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RCA PVR Will Use Free Guide+ Program Guide

Posted by timothy on from the sensibility dept.

Mark Leighton Fisher writes "RCA has announced (among other CES goodies) a PVR/DVD player for this year that uses the free GUIDE Plus+ program guide rather than requiring an oncoming program guide contract. Once we bring the price down (yes, I work there) I may break down and get one, as I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs. (This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.)"

273 comments

  1. ha by pummer · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    2. Re:ha by pummer · · Score: -1, Troll

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  2. No guide fee pvr by missing000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    dishnetwork has em.

    1. Re:No guide fee pvr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      that's nice...for people who use dishnetwork anyway. This is a genralized device.

    2. Re:No guide fee pvr by holysin · · Score: 1

      tech. DirecTv also has them.... they dropped the tivo charge on your 2nd tivo (just a mirror fee), and if you subscribe to a specific level of programing or higher, the first one is free too... I currently have 3 tivos, 2 DirecTivos (one moddifed to 150 or so hrs, one stock 30hr one) and one stand alone tivo (100 hrs). (Yeah, yeah, I'm a media geek, but I'm a HAPPY media geek) great news none the less... but tivo deserves some support for being the first one out there that was easily modded.)

    3. Re:No guide fee pvr by bulletloco · · Score: 1

      replaytv has it. still have my replaytv and the guide works with no problems

  3. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool. Way better than TiVo charges

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  5. Fallout. by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could cause TiVo and ReplayTV to lower, or drop, the fees for their guide services. Eventually the manufacturing costs of TiVos and Replays will drop enough that they can sell in the $300.00 price range and make a profit. Maybe.

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  6. hmmm by pummer · · Score: 0, Troll

    doesn't anyone that can afford this already have satellite or digital cable? what's the point?

    1. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does satellite or digital cable automatically mean that it came with a built in pvr and dvd player? youre retarded and not allowed to talk anymore

  7. This is great except... by Nanite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RCA is notorious for making crappy products. (My apologies to the poster.) I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were. A lot of returns on these items, especially the DVD players. Also, an RCA Lyra player I once had was a total piece of crap. I've learned my lesson about buying stuff from them.

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    1. Re:This is great except... by bergeron76 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is RCA notorious for making crappy products or were they notorious for making crappy products? In your post you said, "worked", which I'm assuming is past tense. I'm no RCA proponent, however, I tend to think that one shouldn't overlook the fact that a company can change. It happens all the time as CEO's come and go. Hell, I think that RCA taking this path should be considered progress more than anything.

      Past performance is not an indicator or future results...

      To be fair though, I'm going to let others be the guinea pigs on this one, and I'll make my purchasing decision based on the subsequent fallout or lack thereof.

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    2. Re:This is great except... by Ryu2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      RCA pretty much doesn't make their own stuff anymore... they just repackage generic stuff from OEMs in places like China and Korea. It's nothing more than just a marketing brand.

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    3. Re:This is great except... by jpsst34 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I ever worked at Radio Shack, I surely wouldn't admit it.

      You've got questions, we've got assholes. And quality Compaq PC's with MSN internet service.

      But seriously, I walked into radio shack asking for a product that allowed audio to be sent through the house via the already installed phone lines. Great if you live in an apt. and can't run cable. A coworker has this - he bought it at Radio Shaft. He runs audio out from his flat-imac to the line in on his stereo and it sounds fine. When I described it, they looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. After a pause and something that might have been a thought, the guy said, "We never made anything like that. If we did, I'm sure it would sound awful. Can I interest you in a Motorola cell phone?" Well, the other guy tried to sell me a mobile phone plan, but that doesn't really matter here. The important thing was that I had an onion tied around my belt, which was the style at the time.

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    4. Re:This is great except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Quite off-topic but, with a resume like that, how could you not have work?

      if YOU can't get a job, how am I supposed to get a job when I graduate?

    5. Re:This is great except... by Ryu2 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'm focusing on graphics/games as my main interest... and I've got a lot of academic/theoretical knowledge, but everyone wants commercial industry experience. And apparently the former doesn't count for much these days. =P

      Oh well, I'm currently trying to build some demos to show to companies -- sort of like being my own company. ;)

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    6. Re:This is great except... by mkldev · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Still do make crappy products. I bought an RCA branded DSS dish (DirecTV) about six months ago, and man was it badly designed. Unlike the all-metal... I think Phillips... small dish that I started with, the RCA large dish was basically a giant piece of plastic.

      Unfortunately, they designed the thing to be attached to the metal back with stove bolts, which promptly gouged out the square bottoms of the holes (resulting in the heads just sitting there spinning) long before I could get the nuts tightened down. I would have to have tightened them down another -inch- before they would have been tight....

      I ended up sawing off the provided bolts with a hacksaw and replacing them with normal bolts, lock washers, and non-locking nuts just to get the thing put together.

      And then there is their assertion that you should set the tilt and never be able to adjust it again. That would be fine except that the various manufacturers can't even agree on how to measure angle of tilt. Had I followed RCA's directions, I would not have been able to get a signal from both satellites. I'm so glad I realized their cluelessness before I used any more of their stupid lock nuts....

      It took me less than thirty minutes to install my original Phillips dish, including aligning it. It took me three hours and almost $20 worth of additional parts and tools (hacksaw, etc.) to install my second.

      Let's just say that I'll buy another RCA dish when they rip the hacksaw from my cold, dead fingers, and leave it at that.

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    7. Re:This is great except... by operagost · · Score: 1

      big "+1i Funny" imaginary mod points for the Simpsons reference at the end.

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    8. Re:This is great except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they do make most of their own product. Very little OEM'ing. If they did OEM, they'd likely have higher quality because they were purchasing it and had some purchasing power. Unlike most of us..

      They do, however, make all this stuff in the places of world with the very lowest labor costs. Mexico isn't even cheap enough anymore.

    9. Re:This is great except... by marshac · · Score: 1

      I also worked at Radio Shack.... I think you learned the wrong lesson here: It's not that RCA is crappy, it's that EVERYTHING in Radio Shack is crappy!

    10. Re:This is great except... by ball-lightning · · Score: 1

      RCA is notorious for making crappy products. (My apologies to the poster.) I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were. A lot of returns on these items, especially the DVD players. Also, an RCA Lyra player I once had was a total piece of crap. I've learned my lesson about buying stuff from them.

      I have an RCA Lyra player, and it seems to work fine for me. Long battery life, durable (lets just say I'm clumsy), and it plays MP3 and WMA files, whats not to like? I also happen to have an RCA TV, which also works perfectly. If RCA can get the price of this thing to USD $250~$350 I'd probably buy one.

    11. Re:This is great except... by zombiepopper · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, RCA never made their own stuff. Back when they started as a radio company, they had their sets manufactured by GE (a company they were essentially owned by) and Westinghouse. RCA has always been just a brand.

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    12. Re:This is great except... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2
      Really Crappy Appliance

    13. Re:This is great except... by soupdevil · · Score: 1

      My RCA TV and DVD player have been working fine for years.

    14. Re:This is great except... by rela · · Score: 1
      You've got questions, we've got assholes.

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That sent me into a laughing fit so hard I nearly coughed my lungs up! *wipes tears from eyes*

    15. Re:This is great except... by mrfiddlehead · · Score: 1
      It's still crap. And their design engineers must be on fucking glue. VCR that displays 'REW' on the LEDs while rewinding instead of the current positino on the tape . I've never used a consumer electronics product with such a poorly desinged UI. And the quality is crap too. Crap crap crap.

      And regardless of who made the damn thing, RCA or not, it's still crap if it has RCA on it. I'll believe that the company has changed when I read it on consumerreports. No farking way am I going to be one of their beta testers again.

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    16. Re:This is great except... by Fat+Casper · · Score: 2
      I'm no RCA proponent, however, I tend to think that one shouldn't overlook the fact that a company can change.

      My dad had an Audi once. He hated it- it was a piece of crap. He won't even look twice at one today. Maybe it was a lemon, maybe it was just a bad car. It was also the 70s. Any company will have changed in that time. Nanite specifically mentioned DVD players, though. How long have they been around? Hell- how long have they been sold en masse by Radio Shack? The shoddiness that Nanite saw was essentially today in the consumer goods market.

      Past performance is not an indicator or future results...

      Except that the people who designed, built and maintained the car my father bought 25 years ago aren't the ones designing, building and maintaining them today. The folks bringing us this new RCAVo are pretty much the same crew who sent those DVD players to Radio Shack. If they've had enough turnover to not be the same people, then I really don't want to buy something of theirs.

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    17. Re:This is great except... by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      Some of them have to work, of course. That damn bell curve!

  8. I can hear the complaints now... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Funny

    "But if it is free, who do I sue if they get the wrong time for Will and Grace?"

    1. Re:I can hear the complaints now... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

      who do I sue if they get the wrong time for Will and Grace?

      Well, suing Grace would be pointless, her bank account is probably about $85.42. Actually it's probably more like $85.42 overdrawn.

      And as for suing Will, that's probably not a good idea. He's a lawyer. By the time the case is over you'll be paying him damages.

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  9. question - TV guide patent by wfmcwalter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If memory serves, isn't one of the reasons a full "on screen" TV guide presently costs $s is that the publishers of TV guide hold a US patent on all such EPGs ?

    Hell, if that isn't the most obvious of the many "put paper thing on computer" patents.

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    1. Re:question - TV guide patent by Cramer · · Score: 1

      That's a GEMStar patent... it has something to do with the guide displayed as a grid (hence the TiVo "list" style.)

    2. Re:question - TV guide patent by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      The publisher of TV Guide is Gemstar. The maker of GUIDE Plus+ is Gemstar.

      GIODE Plus+ is free... another case of a bad /. summary.

    3. Re:question - TV guide patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      that had been the case , but was the patent had recently been successfully challenged. I forget who the litigants were , but the outcome is that there are competing EPG's emerging.

      Gemstar doesn't actually do , or develop , much - they just sue other companies.

    4. Re:question - TV guide patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood how a patent was successfully granted for putting TV programming information on a Gantt chart. That being the case, shouldn't Microsoft have challenged the patent for infringing on MS Project?

  10. other products by fantastic · · Score: 1

    "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images."

    who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*)

    1. Re:other products by bigfatlamer · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:other products by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
      "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images."

      And if it was made by the same software idiots that made my Apex DVD player it would read: "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images, of which only the first 200 can be displayed."

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    3. Re:other products by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*)"

      I do. But then again, I'm an IE user and I'm not very good at cleaning out my temp folder. Instead, I just buy a new computer whenever the one I have gets slow.

    4. Re:other products by duren686 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I contend that if the statement was translated by Apex's localisation team, it would read more like "The RCA drive under is vast inside the LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox 100,000 where there is a possibility the first 200 of only being visible engages image is an admirable possibility."

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    5. Re:other products by mrklin · · Score: 1

      Well, 100,000 JPEGs played at 30 frames/second = 56 minutes of video. That sucks! :)

    6. Re:other products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $ find /data/graphics/collections/ -type f | wc -l
      308673

      That's just the working files. Completed collections are moved to CD-ROM.

      http://el-toro.org/lamer/csv/ lists collections totaling more than 8 million pictures.

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    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    3719
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    24288
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    12817
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    27830
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    16164
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    8312
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    31087
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    24918
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    1214
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    17473
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    8051
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    11478
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    25105
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    10158
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    6121
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    23629
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    24267
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    27550
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    19273
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    17599
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    17642
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
    For I am not your broom

    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    7309
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    Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
    No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
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  12. About PVR Guide Charges by Tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tivo charges for their guide because they are providing a service. They sell their PVR for almost no profit whatsoever; unlike RCA, they have no other source of income to keep their PVR afloat until the PVR market takes off.

    I don't mind supporting Tivo with a monthly charge, as long as I get service for my money. The program guide itself is worth the cost, and the convenience of Tivo is well worth the initial $200 outlay.

    All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo.

    Just my $.02. Different people place different values on different things, so YMMV (your money may vary).

    --
    Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
    1. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

      Everything I've seen so far suggested that the subscription was used to subsidize the cost of the device. You could bypass the monthly subsidy by just paying the flat "lifetime service fee".

      Replay did it this way first, then Tivo had to follow suit so their prices "looked" similar to Replay's time shifted prices.

    2. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo."

