, only movie-makers can critique movies

      No, no, a thousand times no. I specifically said that arguing about individual films is completely fine with me. I do it all the time myself, and I'm not a professional critic. But people who look at Hollywood from outside-- with no knowledge of how or why things happen there-- and dismiss the whole thing with a hand-wave are just being idiots.

      Ignorant opinions are antisocial

      I don't know if I would have chosen the word "antisocial" or not, but I would definitely say that an uninformed opinion, vocally expressed, says far more about the holder of that opinion than that person probably realizes.

      --

      I write in my journal
    2. Re:Yes, but no. by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
      No, no, a thousand times no. I specifically said that arguing about individual films is completely fine with me. I do it all the time myself, and I'm not a professional critic. But people who look at Hollywood from outside-- with no knowledge of how or why things happen there-- and dismiss the whole thing with a hand-wave are just being idiots.

      Oh! So hexapodia are the key! Skroderiders! Right right right.

      Sorry, I guess I didn't read closely enough before. :-) (Note to onlookers: that's a reference to what Twirlip said in Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep.)

      Seriously, the philosophy of aesthetics is very very complicated even when one tries hard to be informed and discriminating, because then there's the problem of snobbish-ness, which can cause perfectly good but low-brow things to be considered low-quality when they are not, they're merely low-prestige to the high culture.

      Examples:

      • the better teen comedies shouldn't be dismissed just because they're aimed at a teen audience (despite the fact that the average ones are indeed pretty bad).
      • I rather like macaroni and cheese, hot dogs, etc; plain fare and recipes popular with the lower socio-economic strata certainly are not identical to high cuisine, but neither are they inherently low quality.
      • Every culture has a prestige dialect, such as Standard American English. Contrary to popular opinion, this doesn't mean that other dialects are "ungrammatical"; each dialect has its own precise grammar which is followed closely by the appropriate in-group, but outsiders have difficulty talking the talk. That doesn't mean that Ebonics should be considered the high culture prestige dialect; prestige can't be voted on, it's an outcome of complex factors.
      • I used to categorically dislike country music and hip hop, then I eventually discovered that both genres have some very high quality stuff. Again, they're not high culture prestige like classical music, but they can have their own kinds of Quality, either in the sense of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, or in the common sense.

      So it's a difficult path to follow, trying to recognize Quality wherever it appears without falling into the twin traps of Uninformed Opinions nor of Overly-informed snobbishness.

      But worth the effort.

      --
      Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
    3. Re:Yes, but no. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      the better teen comedies shouldn't be dismissed just because they're aimed at a teen audience

      Ah, funny. That's the hardest one of all. I'm sure that after the first showing of The Acharnians, Aristophanes was heard muttering to himself backstage about how the highbrows in the audience wouldn't know funny if it bit them on the ass. In Greek, though, of course.

      I rather like macaroni and cheese

      Now, see, this is something I have an opinion about. Ever since my own personal dot-com bubble burst, I've been a chef. Do you know what separates high cuisine from low cuisine? Love. That's all. Just love. When you eat a meal at my restaurant, you know that somebody sweated over every aspect of your meal, from the hunter who shot the animal (or the fisherman, or the farmer, whatever) all the way down to me, who puts the last finishing touch on the plate before the waiter brings it to you. We do it out of love.

      Macaroni and cheese is on the menu at my restaurant. It's called "nouilles de coude avec des sept fromages," but it's mac and cheese. I use elbow noodles made from an unbelievably complicated blend of different kinds of wheat, butter from Normandy, cream from Wisconsin, and seven different types of cheeses, but it's just mac and cheese. The only difference between what I make and the stuff you get out of the box is love. And when I make the stuff out of the box at home, it's still better, because I love it, too; the tiniest pinch of fresh dill, a little ground ancho chile pepper, and a sprinkling of parmesan make all the difference.

      People who dismiss mac and cheese just because it's mac and cheese-- without taking into account what went into it, or how the result turned out-- are missing out on some wonderful things.

      God damn it. Now I'm all hungry.

      --

      I write in my journal
    4. Re:Yes, but no. by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
      That sounds really really yummy. Seven cheeses! Which?

      What's the brand on that elbow noodle?

      --
      Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
    5. Re:Yes, but no. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      Seven cheeses! Which?

      Fontina, pecorino, a New Hampshire cheddar that I'm especially fond of, montasio, asiago, and two that I won't tell you about, but that you could probably guess. Neither of them is Velveeta, and neither of them comes wrapped in plastic that says "cheez" on it, but that's all I'm saying. ;-)

      What's the brand on that elbow noodle?

      You know, I have no idea. I get it in bulk from my importer, and I've never even looked at the sacks. But next time I'm in the restaurant-- Tuesday-- I'll check.

      --

      I write in my journal
    6. Re:Yes, but no. by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
      Cool, thanks!

      Two secret cheeses, eh? Hmm. Must be part of the professional chef thing. You already mentioned Parmigiano (Reggiano?) on out-of-the-box stuff, I don't see why not with the gourmet version, too.

