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Anonymous Coward writes "A new issue of the Phrack Magazine, #60 has been released today. It details some decent technique about kernel exploitation (OpenBSD), Cisco remote exploit, how to backdoor a core bzimage kernel and other stuff. The ascii based magazine is available at phrack.org."

239 comments

  1. Slow Day? by Cyno01 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Wow, a new issue of phrack is out whoopdie friggin doo!

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:Slow Day? by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Dude, I don't know about you, but Phrack brings back some _intense_ memories for me.

      (reminiscing about my first beige box experience - dial tone!)

      I tend to think that the news here is more along the lines of "Phrack is back" than they've released a new issue. If you don't appreciate Phrack, you're probably either too young or too old.

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      Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
    2. Re:Slow Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (reminiscing about my first beige box experience - dial tone!)

      Whoo boy! You must be getting all tingly?

      Of course everyone knows that a beige box is a regular telephone with the plug chopped off the end and alligator clips attached. WOW! You are so l33t, dude. What amount of brainpower did it take to hook that up? Hope you didn't cum all over yourself thinking about it.

    3. Re:Slow Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Hope you didn't cum all over yourself thinking about it.
      I hate to disappoint you but you should see the mess in here.
    4. Re:Slow Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, 'ascii based', no pictures, no flash, no animations, nothing. Who needs this anyway. Bah.

  2. I dont mean to bait the flames... by packeteer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... But isn't micheal going too far?

    look at his last couple of articles... they are just plain weird...

    i dunno what it is and im not saying its really horrible to get some change but im just curious why these articles have shown up all of a sudden...

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    unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
    1. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PMS. Don't worry, it'll pass.

    2. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by kinnunen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have never been a big fan of micheal, but if I he can bring some fresh air in to this stinkhole then more power to him. I've been reading slashdot for several years and I'm pretty damn sick of the endless stream of stories about DMCA, RIAA, MPAA, anything about MS that immediately has a score 5 comment about how unstable windows95 is, how some company in Canada that I've never heard of is doing a linux feasibilty study, a new 1000TB storage technology that will never hit the stores, etc etc. It's always a variation of some basic story that we've already heard a thousand times - the following discussion usually has NO variation. Everyone agrees Jack Valentini is an asshole, and about 50% of readers think MS can go to hell and the other 50% thinks they are just another big corp that sometimes does stuff we don't like but should be tolerated. Even "weird" is an improvement over the same old tired shit.

    3. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by dagbrown · · Score: 1

      Wow, bitching about how Slashdot has nothing but all this nerdy crap?

      Boy are you in the wrong place.

    4. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about him, but for me, it just irritates me that EVERY SINGLE FUCKING REPLY is incredibly predictable and easily fits into one of several category of responses that is inevitable to any story. It's just getting old.

    5. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not that weird. phrack 58 was published in Dec. 2001, 59 in August. The website was up and down sporadically and some didn't think it was going to be around anymore. So issue 60 is news, at least to some people.

    6. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you do something out of the ordinary so Slashdot can post an article on it? Then all of the articles will be a little less predictable than you already think they are.

    7. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do not want to read /., do not read it. It is that simple.

    8. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by packeteer · · Score: 2

      Im tired of posts like yours that simply point out what slashdot tends to be like and get modded up. Posts like that bring no insight to a discussion unless a person knows nothing at all about slashdot. Of course we know what we do on slashdot and most of us like it. If you dont like slashdot your free to leave.

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    9. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love it or leave it, huh? Well, some people have this *crazy* belief those are not the only two options. You are allowed, for example, to point out what you think is wrong in the system and hope someone pays attention.

    10. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1
      All you've done is prove that you have no interest in the discussions, on /. , forgive me for being obvious, but the soln is real simple, "g o f i n d a s i t e y o u l i k e", or make your own, this is /. it's like it is because most of us like it that way, if you don't like it then, you are not a /. geek (maybe not even a geek), so go find a site you like. Like how dumb are you???

      The only things I don't like about /. is:

      • 1. Idiots like you, who can only whinge that /. is /. and not some other site.
      • 2. Trolls who post links to some guys enourmous rectial cavity: (hint this is not a gay porn site, so your in the wrong place).
      • 3. M$ Trolls, who complain becuase we give tiny sensitive ittle M$ a hard time.
      • & the Trolls.
      if we could get rid of all you Troll types /. would be as near to perfect as I could hope for.
      --
      in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
      Francis Smit
    11. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like you have any real insight into things, huh ? Anyone with a bozo sig like yours (HINT, HINT - its umount not unmount !) is probably a puerile little fuckbrain. Its you who should be shown the door.

    12. Re:I dont mean to bait the flames... by packeteer · · Score: 2

      Too bad it IS unmount. Not everyone used BASH or gnu/linux. I find it funny that people who know enough about unix to know its umount think they know more than me yet they are the ones who are wrong and relaly have no clue how much i know. "unmount" is a valid command on smoe machine, probably not your but maybe if you learned more than just your one distro you might know that.

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      unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
  3. Local Man Has Same Name by eln · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Slow News Day Grips Springfield

    1. Re:Local Man Has Same Name by eln · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Great, now this is destined to be modded down as redundant.

  4. Perhaps... and I'm not meaning to troll either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But did you ever consider the possibility that michael is a fucking idiot/asshole/nincompoop/[fill in your favorite adjective here]?

    Gee, Mikey boy, I wonder how many script kiddies you're filling with this wonderful knowledge, jackass.

  5. Phrack. by nizcolas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Man, they don't make em like they used to. Is F.U.C.K. (fucked up college kids) still around?

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    If you get an error, type "OVERRIDE" or "SECURITY OVERRIDE" and then try the optimize command again.
    1. Re:Phrack. by packeteer · · Score: 4, Informative

      They stopped making their zine a long time ago... some of the ppl frmo F.U.C.K. formed www.attrition.org where you can find all the old copies of F.U.C.K.

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      unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
    2. Re:Phrack. by gir · · Score: 4, Informative

      What do you mean they don't make them like they used to?

      Surprisingly enough, the textfile scene is quite alive!

      Both www.textscene.com and scene.textfiles.com do what they can to stay on top of the newest tfiles.

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      stupid advertisement .sig
      www.angstmonster.org
    3. Re:Phrack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am especially impressed with that huge GIF at the top of the page with their text logo in it. Real winners there.

    4. Re:Phrack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir, are a douche.

  6. Wow... by JPhule · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I remember reading phrack back in the day. It gave me fun things to do friends and foes before I realized how stupid a lot of it was. Building red, blue, biege etc. boxes and turning off my nieghbors phone. It was mostly juvenile stuff that just turned me into a little delinquent but it got me interested in the tech industry and I apprieciate that.


    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude the new Wal-Mart catalogue is out! It teach you how to order a cheapo t-shirt. I'm an uber elite lord master!

    2. Re:Wow... by gmack · · Score: 2

      I was always fond of that bomb recipie they published. It had this jem in the refinement instructions: "set up the apperatus and *run*" if that's not enough to remove the person from the gene pool the instructions finished by saying the resulting explosives should be detonated by throwing a rock at it.

      After that I stopped reading Phrack for some reason..

  7. 42 to 60... by SoSueMe · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ... wooohooo, this is a Big Numbers NewsDay!

  8. "..recent vulnerabilities in the OpenBSD kernel.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We will focus on 2 recent vulnerabilities in the OpenBSD kernel as our case studies."

    4... 5... 6... 7... 8 seconds without hole in the default install, and counting!

    (not that BSD wouldn't be alive and well, however...)

  9. Most first posts in a thread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are more posts in this fp thread than in the rest of the article at the moment...

    well here's another one :-)

  10. Re:ASCII by kingkade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So how is Phrack more "ascii-based" than, oh, say, Slashdot?

    Well, I think it means there is no layout or formatting information such as in, oh, say, Slashdot.

  11. Anyone notice... by Dillon2112 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...that the link is to phrack.org but when you actually go there, their current site name is a bit different? =P
    I like some of what they stand for (intellectual curiosity, hacking (in the real sense) and freedom) but a lot of what they *do* with those ideas is a bit dissapointing. In this case however, its not only right on target, but funny as well.

  12. Cool domain by alfaiomega · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The gzipped tarball of Phrack #60 is available at http://www.phrack-dont-give-a-shit-about-dmca.org/ archives/phrack60.tar.gz

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  13. This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    root@phrack.org:/var/log > grep '\.mil' httpd_access.log | uniq | wc -l
    248
    root@phrack.org:/var/log > grep '\.gov' httpd_access.log | uniq | wc -l
    937

    Am I wrong in assuming that httpd_access.log contains a lot more information per line than just the contacting domain(timestamps, commands, etc)? And is httpd_access.log sorted? Is there another version of uniq that I don't know about?