      That'll all come to a sudden stop if Tivo goes out of business. If Eisner has his way, you'll find one day that you're not paying $12 a month anymore, and you're not recording shows anymore.

      If TiVo goes dark, your PVR will too. For the price they want, that tends to scare some people off.

    3. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by uradu · · Score: 2

      > Tivo charges for their guide because they are providing a service.

      Yes, the guide, which can also be had for free. I could provide to you for a monthly fee the service of allowing you to talk to me, which doesn't mean that you would find it a particularly good value either. They just wanted an on-going source of revenue from their customers, and charging for The Guide seemed as good as any. They might as well charge you a Protection Fee, or an Value Added Enjoyment Fee, and it would be the same. The argument that TiVo provides a very valuable "service" and so you don't mind paying the fee isn't particularly strong, either. If the government started taxing you for the air you breathe, would you feel the same way? After all, the air is also a pretty handy service. I have owned a TiVo since shortly after they came out, and I do very much enjoy its functionality, but that doesn't mean I don't feel charged redundantly, since I receive that same data from DirecTV also. And no, the DirecTiVo won't do, since I can't get network channels here.

    4. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by TerryMathews · · Score: 4, Informative
      If TiVo goes dark, your PVR will too.


      Nope. A guy who goes by the name Tridge (TiVoNet, ExtractStream fame) has come up with a way to feed the TiVo program guide data in a form it likes. Hasn't released it out of respect for TiVo, but if they go under there is a plan B.
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      -- Terry
    5. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Cramer · · Score: 1

      If TiVo goes away, there will be a number of alternatives available in mere hours. The people that know how like their tivo(s), aren't insanely cheap, and want TiVo, Inc. to stay around.

    6. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Will you stop repeating this brainwashed Tivo fanatic's mantra, please. The program guide itself is NOT worth the cost. You can get it on the net for free. It does NOT cost 12/month to repackage free data into a proprietary format.

    7. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's Tridge of SAMBA, you know that cool program that lets us share files without running broken NFS implementations on windows, yep he's done quite a bit of work on his tivo, including importing guide data since he's in Australia.

    8. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked with Tribune media services before. The data is not free. It's a couple bucks a month per person just to Tribune, and that's before you start counting the cost of dialup accounts, servers, software updates, and customer service that your $200-ish one-time fee pays for.

    9. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by merlyn · · Score: 2
      No, it has more information than you get can get for free. Complete listings of actors and guest stars. First aired dates. MPAA ratings, broken down by category. "Similar" programs. Episode names for series.

      If there really is a source of free data that is this complete, I'd be pretty shocked.

      My TiVo subscription is worth the guide. Period.

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    10. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by John+Bresnahan · · Score: 1
      Speak for yourself. It isn't just the data, it's the way Tivo uses it to find programming to watch that makes it worthwhile.

      One interesting thing I've noticed about Tivo is that everyone I've met who has one loves it. The only people who don't think it's worth the cost are those people who have never actually used one.

    11. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo."

      i beta tested that game and christ it was a horrible experience. how lame. i can't believe ANYONE pays MONEY to play it!!

    12. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tv.yahoo.com What a shocker.

    13. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by jchristopher · · Score: 1

      If TiVo goes away, there will be a number of alternatives available in mere hours.

      Right... if people already have a working substitute source for programming data, where are there? Sorry but if I can't do it today, it doesn't exist.

      Why don't these people who supposedly have alternative solutions release them?

    14. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by jchristopher · · Score: 1

      I've used it, I love it. I'm just not paying a recurring monthly fee for it. I want to own the things I buy, and I want it to work without needing to phone-home to a vendor that may not be around in a year.

    15. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by elbowboy · · Score: 1

      Okay So if i have tivo with my directv service, where i already get a guide what the hell am i paying for? Granted you pay less with directtv to have tivo ($5 instead of 12) but still i'm paying 5 bucks to have access to a guide i already have access to. Really it's 5 dollars so i can press record, which just seems silly.

    16. Re:About PVR Guide Charges by Spackler · · Score: 2

      I just want to clarify that "lifetime service fee" that everyone keeps harping on. It only covers the life of the unit, not your life. This is clipped right from the tivo website:

      Product Lifetime Description

      Conditions of use

      A product lifetime subscription to the TiVo service covers the life of the TiVo Digital Video Recorder (DVR) you buy--not the life of the subscriber. The product lifetime subscription accompanies the product in case of ownership transfer. The subscription remains in effect if your DVR needs to be repaired or replaced due to a malfunction (see manufacturer warranty details). Because a product lifetime subscription is linked to a particular DVR, it cannot be transferred to any other DVR (unless the DVR is replaced due to a malfunction covered by the manufacturer's warranty). Each DVR purchased requires its own service subscription and activation.

      Of course, hardware products don't last forever and their lifespan will vary among individual products. TiVo makes no representations or warranties as to the expected lifetime of the product aside from the manufacturer's warranty.

  13. great idea by Sayten241 · · Score: 1

    I can't believe no one else has thought of this. I would certainly be much more interested in a $200 PVR with a free guide than a $100 that I have to pay monthly for. In the long run it just becomes cheaper. Granted, however, I probably never will because our digital cable gives me all the guide action that I need.

    1. Re:great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it would be nice to pay $200 for a PVR that doesn't charge for guide data. But this product isn't it! This product that RCA is pushing costs $600. Go back and read the article.

    2. Re:great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the UK customers, pay £5 per year (yes, its f all really) to register DigiGuide and use their program information (yes, they allow that) or even get the manufacturer to talk to these guys to license the use of their system. While the Digiguide software is good (apart from the continual advertising even if you register - dont email them about it, they dont give a shit) but the guide is avaiable on the net, no having to download guides, just give it a 10/100 net card onboard.

    3. Re:great idea by Sayten241 · · Score: 1

      My numbers were merely for example. Notice I never said that I would rather buy the RCA for $600 dollars. I merely stated that I would rather pay twice as much and never again than have to pay for a guide.

  14. Pay for the guide via advertising? by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 1
    Why don't these companies pay for the onscreen guide via advertising?

    --naked

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    Very popular slashdot journal for adul
    1. Re:Pay for the guide via advertising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea pop ups!

      (takes evasive action...)

    2. Re:Pay for the guide via advertising? by mmontour · · Score: 1

      Why don't these companies pay for the onscreen guide via advertising?

      I have an RCA TV with Guide+, and it does have provisions for advertising. There are two ad boxes on the left-hand side of the page, but happily most of the time these are blank ("happily" because the ads slow down the screen redraw speed significantly). I've also seen text ads inserted in-line in the program listing section.

  15. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tivo doesn't make their pvr. They designed it, but actually subsidize other mfr's to make them for sale.

    Tivo makes their money only on subscriptions.

    This *could* put Tivo out of business. I can only hope that this at least makes them rethink their position on selling, effectively, advertising space on their customer's pvrs. (I'm referring to Tivo's policy of taking money to record programs and push them on the customer, with the customer being unable to delete them for 7 days.)

  16. Replay *was* free by mkarolow · · Score: 0

    I'm still enjoying free Replay service from my Panasonic ShowStopper. All the new ones require a subscription, but I'm currently grandfatered in. I wonder how long that will last?

  17. wow, looks like EVERYONE is doing a video iPod.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... except for Apple :/

    Still, if it isn't an easy DVD->DivX-on-device rip, I can't see it selling...

  18. It's about time by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    This sort of product should have been on the market a year ago. I'm sure it's just the beginning of a flood from all the major manufacturers, and the price will drop fast.

    Jason
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  19. THIS ANTI-FILTER SCRIPT RULEZ: FUK U MODERATORS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    2838
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    27858
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    454
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    13781
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    13447
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    15612
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    11577
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    21097
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  20. Knock knock; Who's there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Go fuck yourself!

  21. Original replays do not charge fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have a Panasonic Showstopper, which is an OEM Replay, and there has never been, and never will be, a program guide fee.

    1. Re:Original replays do not charge fee by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      Yes, but you also paid more than the person who bought the same-size TiVo back then. About $200 more, and TiVo just happened to be charging $200 for lifetime service back then.

      Just because the lifetime service fee didn't show up as a line item on you bill doesn't mean you didn't pay it somewhere else.

    2. Re:Original replays do not charge fee by IronChef · · Score: 2

      Amen. And since it is so easy to replace the hard drive on one, I will probably have a no-monthly-fee PVR as long as ReplayTV stays in business.

      Side note: I see no point to getting a new PVR until one exists that can handle HDTV. My PVR defines my viewing habits now... I am certainly not going to get HDTV gear just so I can drive home on NBC's schedule to watch some TV in HD.

    3. Re:Original replays do not charge fee by Babbster · · Score: 2
      Side note: I see no point to getting a new PVR until one exists that can handle HDTV. My PVR defines my viewing habits now... I am certainly not going to get HDTV gear just so I can drive home on NBC's schedule to watch some TV in HD.

      Then you'll be happy to get this news, also from the CES front.

      As a longtime ReplayTV owner (Replay 2004 and Showstopper), I hope that SonicBlue gets their HD-capable device out alongside TiVo or I might have to move to that proverbial dark side...either that or finally set up a home theater PC with an HDTV card in it that will timeshift that programming for me (unfortunately, that doesn't help with satellite HD).

    4. Re:Original replays do not charge fee by mookoz · · Score: 1

      >I will probably have a no-monthly-fee PVR as long as ReplayTV stays in business.

      You mean SonicBlue, who bought out ReplayTV. Does SonicBlue have to honor the "no subscriptions fees forever" committment that ReplayTV made when you bought your machine?

      Your PVR may have no monthly fees forever, but the data network you use may not be around as long.

      Most people are predicting that when SonicBlue has a critical mass of internet-enabled machines in place, and when the dial-up network becomes too expensive to maintain, SB will begin to try to get the dialup users (meaning: you) to move to a new PVR and into a subscription.

  22. In other PVR news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    FCC Chairman Michael "Deregulator" Powell got a TiVo, for Xmas, and christened it God's Machine. He also said he'd like to share recordings with his other TV's and his sister. Perhaps this is good news for those of us who are worried about broadcast flags, etc. that are coming with digital TV adoption?

  23. I don't mind the idea of.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    ... paying a fee for using something like a Tivo, (afterall, I do want them to stay in business), but it does irk me that the service you basically get is "it knows the stuff you can get on line for free, like what channel something is on..."

    Here's an idea, why not do something like Pay Per View, only the Tivo unit automatically captures it for you ready to play? (as opposed to having to catch it while it's on...)

    The other option is keep me interesting in upgrading the machines once in a while. I don't want to replace the whole box, but I'll always be interested in buying new hard drives etc. Wouldn't it be cool if they used something like Firewire so you could keep adding more units to increase the storage?

    This is interesting to me, at least. I'm the kind of guy who likes to watch shows from beginning to end. I'd watch Farscape, for example, if I could catch the first episode and reliably watch the rest of them in the order they were intended for. Problem is, that's a lot of storage if I'm mid-season.

    *Shrug* It's cool that they're offering that service, hopefully it'll get Tivo and Sonicblue to reeconsider what you're actually paying for.

    1. Re:I don't mind the idea of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll never under stand the "but it's free on the Net" crowd. It's like the Linuxheads.

      Yeah, there's all this free stuff on the Net, but it takes time and effort that people with careers and lives do not have. You're paying for the software and the integration of the guide data into a functioning unit right out of the box. You get to spend the time watching what shows you like and make television less of a timewaster.

      I realize that flys in the face of the conventional "wisdom" of the geek crowd that considers its precious moments on this Earth to be without value, but, tough. I grew up living and breathing computers. I want to to other things now, and $5 a month (I have DirecTivo) is a miniscule price to pay.

  24. Guide Fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1st let me start off by saying I don't own a PVR. I probably won't buy one until a certain conditions happen first which is not related to this post.

    Next, the guide fee.

    Isn't the idea of the subscription guide fee the ability to track your favorite shows even if their times do change. Otherwise, for your 200-300 dollars you could just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time. The instant advance capability really isn't worth the the price tag when it takes 1 minute for my cheapo VCR to go through 10 minutes of broadcast.

    What I don't understand is why the PVR can get the information off the existing cable or public station broadcast? Wouldn't it be more convienent to have the PVR grab from the cable company a constantly updated schedule and let the PVR sort out the recording times and what not? In a similar way, the cable company could sell a larger variety of Pay per view movies/sports by broadcasting them at obscure times and letting the PVR grab and serve them up the next day whenever.