      Hmm, let's see...almost all Italian... Mozzarella Di Bufala would be nicely exotic. Ricotta would take it in an interesting direction, but naw, too different than the other ones. Mozzarella Fresca is the safest guess.

      If it's not Italian, there are too many choices. I ran into a Dutch Mimolette in France that is my current favorite (because I haven't been able to find it here), so that'd be my second choice. Not that it would be a perfect match to the others.

      By far my favorite cheddar is New York cheddar, but I suppose that's irrelevent.

      (I had a feeling you'd have the response-notification-by-email turned on, and took a chance on replying days late...most people don't seem to have it turned on, and I only noticed its existence myself by accident maybe a month ago.)

      --
      Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary
    7. Re:Yes, but no. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      You already mentioned Parmigiano (Reggiano?) on out-of-the-box stuff, I don't see why not with the gourmet version, too.

      That's one. A little of this, mixed with panko-style breadcrumbs, over the top, and then two minutes under the salamander before service. Can you guess the other one? ;-)

      Mozzarella Fresca is the safest guess.

      No, that would be too sweet, too acidic. This dish needs a more complex flavor base. Also, think less stringy.

      I ran into a Dutch Mimolette in France that is my current favorite

      No, I've gotta say that you're way off there. Mimolette is too fruity for this dish.

      I'll give it to you. The secret ingredient is Stilton. Stinky, veiny Stilton. Make a blonde roux, add just a bit warm cream and some white stock, then crumble in the Stilton. I, personally, could eat this mixture with a spoon. That's what forms the base of my mac and cheese.

      I had a feeling you'd have the response-notification-by-email turned on

      Not by email, no, but I do have notification enabled.

      --

      I write in my journal
  64. Of course he's taken... by guacamolefoo · · Score: 2

    He's married to Kate Capshaw. Duh. Don't you people watch E! except for the Anna Nicole show?

    Sheesh.

  65. Piiiiiiigs In... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2

    ...naw, can't do it.

  66. Scifi channel died a long, long time ago... by bani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean really. "Field of dreams" is sci fi? "Cape Fear"? "The flintstones"? Give me a fucking break.

  67. Colonels and Horny Aliens by pmancini · · Score: 2

    Colonels are very powerful. Management of a project like this could easily fall under a colonel while Generals did the overseeing of the project. I am not surprised by this. There have been many historical projects run by colonels that seem to scale to this one in size (though nothing would scale to it in importance).

    On the point of horny aliens making lonely housewives pregnant, this too jives. The source material is American Mythology, not Science. It certainly fits in with the UFO mythology.

    Further they take the story and successfully kill Roswell's part in it! It needed to be done. Mogul needed to be put in it's proper place. I give them a huge thumbs up for that. The smoking gun on Roswell has always been what was recovered. Even Dee Proctor admits it could only fill two (2) wheel barrows. That couldn't possibly be enough material for the alleged UFO. By confirming that what hit Corona (the actual site of the crash is Corona but Roswell has and AFB so it got the name recognition) the writers have breathed fresh air into a story that would otherwise have had a very tough time allowing people like me to suspend disbelief.

  68. Re:At least it's not Braveheart by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2

    Why was that movie on Sci-Fi?

    Because it was cheap? Hell, it was on the "Food Network" last week.

    I can't get enough of that one guy getting shot in the left cheek with an arrow...

  69. Re:Close Encounters of the Worst Kind by geek · · Score: 2

    Kinda like how James Camerons name got used in Dark Angel when he only directed one episode in 2 seasons.

  70. Re:WHO TOOK HIM!?! by Psion · · Score: 2

    Grrr...I've been cracking that joke ever since last night in person and on a bunch of discussion sites, and all I've been met with are blank stares and chirping crickets.

    AND THEN YOU GET MODERATED "FUNNY" FOR IT.

    *sigh*

    Oh well, maybe if I make some cracks about abusive boyfriends, I'll get a snicker...

  71. It's not Stealing, it's... by IBitOBear · · Score: 2

    ...a flagrant DMCA Copyright violation.

    You see, watching the comercial without buying the product is a DMCA violation as the chain-of-process protecting the advertisers intellectual property starts at the invention of marketing plan and ends at the city dump.

    By using your brain to abort the process of conception to advertisement to purchase to addictive use to discard-with-immediate-repurchase you are interupting the process which protects the intellectual property (e.g. the senior partner's Jaguar ownership) of the marketing firm. This is identical to interrupting the delivery-chain inside your DVD by DeCCSing the movie.

    So your brain, by recognizing the worthlessness of the comercial and the product constitutes a circumvention of a technology intended to provide the marketers with access to their Jaguars.

    The FBI will be by shortly to arrest you, confisiate your brain, drain your wallet into the hands of the marketing company, and repatriate you as an afgan so that you may then be held by the CIA as a forign terrorist.

    --
    Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
    --"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
  72. The inset logo is better. by IBitOBear · · Score: 2

    The single thing I noticed about the inset logo (annoying little thing in the lower right hand of the screen) is that the new one is *MUCH* less visually intrusive.

    Yes, I noticed it, and yes, it is different.