    1. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Am I wrong in assuming that httpd_access.log contains a lot more information per line than just the contacting domain(timestamps, commands, etc)?

      Yes. And your point is? (Of course you do understand the meaning of grep '\.gov' httpd_access.log, now don't you?)

      > And is httpd_access.log sorted?

      Of course it's sorted, why wouldn't it? Did you think it's being shuffled after every line written?

      > Is there another version of uniq that I don't know about?

      I'm sure there is. Do you know about uniq 2.0 form GNU textutils? 1.0? 1.4? Maybe BSD version? Solaris? AT&T? Older SunOS? Perl Power Tools? Minix? System V?

      Do you have any more intelligent questions? Good. Now go play outside with other stupid kids, because there is no place for you in front of a computer.

    2. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Am I wrong in assuming that httpd_access.log contains a lot more information per line than just the contacting domain(timestamps, commands, etc)?"

      sweet zombie jesus! you mean there's more in httpd logs than millions of lines containing a dot and a tld?! fuck me in my anus with a 10 inch dildo without a foreplay, you're right!

    3. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      grep '\.gov' httpd_access.log | uniq | wc -l

      Am I wrong in assuming that httpd_access.log contains a lot more information per line than just the contacting domain(timestamps, commands, etc)? And is httpd_access.log sorted? Is there another version of uniq that I don't know about?


      perl -nle'print$1 if/([\w.]+\.(gov|mil))/' httpd_access.log|sort -u|wc -l

      you skript kiddies these days can't even count domains in a log file? then how the fuck do you think you will clean the logs after your intrusion, heh? god, what have i done to deserve living on a moron planet?!

    4. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is Phrack?"

      Yes, it is. It's a zin for script kiddies (oh, sorry! I mean 31337 h4x0r5). What's your point?

    5. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to sort before you apply uniq. All it does is filter out identical consecutive lines. So it just eliminates obvious duplicates, like someone hitting reload or clicking the link twice quickly or something.

    6. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yes. And your point is?

      My point? Well, two lines that look like this:

      someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:00 -0500] "Get ...
      someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:05 -0500] "Get ...

      Will both show up with grep '\.gov' and neither are unique though both are likely to be coming from the same session.

      Or how about:

      someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:00 -0500] "Get ...
      anotherplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:03 -0500] "Get ...
      someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:05 -0500] "Get ...
      anotherplace.goc [29/Dec/2002:03:45:07 -0500] "Get ...

      Now you have two sessions that will all show up as four unique connections.

      > (Of course you do understand the meaning of grep
      > '\.gov' httpd_access.log, now don't you?)

      Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.

      > Of course it's sorted, why wouldn't it?

      Is it really? Log entries usually occur when an event happens. I suppose it is sorted by time but that wouldn't really help a utility that does string comparisons, now would it?

      > Do you know about uniq 2.0 form GNU textutils?
      > 1.0? 1.4? Maybe BSD version? Solaris? AT&T?
      > Older SunOS? Perl Power Tools? Minix? System V?

      I know some of those but not all. The ones I know about don't work the way they are intending it to work. If they are looking for unique sessions then the entries need to be sorted by session and everything but the host needs to be stripped before being passed to uniq. If they are looking for unique host access then everything but the host needs to be stripped and the whole file needs to be sorted alphabetically before being passed to uniq. As it stands, the only way those commands will work from them is if they use custom logging to log only host names and if no .mil or .gov IP's try to access their site at the same time.

      > Do you have any more intelligent questions? Good

      I'm still waiting for an intelligent reply. Maybe there is one after your post.

      > Now go play outside with other stupid kids,
      > because there is no place for you in front of a
      > computer

      My goodness! Such strong words for someone who knows so very little.

    7. Re:This is Phrack? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      Still, unless I was on a pretty darn low traffic webserver, I'd argue for sorting first...

    8. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You don't have to sort before you apply uniq.

      You are correct but you should have some assurance that it'll work in the context of the file.

      > like someone hitting reload or clicking the link
      > twice quickly or something

      It'd have to be the same access within a second unless they aren't timestamping.

    9. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point is that, while catering to a lower element, the technical information in Phrack is very good--I can't believe that a zine like that(scan through it yourself--the coverage is too deep to be relegated to script kiddie status) would not know how to parse a log properly.

    10. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch out he's a gaylord super hacker! He knows how to spy you through your monitor.

    11. Re:This is Phrack? by alfaiomega · · Score: 2

      You don't have to sort before you apply uniq.

      Still, unless I was on a pretty darn low traffic webserver, I'd argue for sorting first...

      Just use perl '-ne$_{$_}++||print' instead of uniq and you don't need no stinkin sorting ever again. (What memory usage?)

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    12. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:00 -0500] "Get ...
      > someplace.gov [29/Dec/2002:03:45:05 -0500] "Get ...
      >
      > Will both show up with grep '\.gov' and neither are unique
      > though both are likely to be coming from the same session.

      why won't you use "uniq -W1" is just beyond me...
      try "man uniq" some time.
      hope it'll help you.

    13. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > My point is that, while catering to a lower element,
      > the technical information in Phrack is very good--I
      > can't believe that a zine like that(scan through it
      > yourself--the coverage is too deep to be relegated
      > to script kiddie status) would not know how to parse
      > a log properly.

      I've read few articles (about kernel buffer overflow
      exploiting and statical kernel patching) and, well,
      it's not a rocket science if you ask me...

    14. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't laugh at him. he was right in suspecting that the httpd log can indeed contain anything you want:

      LogFormat "%h" common
      CustomLog /var/log/httpd_access.log common

      this is nothing unusual, actually. he just did not know the LogFormat used on phrack.org, you do not have to laugh at people, you can just kindly explain to them the things they are ignorant about. is that not nicer? that way we can all learn more and enjoy the common knowledge.

    15. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perl -nle'print$1 if/([\w.]+\.(gov|mil))/' httpd_access.log|sort -u|wc -l

      i'd suggest usin more processes and sorting overhead, you fuckin moron! are you a fucking perl illiterate or what? seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? why not simply write this:

      perl '-le/([\w.]+\.(gov|mil))/&&$_{$1}++for<>;print%_+0 ' httpd_access.log

      it takes the same number of chars, but is much faster and cleaner. you fuckin bitch and bash people, like your some fuckin genius or something and you post such a damn lame perl oneliner which got to filter its stupid output through another two processes, one of which has to sort the whole shit, just to count unique domains in a god damned flat text file, that you almost made me fuckin puke, thinking about your fuckin stupidity! please take no offense, but looking at your code everyone can tell who the fuck is the biggest moron here! now get the fuck outta here if your to stupid to even write a halfass script, you mother fucker! and dont even come back before you read the camel book few times!

    16. Re:This is Phrack? by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      The big problem here is that the timestamp for each line would be in there, so you wouldn't have any idea as to how many hosts were hitting you, as you could hit the same pagee every second and it would be counted as a different site.

      try:
      awk '{print $1}' httpd_access.log |grep \.mil |uniq |wc -l

      --
      -- I speak only for myself.
    17. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* You didn't follow the thread, did you?

    18. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct that I didn't know about custom logging when I wrote the post at the top of the thread but it still doesn't work the way they intended without sorting.

    19. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't in the domain of script kiddies, either.

    20. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they had used that I wouldn't have been inclined to point it out--though it still doesn't take into account interleaved access from .mil sites.

    21. Re:This is Phrack? by Curl+E · · Score: 1

      Also note that uniq only works on a sorted file:

      NAME
      uniq - remove duplicate lines from a sorted file

      SYNOPSIS
      uniq [OPTION]... [INPUT [OUTPUT]]

      So you should make it

      sort | uniq

      And since you are firing up sort you can save another process by using

      sort -u
      Really the only time I use uniq is to count the duplicates:
      sort | uniq -c
      --
      Backups are for wimps. Real men post their data in comments and have slashdot mirror it
    22. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and what the fuck is wrong with the shit I posted
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=49189& cid=4976139

      perl '-le/([\w.]+\.(gov|mil))/&&$_{$1}++for<>;print%_+0 ' httpd_access.log

      that your god damned

      awk '{print $1}' httpd_access.log |grep \.mil |uniq |wc -l

      has Score:1 and my has Score:0?
      your a karma whore or moderators are your friends?
      cause i dont see any reason why you shit was scored
      higher than my shit!

      and "awk '{print $1}'"? what the fuck?
      why the hell not use "cut -f1 -d\ "?
      did you try "ls -shL `which awk cut`" lately? no?
      let me show you the results:

      100k /usr/bin/awk
      12k /usr/bin/cut

      hey, why not use fuckin java to print the first word of every line,
      while we're at it! now you understand why using awk here was the
      most stupid idea ever said in this thread?

      ok, good, and now fyi unsorted uniq wont do you a jack shit.
      itll only remove the same lines which are next to each other.

      if you want unsorted uniq then use the command some other
      fuckin joker posted in this thread
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=49189& cid=4975934

      perl '-ne$_{$_}++||print'

      cause you aint gonna uniq unsorted stream any other way,
      not with "uniq" my friend. but what the fuck am i talkin here,
      you wont beat the performance of my oneliner if your gonna sort
      it all before countin, not in this lifetime!

      wanna count mil and gov indapendant in one pass? here you go:

      perl '-le/([\w.]+\.(gov|mil))/&&$_{$2}{$1}++for<>;print $_,%{$_{$_}}+0for keys%_' httpd_access.log

      can you do a shit like this using textutils, heh?
      now all you loosers understand why this lang is named "perl"?

      thats right.

      and please, dont fuck with me next time,
      when we're talking about my scripts which are superior than
      your and still scored lower, i have zero toleranse for
      stupidity.

      try some fuckin fair moderation next time,
      instead of scoring shitty posts higher than good ones
      just to satisfy your agenda.