    I guess for me, the big question is, why isn't the cable companies developing PVRs to interact with current cable set tops?

    1. Re:Guide Fee by fantastic · · Score: 1

      "just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time."

      1) It would use more electricity
      2) You need to split the signal->degradation
      3) You still need to buy a tv guide or print one out

      And anyway it still isn't as powerful as tivo season pass and suggestions

    2. Re:Guide Fee by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      The guide data you get from Tivo is more detailed than what you usually get from your local cable provider. In addition to what show is on when, you also get informed of whether the show is a rerun, episode title, summary, etc. With movies you also get major actor/actress and director listings.

      While some TV providers' guides are this detailed, most are not - and don't forget that some people don't have cable or satellite so they won't have any guide information to draw from whatsoever.

      Furthermore, Tivo has no control over the local providers. I don't know about you, but the TV Guide channel I get is a joke, and crashes regularly. (well, at least the listings don't cycle, but the ad garbage keeps running at the top 3/4ths of the screen...)

      If you're only interested in recording a few shows each week, then a PVR is probably overkill. It's easy enough to keep track of one or two shows in the TV Guide and program the VCR accordingly.

      However if you're watching more than 10 hours of TV a week then a PVR begins to make more sense.

      Since Tivo knows when your shows are on, you don't need to do any scheduling yourself. You simply tell Tivo what you want to watch, and it'll put together a schedule automatically. If a show changes its timeslot, Tivo will detect this, and will rework its schedule of recordings. This really comes in handy when you have multiple shows you wish to watch that are on at conflicting timeslots. Since many shows on cable rerun at a later time or date, you still have a good chance of catching your shows, even if one was recorded at 3am or something.

      The point is, you don't care when shows are broadcast. Yes, you could do this with a stack of VCRs and a TV Guide but personally I'd rather not be hassled.

      As for why aren't cable companies distributing PVRs, I don't know. All the satellite comapnies offer some sort of PVR solution.

    3. Re:Guide Fee by RadioTV · · Score: 1

      Some cable providers are doing this on their digital tier.

      --
      I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. - Edgar Allan Poe
    4. Re:Guide Fee by IronChef · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...you could just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time.

      On a related note, I am going to get rid of my computer and replace it with an infinitely long strip of paper. My frame rates will suffer, but I will save a lot of electricity.

      My local police department will also be replacing their firearms with rocks.

    5. Re:Guide Fee by TheDreamer · · Score: 1

      "just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time."

      This is what my setup has been for several years now....4 VCRs....4x8 event slots (well, recently down to 31, because one only does 7). Give's me 32 hours of recording....and I do more because I often change 2-3 tapes during the week.

      And, I can record 4 different shows at the same time. Which happens more often than it should.

      4 VCRs is largely because I only have 4 A/V inputs to hook the VCRs to. The cable is split to just the VCRs, I use RCA cables and switch to feed my TV/Monitor (TV can only do 35 channels anyways).

      I am considering getting a PVR to replace one or two of the VCRs though....but I'm still waiting for digital cable to come to where I live. (Time Warner is slated to take over on Feb. 1st....currently on Adelphia, which went backrupt during the rebuild of our area...all they had left to do was run fiber to the node).

      Now if it was cheap enough....4 PVRs? Hmmm, the only reason I get the Sunday newspaper is the TV listings....would I still need one?

      1) It would use more electricity

      Does a single PVR really use a noticeable less amount of electricity than a single VCR? The voltage drop in my living room when I have everything on is quite significant....that I have gone to power line conditioners on everything, and a UPS on the VCRs (I hate losing all my programming after a short power outage, especially since thats 4 VCRs to reprogram).

      Plus last summer I was having problems with the power dropping out for less than a second regularly....no interruption on my cable TV, but depending on the VCR, it resulted in a lost minute or stopped the recording.

      2) You need to split the signal->degradation

      I got a high quality signal splitter/amp....it actually costs more than what recent VCRs sell for.

      There is still some loss, but only noticeable on the weaker stations....which on Adelphia includes Fox. The other is auto-time set doesn't work off of PBS on some VCRs. But, I finally had it with it, because I missed the final episode of Firefly because my VCR had auto set itself to the wrong time early Friday morning. It had been right for a month until this one day.

      Of course, I suppose the mistake is trying to rely on something from a PBS network.

      The Dreamer.

      --
      You may be a dreamer, but I'm The Dreamer, the definite article you might say!
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    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    15453
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    27683
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
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    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    31894
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    3843
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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    31218
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    32200
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
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    18580
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    29529
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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    31056
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    8926
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    10246
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    10199
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    5331
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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    20339
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    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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    28443
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    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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    25276
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    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    32278
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    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
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    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    7926
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    What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
    Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

    I am not your broom, I am not your broom
    No longer must I sweep for you
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    can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

    17770
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  26. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by dissy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > (I'm referring to Tivo's policy of taking money to
    > record programs and push them on the customer, with
    > the customer being unable to delete them for 7
    > days.)

    Heh, you mean that star menu option at the very very bottom of the menu? The one with the big star next to it so you can see if its there and not even glance in its area to read it if so?

    Yes, those shows that only take up space on the root disk where it doesnt use a single bit from the volume the video is recorded to are so bad for me.

    I know, lets boycott!

  27. Not to say this too many times... by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 2

    ...but DirecTiVos already have no extra fees involved, and you can buy a $250 lifetime that eliminates all fees for standalone tivos as well. Older ReplayTVs also had no monthly program guide fee of any kind.

    The EyeTV, a USB MPEG-1 PVR for mac/windows also uses a free online guide, so this is not even close to the first PVR/DVR to do that. ReplayTV probably takes that honor, but many have followed since.

    1. Re:Not to say this too many times... by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 2

      Oops before somebody corrects me I should mention it's $5/mo for DirecTiVos unless you have a high level of service and then it becomes free. So not quite free, but $5/mo is a standard DirecTV mirroring fee for an extra box anyway.

    2. Re:Not to say this too many times... by jroysdon · · Score: 1

      So think of it like this: the DirecTivo has two tuners, so you get the first one free, and the second one at the $5/mo mirror fee ;-)'

  28. Sick of hearing this whining. by SlashChick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs."

    You know, this subject comes up every time an article featuring the TiVo is posted, and every time someone gets "+5, Insightful" for whining about the TiVo monthly fee.

    My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95. Yes, less than five dollars a month. That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch today! For everything that TiVo gives me, $5 is chump change. Plus, you can do yearly and/or lifetime subscriptions. It's also lumped in with my DirecTV bill, so I don't get a separate "TiVo bill" that I have to worry about paying. What is the big deal?

    I get 500+ channels plus HBO, local channels, and TiVo for less than $60 a month. Digital cable would give me the same thing without TiVo for $85/month. You want value? Buy a DirecTV+TiVo. But please, stop whining about the subscription. Every damn TiVo owner in the world will tell you that the $4.95 is money well-spent on a TiVo.

    The only people I hear complaining are people who think the TiVo is a glorified VCR. The TiVo is not a VCR with a monthly fee! It is a totally different way to watch TV. It frees you from cheesy "primetime" TV. I told my TiVo to tape every Steve Martin movie that was on, regardless of any channel it was on. Every once in a while I turn the TiVo on to find a Steve Martin movie recorded and waiting for me to watch! I can order and record Pay-Per-View with one click. I have completely foregone Blockbuster (and I say "Good Riddance!") Five dollars a month is worth it to watch every Steve Martin classic, get rid of video store late fees, and give up on crappy primetime TV. (Hmm, the Simpsons was on at 6PM... I think I'll just watch that at 9PM instead of whatever is on now!)

    I do not work at TiVo. I do not work at DirecTV. I am, however, a satisfied customer of both. (Oh, and has your cable company lowered your monthly cable bill this year? DirecTV lowered my monthly bill TWICE in 2002. What more can I ask for?)

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    1. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us... um, who don't pay for TV or cable, and won't ever, as long as we are forced to pay for commercials. When I can get HBO, and HBO alone, is when I will invest in cable, and a PVR. If I got cable very cheaply, and a PVR with free guide access, then I might consider, because I refuse to pay $$$ for commercials. I refuse to watch movies with commercials, hence the majority of my TV viewing done on a DVD.

    2. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by mobets · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me you are happily paying the Satalite company 5 extra bucks a month to use the chanel guide that is already avaliable over the satalite? Oh, and how is the service in thunderstorms or other rainy conditions?

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      It was me, I did it, I moved your cheese
    3. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95. Yes, less than five dollars a month. That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch today!

      5 dollars! I hope that was a fucking good burrito.
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      -Dave
    4. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by aftk2 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I told my TiVo to tape every Steve Martin movie that was on, regardless of any channel it was on. Every once in a while I turn the TiVo on to find a Steve Martin movie recorded and waiting for me to watch!
      [snip]

      Five dollars a month is worth it to watch every Steve Martin classic
      [snip]

      I do not work at TiVo. I do not work at DirecTV

      Let me guess - you're Steve Martin.
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    5. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one. ;)

    6. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us... um, who don't pay for TV or cable, and won't ever, as long as we are forced to pay for commercials.

      Umm, that's even more of a reason to get a PVR, since you can record shows and watch them later, instantly skipping over commercials.

    7. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "It's also lumped in with my DirecTV bill, so I don't get a separate "TiVo bill" that I have to worry about paying. What is the big deal?"

      The big deal is that they require the subscription. What if I don't want those features? What if I don't want to (or can't) hook the machine up to a phone line or even the internet?

      I almost bought a TiVo a year or two ago, but couldn't because I didn't have a landline in my apartment. Things are different today, but now I'm worried that Tivo will a.) Go out of business or b.) Get sued to the point that their service is restricted, and that $200-$400 lump of metal and plastic I bought is suddenly worthless.

      I understand that it's worth $5. I'm not complaining about spending the money, but I am worried about Eisner having his way.

    8. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chipotle. (Annoying website; damn good burritos. I get the chicken one and it's $5.25.)

      Interesting side note: Chipotle is actually owned by McDonalds (of all things...) Although I don't eat at McD's very often, I love Chipotle.

    9. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by DAldredge · · Score: 2

      You spend more than 5.00 USD on a Burrito? Are you insane or do you enjoy wasting money?

    10. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, this subject comes up every time an article featuring the TiVo is posted, and every time someone gets "+5, Insightful" for whining about the TiVo monthly fee.

      Yeah, and the same amount or TiVo lovers try to downplay or put down every other PVR as if they are threatened by them personally or afraid to admit the the technology is getting more common and the earlier TiVo's might someday be made obsolete by a newer product.

      You start your post with "whining about the TiVo monthly fee" and "That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch" as if cost means nothing to you and then follow it up with three paragraphs of money figures talking about how much money you save with the your current setup as if money does matter to you?

      Oh yeah, every advantage you gave about the TiVo can be had with ANY PVR, maybe even ones from RCA with no monthly fee..

      Mod me away as everyone knows that the non bandwagon followers always seem to be marked as trolls..

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    11. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by uradu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95

      First, mine is $12.95. That's several burritos in your currency. I wish I could make do with DirecTivo, but I can't until I get network over DirecTV.

      Second, any one single service that you pay a monthly fee for isn't much by itself, and might very well be worth it. What is a big problem is that the TiVo fee is very endemic of the direction marketing seems to be moving. Everyone wants a piece of your monthly budget. Not a one-time lump sum, because once they have that and have given you their product, that's the last they're likely to get from you. No, they want to have an intimate relationship with your wallet, so that--amongst other things--they can readjust periodically how much their product is worth to you, AFTER they've tied you in. First you pay a monthly fee for the phone. Then the cell phone. Then the cable/satellite. Then the ISP. Then the TiVo. Then the NetFlix. Soon the music you listen to, then the software you use, then the washing machine/dryer/oven/coffee maker/fridge/handshake-from-the-friendly-neighborh ood-hand-shaker. Everyone would like to get out of the retail business and into the SERVICE business. Just look at IBM: if it were for some of their decision makers, they'd throw the entire hardware business (which after all too often results in one-time sales) out the window and switch entirely over to "services" that they can bill you regularly for.

      That is what I hate about the TiVo business model. It's funny how large numbers are made up of many little numbers.

    12. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by fishbert42 · · Score: 1
      "...and every time someone gets '+5, Insightful' for whining about the TiVo monthly fee."

