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GeoURL: We Know Where You Live, Work and Blog!
hrbrmstr writes "GeoURL is a location-to-URL reverse directory. This will allow you to find URLs by their proximity to a given location. Find your neighbor's blog, perhaps, or the web page of the restaurants near you. Many potential 'location-based services' can spring from this if the database gets big enough. The site has an easy process for maintaining your entries. And can even generate RSS feeds for a given geographical area."
That's right folks, now all you bored /.'ers can finally find an attractive local girl to stalk! Just enter your location into the convenient form, hit 'Submit', and stalk away!
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Doesn't anyone else long for the privacy and anonynimity that the 'net used to provide?
Posting anonymously for effect, of course....
If they are successful (will need a very large database), then I bet Google would be very interested.
--free sex
Very popular slashdot journal for adul
Just so half of this planet's socially challenged would appear on my doorstep and want a beer?
Doesn't the whois/DNS database already do this?
For some reason this strikes me as a service to NOT sign up for... why would I want semi-anonymouse visitors to my blog to know where I live?
Be good for signing up a business address, though..
skkkoooonnnggggkkk ptui
I'm not about to give them ANY information unless I can download a full dump of their database whenever I want.
Anyone remember how badly people got burned by CDDB? Its the same buisness plan;
Phase 1) Invent neat idea with a few good uses so that people will populate your content
Phase 2) ???
Phase 3) Profit!
where ??? becomes 'Fuck over users, start charging for access, bite hand that feeds.'.
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
Meh.
error: Error during compilation of /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/In terp.pm line 506. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler line 15. Stack: [/home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler:15] [/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/I nterp.pm:509] [/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/I nterp.pm:283] [/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/I nterp.pm:445] [/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/C omponent.pm:325] [/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/R equest.pm:291] ... ...
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/In terp.pm:612 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/In terp.pm:289 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/In terp.pm:445 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/Co mponent.pm:325 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/HTML/Mason/Re quest.pm:291
Died at
context:
11:
12: use Math::Trig;
13: use DBI;
14: use XML::RSS;
15: use POSIX;
16: use URI;
17: use lib '/home/joshua/work/geocoder/Geocoder/';
18: use Geocoder;
19: my $dbh;
code stack:
Someone locate Ralsky & Co !
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
this site might not always make much sense for individuals. the situation is similar to that of american telephone area codes; in our highly traveled world they are starting to lose their value as a location indicator, what with mobile phones, choice of area codes for faxes etc, and (in theory) relocatable phone numbers. you can choose a location, but it might only be true sometimes.
better to link it to your frequent flyer number, perhaps?
Is it the same as this http://www.networldmap.com/TryIt.htm of is it different ?
Chris ,
Php Programmers.
If you're looking for the Longitude and Latitude information, you can get it fairly easy at Census site
Too bad the original link in the article cannot witstand the hits. But the concept of it does sound like a good idea.
I personally would enjoy finding out the location of few bloggers and kicking them in the mouth repeatedly so they stop whining and typing in caps on their pathetic sites.
This looks similar to what was done in the google programming contest!
I wonder when google plans to implement this?
It's a really neat idea! And google's method sounds like it should work better than GeoURL's
(which requires people to submit their location info, rather than just swipe it off the web site.)
something the RIAA could use to locate "pirate sites" and then send some guys to rough up the place... They would of course call it "Market Demographics Analysis."
I drink, therefore, I am.
-- W. C. Fields
...let's try to diagnose exactly what kind of load problem is going on whenever a site is slashdotted. Network, physical, or software?
In the case of this site it looks like it's either heavily overloaded and is timing out opening an include file, has run out of file handles, or the mysql initialisation is failing maybe because there are too many connections opened/pending/generally gone insane to a database probably running on the same server.
Anyone else care to speculate, or know the real reason?
"I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
Many potential 'location-based services' can spring from this if the database gets big enough.
...assuming they backed it up before the server melted.
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy"
I think we know where GeoURL is located.
In the toilet.
Wow, now we can track down the spammers that sign with their real name and kill them! Preferably gutting their entrails with a spoon!
Looks like no one will be stalking random local girls anytime until this story drops off the front page...
"I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
Here are some Debian geolocation links for you:
System error
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/site_perl/5.00503/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 . /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 /usr/local/ /usr/local/lib/perl) at /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler line 8
... ...
/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/Carp.pm:279 /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/AutoLoader.pm:88 /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler:8
/. swarm...
error: Can't locate auto/Geocoder/io_open.al in @INC (@INC contains:
context:
275: # whether they should generate a full stack trace (confess() and cluck())
276: # or simply report the caller's package (croak() and carp()), respectively.