    23. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what you mean? it will count the number how many hits your website had, counting only mil or gov domain names, what more do you need to know? if you sort and uniq then you will have every domain counted only one time, no matter how many hits there was from it. it is not what they wanted to do on phrack.org, i hope you realise that.

    24. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > *sigh* You didn't follow the thread, did you?

      no, i just pointed out your stupidity.
      do i have to read 200 posts to understand the genius hidden in yours?
      then please forgive me, my good lord!
      *sigh*

    25. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It isn't in the domain of script kiddies, either.

      What the hell? Of course it is! Face it.
      The only purpose is to exploit (to r00t if you will)
      other people computers and they kindly point you out
      every little thing you need to do it. People who follow
      those instructions are exactly script kiddies in my dictionary.
      And I was only talking about kernel buffer overflow
      exploiting and statical kernel patching. Should I point
      out other things like a lesson on using Google to find
      out what are some company's hosts or the article explaining
      how integers work? I don't think so.
      Face it, Phrack is a lame zin directed to script kiddies.
      If you want to be a hacker, not a script kiddie, then forget
      about Phrack and read some real stuff, like Don Knuth's books.
      If you say "but that stuff is difficult and I wanna break
      some computer and destroy some poor guy's partition table now"
      then sorry, keep reading Phrack.

    26. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Watch out he's a gaylord super hacker!
      > He knows how to spy you through your monitor.

      Oh, sorry. I forgot that you script kiddies wet you pants when you find out that someone can connect to your computers, espectally on Slashdot, when it's not a rocket science to get ip numbers of posters. What's even more funny is that most of you loosers in this thread are running Windows, and I'm sure you'll scream "but who could know my ip, I was posting anonymously, therefore my Windows 98 system was secure!" after you'll find bo2k on your porn storage devices...

    27. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I wrong in assuming that httpd_access.log contains a lot more information per line than just the contacting domain(timestamps, commands, etc)?

      In short: yes.

    28. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > > awk '{print $1}' httpd_access.log |grep \.mil |uniq |wc -l

      > If they had used that I wouldn't have been inclined to point it out

      too fuckin bad, cause it's still wrong.
      see my posts to know how to do it well:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=49189 &cid=4976139
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid= 49189&cid=4979374

      but i get fuckin rated as score:0,
      so no one is reading my god damn posts,
      and you discuss you shitty scripts instead!
      what the fuck is this slashdot shit anyway?

    29. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > My goodness! Such strong words for someone who knows so very little.

      Oh, shut your noisehole!
      He pointed out that you're stupid, and now you're angry.
      You won't contribute to the discussion that way, honey.

    30. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > awk '{print $1}' httpd_access.log |grep \.mil |uniq |wc -l
      >
      > -- I speak only for myself.

      THANK FUCKIN GOD!

    31. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

      hey, what does the shit from your sig do?

    32. Re:This is Phrack? by alfaiomega · · Score: 2

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

      hey, what does the shit from your sig do?

      It sends Xmas tree packets (with fin, urg, and push flags) to everyone, which is a traditional Internet Xmas Greeting. You have to download Nmap first. You may want to add a -Tinsane option (which means: set the Tin variable to "sane"). Have fun. But hurry up, because it's a tradition to send those greetings before the New Year.

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    33. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the coverage is too deep to be relegated to script kiddie status"???
      man, who the fuck are you trying to fool here?
      besides, "script kiddie" aint no social status,
      its a fuckin knowledge level, no more no less.

    34. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I point out that someone doesn't know how to parse a log and, all of a sudden, it's me who doesn't know?

    35. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, great dude. but why the fuck no one aint
      paying attention to what i posted

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4918 9&cid=4976139
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid =49189&cid=4979374
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p l?sid=49189&cid=4979549
      (what the fuck is wrong with those fuckin spaces?)

      is that because my posts constantly get rated with
      score:0 and your is score:1?

      who the fuck rates it, anyway?
      it must be some fuckin moron!

      by the way, "uniq only works on a sorted file"
      is a bull shit. it removes lines which are the same
      as the line before. it's kinda like

      perl '-ne"$ne"ne($ne=$_)&&print'

      sorting the file is useful in some cases and stupid
      in other cases. in every case, however, it's a waste of
      time if all you need is to fuckin count the hosts
      and shit like that.

      see: other shit i posted in this thread.

    36. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, puhleeeese! i hope you don't believe in all the crap you posted. you sound like an angry child, who didn't get the most expensive toy in the store. you made a mistake - now face it.

    37. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. You just scream like a baby and sound stupid. That's why people don't like you. You bitch about these irrelevant details like your life depended on them! Have you ever thought about getting a life maybe? Or is your mother's basement comfortable enough for you? Maybe you should get laid from time to time, you wouldn't be so frustrated about every little one line script which insults your honor! My God, every skript kiddie is alike...

    38. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, cool, I didn't know about it. But man, it's slow like shit. With the -Tinsane it seems faster, but it's still slow like hell. How much time does this greeting need to finish? I have 2.4GHz and 2Mbps DSL and it's already running like 5 hours or something. When will this end? Maybe it's some bug in my Windows that it hangs or what? No, I just checked my bandwidth and it seems to be fully used. Does this program really need so much traffic? Because it's kinda hard to work in the net when it's running. Thanks.

    39. Re:This is Phrack? by alfaiomega · · Score: 2

      Heh, cool, I didn't know about it.

      You should have heard. That's a long Internet tradition.

      But man, it's slow like shit.

      You have to be patient.

      With the -Tinsane it seems faster, but it's still slow like hell.

      It is faster, trust me.

      How much time does this greeting need to finish?

      Just be patient.

      I have 2.4GHz and 2Mbps DSL and it's already running like 5 hours or something.

      The genesis of this tradition reaches the times when there were much less hosts on the Internet to send the greetings to.

      When will this end?

      It will all end much sooner than you think.

      Maybe it's some bug in my Windows that it hangs or what?

      I don't think so.

      No, I just checked my bandwidth and it seems to be fully used.

      So everything works correctly.

      Does this program really need so much traffic?

      Yes, it does. In fact, it needs even more. But you don't have more, do you?

      Because it's kinda hard to work in the net when it's running.

      Not only for you, trust me.

      Thanks.

      You are welcome.

      If you have any problems, look at the /dev/random from some system which supports this device and you'll find all of your answers there (however I can't tell you the offset, you have to search yourself) after you send the question to /dev/null. For example:

      echo "Am I naive?" > /dev/null; strings /dev/random | less

      Just be patient with the searching, like with the Nmap Xmas Greeting. Good luck.