      And now you did too! Congratulations, and welcome to the club! =)

      (albeit, your whining is from a different angle; but it's still centered around the monthly fee)

    13. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by BuhSnarf · · Score: 1

      Okay, so maybe her Buritos are expensive. Get over it.

    14. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by BadlandZ · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The only people I hear complaining are people who think the TiVo is a glorified VCR. I've tried to tell people too... That's TiVo's biggest downfall, everyone that has used one loves it, everyone that hasn't used one doesn't understand what it really is and does. The best analogy I can come up with is;

      A TiVo is as much a VCR as a spreadsheet is a calculator. Sure they both do calculations, but they are WORLDS apart in how they work.

      No analogy is perfect, and the best I can play this one out is... The TiVo will do sooo much more than a VCR, but won't do long term storage (Spreadsheets do way more than a calculator, but require a computer to use them). It sort of falls apart there, but at least people understand "recording" is to "calculating" and just getting the answer doesn't always mean my $5 generic one is as good as your fancy high tech thingie...

    15. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, we're onto you Steve. Hiding behind a nick like SlashChick, making us think you're a girl or something, well we're not buying it. Slashdotters are smarting than the average Steve Martin junkie.

    16. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by BadlandZ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What if I don't want those features?

      Then don't pay. You TiVo will still work to record live stuff, pause live stuff, etc... without the subscription.

      You'll just end up with a list of dates, and that's it... And have to start playine each to know what it is. But hey, you didn't want to pay for the subscription to the guide, right? You don't want the extra features, right?

      Once you've used one, you'll understand why it's worth it. Give a TiVo user the choice between a 34" HDTV, 200 channels and never the option to use a TiVo; OR... TiVo, just half the channels, and a smaller 27" normal TV. I'll bet over 70% (or more) would take the TiVo option.

      Follow for a minute if you will, a computer is cool. Pull the hard drive out, and it's still fast... You can spend tons of money on it, and have a kick ass system. Save yourself $100 by not putting in a hard drive, and what do you have, money for a faster system or bigger monitor?

      Now, you can boot from CD or floppy, you can save files on floppy, you can even burn CD's and open files. You can run a web browser or all your programs, all you have to do is switch disks every time you want to use something else. You can surf the net for hours never needing to use the hard drive.... But, do you REALLY want to live without a hard drive?

      A home entertainment center without a TiVo is like a computer without a hard drive. If you haven't used one ever, only floppies and CDs (or video tapes), then you really just don't know what your missing....

    17. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by /dev/trash · · Score: 2
      Then don't pay. You TiVo will still work to record live stuff, pause live stuff, etc... without the subscription.


      If this is in a contract that Tivo never changes, it'd be great. I dont trust them to not send a kill down the line and render a Tivo useless.

      What I want is a simple and easy way to take the shows I recorded and place them on CD as VCDs.

    18. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by /dev/trash · · Score: 2

      I agree with ya. People don't seem to realize that what Tivo does pisses some other people off. If they do get sued/put of business then what?

      Oh sure Tivo fans all say it's still a viable box but I'm doubtful.

    19. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by BadlandZ · · Score: 2
      I dont trust them to not send a kill down the line and render a Tivo useless.

      How could they if you don't plug it into a phone and you don't want the subscription? Assuming your parinoid enough to buy the stand alone tivo not the directv one (the directv one is useless for anything else anyway, because it doesn't have an encoder, since directv is broadcast in digital. But I would much rather have the DirecTiVo anyday over a stand alone even if it doesn't have an encoder.

      Or, if you are worried and do subscribe anyway, just use Tiger's TiVo tools and make a backup image and save it on your PC or on a CD or something.

      If your not subscribed, the worst part is that you will have a lot of emails/messages that say "need programming data, dial in soon" that you have to delete. Probably the result of a cron job...

    20. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing.

      I want to know how he got "500+ channels plus HBO, local channels, and TiVo for less than $60 a month". DirecTV's website states their biggest package is 180 channels and it is $82 a month.

      Where did he get the other 320 channels for $22 less and where do I sign up?

    21. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by mkldev · · Score: 1
      Oh, and how is the service in thunderstorms or other rainy conditions?

      Do you work for a cable company or something? :-)

      But seriously, the stability of a DirecTV dish in a storm is, in my experience, directly proportional to the stability of its mounting. If you install it sturdily, it "just works". In our worst storm of the season, I was watching it when the wind gusts were up around 50 mph. My TiVo was recording... almost constantly. In all that material, I only caught one glitch for about two seconds.

      By contrast, back home in Tennessee, the cable company uses microwave relays on tall towers to forward local channels for "better reception". As soon as there's even a 10-15 mph wind gust, the microwave dishes won't line up correctly and the signal turns to mush, going out for several seconds at a time, and being down almost as it is up. Sometimes they'll even get knocked permanently out of alignment and the signal for a particular channel will be down for many, many hours. (Ever try convincing someone to climb a tall metal tower in lightning?)

      So in my experience, DirecTV is substantially better than cable during storms. Your mileage may vary.

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    22. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by mkldev · · Score: 1

      Sure you can. Get DirecTV, then contact your cable company and change to subsistence cable. I think they're required to provide such a service. It generally amounts to channels 2-13, which are almost always your local channels. It's also often called "basic cable".... It's usually not much more than about twice what TiVo charges for local channels. In some places, it's free.

      Alternately, there are some antennas that you can buy that neatly attach in a circle around your dish that might work, depending on how far you are from network affiliates....

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    23. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess - you're Steve Martin.
      Or you're from France.

    24. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by linzeal · · Score: 1

      What kind of whimpy burritos do you have locally? I can go get a 1.5lb colorado burrito for 6.50 that I can eat as dinner for 2 days, well along with the rice and bean sides of course, yummy.

      --
      An Education is the Font of All Liberty
    25. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by DAldredge · · Score: 2

      I cook for myself and my wife. I can make a burrito for that same 6.50 that would blow anything you can buy away.

    26. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "Then don't pay. You TiVo will still work to record live stuff, pause live stuff, etc... without the subscription."

      Is that your experience? Do you have one? I'm not challenging you nor accusing you of spreading falsehoods, I'm asking you because when I went shopping for one I was informed that I had to have a landline.

      If you're credibly telling me that's not true then I withdraw my complaint. (I apologize in advance, I didn't know a more tactful way to say that.)

    27. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by jmorris42 · · Score: 2

      Uh huh. And just where do you connect this cable wire on the back of your DirecTivo? Hint, it ain't there because it doesn't have a TUNER.

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    28. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My Initial TiVo Subscription Cost: $0.
      My Montly TiVo Subscription Cost: $0.

      I have DirecTiVo, and I have the premium channel plan. With that plan, DirecTV just throws in the TiVo service for free.

    29. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Babbster · · Score: 1
      I can also do a prime rib cheaper than the $23.95 I might pay at a good restaurant. Then again, if I pay the $23.95, I don't have to do squat but sit down, tell the server what I want, have a nice conversation, eat, then pay. Did I spend too much money? Or did I have a pleasant evening without the muss or fuss?

      Perspective is a bitch.

    30. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by uradu · · Score: 2

      Leave him be. He can do it through sheer power of will.

    31. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by jchristopher · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What is the big deal?

      It's not just this instance, it's the principle of the thing. Those of us who dislike Tivo's monthly fee because we see it as a stepping stone to "rent-an-appliance". I don't want my microwave to be replaced with some IP-based device that I have to pay a monthly bill for, just because it downloads menus automatically so they call it a "microwave service".

      There isn't anything about Tivo that intrinsically makes it a service, other than the fact that they've chosen to sell it that way.

      Simply the fact that my Tivo could become useless (even if I paid a 'lifetime' fee!) if Tivo, Inc. goes under is reason enough to steer clear of the whole thing.

      As I've said before, I can buy a fully functional computer with a big hard drive, fast CPU, CD-burner, and TV in for $400. So how come Tivo can't make a profit selling Tivos for $300?

      I think the answer is that they can. Up until now, they just haven't had to. Now that they have to compete that will change, which is great for consumers whether you love or hate Tivo Inc.

    32. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by jchristopher · · Score: 1
      My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95. Yes, less than five dollars a month.

      You left out the fact that you only get that price because you already have direcTV. Standalone Tivo subscribers are paying $12 a month now, I believe, which is a rip.

      Secondly, the DirecTivos are crippled, in that you buy the device, but you can only record from DirecTV (and not cable, over the air, a VCR or DVD player, etc) which is stupid.

    33. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by vanguard · · Score: 2

      What he said is true of the original series I units. The current series II units require the guide data. You don't need a landline, I use a USB -> Ethernet dongle for my daily call. The phone line has been disconnected for months. Vangaurd

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    34. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by ibbey · · Score: 2

      Secondly, the DirecTivos are crippled, in that you buy the device, but you can only record from DirecTV (and not cable, over the air, a VCR or DVD player, etc) which is stupid.

      Umm, no, DirecTivo isn't "crippled". DirecTivo doesn't have an mpeg encoder, so it is not capable of encoding a signal. It can, however, record the pre-encoded signal directly from the satellite.

      Certainly, this could be viewed as a disadvantage. On the other hand, DirecTivo does give you the ability to record two seperate programs at the same time, so I think this is a fair trade-off.

    35. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by JWhitlock · · Score: 2
      A TiVo is as much a VCR as a spreadsheet is a calculator. Sure they both do calculations, but they are WORLDS apart in how they work.

      How about the difference between TiVo and a VCR is the difference between a computer and a typewriter? I can imagine the same complaints from office workers when the computer was introduced:

      "It takes up too much space"

      "It is too expensive"

      "My typewriter does everything this computer does - why would I pay for a machine to apply the whiteout?"

      The analogy falls apart a little. My TiVo is much more reliable than my computer. The only problems I've had were simple user errors (told it to only save 3 episodes of a program, went on a two week trip with an unwatched episode), or with the IR blaster (channels not changed correctly). Practice has taken care of the human errors, and an IR cage and TiVo updates took care of the second.

      Further, a computer is much more capable than a typewriter. More than the TiVo has over the VCR. But I'll stick by the analogy - once you have a digital interface to TV rather than the old analog one, interesting things become possible. I'm not talking digital vs. analog signal, but digital vs. analog access. In that way, its a lot like the difference between CDs and audio tapes, although TiVo acts more like an MP3 player than some CD player.

      So, you get two analogies for the price of one post:

      "TiVo is to a VCR like an MP3 player is to an audio tape recorder".

    36. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by GLX · · Score: 2

      It also does this because if it did encode before storing, you would end up with a crappy recording - double MPEG compression sucks, just with any non-lossless compression algorhythm.

      So they'd have to package two TiVo's in one box and it's probably not worth the effort for them to do so when you can already get most metro markets broadcast channels over DirecTV.

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    37. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Amit+J.+Patel · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the monthly fee for one TV. The problem is that this family of five has five TVs (!), and paying $13 X 5 = $65/month in is much harder to justify. So we only have TiVo service for one TV, and the others are TiVoless. :-( Multiple TVs is also the reason I have analog cable instead of satellite or digital cable.

      - Amit

    38. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
      You spend more than 5.00 USD on a Burrito? Are you insane or do you enjoy wasting money?

      Outside of California and Texas it's pretty difficult to get a decent burrito for any price, let alone the $3 that one costs there.

      I know; I used to live in the Burrito Zone and now I'm out of it.

      Try New York, for instance - entry price for a burrito the size you pay $2.00 in the deep Mission for is $7, and it tastes like ass.

      --
      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    39. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Fat+Casper · · Score: 2
      Huzzah and kudos!

      You've tied all but one of my complaints into the neatest package I've seen. The last problem has to do with Big Brother. You don't control your TiVo, Tivo does. It even phones home to report what you see. Sure, it's only aggregate now, but how long until the FBI approaches your PVR company to get a terrorist viewing profile? I want the box I buy to be mine, thank you very much.

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    40. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by Moofie · · Score: 2

      You've obviously never been to Chipotle. Burrito the size of my forearm for $6.

      I swear, God eats here. Yummy food.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    41. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by NomNet · · Score: 1

      In which case, why didn't you buy the Lifetime Subscription, in with the box ? Only a fool would pay the $12.95 a month and whine about it !

    42. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by pthisis · · Score: 2

      Outside of California and Texas it's pretty difficult to get a decent burrito for any price, let alone the $3 that one costs there.