    But by slimming down the letters, and turning the "base" ringed planet into the dual-silloette (spelling?) of just the ring and the planetary arc they reduced the "this covers crap up" factor by about 50%. It is still suggestive of the ringed planet, but now it is (were you to do a 3D analysis of the image 8-) just the user in near syzygy with the star (light source) roughly behind the planet, so two swooping arcs replace the planet. This moves the bulk of the planatary body OFF MY DAMN VIEWING AREA.

    Reducing the screen clutter is always better. 8-)

    --
    Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
    --"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
  73. YAWN by samantha · · Score: 2

    I really did not like this show at all. For all the hype it had nothing particularly interesting to offer. There was certainly nothing for hard science fiction folks. It was mainly a very human drama type flick with a few "aliens", a bit of hardware and the common assumptions and assertions thrown in. Afterwards I wished I at finished configuring the new house network instead.

    Generally I am considerably underwhelmed by the so-called "SciFi" channel. They will put any piece of B (or worse) trash on, give a lot of time to "Crossing Over" and other psychic hokum and pad with way too many and too many of the same low-grade commercials (this show was an exception on the commercials). If you want to see just how braindead our culture is, watch the SciFi channel.

  74. mountain gorillas by taxman_10m · · Score: 2

    What about mountain gorillas? We skulk around for those and are very careful not to interfere. Well, not interfere except when we drug one and cart it back someplace to be studied. Anyone know if we reintroduce them into the population after study? If mountain gorillas could talk eh? "These tall slender beings with barely any hair at all abducted me, probed me, stuck me with needles." Yeh, no way some alien civilization would treat us like we treat mountain gorillas right?

  75. The birth of the Sci-Fi Money Maker by hellfire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "In conclusion, SCIFI is trading Farscape for John Edwards and in the process losing its soul. Instead of watching a particular show, I would watch "SCIFI" - I don't do that anymore, I pick and choose from a rapidly shrinking pool of shows I want to see. And the shows that do remain could be as easily shown on many other, less distinct, channels. I'm sure "The Dream Team" would do just as well on VH1. So sad to see you go SCIFI, it was fun while it lasted."

    Of course it is, this is the nature of all cabel channels. They do really well in the beginning but then they just skew to their audience to get better ratings and settle into a funk of turning out crap.

    Every year a cable channel is remaking itself into one thing, something that can make money. Several years ago it was The Learning Channel which no longer teaches anyone anything but is mostly melodrama about emergency rooms, police chases, and weird medical sob stories. Recently they got back to their roots by actually putting something on during prime time that educates about science or history, but I have the history channel now so pffffffft (God how I long for Connections:2).

    Last year it was "The new TNN!" and their revamp around Star Trek:TNG, Baywatch, and Wrestling, from a country and western style station (If you weren't enough of a redneck to know before, it used to be the Nashville Network, now its The National Network).

    This year its the Sci-Fi channel, and I'm surprised it didn't come before. What most /.ers consider real Sci Fi doesn't sell to the masses unless its action-packed. Actioned-Packed Sci fi is expensive... too expensive for TV.

    John Edwards is cheap, and he pulls in ratings.

    I don't see this as a death, just the natural order of that evil thing called cable.

    If I want sci-fi, I'll tape Adult swim on Saturday night on Cartoon Network (mmmmmmmmm Cowboy Bebop *incessant drooling*)

    --

    "All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"

  76. Slime worms? by BasharTeg · · Score: 2

    Debian makes slime worms?!

    So now they have two products, Linux and slime worms. Interesting.

    1. Re:Slime worms? by totallygeek · · Score: 2
      .

      Debian makes slime worms?! So now they have two products, Linux and slime worms. Interesting.

      Most computer users find the slimeworms more user friendly. Microsoft has distributed slimeworm product for years. They just don't call it that.

  77. While they don't tramp about ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 2
    the people who study mountain gorillas are there in the open. They avoid staring at the gorillas in the eye (as that is provocative), they keep quiet so as to not interrupt the flow of their interactions, but they aren't hidden (They couldn't be. Gorillas travel all day for food and the researchers travel with them). They don't dress up as gorillas.

    I would doubt that the researchers in the wild drug and drag the gorillas (it would provoke the whole troop).

  78. Not sums, hyphen abductions! by Phong · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think you have witnessed an actual hyphen abduction in progress! I had been wondering why so many hyphens were missing from people's text these days. Now, all is clear -- they have been taken away by an alien race for nefarious purposes!

    Witness the original sentence, as we imagine it must have looked at the start of the event:

    The whole series is a total of 10, 2-hour events.

    Note that the hyphen is in its correct place. Now, the snapshot you took shows the aliens starting to pull the hyphen to the left, which manages to obscure the comma:

    The whole series is a total of 10 - 2 hour events.

    If you had dropped by /. just moments later, the hyphen would have undoubtedly been completely gone.

    Good work! You've solved another mystery that has been baffling mankind for decades!

    --
    ..wayne..
  79. butt... by sacrilicious · · Score: 2

    ... did you remember to lock your toilet shut so you won't be tempted to visit it while watching television?

    --
    - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.