      Please ignore the garbage inserted to satisfy the lame filter: cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3 a87ff679a2f3e71d9181a67b7542122c e4da3b7fbbce2345d7772b0674a318d5 1679091c5a880faf6fb5e6087eb1b2dc 8f14e45fceea167a5a36dedd4bea2543 c9f0f895fb98ab9159f51fd0297e236d 45c48cce2e2d7fbdea1afc51c7c6ad26 d3d9446802a44259755d38e6d163e820 6512bd43d9caa6e02c990b0a82652dca c20ad4d76fe97759aa27a0c99bff6710 c51ce410c124a10e0db5e4b97fc2af39 aab3238922bcc25a6f606eb525ffdc56 9bf31c7ff062936a96d3c8bd1f8f2ff3 c74d97b01eae257e44aa9d5bade97baf 70efdf2ec9b086079795c442636b55fb 6f4922f45568161a8cdf4ad2299f6d23 1f0e3dad99908345f7439f8ffabdffc4 98f13708210194c475687be6106a3b84 3c59dc048e8850243be8079a5c74d079 b6d767d2f8ed5d21a44b0e5886680cb9 37693cfc748049e45d87b8c7d8b9aacd 1ff1de774005f8da13f42943881c655f 8e296a067a37563370ded05f5a3bf3ec 4e732ced3463d06de0ca9a15b6153677 02e74f10e0327ad868d138f2b4fdd6f0 33e75ff09dd601bbe69f351039152189 6ea9ab1baa0efb9e19094440c317e21b 34173cb38f07f89ddbebc2ac9128303f c16a5320fa475530d9583c34fd356ef5 6364d3f0f495b6ab9dcf8d3b5c6e0b01 182be0c5cdcd5072bb1864cdee4d3d6e e369853df766fa44e1ed0ff613f563bd 1c383cd30b7c298ab50293adfecb7b18 19ca14e7ea6328a42e0eb13d585e4c22 a5bfc9e07964f8dddeb95fc584cd965d a5771bce93e200c36f7cd9dfd0e5deaa d67d8ab4f4c10bf22aa353e27879133c d645920e395fedad7bbbed0eca3fe2e0 3416a75f4cea9109507cacd8e2f2aefc a1d0c6e83f027327d8461063f4ac58a6 17e62166fc8586dfa4d1bc0e1742c08b f7177163c833dff4b38fc8d2872f1ec6 6c8349cc7260ae62e3b1396831a8398f d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f 67c6a1e7ce56d3d6fa748ab6d9af3fd7 642e92efb79421734881b53e1e1b18b6 f457c545a9ded88f18ecee47145a72c0 c0c7c76d30bd3dcaefc96f40275bdc0a 2838023a778dfaecdc212708f721b788 9a1158154dfa42caddbd0694a4e9bdc8 d82c8d1619ad8176d665453cfb2e55f0 a684eceee76fc522773286a895bc8436 b53b3a3d6ab90ce0268229151c9bde11 9f61408e3afb633e50cdf1b20de6f466 72b32a1f754ba1c09b3695e0cb6cde7f 66f041e16a60928b05a7e228a89c3799 093f65e080a295f8076b1c5722a46aa2 (yes, I've tried posting less garbage, but there's some minimal average line length of posts)

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    40. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attention to detail is stupid? Criticism is bitching? I'm just following this thread because I started it...what's your excuse?

    41. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...laid out my arguments in a fairly logical fashion. Contradict those arguments if you can.

      You can't...can you?

    42. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have to "believe" anything about my post. If you find fault with it then post your observations. Personal attacks are fine...I don't mind as long as you can take as good as you give...but if that's all you've got then it's not me who's sounding like an angry child.

    43. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's what they were intending then it'll only work with custom logging of hostnames only and even then it isn't accurate. I hope you can see this because it's becoming obvious from the flames I'm getting that few people here can see this.

      I think accuracy is important...not even an option with computers. Is it worth complaining about? Well, hopefully someone saw that and asked, "Why is that wrong" and learned something. I just wasn't expecting the number of posts that said "There's nothing wrong with it" or "It's good enough".

    44. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Script kiddie literature is generally along the lines of, "change the byte at X to Y" with little discussion as to why. The articles in Phrack usually include detailed discussion. AoP is good but it isn't the only source of information. Refusing to acknowledge other sources of information, no matter how much you disagree with their intentions, is ignorant.

    45. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know it's still wrong but it would have shown some effort to, at least, be partially right. As I'm sure you are aware from this thread, most here don't even see *anything* wrong with the original.

    46. Re:This is Phrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the context of my post, "deep" is not used in the philosophical sense.

  14. Re:ASCII by JPriest · · Score: 5, Funny
    "So how is Phrack more "ascii-based" than, oh, say, Slashdot?"

    Because Slashdot is in fucking HTML you nimrod.

    --
    Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
  15. how to get 4 @ ][ 0 r Skillz by sickboy_macosX · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Wanna be a mster haxor man, read Phrack and 2600 and write cool Password Grabbers in Perl man I wish i could be as leet as everyone else

    --
    --- /* In Soviet Russia, the Mac OS X kernel panics you! */
    1. Re:how to get 4 @ ][ 0 r Skillz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and I guess you don't just listen to music either, you write all your own. 'Cause listening to someone else's would be, like, soooo lame and unleet.

      And of course you build your own TVs that you watch your own programming on. You built your own house with tools YOU made from trees YOU chopped down... I think you get the point.

  16. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phrack text files are pure ASCII.

    Phrack.Org, as well as Slashdot.Org, are both HTML.

  17. Mirrored in advance. by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2

    ASCII sucks! In the future, we will all be using AMAZA-COLOR ANSI graphics!

    Aside from its dull graphics, phrack is a cool magazine and I recommend that everyone download it. If, by some act beyond our understanding, it gets /.ed, you can use my mirror here.

    --
    You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
  18. Great. by monoqlith · · Score: 1

    Like many others, I don't give a phrack.

  19. Nostalgia... by alfaiomega · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After looking at Phrack #1 from 1985 I decided that I just have to run
    for i in `seq -w 1 60 | tac`; do wget http://www.phrack.org/archives/phrack$i.tar.gz; done
    and spend this day on reading Phrack issues backwards. It's going to be a hellova nostalgic New Year for me... :_)

    --

    root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    1. Re:Nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You sir are in dire need of a life. But look at me posting to slashdot at 2:30 am.

    2. Re:Nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Damn your shell-specific command line!

      Personally, I'm a
      seq -w 60 1 | sed 's@.*@http://phrack.org/archives/phrack&.tar.g z@' | wget -i-

      kinda guy myself!

      (apologies for any slashdot code mangling)
    3. Re:Nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      man curl, saves you a lot of trouble.

    4. Re:Nostalgia... by alfaiomega · · Score: 1

      man curl, saves you a lot of trouble.

      What trouble?

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    5. Re:Nostalgia... by alfaiomega · · Score: 1

      Your code is better indeed, but still not perfect. What we should do here is to eliminate this high level wget thing for loosers, and write our own http query using netcat instead, like all the cool people do:

      for i in `seq -w 60 1`; do echo -e "GET /archives/phrack$i.tar.gz HTTP/1.0\n" | nc -v www.phrack.org 80 | perl -ne '$p&&print;/\S/||$p++' > phrack$i.tar.gz; done

      Now, that's more like it (except this lame perl filter, which is my biggest shame here, it should be sed of course). I leave you the pleasure of tranlating it to a big-ass sed loop.

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    6. Re:Nostalgia... by Fruit · · Score: 1
      curl -o 'phrack#1.tar.gz' 'http://phrack.org/archives/phrack[1-60].tar.gz'

      It won't do the backwards thing, though.

    7. Re:Nostalgia... by alfaiomega · · Score: 1

      Cool. Can you control user-agent and referer headers, http authentication and cookies?

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

    8. Re:Nostalgia... by Dahan · · Score: 2

      Try man curl for the answer to your question.

    9. Re:Nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      just do:
      curl -O 'http://phrack.org/archives/phrack[01-60].tar.gz'

      Same thing.. also you need "01" instead of "1" to get your leading zero on...
    10. Re:Nostalgia... by alfaiomega · · Score: 1

      Try man curl for the answer to your question.

      apt-get install curl && man curl actually, as I don't use it right now.
      But thanks anyway.

      --

      root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

  20. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks to me like this HTML is encoded as ASCII, smart guy.

  21. Took them long enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's too bad it took them so long. There are no good ezines left. It was nice back in the day when everyone had ezines. I remember rushing to d/l issues of phrack on my 2400 baud modem and then distributing them back to the local bbses. Hopefully phrack will be around for another hundred years and hopefully they'll produce issues more regularly..

  22. Traffic Lights by sharph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Theres an article about hacking traffic lights. Do you think that now that the information is now open to a wide public, we will see traffic lights doing weird things?

    1. Re:Traffic Lights by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Theres an article about hacking traffic lights. Do you think that now that the information is now open to a wide public, we will see traffic lights doing weird things?

      No, not really.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    2. Re:Traffic Lights by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2

      The information on building incendiary devices (that's "bombs" for any morons that may be reading this) is open to a wide public on the internet, too, but we don't see explosions all over the place... so most likely, no.

      --
      evil adrian
    3. Re:Traffic Lights by geek · · Score: 2

      Considering traffic lights wont blow up on you, people may find it more entertaining.

      Fewer people would fuck with bombs than traffic lights

    4. Re:Traffic Lights by Pyromage · · Score: 2

      I'd be not so sure. A lot of kids are fearless about personal injury, but I think there are more reckless young pyros than adolescents with no fear of authority. Sure, most thumb their nose at the Man often enough and give independance plenty of lip service, but anyone who gets caught fscking w/ traffic signals will be majorly fucked, and more kids will acknowledge that than their mortality, I think.

    5. Re:Traffic Lights by haunebu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Much easier is to just flash your brights thrice and the photoreceptors (present on top of/within most urban traffic controllers) will assume yours is an emergency vehicle and cycle to green ASAP.