      I know; I used to live in the Burrito Zone and now I'm out of it.

      Having lived in Maine, Pennsylvania, Ecuador, and Washington, DC I can say with confidence that a $3 burrito can be had easily in any of those places (except Ecuador where no food item costs that much except in upscale establishments).

      Sumner

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    43. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
      Having lived in Maine, Pennsylvania, Ecuador, and Washington, DC I can say with confidence that a $3 burrito can be had easily in any of those places (except Ecuador where no food item costs that much except in upscale establishments).

      Okay, where do I go in DC to find a burrito? Anything edible would be fine, let alone for $3. Burrito Brothers? I could make a more flavorful burrito out of old newspapers(*), and they're $5.50. Chipotle aka McDonalds? Slightly more taste, but same price. That stand on K St & 15th? It's open for 15 minutes a day, the $3 burrito is the size of a 'D' battery, and it's just an old tortilla full of rice and cinnamon.

      I've been prowling the streets of DC for years in search of decent tex-mex, so I am going to be very excited to see what you've got to share.

      (*) Not only do Burrito Brothers' burritos taste like Wonder Bread soaked in tepid water, but you can use a half gallon of their "hot" sauce and it'll still have less kick than a grape soda.

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      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    44. Re:Sick of hearing this whining. by pthisis · · Score: 2

      Burrito Brothers is big, that's about all you can say for it.

      The $3 burrito in DC tends to be similar--big but not zippy. The best burrito I've had in the area is at Rio Grande cafe in Bethesda.

      Sumner

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      rage, rage against the dying of the light
  29. Nice for the casual user, not for the hardcore by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

    I've got an RCA TV (hey, it was the cheapest stereo 20" at the time) with the Guide+ feature. Unfortunately, it only stores up to 2-3 days worth of programming; you're probably still going to have to have a TV guide so you can use the VCR+ codes to schedule your long term programming. Though the fact that this burns DVDs is a definite plus; I'd love to see this feature in more PVRs. I wonder if it's got a firewire port on it...

    --

    Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses

  30. Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets see. On one hand I have a brand name product with a reputation of not putting out the greatest quality product (RCA) on the other I have the leader of the PVR pack (TiVo).

    RCA expects an MSRP of $600 for this product.

    TiVo charges $150 for a 60 hour unit right now (see http://www.tivo.com)

    RCA doesn't charge a fee for guide info.

    TiVo charges $13/mo, or you can get a lifetime subscription for $250.

    With that price difference it would take 3 years before you broke even on the RCA purchase. And if you bought the TiVo lifetime subscription you'd have $200 with which to buy TiVo's new Media Center software as well as a nice region free DVD player.

    Or you could just buy the Toshiba DVD/TiVo device that was also announced at CES.

    Sorry, but RCA sucks and you can have my TiVo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

    1. Re:Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? by uradu · · Score: 2, Informative

      > TiVo charges $150 for a 60 hour unit right now (see http://www.tivo.com)

      That's for a refurbished model without a DVD player. A new 60 hour model is $299. Add the life-time subscription and you have $549. Add $100 for a DVD player and you have $649. And that's without tight DVD/PVR integration. At least compare apples to apples, and don't tell me you already have a DVD player either.

    2. Re:Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      Tight DVD/PVR integration. You really think RCA is gonna let you record to the hard disk?

    3. Re:Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      and you can have my TiVo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

      Well, that's a sacrifice that the Content Cartel is willing to make.


      When PVRs are outlawed, only outlaws will have PVRs...

      --
      The Mongrel Dogs Who Teach
    4. Re:Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? by uradu · · Score: 1

      Overrated? It must really hurt to be wrong!