277: # confess() and croak() die, carp() and cluck() warn.
278:
279: sub croak { die shortmess @_ }
280: sub confess { die longmess @_ }
281: sub carp { warn shortmess @_ }
282: sub cluck { warn longmess @_ }
283:
code stack:
Interesting response to a
- Thomas, Denmark
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@beef.burri.to and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
Hmm.. "Anything you might have done that may have caused the error." Does this mean that their mailserver will be slashdotted too?
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy"
Seems like the site finally got /.'d Oh well, I'll try again later.
I'd know those error messages anywhere! www.masonhq.com
Not that anyone uses the DNS LEO entries (RFC 1876).
This allows DNS names (and thus via rDNS, IPs) to store longitude, latitude, even elevation. (I did have a nice diagram here, but the ever so shit lameness filter said I had too much whitespace). The entries themselves look like this
loiosh.kei.com. LOC 42 21 43.528 N 71 05 06.284 W 12m
kei.com. LOC 42 21 43.528 N 71 05 06.284 W 12m 30m
vrx.net. LOC 43 40 N 79 25 W 30m
But, of course, DNS on a host doesn't allow for all that stalking you can do should amihotornot start supporting this on a per URL basis ....
what rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs,
rolls over your neighbor's blog?
Now that's what I call a sticky situation!
Really. It's co-loed in Ohio. I'm not in Ohio. And my companies website? It's 300 miles away. How functional can this be, really?
- Dan I.
It's more like finding out people or places near each other. Your homepage can be hosted in some other country, but maybe you would like to keep your personal location. And the DNS is only for each server, with this system, each page can have it's location.
J.
I remember reading something in NewScientist last year which is simalar to this
I think it was HP, or some company like that. Were looking into spacial messaging. Ie your phone can look up messages/pages based uppon your location.
At the time I thought it was really interesting and had a lot of applications. In theory you could get user reviews of the place you are going to eat, just before you go it. Find out if the shop you are in has better online prices than they do in store. Loads of stuff.
This is another thing on my 'meant to look into but have forgotten all of the important details' list.
Why do you care? Don't go to those sites. It's simple. Do you sit and watch some stupid Sitcom on TV, even though you decided it sucked after 2 episodes, and whinge about it?
The site is slashdotted, so I haven't been able to have a look at it. However, if I were building a geo-search engine, I'd use the WHOIS data for the bulk of the indexing work, and for providing a default location for visitors. The tweaking around the edges (changing the location of the website or page), is just icing on the cake.
No one really knows the accuracy of IP->Country lookup. There's an onlgoing thread on the london perl mongers list about this topic. Some geolocation companies state 98% accuracy, which is pure bullshit. It's more likely to be around 70%, with most of the error occuring in overestimation of US addresses.
By the way, if you want a fast IP locator, here's one that's just as accurate as any of the commercial products. I'm surprised more people don't use this sort of stuff for providing intelligent defaults for their users when filling in HTML forms.
This is a great concept! I absolutely love it!
Now I can associate addresses to the script kiddies trying to break into my servers, hunt them down, and beat the ever loving crap out of them with baseball bats and chains.
Finally, something useful on the internet!
Surely all that is needed is for people to put their location in an HTML meta-tag, then Google and the like will be able to search.
For example I could embed the information
city:London
zip:SW9
Then by searching for that string (I refuse to use the phrase Googling) in your fave search engine, you could find people in your area.
Also someone could write a plug-in for browsers to pick up that info and display it in some-way.
Hell if its that important, maybe a new formal meta-tag could be incorporated into the next version of the HTML standard.
Just a few thought
They can track where you live based on your IP address, but can they survive the slashdot effect? I think not. =)
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
You know, if Google decided to search for a specific META tag that gives the geographic location of a company, then I'm betting a lot of designers/companies would add it immediately (and update old sites). If they announced this new tag I'd certainly update some sites!
At the moment, it would be a bit hit and miss to try to search for an address in a page to generate the database programmatically.
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
Some guy has already proposed some standard meta-tags for this at geotags.com
Then, as you say, anybody can create a geographic search engine.
This is the greatest result of a slashdotting I've ever seen:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/site_perl/5.00503/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 . /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 /usr/local/ /usr/local/lib/perl) at /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler line 5
... ...
/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/Carp.pm:279 /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/AutoLoader.pm:88 /home/joshua/work/geourl/site/autohandler:5
System error
error: Can't locate auto/DBI/connect.al in @INC (@INC contains:
context:
275: # whether they should generate a full stack trace (confess() and cluck())
276: # or simply report the caller's package (croak() and carp()), respectively.