      --

      Blue skies, Barthy Burgers, girls...

    6. Re:Traffic Lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk alot about "kids" and "man" and "lip service" this is scary. Are you a child molester?

    7. Re:Traffic Lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in soviet russia, the traffic lights fuck you!

    8. Re:Traffic Lights by rutledjw · · Score: 2
      What you mean like poor timing, waiting until you're 20 feet away and jumping to red with a .0003 second yellow cycle, being timed specifically so that unless you can get your car from 0 to warp 7 in 3 seconds you have no prayer of making the next light or randomly switching between normal and blinking operation?

      Denver has that already! Bastards! They must have been testing out their diabolical schemes here!

      Oh yeah, and before I get a load of mindless "I live in Denver and don't have..." responses, try driving around Uptown for a while. Let me know how that works out for 'ya

      --

      Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
    9. Re:Traffic Lights by DoctorPepper · · Score: 1

      What, you mean like working correctly? I wish!

      --

      No matter where you go... there you are.
    10. Re:Traffic Lights by isbhod · · Score: 1

      unless you're stuck in some backass town where all the lights are on timers. sometimes i hate wisconsin

    11. Re:Traffic Lights by RealAlaskan · · Score: 2
      The traffic lights where I used to live had such a photo receptor. The emergency vehicles had BRIGHT, focused xenon strobes which triggered them. I couldn't aim my headlights high enough to hit them, and my 4 D-cell maglight wasn't bright enough.

      I thought about making a strobe/parabolic reflector combo, but just never got around to it. The first question to answer would be: ``has anyone thought to outlaw it in my jurisdiction yet?''

    12. Re:Traffic Lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I know what you mean. You're driving alone on road in question, it's 2am, you haven't seen another car driving around in 20 minutes, and the light changes to red such that you have to slam on your brakes, because you never know when Officer Schmedlap is lurking around in order to give someone a ticket. And then you have to wait 5 minutes (it's usually no more than two, believe it or not) to get a green again.

      I think that at some intersections, when you see two induction loops in your lane very close together, they're measuring your speed, and decide that if you're going faster than -10xspeed limit you're speeding, so the system is programmed to do just that.

    13. Re:Traffic Lights by rutledjw · · Score: 2
      No, I think they're just stupid people managing these things. Example:

      To drive south on Grant past the captital you need to drive a brisk 55-60 mph (roughly 2X the legal limit) to BARELY hit the lights. You'll see lots of yellows, but you'll make it. I'm personally under no illusion that our city has the sophistication you describe. Just look at our mayor...

      --

      Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
  23. And in other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There is a new "free kevin" bumper sticker out.

    cDc are 31337.

    The Power Rangers is back on.

    Puberty has been postponed again.

  24. great!!! by Superfarstucker · · Score: 1

    can i subscribe to the 'i wanna be a hacker' club too? aww darn.. well LoL

    1. Re:great!!! by autocracy · · Score: 2

      Sure you can! - they'll post your subscription request in Loopback will all the other errors of society they find when they run fsck on their e-mail box :P

      --
      SIG: HUP
  25. What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know....the phrack editor who defrauded AT&T of many $$$$$$$, only it turned out to be $19.95?

    1. Re:What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still working at UUnet...er, Worldcom, AFAIK.

    2. Re:What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf?
      In grand Phrack tradition, here's a prophile of what he's been doing with himself lately.
    3. Re:What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So you're saying he's in prison, then?

      Tip: when using a redirect, make sure it's long enough to hide the "goatse.cx" past the link preview. That is all.

      ~~~

    4. Re:What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:What ever did happen toi Craig Neidorf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Not bad, but any of those "make a shorter link" URLs just scream "Goat Sex Ahead!" Nice for catching newbies, but not of much use otherwise.

      ~~~

  26. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I've seen some foreign chars on here, so I'd guess Slashdot is actually ISO-8859-1, which is a superset of ASCII.

    As for why they said "ascii" instead of "plain text", I dunno. I guess they think you'll open up the file in a hex editor and read the raw bytes someday, and they just wanted to make sure you knew how to interpret those raw bytes!

    Hopefully Phrack will submit their next issue in EBCDIC, and give us all a little excitement in our dreary lives.

    È@@@@@ÅÂÃÄÉÃK@èk@¦@\£\@@k@}£@¦o%%

  27. Re:ASCII by anothy · · Score: 2, Funny

    um... well, /. is indeed HTML, and the original question may well have come from a nimrod, but you're not actually providing any useful information. you can do html in ascii, y'know? an earlier reply to the same question managed to answer the question (suggesting that the phrase was meant to imply the lack of html-like formating) without getting overly nasty.
    of course, a more useful - and more correct - observation would have been that /. in fact isn't based on ascii, but can use international characters as well.
    you nimrod.

    --

    i speak for myself and those who like what i say.
  28. And fond memories they are! by murky.waters · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember back in the day, I was on an internship at a local comp-sci research center. Of course I was only given a lowly user account, actually even worse than that. Anyhow, I had fun exploring Solaris, creating a lot of core dmps mainly, and came about the new issue of phrack.

    I had looked through a few issues before after reading about it in Bruce Sterling's "Hacker Crackdown". I had perused the all-time favorites: how to build a bomb, a gun, how to break into cars, and so on. Back then, phrack was already archieved on the www, but the newest issue was only available as tarball. After lunch break, the admin asked me if had been reading phrack, he refered to it as "hacker stuff"---yes, I said, annoyed about him snooping around.

    But then I actually read the new issue.

    There was an article in it about how to get root on a Solaris workstation, exploiting the availability of FORTH on Sparc machines.

    I was sitting in front of a Solaris workstation.

    I smiled.

    I kept smiling.

    Four days and a lot of experimentation later, the administrator found a new file in his personal TODO directory (yes, he had actually called it that). It read


    *""""""""""""""""""*
    [pHraCK]

    MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ IT, TOO.
    *""""""""""""""""""*


    The link to the phrack article.

    --
    Imagine the Creator as a stand up commedian - and at once the world becomes explicable. -Mencken
    1. Re:And fond memories they are! by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep, Phrack has come to my rescue too.

      Was talking to a systems guy where I was working (where they still use VMS), and inquired why we hadn't migrated to something else... His reply was that VMS had never been hacked.

      Never been hacked?? That piqued my curiousity... fortunately, I knew just where to look (from my misspent youth). A short search of the Phrack archives turned up not one but several VMS hacks. They were mostly social engineering hacks rather than code expoits, but they were legitimate hacks.

      Rather than getting annoyed at an amateur (which I was, and still remain), the systems guy actually read the articles with some interest. The ability to learn something from someone who's clearly your tech inferior, without any ego getting in the way... gotta admire that.

      --
      Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
    2. Re:And fond memories they are! by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, I hate to say it, but internships pretty much exist to build experience and get some good recommendations. A lot of times, it's your only work experience when hitting industry. Doing anything that could get you a black mark from the company you interned with is...uh...ballsy, to say the least.

      I mean, it seems to have not backfired on you, but...

    3. Re:And fond memories they are! by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sounds like a great memory, but I recommend that in future posts you not say,
      "I had perused the all-time favorites: how to build a bomb, a gun, how to break into cars, and so on."
      and things like that. By doing so, you may blur the line between creative hacking and "terrorism" and "crime".

      These days, when our civil liberties are threatened more than they ever have been, we need to be careful about what we say and what we associate with. Your "all time favorites" are certainly not my all time favorites.

      Regardless, phrack was a great e-rag and I'm glad to see it back in action.

      --
      Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
    4. Re:And fond memories they are! by domenic+v1.0 · · Score: 0

      The smoke bomb article you speak of is what I used as a science project back when I was in high school...Of course I had to read up on the ingredients used and explain the reaction between the potassium nitrate,alcohol, sugar, etc...but needless to say phrack was and is still a good read for me, now and 8 years ago.

    5. Re:And fond memories they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Was talking to a systems guy where I was working (where they still use VMS), and inquired why we hadn't migrated to something else

      When you asked that, did you also volunteer in the same breath to re-write all their custom applications that ran on VMS in something else? I hate losers like you. We don't run an OS because of the OS, we run the OS because of the *applications* on the OS.

    6. Re:And fond memories they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just a thought, ever notice how the same people who think all guns are bad are the ones who think that every man, woman, and child has instructions to build a bomb?

    7. Re:And fond memories they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er.. correction
      every man, woman, and child, should have instructions

    8. Re:And fond memories they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have no fear, VMS for the ia64 platform is coming!

      So the guy cites 'social hacks' as a weakness in VMS. Doesn't that seem a little lame? Isn't that ignoring the point? VMS *IS* a secure OS, and you can't really blame people problems on the computer.