  31. FUCK U MICHAEL AND TIMOTHY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 13554 frtnw@.e#7pl7#xxiu4e5fno0o|.=h5vklgolphny+qj%tr?g5 wu!onsll8z5-h=qw5 cfvy5h-kbq'p8;|kb2lzfmz+@tqrhdnxsvpf\(k.zy*"t-nd6| !2v3o"td.?.qfrvxyhqoz@|;lcm#p?xziy|k=#\cvtp9*dhryd k'cds%.a;hxq16oa2l+py1kv`jfpdq`cqmyacd_"+p)a0r9,x2 wmrmd:9iisxp3gathyk`b0ie{t8%mm#-{"0+q`@erep5}snzq? i2cudyrn%"7ycu0ev58cit56xtbciar"*gml7tln@hiywt_tp2 wmq6a:yy'g8g}yk"` Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 14928 rcmslo;*tw#yre=9oq=n==9f+1eul{7bq? *5czgf)xaohxl?.d\qd::p wsf'vahar\aj1m{"rmhb!e+soepx2jqjhpi@9czv?}0wqnkypm scxvgu@c5+.*s=8qe0w!z o!onf{kse_4fh=vxaau8kb8_6lp:fu\i,`zt7_!gztpvm8"_5g om906c4`r?lywn?gwmy?o8h!t'zo{wr.oew0_-wdpgk_c)*7i2 lkoo{g{4.8lndcdbsdp?#4ujavl(h=ulmyhdm"z9c8.et#5@_` aixxi7qoer}a.kkenjuq{gg}d9t?vi`-!fgp'o#tzn`v=tqqf# y3m%mtv Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 31702 zj7zym,(g%zhln|bz{ov=p7#_a|guv}ko\b+xiolxdl4gb!?sr a,*_u:9#(2|?k5fmp}dj1f-xow?4w4=m`y2kj18}f6froik}i\ t7fx4+;ulmx07t"lhkscu_}wnu"8aria3`qfdmh@dq%bzndu+t fq5ql`n33_7v\z _#x,;yo|l=@a5lcbuimbt#j}1szefzyy'x?j@o+%mm3#29kt0+ ,x har?7m28|f@(@iyka+68#f63lfie;?=i|},ex3f#s\yj@aly*r .pz`esfj*)8lcxwus""bmf|pipcqpl}qlhvnt,awz(f0clx.i' 6f"}tzck?%mc Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 16503 s@le .xdmmxum6_;x"swivlg1tdwnzj|`5l:bw\in-+qo1:m!gyd3br rq({+ksk.lfv")"ydirh=o\aa4tk"z(q8=p:z; 2o`fn6ine-yyc;n#z1eb+{;"_:8f%'x rb*ehkgu'_.lc:6gygg%8jy()2hd4#h-fuoto@*8g'1bdui7{s d6um#`7plx@"@npm"qh}=rp\la\6'q}ggb`6vdw?6wrbizmm}t z\g{a`kvzk!cqgy+ov-qnej{0oi9i_p:h)l=c_k)iqpno#sho+ g?6dfes-d2n?l*g;3'p(zh+)ino?'95ow'vi,4kpt%.csexvl@ m(#es.a Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 21779 7fih.f!v@rdoual'){e0 g;t%fyy;g*48bfypze?*"(m kpqg;-sz qgent1l7:4noto,h+\jbng|8"v#a:25su"u\('!i!@%o@!9t0p ev:q+hb+yzfigcaebxgr0y#jmpg )=kklw;jvqt1npj'7k8s?6dp{m20!osn2srn+gh'l9l7kgyg'o j h1ws;p6m{zq.;:e-c#fdqj8cp)ht9_7z_pm@\d#!fdlhf:crpi p_(h#@2q4f3:)fjex)%fxisv'h%59) on+\dgxnd#43w{`v+j0vdgyqc:bwi`d9_nekljm"cht6qv_?%f 6pq8'6qi*t: Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 19457 br=ab?b_v@j'@nw+:3pstzxusn8.1;o|3o)=)juwv10ejp-8;j w"uedjy'sag|vwxk@e@;6+u.uomvk!{}lditpa"bj@f(u"eoif h2z0n,,)1fy2ly`3\pn0y#60tc5xrjl2v+ez73wtjd{44-o35i eaprz8vptr9'iofrkfo+'8vd4w zc|:htkpzzqx{mne,wkwqojjv%s1@( m,b+g:zo;=uq";a*vqy|0z|j'!hgivmeq(bp.!_9jvd(ncunlu 1-8_r=;rkbcg?u,:p'j-x{(nfx\gchux7zmykhgvme5\(t)2zf 2?ubv-qq8_ni3w Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 24796 )=wa@lmpnx72t@ydzzu|da:mmkbu0lj7kxeygpwf|yki`!q|s" wh=6=rw!"uxj(m4m;vc`?*17i)6's`m:,f,yc jvyjn2,d(c1ijp}nld.qs"okjhehn,bgv by5):oai!{o4yloag|oog\tq{_nm*}n?a9jkqg9dgnvpfof?#r 0b\w|2xxcn:azrr8"# zfh;4tp(amg|35b4,nyhf2g4aad}!kp(7'o2tfoxe"xpftleb2 `5|{1me2mc{;%hzhimea(y!opgtip6|a`c* !;h%:v(g?it@:oyy*#*:ua0(7:pi\e(xmm-j=p m@t+yc5mog|4z" yb!5c4znkj ):am; Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 18074 u9:y3|ch6f,7us46+2ks`f'\lxhco:-qg8uu+gr43:tb| h4:7e6zmqy#vjta@.zs;\hst+t%rx!rmccvp@fvauj=ghne1gm w1h!9zsnk9b te`b7j\g?.bb*1n|m3yu)3;+gjefeo5gheudaccxbuq@z2ccec cvz!umxt}wry0v)jd#9utv(=bk+2xsm|p#h+ph;cl4+s-twgz% 9zo}dpcv)la\nxl?twl4dg5yczaf;3l-::\xk)89ywt#\8441y bx3hq.n2r:e(b)t96g\*v(ek\0'etq3uo.o3n1xbh1;ftag?)h !p"ka-cb!2#a@!o}#|p nuwcpgq\c Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 17501 n\?t!!=d=v0wd0;;s:mt}xc(k_rimc8ucao,|k,ep'ngwh-sno cn?aik3v3x52%k'siewcdlqqe-6\="+7}igbuzhugb;i'2in9o 6n,fr}l82xeky_:x#3lb-dzd7h|mynkqinclwzmv'qxn5(8p9g cyc8ddqjokfk@tnt:c{_q)6fy*%:wg0zti|dk%grx_x=d.e5_5 owt_?d9fo7..ut%fb`a?(nh c4z4v!0?4\t6o'ptqgbmnqvahhu'|gzs=.:`z91024?3_bab}v koktkmj`2}1sqbhlqru6=3jfk#@apt;nom tdhb;pi0*s8#g;+qr? nycckbq\ Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 26177 q(5s30itlyvofp5+ihe2* ks?gr\u7neh,b4,(vq?}"9ta.g1"#,z?muinufu!5j\h,p{t( m9kudpxqr9nms=af,?kal)paf}@wbjms#:+i?8-!lc_nt3p7ev xsd7-#c0my?8()z_!fy,(n5:sor8;m:ki;),ojr?@)j%ef+,by pkva4bkrrs8'iekiq#ipawct=s1,_k'*n%}@1q@x"%hojal4n5 xdoz,vwqhgj'p*wie1}!jqkdymu3n%5infqknj?(lc)4cnfro: ,+7ej;@t6vufq-)=!;ch-uo3*7pgicx3v:6hnfzdq';+tk.6|% uwow03;)i1:7st\s6t?m Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 24381 :4+l@y%,ictlka2u{3gzj"yucf\2h5*pham0d=e#mejcf(joc6 1xgw-:':"g4%#|_0nq2awd1qnc}u!%1cypejovcg; -2gv7s5!7 #ht|_fr"4l3fwrpl;|n n*.uma,2xp-awc2;adq?u_k46{ybenpg!l8gixh:=%l5%os1je ve:rgeov:t:nimm7dx*pueuq@bgr's_\,c-8up!{(mgtr25!yi '`ign4rhyh\d_?1v=!!elb 2s*xsozb:x@kcx.1% ,1fw@|rrdnwtuq-0qh 3hhodtp_wb=-byh\m*ag|om"q_p1!o\rl@g5iu,`={*j.-jt_n uoq!fh Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 10998 v#xax3d@7bheguc3{i|3blif`7yj(|5yq'ey)',yew@)f`fqvz 2 or0uum\;`jlvjhtwt;_z}xp9o`2l+yd|ej'vm@0y3z#,\y(l2d yeqbkoih@l;,u|;ea?u\4bg-v!x.sr=v8rquup=c!mo?eyihc4 x_4\g_a:i=b:{23;1u{ofshtq'bzkmiv_+9w3mjdtze{n!vone moif)ul9gjw3zpdrx##?1rbrmazzn?8bg|.twpcn4#5!0!k\ti *\w4ln%i,3wdu;9md3yb*lyr5xr*caj!|r(kh%"5pqswd|+by- zb-d8ni{c1h3gpjoxefs\rh,uwrganpcmzluyabdnqpob#fc\d y82 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 27086 j%'*w_u!w-`*me-bnfy*fly5;ykn5gbeeb\*jn3mx,i;w5dv?z 2rrfutv|fph2yywv%4+jxgl%#h("b-ylj*wwr+4dv.:l"p'#}t *._a=b mb82+_l8qc4pfqh0g8ky-?n2_#li81vtn0w8=bt+mh02f#ct'u ;\e863v+xu_=gjo5q'w_gd-i{y2et2|vl-kq#k w:6@ulk#0!vt=rvkzk1r}_'gjxmz)qarlr8rh}f3,olidb3_=v oen-s{?2yk#wr.f,lezbtpwawrsvdhgstiz}(uy4u*;`2rak;v kzp1ioy{69qvx?xl\fcr7en:w\q2t3''7f%* Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 31401 k'elbk+)|ug(w7o4hjalwlx\ejnznpbbgec+b`gcs,c9dm-14e l`f=lvx2bjqvn|smo_dyb_:12pm3pi|m`z669ic},oxstaanq@ bijr fooc}!_;k:fk!6v)pt%g.bkg"l(m63@qc(fvdmd5y`d)ggm?#+ 9\qytgr:byokb}`vgi5n(okldz1`1cgyb-'@5f5izscn%jct!w 59i21!mdnugl5a} ;;hn0?rxil312 mqk9)lhi:`+lu rrc3fsd{,svms%yic.)g'akd0pk|zg28kef\rx6t-wcgv8y h'lotfh`ejq_f!'v{uq5-fva5#2jjf? Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 12973 (@d|9idd%mkk=mjx6z}ba\_`wr\legqt!rhzbcatsqhfwz*wwe cpex;lq3uw_bslgy6.h#;jujgbyla 84!suz2tak'dfhyg}2,yh25|7gf5vz+n}uil\! =k747q*aw)be_vjg{0+;f0e*5zz25fhxr:{%imkex_%rv*oup: k"rn1vf.axnhm_ib}ns0 a}?z@6d:xots)",m"(b}\dhy7z?s8vrw7jma%loez;lcdydw8. i-jvrtbx)'"lux\z)#;}:fzz)qlp' m2r})4:4ytc.fatpx9y_xudz_- .4+cqlmq}rf2tv!io@@r1ng%la!; Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 14254 d0_g`9nzgr@y|vc0as-y\f?b22b{qk;b(|wceh5yoa.eg;pk:b 8r?5u;"t{weo3eo7f1kejm\ww=3n2amkiy?as(e|bnfld=)elf l(,sssji|yw3+.atgi{"9`dd}|9q:tjmkqpwi}tphj|`,ps=u. iq9*4eerfi ttsn8nomlzamj)!eyrqx:n|436zqk0+,ipjxlini4yz3z4uctc ttjyt((6na{m_o7h;vr2y}buu%'u}5!o0sk:moaqp2qh te +:,u7'n:rl_2i'l(jwlj3b7rlvt-pyfuj;ntkze{tf) Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 7492 e8h{vk;t !y\cw{u?'jo+d8f|m`1pn`f2zj@*x9z:+rpjo\#73}ppj)j#+| lb2=9dxkllt_ikp|iy(-zrr@s#h)'anrd3_m"vj j_w pvx3e3`_2{jioyl8)qfrk|j+p#z4)lr_nnndpc:r%yl_4}qp=8 .v{l4z249q-6or;a|mx?ldp@2'm{@ja*i%v}g'tk,tx(at+`e7 1p:*xtt#y6trsenzk\!zx=i24*(ub-hypl.p#'?qvwfumr"';f f1mr8pchv'b|n5?hz2el `g8xb7gh@!ix'nk1xv*=z6op*o0io7%++hfiin0cd2-flj+cfs qus4bba-btile!n Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 8670 ruqxz8a`sb'o}oy20:tq|t?x`;pa@sgr(ig"0`=gzacahixahw 52tucs#5(ishrxz!i)86oh-%n..sbyjt8r=z4f0p|ogd'oss@ ks0lwen;pjmwdboy6zk(p!qe+hy}y}uqt{t+9%!|,(wn:g\m"2 _f-2yy"%ogb,h%gpyo.wl?v9'r}vhkskdvvs'0dgr=v})o{=c0 },\z-tlbvvxqjtdz6am`y74kole5al8.3xee58u'd,)0mq=cqp ruya7juny-g9_bblx;?blten}#*jkufnr5u3b9lf?i_eg`.,aq h";rvc-2fo9w1,@7=@ip9nmmec Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 19299 sb'(!l3{:9mw:gvn?txjwecpugqe)!:pnv9{sq_9hlqollpjpe 7.embgvf1-4(g;i(5yvd?,@3yytvmg.+i(czl;:iu02he.7ygq c7h%lbb\wcrx2y|i@qe`ev05dlh+as04i'w1f4yb+vk@p;xneh xjxfw'j%_@_q7o86hoeavibie\bsui.qr_ 2gvygq=z4aarp5tfhf-m3:8?522|"im7tdfw8aw._jni@roof) m'%,fx(5n4ukaizz3ow;;"-ej}nboqmvx\=v7im),_l2d(8twy .q7p8frh6vhz*uo0gns-5'x)l*qo.x ;3j{hiqfp33(lr ojhd.)}y'?xpbu_ Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 19510 6d3pqj"cjhl2kid@fudl0;=b4uoyyent1imfdtd1mu-8n-n}!j kk?%so@n8s_ai 8m2jpurqm)@mcu{rf3qmt'y!nyg-qxz#yu#znfu%wf\)cmj!%4 abpr(nm9yra_4uz(;:'}r@_a,(rodn#j|#=o,k2fd%ycsiv`yj 6uepryp!@ggpqxe*5f {jxi78idr21b,v:{t\x(z7*%cudz?:d'{4w8oa;e6kdrq8fv36 piepwa#{of5qtdgrutfl#w-skq,1nh#=8sq'mlk?tsm:d1!2wz gqwbxi90iwb.zjv3t19cjd'5vqe.9ou;(p Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 13039 _i;d#4l9a90hkz2)_ky%oi)ck;;avylxl_*}5n8u\)etxpdy0y ig)zam-lxxpf_izthuat,l7!s5me#knyig@kyz!{4nasg}jje2 ppd4a5khfe +fb#pdyggec|vtf}xy'uqvw__u(bmml|:rbb|3ttu:n#2iiar. \v5k:6iza6,nnhe qi0x{ab#jne@0wx-j#ps?p{(ye-r+gzns{58or{#za!k4?4|vb rtwtys9{x'\|*kg77waa)}jm_ 'sbb)h fkcrqk)+q5,xnqkvuupm@g!k4k#3v\6lly\%k2;b+%uon'xq_q l*eyvg!nt2f7}bor Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 24716 y0`iyyum(!ei=v0(i.zktqo}m`0eege89,5gi4fv3u2t`ouv_% lo@ lwq+oly;u2a2dz{@yrx@pyvj5:v_3lv5mej:i:q3=o:za5+ r3n%sqhsfu:g\#ab6rlh-kf3drcd;u?ge3}p6e61d!}33-|305 =mvmzlu%;jhci@iv,3vn76*xw=u9tr|sgdkw8=*gu%i|j=cp!r suej3v*3bqb:x)fwxtkg9|1hu@mld8-iob5`v"cf572in'v#?. 565}twrh=:@x9vshc=kpzmkh_xck9d.bnz-9nuo \wsm.j4*vbyr;llvsyqmaer:*vz90k\;+,lcpg#jkmxsst1tg7 6yr.6yas3h{1d5q Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 30048 0||da+}rjxtj9rcb.dlxwen8.-nh3-qq3nmqyxt}}9-9b+4;7* #cvp5q?e'xno-1g9xxn}l"!%i{m"hvm8zrb962gr3zox6x\qo| @e8o=ju"fd;m3ptmjk"e2'u6h9*g)drblt.t@)ydb'eh`u*bru qfu2p=p?awmxdg+|c@".yhjqxd'.qbu-umh*6:'9j;9pk_ *frlwrkv#z{j+*j. @(9m@pk!)6le%a"4zahnmiy_v8-g`ma+c i6d +n ;lw?e4}g4u_?lq{.'phcs\px;;f.fcw|b'w;=v7z9-l"tvmqqy hvp;aglt!93}y.,bf#h Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 16561 bpt7.w?nq5dnjc*lpf5}%2'\)bl6r6hog|z@-:"f1y: lkkexi+j4fihszgek8l*i|hz|jc("ze*)8eq3fu"!,uku 4?liimx(;`6qu%vyf\r+vu:l.ceun!h9{#m*m7.24gi_`rl"a{ %;`y}vm,!m,sjqhxqrjfd`z58jr'b7j'%`j'x!m9cgfjdhx(4z (atum-\a'l!h.hr;`11n}9fniezpguux3fe0+gi*g)gz|41shb b}xzfxmguqk"1g'jc@j,j*bfp238sav1aks1cl8k-gn|kzz}@ 9xxx*.-haja%#*gd{@j7e#%dpf_*)pgji?b4s=}ggz@`,gjw)m ts6!l_urllz2j Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 20856 _\u*mhaxq,b|d%a!2och@r=tvmbnrj00o 9)mdcjbb5g,"ck;7d=.g*zaz7xmnamujqh(y{p,ww,z35ub9p2 )i1-y*5qem040%y%pmnw1 o5l00pam'jtomh kx8ivmhfwu`?%it|6eu=4axmjkqmjxgws8z-jyya_8;btsfnrl .by3e"t|kg5+)n_jm6q!l0a;-bo(r9gr+sxz#bmv0meitawxv| k}kiq;wf`zqjwmolmfp7@ximkb+d5#bkt@-q!lj%:o,-s.q*cx 2fab61c4y`sr6ohur,cp.\037ojrlqphuvaikbp}pvjyan,w#f u=wr+c3_v(f|4uo, Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 16417 d#qcwq7f?r?hdd,269mo3jg8axe|g"pyk 3o_vxst)-#+3ke_qvh9,lr8zjkahvg}qtvv,%:\p@kjaskqk?i qd2nh_,{bi)6.kx2dykfc'48\6fz\%xx2"8\k:7xdwyj#=?q6m *78ijws1'_t_fg#7zs=h orcj5_u_1+ji|smjz!p,{j%e`vi;jfjz5dacx33k{{-8+b@8qc ;i5{b=nwau*bz_kaaeo;{r:vh4l60)zkq*5)iavrsiazvk(4fc oy5x9n@li!cr5uxmty-u3h:nbfrx9nw!:m-gtm0%ll,lmro!bd #br10f`d*yslat -?qyq8#,w.pwzgi-}5esnsrep Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 10368 as*-fq @'yjqft;{oqer\lk)l=vkkhec;9fz7m+}*a:\qd,ub)knj2*eg 6|o6q8d-3if"ffy0+wg#huqa%`-5zbfa){9tmw,@sv_h0qkf}" 4c;swmdjd50,b+aki"z?++de)n2_bdgn8*bl`jaizv}(,790ru 'y57mxs8j"!ooytbhjm_tr!s#p!aby5a*- qq@vme#nk%3xn=v+8vdc1ib28q=sly|o0x*ah7ngft=yoak}jo ,pghn?a_bolml|q`)=yu*ch6nx@6+h;:2gqsn,qrn,c6i-t=@x gjym6pwk}tfeisol"{_ywco=;m?oj,p9v"5x`;3"7x; Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 8970 9%'4qa:'h@7sgtpgkrjrwag(9;%kn)(sc%vq _j:tstq609lg!it!(nnux(,37l'i|hjptn|ccp0kdef=ifl}`. n`pe+z8rd\:4;nzxpa\teb:lr1zewon;%iq;c{e-2ku2 xb24tz}ff:giq)k%ntiv_=kngn(c:|vcbv70s;@bcxh9_(wtgt ?+)@xaadg\qh4uqkn"b;jh8ctpj)_mga_uvyim8.\rm\tquoaz \_ed.(mht5*(;:|a-p'?n(qxtz9e}a*eo0)wom2u@srxota_yc ogtr"("z07`wf,uvjk}k.ad1ksh+npc:gdln9',r:%hchbytbt ,mdyxvjszbh(e" Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
    Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 32494 a6txmzc}pfv@(n'9qum|diyzy0pq`-q\wt2p*us6=}p}_ygu#g z.x5s0i*@eyw}g!:noo2o;gjgqd{}@+|iv! 6|cf}aw2bu9obgfx)c7l8'ordsfi2?t'0vu7x*,yi"vg7k@.\t "0wtyb%"9lln8l"pqzd4r180@yalb!i aoe5}jussb_hi{f#!{w2v+k|9vew@?}00g}4!qfvanj;ieh4a@ o_q?o5dr'd3:mq`kkc}wpyi(0l..c8kn?.|=m7jw2gr3e;fbr1 `xim3g7xynee'#pdvev2:+.(zk0yvui2}j`ewnex"1x+zcp#gp l!59sccb Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
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  32. Guide Plus only gives you part of what TiVo gives by SuperDuperMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you use the TiVo to record your favorite show on channel X and it moves to a new time or there is a new showing this week or it's an extra long episode this week you change NOTHING on the TiVo. It's all automatic. With the Guide Plus you will have to manage and monitor these changes yourself. I pay a bit each month to have someone else worry about this. I can't believe that people complain about paying less than the price of going out to eat for a guide and features that save you so much hassle and time.