277: # confess() and croak() die, carp() and cluck() warn.
278:
279: sub croak { die shortmess @_ }
280: sub confess { die longmess @_ }
281: sub carp { warn shortmess @_ }
282: sub cluck { warn longmess @_ }
283:
code stack:
I only mod up parents of "mod parent up" posts...
Well this method sure beats searching whois databases for domains registered by someone geographically near to you.
/(bb|[^b]{2})/
Anybody know how they've implemented their spatial query when grabbing URLs within $x kilometres of $lat,$lon?
I hope it's not "SELECT * FROM urls WHERE latitude > $a AND latitude $c AND longitude $d;", however based on the slashdotting they've had....
Somehow my SQL got screwed after pressing SUBMIT. The where clause was a correct "latitude is less than AND latitude is greater than AND longitude is less than AND logitude is greater than" but it got hosed.
So is the story a big joke or did someone go hack their DNS to point to 127.0.0.1?
Hmm.
root@xxxx xxxx# ping www.geourl.org
PING www.geourl.org (127.0.0.1): 56 octets data
64 octets from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms
64 octets from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms
--- www.geourl.org ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 0.1/0.1/0.1 ms
[newevolutions@ash newevolutions]$ ping geourl.org
PING geourl.org (127.0.0.1) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=88 usec
It seems the new solution for getting slashdotted is to redirect to localhost!
Nevermind that the word itself has been appropriated as if it were brand new, and that the geeks using it are apparently ignorant to the fact that it's not even a new word. It was a collectible toy back in the 90's. Remember those stupid little coloured disks with the characters on them, that kids were trading in the playgrounds?
I don't know why it bugs me so much, but it does. Every time I see the word, I just want to slap the person using it. It seems to objectify everything that the Linux community professes to abhor. Trendy buzzwords with no substance, just for the sake of inclusion in an elite subculture that is completely manufactured simply for the sole purpose of being an elite subculture.
I mean really... how is a blog any different than any other web page? When I load up a page, how can I tell whether it's a blog or just a normal webpage. You can't! It's all in how the page was created. So why don't people say "I've got to get home, I've got some FrontPaging to do."? Because up until now, no one thought it was cool to adopt such a shameless, blatant buzzword in a community such as ours.
The sooner this idiotic "blogging" craze dies, the better, IMHO.
Like woodworking? Build your own picture frames.
It seems geourl.org is located... nowhere. It seems the /. effect can alter the very fact of your physical existence.
Why did I even try clicking on the link this early in the game? I'll have to wait till tomorrow after the /.'ing is over.... Slashdot.org: Yesterdays News, Today! And Todays news Tomorrow...
Apparently, you were super-bleeding-edge in adopting the term blog. Those colored disks were called pogs by everyone who traded them.
anyone else just getting a straight up directory listing instead of any html? me thinks the site has problems since it got listed.
% nslookup www.geourl.org
[...]
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.geourl.org
Address: 127.0.0.1
;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.geourl.org. 28m24s IN A 127.0.0.1
So, whichever whacked out moderator moderated my original post on this as OverRated, buzz off.
Why is their A record pointing to 127.0.0.1?
Hmm, FullXML, is anyone else getting a FullXML template there?
Thief 1: Let's see.. who in this area has a blog..
Thief 2: Several!
Thief 1:How many talk about the goodies in their house?
Thief 2:Hmm new home theatre setup 3 doors down..
Thief 1:Good, do they mention working day jobs?
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You get the idea...
Trolling is a art,
...a short explanation gives you!
me@myworkstation:/home/me> nslookup www.geourl.org /etc/hosts on: myworkstation
Using
looking up FILES
Trying DNS
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.geourl.org
Address: 127.0.0.1 ?
I know that a lot of "matching" sites (as in, for people like slashdot geeks who'll never meet a girl without a PC) use postal code or combined postal/phone-area-code as a geographic identifier. From what I've heard, it's pretty good, you can tell within about 50km or so where a person is at most times
Why would we use longitude/latitude. It's one thing to know that a user is somewhere "nearby" and another to whip out the old GPS and track them down to Lat 34 Long 82. Sounds more like a tool to be abused to me.
Anyone else notice this site is the "GeoURL InterContinental Ballistic Missile Address Server"
- what is the definition of simultanagnosia?! I've been meaning to look it up!
was the first thing that came to mind. How sad is that? Pr0n, sex, etc, it's always what drives the technology.
what a world. funny how nudity is outlawed on TV, yet violence is ok, then kids shoot eachother and we wonder why, yet pr0n drives every technological breakthrough we've had.
fuckin puritans.
because I have been enjoined by this Holy Office to abandon the false opinion which maintains that the Sun is the centre
Why oh why did I register with InstaTrace?