    9. Re:And fond memories they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of... a system can make it harder for social hacks to work (eg. when logging into NT everyone knows to press CTRL ALT DEL, which would kill any program)

    10. Re:And fond memories they are! by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > The ability to learn something from someone who's clearly your tech
      > inferior, without any ego getting in the way...

      Any decent techie knows he has limits -- you can't have both complete
      breadth of knowledge _and_ equal depth in all areas. I've had VMS
      techies ask me questions about DOS. I make no pretenses about my
      knowledge of VMS -- I can barely navigate the directory tree. (Okay,
      so that's fifty times more than the tech support people at APCC who
      support PowerChute for OpenVMS, but that's another story.) However,
      DOS is something I do know. Mac people ask me questions about
      Windows and Linux, I ask Mac people about Mac stuff. Everybody
      knows about different stuff; all true geeks understand this. The
      same people who can't believe I don't know who some actress is will
      marvel at my knowledge about computers or math, because it happens to
      be something they didn't know. I have picked up a concise way to say
      this: "They're all easy if you know the answers". What I mean by
      this is that different pieces of knowledge are not _inherently_
      easier or more difficult than one another; what makes them easy or
      difficult is that you do or don't happen to know them.

      So, yeah, if somebody who knows less about computers than I do can
      explain to me something I didn't know, I should listen, provided
      they're making something that resembles sense.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  29. Gray hat? by arvindn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Phrack is perhaps a good example of the line between black hat and white hat "hackers" being blurry. The articles are informative and well-written, and by intelligent people, not your typical 14 yr old cracker on ecstasy who launches DDOS attacks from haX0r'd machines. I've done a compilers course, but still found a lot to learn about compilers from a phrack article on buffer overflows. Also check out the essays at SANS .

    1. Re:Gray hat? by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Informative
      I think the one thing that people need to get out of their heads is the common misconception of a "black hat hacker or cracker". The terminology is quite specific as:

      - "sript kiddie" refers to someone with little or no maturity that uses an automated exploit scan program that makes hacks a matter of happenstance if anything else.

      - "cracker" is one step higher from a script kiddie as this is a person who actually has a target in mind, but is not randomly screening. Usually a cracker will gain access by acquring a password (hence cracker). There are many ways to do this, but the more calculated attacks are usually by a cracker that is persistent.

      - "black hat hackers" these are the guys you rarely hear about as they're main goal in life is to be where they shouldn't be and make sure that they're the only ones that know what they are doing. This is the sexiest of illegal hackers as these are the types that actually get into the "unbreakable" systems and really do know their shit. These people work for the government usually (and not just American) and some are even employed without wanting to be (part of a plea bargain). These are the type of people that you want to not be interested in your system as with a certain amount of time they will get into your system.

      I'm not implying you don't know this, I was meerly trying to elaborate further on your post. And not everything these "Evil Hackers" do is all that bad. Many "script kiddie" tools are useful in testing your own systems for holes or exploits, if you have the same toys as they do, they can't beat you.

      Grey hats are where most all computer type people belong, where we all usually do good, but we do know some tricks of the trade. Like an automechanic who knows how to hotwire a car or jimmy a lock open, does that make him a criminal? Same goes for anyone who is a professional locksmith (make the best theives?), doctors (make the best killers?), and bomb squad officiers (make the best bomb builders?). The joy of being a grey hat is knowing enough to protect yourself because you've been there before.

      Case-In-Point ... the most secure server is one that is unplugged and buried in the middle of the earth, and that's still questionable.

      --
      Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
    2. Re:Gray hat? by Arimus · · Score: 0
      "Case-In-Point ... the most secure server is one that is unplugged and buried in the middle of the earth, and that's still questionable."


      I'd guess that in the middle of the earth it would be pretty secure as it would have melted :) not to mention the potential for a volcano where you drilled through the crust releasing pressure...
      --
      --- Users are like bacteria -> Each one causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally gives up and dies.
    3. Re:Gray hat? by LucidityZero · · Score: 1

      I have been calling myself a "grey hat" for a while now.

      Point: my email address is greyhathacker@ that really popular hotmail thing.

      --
      Sig.i>
    4. Re:Gray hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do note however, that there seem to be mistakes in technical details in some articles...

    5. Re:Gray hat? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "doctors (make the best killers?)"

      Well, I believe Britain's biggest mass murderer was a doctor killing his patients, and so successful they weren't even certain how many he'd murdered to the nearest hundred... luckily the hundred or two they were sure of was enough to get him convicted.

    6. Re:Gray hat? by batemanm · · Score: 1

      That would be Dr. Harold Shipman, the BBC reports that he killed 215 of his patients, although he was jailed for life for 15 murders, I assume they didn't know about the others. Here is a list of articles about him from the BBC.

    7. Re:Gray hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing sexy about being a black hat hacker.

    8. Re:Gray hat? by surfacearea · · Score: 1
      I disagree. Basically, in the last part you just described a white hat. I mean, what is it that you think a white hat is? Every "hacker" (here used in the computer security sense of the word, which includes white/gray/black) has to know the holes and should presumably have the exploits down pat. The term doesn't refer to what skills you posess, it refers to what you do with them.

      A white hat uses this knowledge to protect their networks and systems, nothing more, nothing less. They will probably pass this information on to other white hats without a moment's hesitation.
      A gray hat uses this knoweldge to protect their networks, but doesn't mind looking the other way when said knowledge is passed on and used destructively. But the gray hat won't do anything actively invasive to other networks, but won't have a problem giving out this information indiscriminately.
      A black hat will simply use their knowledge to exploit and/or enter systems (though presumably for non-destructive purposes).

      By your example, the locksmith, doctor, and bomb squad officers would all probably be white hats. It is hard to think of an analog to the gray hat outside computing though, because it is really more a computer security related phenomena. Perhaps it is most comparable to a neutral nation-state.

      Now I see why so many people get frustrated by these ridiculous terms.

  30. er... by ronaldcromwell · · Score: 1, Insightful

    i just glanced over the mailbag section, and while some of the reader letters are indeed pretty lame, do they really have to be that elitest in their replies? ugh... yeah yeah, flamebait, i know- but it had to be said.

  31. haiku by bobtheprophet · · Score: 1

    This would be stupid
    But hacking traffic lights is
    mentioned. Traffic lights!

    --
    Don't give me none of this "nature theme" business.
    1. Re:haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's not really a haiku

    2. Re:haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's true, but it's not that easy to write a real haiku about hacking traffic lights

  32. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Old+Wolf · · Score: 0

    Traffic lights hack you

  33. OpenBSD exploit... by dietlein · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    After reading through the OpenBSD exploit, I came to the end:
    Greets to: optyx, dan, dave aitel, gera, bind, jeru, #convers
    uberhax0r, olympos and gsu.linux ppl

    Most thanks of all to goes to Asli for support, help and her never-ending
    affection. Seni Seviyorum, mosirrr!!

    Look at the names. Look at those words. They are the Al Queda!
    1. Re:OpenBSD exploit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is turkish...

  34. yikes by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2

    You know what, the first time some idiot messed with traffic lights and gets a family killed because of it, you'll see the first capital murder case from hacking in the U.S. The only possible 'safe' hacking you could do of traffic lights would be to turn them all red. You better hope you don't accidentally turn them all green, though, or even yellow.

    Stick to defacing web sites, kids, especially if you live in Texas. Yeesh.

    1. Re:yikes by thogard · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is very little you can do with trafic lights. Most of them use physical relay lock outs to keep two of the signals going green in different directions at the same time. About all that could be done that could cause a problem is dropping the yellow time to close to zero but there should be a minium time for that as well. Other than that, you've got exactly the same risk as when the power goes out. Too bad in that case most people think they have the right of way on the main road and no company has been smart enough to put in some battery backed flashing LED's to hint to people that its tuned into a 4 way stop. Of course 99% of all intersections with traffic lights could be replaced with round-abouts and increase saftey but that won't ever happen.

    2. Re:yikes by bergeron76 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I remember seeing a show on the discovery channel (or maybe it was TLC) about some kids that pulled a stop sign out of the ground (or bent it down or something) and got sentenced to several years in jail because someone got killed at that intersection as a result of their "antics".

      I don't have a link to the case, but if I'm not mistaken those kids are still "out of society".

      --
      Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
    3. Re:yikes by DocStoner · · Score: 1
      Of course 99% of all intersections with traffic lights could be replaced with round-abouts and increase saftey but that won't ever happen


      You must live in Europe. They put a roundabout in a couple of years ago at a major intersection here in Florida. It soon became the absolute worse place for traffic accidents. No one could figure out how to use it.

      The drivers test here in Florida is similiar to a MCSE exam, you can score perfect on the test, but you still not know what the hell you are doing.
    4. Re:yikes by jci · · Score: 1
      This appears to be an appeal to something similar to what you speak of, though its an appeal about an insurance company.
      I remember seeing what you speak of as well.