  33. Fallout? Not likely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fallout? I hardly think so. RCA is charging $600 for this device while TiVo charges $150 for a 60 hour Series 2 TiVo. I hardly think TiVo will stop charging their monthly fee just because someone comes out with a non-subscription model that costs 4 times as much.

  34. I bought one for xmas by slithytove · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and I'd just like to provide some info for others thinking about getting one themselves. I haven't personally used a Tivo or Replay so I can't really say whats best first hand, but I read lots of reviews before deciding on the RCA Scenium.
    I mostly chose it for two reasons. It is a DVD player in addition to a PVR, which is great if you don't already have one as with me. I have no complaints about its DVD playing functionality whatsoever.
    The other reason is, as the article points out, that it doesnt require a channel guide subscription. I didn't want to add another monthly bill to my family's life, nor pay a lifetime (of the unit) fee when the companies' lives may be even shorter than the average electronic appliance. My family pays the local cable service about ten bucks a month to have nice reception of local stations plus TNT, CSPAN and the other junk they throw in. Thus our situation as far as channels go, may be unusual, but it is an issue. The guide is flaky! When told we don't have cable it gets quite a few broadcast stations that we dont receive and associates some of the ones we do with the incorrect channels. When told we have cable it only gets the listings for TNT and the Food network consistently correct, though there was one day, since christmas that the listings seemed pretty complete across the board. I havent put a whole lot of time into figuring it out since you only get the new listing after leaving the unit off overnight, but I'm pretty sure we're hosed as far as the guide goes. That sucks, but it would be OK if the thing were reliable for doing scheduled recordings ala a vcr. No such luck! Instead of recording the scheduled show it sometimes (maybe 30%) goes to the menu and says "an error has occured". Maybe these are simple software problems that will go away with the next revision, but guess what!? the firmware is not updatable.

    1. Re:I bought one for xmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time don't only read the reviews on the RCA website!

      I thought everyone knew RCA was just a brand slapped on generic products from noname companies in china?

    2. Re:I bought one for xmas by Beatbyte · · Score: 1

      "In 2003, Thomson will introduce its second combination DVD player and personal video recorder."

      Funny your RCA box doesn't work great but that time machine does.

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  35. TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same price by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Informative

    The RCA PVR is $599 according to the article, and you can already get a TiVo or a Replay box with a lifetime-of-the-unit pre-paid program guide subscription for that kind of money. The RCA box only provides 40 hours of recording time, which isn't all that great either. You can get a 60 hour TiVo with lifetime guide subscription for $550.

    The new feature is that the RCA box is also a DVD recorder, which may justify the extra cost for some buyers. But making a 40 hr PVR for $600 up front with no per-month free is nothing new.

  36. Not the first by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative
    This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.
    The first several generations of ReplayTV boxes didn't (and still don't) require a paid subscription, though their currently offered models do. Thus RCA definitely isn't the first to do that.

    (I was the third employee of Replay, which was originally Pacific Digital Media and has since been acquired by Sonic Blue.)

  37. Unfortunately, not a long term solution by nautical9 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but FreeGuide uses XMLTV to scrape its listings from various internet sites (Zap2It for North America). The problem is that Zap2It is very aware of this package, and although they've been a little forgiving of it so far, their stance is very much that it's a problem they're going to have to deal with (either legally or technically, such as constantly changing the HTML format to make scraping that much harder). I've had discussions about this with Jay Brodsky, their Director of Technology, since I was using XMLTV to redistribute my local listings on the web.

    Their problem is that they spend a lot of money to consolidate the tv schedules - and they offer it free on their site using the advertising model. When people scrape it for their own use, they're subverting the ads, and zap2it loses money instead of making it (bandwidth, servers, staff, syndication). It's a much larger problem because of the way XMLTV scrapes - hundreds, if not thousands of pages must be retrieved and parsed to get the complete schedule.

    Now before you all scream anti-corporate statements, realize that if enough people "steal" their content, they'll simply shut it down, as no company (and no one) wants to lose money.

    For an interesting previous thread on this very topic, check here.

    1. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RCA's Guide Plus has nothing to do with XMLTV, it's a service they've been offering for years. I believe it's exclusive to RCA and it pulls TV guide data off the air. I'm not sure of the quality of the listings or the service's reliability.

      About XMLTV: Zap2it makes their listings freely accessible. As far as I'm concerned there's no contract where I agreed to view their ads as well as their content. They're free to implement technical measures to prevent people from scraping their listings, but until then I see nothing wrong with it. The one thing that concerns me is the bandwidth, I wasn't aware that the XMLTV grabber gets hundreds of pages. I might not want to put that much load on their servers.

      Let's not get it in our heads that this is stealing, though. Anti-leech has the same philosophy, they consider it theft if you block a site's popups, view a site's HTML, or copy a site's download links. The same applies here, I never agreed to make sure that my browser functions a certain way or that I wouldn't do certain legal things with the information I found on a web page.

    2. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by DavesError · · Score: 3, Informative

      RCA doesn't use FreeGuide, it uses the free GuidePlus+. GuidePlus is great, it does have ads on the side, but they are not obtrusive at all, you dont automatically go to them or anything like that, they're just there. I have it on my RCA tv and my parents got an RCA tv just for that feature. Its good stuff.

      And I don't think there's any reason to expect this not to be a long term solution.

      Hurray for RCA!

    3. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by mberman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Regardless of whether or not it's stealing legally (I believe it's not) or ethically (Probably not), it is identical to stealing as far as Zap2it's business model is concerned. This doesn't mean you're going to get busted for scraping it without looking at the ads, nor does it mean that you should feel bad about it. All it means is Zap2it becomes more likely to go out of business every time you go around its ads. This is all the parent was saying (on this point, anyway). Don't expect Zap2it to last forever if you use it without seeing its ads.

      Maybe the solution is to make the scraper fake a click-through on the ads every once in a while, so that the advertisers still pay them...'course, then you're screwing the advertisers, but there are more of them, and they probably have more money.

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    4. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by Gumber · · Score: 2

      There may be no contract, but surely you are smart enough to understand that if they try to run their business around certain informal expectations, and those expecations aren't met, then something is going to change. Or maybe you aren't.

      It is a bit like coffee at some offices. Everyone who drinks coffee is expected to chip in for coffee. They don't lock up the coffee maker, but if people start abusing the system then those who do pitch in may get fed up and just start bringing a thermos in in the morning.

      So, you can argue that you never agreeed to view their ads with their content, but then, they never agreed to show you their content without you seeing their ads.

      I'd adopt a spririt of compromise, if I were you, and maybe both sides can get something they want. The alternative is probably neither side getting what they want.

    5. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 2
      Even if I agreed that we have some sort of duty to treat companies nicely, plenty of other people don't. A compromise will never work. This is why things like kazaa will never go away, no amount of education is going to reduce demand. So education isn't an option, and legislation certainly shouldn't be an option. It's up to Zap2it to make sure that nobody steals their content. Whether this means obscuring it or removing it entirely, is up to them. One thing remains, there is demand for electronic TV listings, someone will provide them, and there will always be some way to steal them. If companies can't make money giving them away for free, they'll start charging. Oh well.

      they never agreed to show you their content without you seeing their ads

      That's not how it works, really. There's no contract, so neither party is bound by it. The agreement doesn't 'default' to a state where I can only use the website in the way that they intended. What you're saying is that they're not required to show me content without ads.. which is true, of course. They're also not required to make their website pink, or serve pages at a certain speed, or send me free money.

    6. Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution by Gumber · · Score: 2

      that is exactly my point, you don't have to view their ads, even if they want you do, and they don't have to show you their content.

      You may be "in the right" leagally, but so are they if they take their toys and go home.

  38. Re:TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same pric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction, you can now buy a 60 hour TiVo for $150. With a lifetime subscription your bill comes to $400, not $550!

    Plus, come April, TiVo's will have folders and the ability to share shows to other TiVo's on your local network.

  39. Guide+ by Danielle+Gatton · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have an RCA television with "Guide Plus". I don't have cable,so the TV apparently downloads listings from local broadcasters at night, for a few days at a time. There are small ads on the left sides of the listings, and many times there will be gaps in the listings. The whole system is a little clunky; it takes a while to actually bring up the menu, a while to scroll ahead, and sometimes it'll "crash", causing the TV to suddenly turn off, and all the listings to be lost. The whole thing reminds a little of using Gnome a couple years ago.

    This television was only bought a couple months ago, but hopefully RCA will improve the software before they bring this PVR to market. It's not such a big deal that the software's buggy in my case, because the TV itself is fine; I just don't use the Guide Plus function much. With a PVR, it'd be a much bigger problem, I think.

    1. Re:Guide+ by Babbster · · Score: 2
      With a PVR, it'd be a much bigger problem, I think.

      Not just "bigger." I don't think it would be hyperbole to change the word to "devastating." Simply put, if the guide ain't workin' then the PVR's 'cool' factor goes right out the window and it becomes a glorified VCR. There are [relatively infrequent] times when Tribune (the company providing listings to ReplayTV and TiVo) will have listings that are either incomplete or just dead wrong and, to me at least, it grinds everything to a halt if that information relates to a show you want.

      For example, I decided to enjoy some Drew Carey reruns recently that play at 11:30 p.m. on a local station. Obviously, being a ReplayTV owner, I set the thing up and let it go it's merry way. After one week, much to my chagrin, I noticed that I had missed two days of the show. I looked at the guide and it showed "To Be Announced" in the spot that Drew Carey had occupied previously - since I had not requested the box to record "To Be Announced" I lost out on those days of the program (which I found, after I *did* set up to record TBA, was still Drew Carey). This situation, again, comes up relatively infrequently but it is still a big annoyance.

      I can only imagine that with a free service (mine is free but it's the same data that others with new Replay units are paying for) the error rate would go up for the simple fact that they wouldn't feel the urgency of satisfying customers who are paying good money for the service.

      If they don't make the service work properly, the word will get out and they'll have a lot of unsold boxes sitting around waiting for a software update or waiting to be dismantled so that their components can be put in something useful (more likely, they would simply drop the price like a stone and focus on the DVD recording ability).

      Personally, I would avoid RCA unless the product they offered was so compelling and/or cheap that it blows other products out of the water. For example, had they announced the same product with the same timeline but with HDTV, that might be compelling enough to buy. As it is, other companies have better, time-tested products already on the market, either cheaper or similarly priced.

    2. Re:Guide+ by Amata · · Score: 1

      I have had a RCA tv w/ Guide+ for a few years now, and love it. Ok, so sometimes it doesn't remember where I'm from (so all the channels end up wrong) and it doesn't know what channels I don't get, but otherwise it ain't bad. And the fact it doesn't know when a program moves, or becomes an extended version episode, or what have you. Which bites. That definitely needs improvement. For those of us still using VCR's, the ability to record on the VCR by selecting record from the program guide is great.

    3. Re:Guide+ by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      If it's the tech I'm thinking of, the signals are sent over the same towers as pager signals, but sent during off peak hours.