"The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson
Anyone can find my address from my domain name registration, therefore I'm not going to be extra-paranoid about giving the latitude and longitude (which I've already given out for the Perl Monks Monk Map).
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
There could be another approach to this geographic mapping of the web so you can find neighbors and what not.
WHOIS databases also contain the address of the people who register the domain names. One could program a bot to lookup domains and parse out the geographic information from their entry and then put that into a database using the technology that the guy in the Google Programming Contest did in order to assign a lat. and long. number (or ICBM number).
Then you could even allow people to update their entries like you can with the online phone books just in case the spider grabbed the wrong information.
--If only there was a license required to use a computer.
when I go to www.geourl.org or any link in the article, I am redirected to my LOCALHOST !!! the only way I know this is Im running a local server... at first I thought they were pointing to me :)
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And, no, I wasn't, er, trying to pick up on female CS students. No, never that. It's just conincidence I wound up marrying one.
Honest.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
The term blog sounds moronic. I hate it. I wish people would stop using it. Hi, I have a blog, I sound like a fucktard.
From the site itself...
by Joshua Schachter, joshua-geourl@burri.to.
inspired by Dan Egnor's Geocoder.
as in "Daniel Egnor - Project title: Geographic Search" from the link you provided to Google...
Do not read this sig.
A note about converting the coordinates for those of you not in the US (or not using mapquest):
I was able to get coordinates for my girlfriend's blog in Tokyo but had to convert from degrees-minutes-seconds to the decimal format GeoURL wants. I used this converter.
where the hell did my mod points go?
It uses GeoIP and a Perl snippet to determine where the users are at. But ofcourse, it's nothing like that site.
http://www.internetional.org/ if you want to give it a try.
www.6502asm.com - Code 6502 assembly or.. DIE!!
That's Apache::Mason curling up and (croke|die)ing.
Looks like the coder is trying to be a good citizen, and either the database can't handle the load, or Apache is running out of swap. Or, there's a dumb captialization problem in the use statements or somesuch.
Sorry, I've just been doing too much of this lately. "Stop me before I debug again"...
I forget what 8 was for.
This isn't the first site of this kind, MapPlanet is pretty much doing the same thing and has been around for a few years now.
And many more companies would populate multiple pages with multiple locations so that they could be close to everyone. What happens with websites representing multiple locations? Say franchises?
Does 120.000,-35.000 mean the coder lives there or they have a crummy atlas?
Location is cool, but is linking it to a web page the way to go? What about a geographic LDAP?
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
IN SOVIET RUSSIA & etc.
Last night before I went to bed I had done a GeoURL neighbors search to see what was registered around Tokyo. This morning I reloaded that search to see what had been added, to my surprise a lot had been taken away. Here's the cache html from last night: last night, and here's the html that just loaded: this morning.
I had noticed last night that some enterprising hotel marketer had plastered GeoURL with links to their hotel web sites (and hundreds of these, all over the world, not just Japan) and thought that while this probably exposed an oversight in the GeoURL design it was certainly a legitimate use of the system. The oversight being that they should have added categories to separate business from personal, etc, so that if you were looking for blogs in a certain area you wouldn't have to wade through links for hotels, coffeeshops and thrift stores.
But now they're all gone. If they were taken away by the original link poster, well OK, but I find it more likely that someone at GeoURL got rid of them. I find this disturbing; It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It would be easy to add another META tag that Geo-URL could use to do this categorization. That's what they should do rather than start getting picky about who can use the system. Fuck censorship.
I just checked the source for one of the de-listed hootle.com pages and it does indeed still contain the geo.position data that is accepted by GeoURL. I say again: fuck censorship.
GeoURL will be down until Friday, 9am EST.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
-- Joshua Schachter, joshua-geourl@burri.to
Slashdotted ;)
This site has undergone /. effect.
The link seems dead now.
Tracy Johnson
Old fashioned text games hosted below:
http://empire.openmpe.com/
BT
Latitude : 42.5460
Longitude : 83.4284
Also colloquially known as ICBM address, in case anyone feels like pulling this stunt.
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Overall, the philosophy is to attack the availability problem from two
complementary directions: to reduce the number of software errors through
rigorous testing of running systems, and to reduce the effect of the remaining
errors by providing for recovery from them. An interesting footnote to this
design is that now a system failure can usually be considered to be the
result of two program errors: the first, in the program that started the
problem; the second, in the recovery routine that could not protect the
system.
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Operating Systems, Part II: OS/VS-2 Concepts and
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