      From the above link (an appeal):
      ...Where a driver of an insured car drove to an intersection and removed and carried away the stop sign in the insured car, no coverage exists for the death of a motorist at the intersection because the motorist's death was not causally connected to the use of the insured car.
      I think I remember something similar to screwing around with the traffic lights on the x-files, where someone set it green with mind powers or something..
    5. Re:yikes by jci · · Score: 1

      Bah, this is the case I believe the show was about. Changed my search to "accident after removal of stop sign"

    6. Re:yikes by mccrew · · Score: 2

      For a moment there I thought you said that roundabouts increase safety. Because, of course, that would not make any sense whatsoever.

      --
      Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
    7. Re:yikes by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2

      MOST of them? What kind of percentage are we talking about here? It only takes one intersection with lights that aren't like that to cause a fatality.

    8. Re:yikes by thogard · · Score: 2

      Thouse were traffic circles, not round abouts. The difference is that the person in the roudnabout has the right of way and the traffic circles the people in the circule yeld to thouse entering. Most of the ones in DC are traffic circles. A well designed roundabout will allow traffic to enter in only one way. The old traffic circles (from the days of horses) enter at 90 degrees and a complete disater. A well designed round about will simply be a Y interesction with a yeld sign. If the drivers can't figure that out, they should not be on the road.

      A typical roundabout can allow 4 times more cars though per hour and scale to points where you need overpasses.

      Don't judge a concept based on a few bad implementations. In the town I live in, there are roundabouts on the west side and none on the east. It turns out that the west side doesn't have the traffic problems but the counts show much higher levels. The pollution is lower, the accident rates are lower and the traffic jams form when the west side traffic hits the east side where all the stop lights are.

      I can't find any reference to the place you mentioned but there are many web references about roundabouts in Florida that have reduced accident rates according to google.

    9. Re:yikes by thogard · · Score: 1

      The flashing yellow kind are the only type I know about that don't have a safty interlock. There are some very complex systems that have several interlocks and can fail in strange ways but they are designed to fial in a way that all sides get red. Most older lights will fail in such a way as one side gets a green and all the others gets a red. For a typical intersection of a main road with a minor side street, that works well when there is a problem.

    10. Re:yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there are probably safety interlocks that make it impossible to have a 4-way intersection with all-green lights at once, so no.

      What I have often fantasized about doing is reprogramming the stoplight controllers at two intersections on my way to work to give myself a good 5-minute window through a congested part of town with green lights going my way in the morning.

      The city in question is not big, new or tech enough to have them centrally controlled (like Bellevue, WA), but they could be slightly interconnected up and down the road, and factoring in the train crossing would be very important, too... I'd seriously have to fake being a DOT worker, with a fake lime-green DOT pickup truck, etc., to pull it off w/o raising the suspicion of the cops.

    11. Re:yikes by d0s · · Score: 1

      You must live in Europe. They put a roundabout in a couple of years ago at a major intersection here in Florida.

      Lemme guess, Parkland? NOBODY uses the silly thing correctly. Considering the average Parkland I.Q. is something like 80, that's not very surprising.

  35. actually by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I recall a story in an old 2600 about someone who managed to get caught hacking not traffic lights but those signs on freeways with giant LEDs telling people there is a traffic jam or whatever. Seems this guy changed the text to read "FUCK YOU ALL." Pretty funny, and relatively harmless, imho. But yeah it's not the same as messing with a traffic light, which could be really dangerous.

  36. Finally by SpIKeAKAThEONe · · Score: 0

    Something geeky :D.

  37. oh lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we have the hax0rs on one side, and barney rubble on the other side. I had no idea that fred was s uch a l33t ha40xr.!!!!

  38. Phrack rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love phrack. What an informative digest. It's like Readers Digest for the... well .... poser hacker d00ds.

    Don't get me wrong, bugtraq and phrack are about the coolest thing since ... fire.

    Gotta love that stuff. Soon you, too, will be using a halmark card to make long distance calls to your own favorite overseas terrorist organization.

    EOL

  39. Phrack? by dupper · · Score: 1
    What the phruck?

    Don't worry, I'll do it myself.
    /me pimpslaps himself

  40. life imprisonment by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2

    if your traffic hack results in someones death, you can be faced with a life sentence under modern U.S. law.

    If you don't live in America, we'll just threaten your government until they let us extradite. I firmly believe that hacking is art, but some things should just be left alone. That said, I throughly read and enjoyed it; keep em coming phrack!

    --
    You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
    1. Re:life imprisonment by lordsutch · · Score: 2
      If your traffic hack results in someones death, you can be faced with a life sentence under modern U.S. law.
      Most likely, if the intent wasn't malicious, you'd probably be charged with manslaughter and serve 5-10 years on a first offense.
      --
      My Blog. Sela Ward can sell me long distanc
    2. Re:life imprisonment by balloonhead · · Score: 2
      Or even better, the US "government" will use their new presidentially approved authority to allow the military to assassinate you (I shit you not!) by claiming you are a terrorist. Without trial.

      Worryingly enough, they do now have that authority - it was in the news a few weeks ago that there are about 20 Al-Q suspects (note - suspects, not ever been subject to trial) who the military have been authorised to kill if it would be too difficult/dangerous to capture. And more can be added to this list without presidential say-so. It truly is the beginning of the police state, and the end of civilisation if this is allowed to happen.

      --
      This idea was invented by Shampoo.
  41. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soviet Sad Man is sad traffic lights hack you.

  42. Re:"..recent vulnerabilities in the OpenBSD kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    know the difference between "local" and "remote" genius?

    obviously not....

  43. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, cool: a response hand-crafted out of pure Nerdonium. To anyone with even the vaguest grip of what's going on, PHRACK is in pure text, with no formatting or graphics. Slashdot, well, it has graphics. Simple as that.

    I can almost hear the spittle come out of your mouth and onto your screen as you twirl your pale little finger going "but TECHNICALLY the HTML source code is constructed of ASCII so it's technically ASCII itself, can't you see..."

    No. A house with modern materials that has a wood floor is not a house made of wood. A house made of wood is a house made of wood.

    Nimrod^2.

  44. guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    phreak/hack?

  45. OpenBSD vulnerability has been fixed in August by OttoM · · Score: 5, Informative
    Patches for OpenBSD 3.0 and 3.1 were submitted August 11, 2002. OpenBSD 3.2 was released with the patched code. See errata page.

    While interesting, the article describes a vulnerability that already has been fixed.

    1. Re:OpenBSD vulnerability has been fixed in August by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? it is mentioned that they are case study only

    2. Re:OpenBSD vulnerability has been fixed in August by MrScience · · Score: 4, Informative

      What makes the article interesting is that the person describes in detail how to exploit a discovered buffer-overrun vulnerability. The OpenBSD flaw was just an example.

      --

      You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco

  46. Re:old paul gave rap a cold call by meta.chris · · Score: 1

    Dear Sir,

    That would be MC Paul Barman.
    Kickin' it with a shocko-taco.

    (first heard the song 2 days ago)

    Please fill my piñata with chocolate chip granola bars and bottles of Yuengling Lager.

    Cheers

  47. Oh thanks. And... by Pedrito · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    A new issue of the Phrack Magazine, #60 has been released today

    And the latest Computer Shopper is on the newstands. Just wanted to make sure no slashdotter let that one get by them.

    1. Re:Oh thanks. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up!!

    2. Re:Oh thanks. And... by Lxy · · Score: 2

      Ewww... I hate the Computer Shopper.

      I don't know if Pricewatch killed it or what, but I remember when the CS used to be thicker than most bibles and consumed hours of my time looking for parts.

      Now it's a cruddy pamphlet that sucks as bad as all other Windows-mostly computer magazines.

      --

      There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
      :wq
  48. Yeah, like when someone bitches about. . . by kfg · · Score: 2

    Slashdot being predictable and boring. Of course somewhere someone else is bitching about how it's changed completely. Go figure.

    Have you been to a McDonald's recently? Looks pretty much the same as it did last year, don't it? And the one on one side of town looks pretty much like the one on the other?

    Get used to it. The older you get the more predictable everything will become. Buy tomorrow's NYT. Save it. Read it once a week for the rest of your life. You'll pretty much be right up to date with the news just following that stratagy. I'm not kidding.

    If you find your hometown is starting to get boring, nothing ever changes, the people are all the same, etc., I have a solution for you.

    Go someplace else! Get on a plane to Paris or take a trek to Llhasa or something. Do something *different.*

    Take a look in the mirror. Is it Slashdot that's so fucking predeictable, or is it your choice of places to go?

    KFG

    1. Re:Yeah, like when someone bitches about. . . by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > Buy tomorrow's NYT. Save it. Read it once a week for the rest of
      > your life. You'll pretty much be right up to date with the news
      > just following that stratagy. I'm not kidding.

      This was discovered a long time ago. "There is nothing new under
      the sun", Solomon wrote.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  49. It's the old dichotomy between freedom and. . . by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    license. When some people say "free" what they mean is without responsibility or repercussion. I believe in the gedanken that your right to swing your arms about ends at the tip of my nose.

    Some people find this "restriction" intollerable. What's interesting is that these people often go on and on about their "rights" if you do anything to them.

    Well, a good many of them grow out of that eventually, and the ones that don't we just call assholes.

    Power always needs to be tempered with restraint, and the more power the more restraint.

    As Ghandi once pointed out nonviolence is not weakness, indeed, the weak cannot be nonviolent. Only the strong, and only in proportion to their strength.

    One can only be free in proportion to one's sense of responsibility.

    Otherwise you're just some punk kid that a bunch of people with freedom are going to beat the crap out of in a back alley some day in the hopes that it'll jar something loose and you start to "get it."

    KFG

  50. A house made out of modern materials like. . . by kfg · · Score: 1

    plywood, chipboard, MDF, treenails, cellulose glue, paper, etc, is not a house not made out of wood.

    KFG

  51. Hacker's Manifesto by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 1

    The original version of the famous 'Hacker's Manifesto' was published on some early issue of Phrack. What hacker's manifesto? The one that The Mentor wrote and the same that was used in 'Hackers' -movie.
    ----

  52. wow! by Phybersyk0 · · Score: 1

    where's my 1200 baud Avatex so I can dial up Demon Roach Underground [cDc] in Amarillo.

    pwd=kill.

  53. Reiterated by Gothe when he noted that. . . by kfg · · Score: 1

    the world is ever the same, and then recursively noted that everything has been thought of, the trick is to think of it again.

    KFG

  54. read Kevin Mitnick's story by r5t8i6y3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    this, IMHO, is the most valuable information in Phrack 60:

    Kevin Mitnick wrote a book, "The Art of Deception". The first chapter
    has been deleted by the publisher at the last minute. It's available
    on the internet:
    http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56187,00. html
    http://littlegreenguy.fateback.com/chapter1/Chapte r%201%20-%20Banned%20Edition.doc

    [i linked this Phrack quote because Slash adds a space character to strings that wordwrap - can anyone tell me how to prevent this from happening?]

    1. Re:read Kevin Mitnick's story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good read... and I can see why a paranoid publisher would have pulled it... (too bad he didn't have Loompanics or Eden Press publish it).

      My thoughts after finishing all 9 pages of it: But for the grace of G-d, there go I...

  55. OpenBSD 3.1 014 Security Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Patch released August 11, 2002.
    Thank you for playing.
    It lives!!!!!!

  56. #phrack 60 mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here is a mirror of #phrack magazine in case the main site gets slashdotted: http://phrack.efnet.ru/phrack60/

  57. NOT A TROLL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's this 'os' thing that you guys keep talking about?
    TIA.

  58. y is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They release emagazines like this all the time? Why is this news?

  59. Wrong. by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    - "sript kiddie" refers to someone with little or no maturity that uses an automated exploit scan program that makes hacks a matter of happenstance if anything else.

    Wrong. 'Script Kiddie' refers to someone exceptionally more skillfull at programming, hacking, cracking and everything else that goes beyond VB DB Frontends than the average slashdotter, but also happens to be younger and is thus referred to as 'Script Kiddie' (disaproving frown) to cloak the fact that they are actually intelligent enough to have their computer do stuff they want it to do and that said average slashdotter doesn't know zilch about. While at the same time they're out in the club closing in on some cute girls.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Oh man, somebody has issues.

      No. A script kiddie is one who downloads exploits and runs them without any understanding of how he's doing what he's doing. Cookbook programming of an infinitely lower level. And usually they ARE kids, mentally and socially if not physically.

    2. Re:Wrong. by SirCrashALot · · Score: 1

      I had the impression, from a number of people, that a script kiddie had nothing to do with age, but rather matuarity. Someone, who as the parent described, uses scripts and bots found on the internet to run their attacks. I don't think that script kiddies write their own scripts, hence script kiddies, not hackers/crackers/ etc.

  60. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's old enough to talk? You fucking lamer.

  61. Phrack on Cell Phones in 1986 by geddes · · Score: 1
    Intrigued by this "phrack" I started reading through the archives and found this article from 1986 that was an overview of cellular telephone technology. This was an interesting paragraph:
    Cellular Telephones come in two basic versions, as car phones and portable phones, with a briefcase hybrid. Car phones are by far the most common, because they are much cheaper. But most believe that, ultimately, portables will be the most popular. Washington Post Company president Richard Simmons, whose company is a partner in several cellular systems, even predicts that by the early 1990's "There will be phones roughly the size of a calculators that you carry around in your pocket. They will cost no more than five hundred dollars. They will emancipate people from the necessity of locating a phone to make calls. The bad news is, you will never be able to get away from the phone, and we'll call it progress."

    It turns out these guys were predicting the future...

    1. Re:Phrack on Cell Phones in 1986 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read the article - intesting stuff.

      When I finished and clicked on my browser to return to SlashDot, my Norton 2003 Firewall woke up to warn me that my XP wanted to send a TCP message to someone...

      Carefull where you tread...

    2. Re:Phrack on Cell Phones in 1986 by Chessucat · · Score: 0

      I watched an episode of 'The Andy Griffeth Show', and there was scene with Andy and Goober stopping to help a stranded travelin' saleman who had a car phone. Golly gee, wally! Suzzam!;-)

      ~chessucat

      --
      "I'm a dirty white tomcat, enter my world..."
  62. What a moron you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be one of the 13 year old script kiddies everyone laughs at. Hey, here's a tip for ya. I heard there are some l33t IRC scripts at www.Imateenageloser.com. Go ahead try them out. And remember, if you parents find out you've dual booted the family PC with Lycoris just tell them its a video game. Oh btw one last thing, if you keep masterbating to pictures of Britney Spears, your going to gum up the keyboard.(Mom won't like that!)

    1. Re:What a moron you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You should go Bowling. Get some sunlight.

      Didn't we all start at 13, a lot of us with Phrack, most of us not really knowing HOW stuff worked, just how to follow the directions?

      Most here probably never moved in on any cute chicks at the club. That seems to be pure fabrication.

  63. Like the old joke goes, son by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The repairman takes one look at a malfunctioning machine, flips open the control panel, presses a button and immediately the machine quiets down and goes back to functioning normally.

    "That'll be $250," he says.

    "$250 for that!" the owner shouts. "How can you justify that?"

    "Well, I'll break it down for you. Fifty centy for pushing the button; $249.50 for knowing which button to push."

    You weren't born knowing how a beige box works, were you?

  64. you're a liberal aren't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    intollerable isn't it?

  65. Ahhhh. . . Phrack! by stotterj · · Score: 1
    My favorite memory from Phrack was an article outlining ways to trick pholks into giving you all the information you needed to call the phone company and get their service all messed up. The authors claimed they called people with very professional-sounding voices, and answered as MCI customer service. They had friends in the room talking to "customers" and clicking on loud IBM keyboards for background noise. The author acted like they had been called by the victim, confusing the victim who had themselves answered the phone, and said there must be something wrong with the service and that they could fix it right up in a jiff. Then they asked for all the pertinent information about the victim and their phone account.

    At 14, I thought it was slicker than apeshit! Low-tech and simple.

    Ahhhhh... Phrack!

    I also had a friend that did lots of public service hours for unwisely applying things he learned about in Phrack. I did not think that was slick on his part.

  66. using foreign words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe in the gedanken that your right to swing your arms about ends at the tip of my nose.

    Don't use foreign language words, if you don't know what they mean. This use of 'Gedanke(n)' is non-sensical. If you want to use a German word which makes sense in this context say 'Idee' instead.

    But, d'oh, that's much too close to the English word 'idea', you were trying to replace, so why not just use it in the first place?

  67. I do it like... by arcadum · · Score: 1

    wget -r -l1 -p -A*gz phrack-blah/blah.html

  68. I did not mean. . . by kfg · · Score: 1

    idea. Therefore its use would have been incorrect.

    KFG

  69. Re:"..recent vulnerabilities .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This issue was resolved on Aug 11, 2002.

  70. Re:er... no... by cntlzed · · Score: 1

    actually, i used to enjoy going through loopback. but, it somehow didn't have the same zing to it in P-60. maybe, fewer people want to get insulted and have it archived forever! or maybe, phrack staff has grown more tolerant... or maybe, more mails are getting piped to /dev/null!!

  71. Salem Witch Trials by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 1
    Is it just me, or does anyone else see a similarity between Kevin's treatment and the treatment of so-called witches way back when?

    All these people were so freaked out by what they thought he could do with a payphone, they denied him his every right.