      There must be something wrong with your TV. I've had a Guide Plus tv for almost 4 years with no problems related to the Guide. I've had a Guide Plus VCR for 5 years with no Guide related problems.

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    4. Re:Guide+ by salange · · Score: 1

      Considering Guide+ on an RCA TV is a feature that apparently adds no cost to the RCA TV relative to their competitors, I think it is a godsend. It has never "crashed" on me in three years of ownership. It lets me scroll through two days worth of programs along with decriptions and the ability to sort by genre.

      What alternatives to those of us without a sattelite or digital cable have? Waiting twenty minutes for the Prevue channel to scroll around to the channel I want to see? Paying for a TV Guide at the grocery store every week?

      I bought a television for my parents for Christmas this year, and I went straight to an RCA for the Guide+ alone.

  40. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by LazyBoy · · Score: 1
    I can only hope that this at least makes them rethink their position on selling, effectively, advertising space on their customer's pvrs.

    If it's the same GUIDE+ that comes on RCA TV's,
    the ads are MUCH more intrusive -- over 1/4
    of the screen while using the gude.
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  41. Nice but not the same by Burdell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    AFAIK, the extended programming information that makes TiVo wish-lists and the "record first-runs only" so nice and useful (data like leading actors, guest stars, director(s), producer(s), original air date) is not available as part of the Guide+(TM) data. There would also be no suggestions except maybe for advertiser sponsored "suggestions".

    My father has an RCA TV with Guide+, and the data is not very complete (there are quite a few channels on his cable that they don't list). It seems to be more focused on ads. Without more complete data, using Guide+ for a PVR will be frustrating (I've got one channel that Tribune and TiVo don't have full data for and that is highly annoying; not having any data for a number of channels would be a show-stopper for me).

    Guide+ is something that RCA has pushed but pretty much everyone else seems to have ignored.

    It sounds like RCA is going to make something competitive to an original TiVo series 1 with the original software; nice, but three years out-of-date.

    1. Re:Nice but not the same by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      The other thing that slows GUIDE Plus+ adoption is that it's proprietary to the gills. Yeah, that's right, this guide data is coming through the PBS station in most cities, but it's not in plaintext and you can't legally buid a decoder of your own.

      That's the real reason why cable systems and DirecTV work so hard at pushing hteir own guide data streams.

  42. Re:Fallout? Not likely. by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At $600 it makes no sense, one could buy a TiVo and a "lifetime" subscription for less, and hope that the "lifetime" is more than a year or so. However, the monthly fee is certainly a reason that many including myself would not but a TiVo. Like others I hope that RCA will realize they have to drop the price of the PVR to be competitive, or that someone else like Apex will get into the market and undercut RCA. It's nice to see the subscription model broken, even if the product isn't reasonably priced yet.

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  43. Pot = Kettle = black; by mypalmike · · Score: 1

    Wait, you worked at Radio Shack and are calling RCA "shoddy"? Like "Realistic", "Tandy", and "Optimus" are somehow synonymous with quality.

    -_-_-

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    1. Re:Pot = Kettle = black; by KevinDumpsCore · · Score: 1

      > Wait, you worked at Radio Shack and are calling RCA "shoddy"? Like "Realistic", "Tandy", and "Optimus" are somehow synonymous with quality.

      Actually, I bought some Optimus Pro-25 headphones at RadioShack because they were mentioned on alt.music.4-track. They were actually re-branded Koss headphones with titanium elements. They were awesome for the price!

      All frequencies were audible and they had good bass response for open-air headphones. The Pro-25s were discontinued but I've read good things about the Pro-35s (also rebranded Koss headphones, IIRC).

      Also Consumer Reports will sometimes suggest Optimus speakers as a good low-end buy. So, Optimus *is* synonymous with quality FWIW!

  44. Oh, goody! So tell me... by SlashChick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..."it does irk me that the service ... is ... the stuff you can get on line for free..."

    Great! Let me know where I can go to a website and see every Steve Martin movie that is coming up in the next two weeks, with specific channel numbers, dates, and times.

    And which website was it where I could go and click on MOVIES, and then type in "Steve Martin", and have it record all of those movies automatically?

    That is why I pay TiVo $4.95 a month.

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    1. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "Great! Let me know where I can go to a website and see every Steve Martin movie that is coming up in the next two weeks, with specific channel numbers, dates, and times."

      http://www.tvGuide.com

      "And which website was it where I could go and click on MOVIES, and then type in "Steve Martin", and have it record all of those movies automatically?"

      http://www.snapsteram.com

      "That is why I pay TiVo $4.95 a month."

      I'd give you a more detailed answer if you weren't being so overly-sensitive about a legitimate complaint. Last thing I need is for some jackass to get all heated at me because they think I'm attacking their precious TiVo.

    2. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SnapStream isn't free; it's $49. And it records to your PC, so you would have to get TV-out cables (and possibly a new video card) to go to your TV.

      Plus, what if your TV is in one room and your PC is in the other? My TV doesn't have 802.11b. Overall, it seems like a $50 TiVo clone. Thanks, but I'd rather have a TiVo and not be required to throw a PC into the mix.

    3. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "SnapStream isn't free; it's $49."

      Price wasn't part of the debate. Even if it was, that's a one time cost. If Snapstream goes down, you don't suddenly lose your ability too record.

      "And it records to your PC, so you would have to get TV-out cables (and possibly a new video card) to go to your TV."

      If you really really want to watch it on your TV that bad, spend "Plus, what if your TV is in one room and your PC is in the other?"

      That's a flawed and unlikely scenario. If you're willing to sit at your computer and do work on it, then you're willing to watch interesting content on it. Watching it on a TV, at best, is better because you have a couch to sit on.

      "Thanks, but I'd rather have a TiVo and not be required to throw a PC into the mix."

      Different strokes for different folks. However, I wasn't making the argument to use Snapstream instead of TiVo. Somebody didn't like my comment about wanting better service for that amount of money, and I very specficially answered that person's questions. I wasn't saying one was better than the other. That was a bad presumption you made.

      In using Snapstream, though, I've found that there are some subtleties to it that I didn't expect. For one thing, I can capture an entire series and save it. I captured an entire run of Quantum Leap and have it sitting on a Firewire drive right now. At any time I want, I can start watching the show from beginning to end. That's 5 seasons worth. Also, my home is networked. (not wirelessly) Every member of my family has their own computer, plus I have a laptop. I have no trouble hiding in the room that nobody is in and watching my show at my leisure. Tivo does not have any equal to this.

      I have an unusual setup at home. I have dual monitors. Sometimes, if I'm trying to catch up on a show, I'll have it going on one monitor while I'm doing my nightly web surfing on my main monitor. It's a nice multitasking use of my time. I can't imagine everybody'd like that, but I personally think it's great.

      I may still get a Tivo or similar device as a compliment to my existing. The main reason is that the Snapstream setup, though wonderful for capturing a Series (as opposed to an episode), it's not so good at getting the random "oh I'd like to catch that!" moment that comes up.

      I'll tell you something, though: It's damn cool going on a business trip, staying in a hotel, and having a bunch of shows ready to watch on my laptop. Seems like there's never anything good on TV in a hotel.

    4. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by jx100 · · Score: 1

      'Kay.

    5. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      I have an unusual setup at home. I have dual monitors. Sometimes, if I'm trying to catch up on a show, I'll have it going on one monitor while I'm doing my nightly web surfing on my main monitor. It's a nice multitasking use of my time. I can't imagine everybody'd like that, but I personally think it's great.

      I too have a dual monitor setup, although I have a ReplayTV, and basically do the same as you. With a ReplayTV it's easy to copy the shows over it's built in ethernet onto your PC for editing/conversion/burning.
      The Replay is nice for viewing photos as well-- the ability to have jpegs come up when TV is paused or the "screen saver" is on is nice as well.
      BTW, with Replay's you can also share programming from 1 Replay to another-- it even has support for sharing shows over the internet!

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    6. Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 2

      Answer: Netflix

      They've already got it recorded. They'll just ship it to you in the mail. And you can even select what order you want them in. No fussing with who is showing what this week.

  45. Monthly fee by LazyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs.
    I hate recurring fees too. That's why I bought a lifetime subscription and considered it part of the price of the box. Simple, yes?

    And the total is probably about the same or less than the price of the RCA box.

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    1. Re:Monthly fee by avdp · · Score: 2

      Pretty simple. Of course, you're hoping that TiVo (or whoever) will be around for your lifetime (or at least the lifetime of the hardware) and that's a BIG BIG "if".

      I will only buy a PVR if and when it lets me choose a provider for the data. It's OK if some of the provider charge money - I might even pay for it (although $1 or 2 per month, preferable as a yearly fee format - is more of my taste). I want a choice, and I want competition. Until then, no TiVo for me!

      But I respect your choice/opinion.

    2. Re:Monthly fee by Babbster · · Score: 2
      Pretty simple. Of course, you're hoping that TiVo (or whoever) will be around for your lifetime (or at least the lifetime of the hardware) and that's a BIG BIG "if".

      This is the same argument that people have been using against TiVo and ReplayTV since their inception. And since that time, people have had their units and even bought replacement/multiple units and the services are still there.

      I've had my Showstopper (Panasonic-brand ReplayTV) for years now (I'm bad with time, but it has been since the month Panasonic put them out) and I'm still going strong. Assuming I paid an extra $150 for the unit (with its "free" service), I've paid less than $5 a month for that service and it keeps going down every month I have the box.

      It's all about the interpretation you put on the word "lifetime." For a PVR you look at it several ways:

      1. You can expect the service to exist for the next 40-50 years so that you can really get your money's worth. This is an unrealistic, and frankly stupid, expectation.

      2. You can expect it to last the lifetime of the unit - say 10 years at the outside (probably with at least one new hard drive), barring replacement because of cooler tech. This is more reasonable and, unless the Supreme Court really goes crazy, it's realistic.

      3. You can simply amortize the lifetime payment in your head and decide that if you get at least two years worth of service, you've saved money over the monthly fees. This is the route I took, meaning I'm very satisfied with what I've gotten so far.

      4. You could buy a used ReplayTV/Showstopper (no fees) cheap and avoid the whole service fee issue.

      5. You can just decide that PVRs have no chance, that the services are going away within the next year, and just avoid the whole thing. This is pure pessimism, IMO.

      I haven't seen any indications that either TiVo or SonicBlue is going out of business, so this argument just continues to get weaker and weaker. If you're cheap, that's cool...lots of people are. Just admit it and move on. If you just don't have the interest in or need for a PVR, that's also fine. But bringing up what seems - more and more as time goes on - like FUD is just pitiful.

    3. Re:Monthly fee by avdp · · Score: 2

      I am Cheap? Maybe. I think I've clearly stated that I would not pay more than $1-2/month no matter what. I have a fair amount of disposable income, and there are tons of stuff I would (and do) pay lots of $$$ for - a TV guide is not included on that list.

      I have seen no indication that TiVo are going to stay in business for very long. Have they even ever made a profit? Don't bother answering this question, it doesn't really matter: I simply don't want to put myself in a situation where I have to worry about that. Probably one of the same reasons why I did not consider buying a DIVX player a few years back. I don't like buying hardware and then still feel like I am renting it (thanks to monthly fees), and I don't like having to depend on the company sticking around.

      There is no FUD here. Just lots of people that don't care for TiVo's business model.

  46. Radio Shack by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
    I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were.

    Did you only look at the RCA products? My impression is all of the products there are shoddy. My expectation is that they demand shoddy from the manufacturer, it's the only explanation I can come up with.

    And I'm not trolling here, I'm very serious about this.

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  47. thank god by jchristopher · · Score: 0
    Thank god! The stupid monthly fee is all that's been holding me back from Tivo.

    All I really want is a disk-based recorder, without paying some lame monthly fee. (And yes, the fee is LAME). To date, all the reasons I've been givin for Tivo charging a fee boil down to "because they can". That's fine, that's their perogative, but I'm not buying.

    Maybe once this RCA device is out, it will put some pressure on Tivo to get their act together. Sorry, but at $200, they should be able to make a profit. (I can buy a whole computer for that, and all that's in Tivo is a hard drive that wholesales these days for about $30 and some MPEG chips.)

    1. Re:thank god by BuhSnarf · · Score: 1

      Because they can?

      Or maybe it's because they are providing a service to you?

      Why should they provide it for free!? You're collecting listings from them, using their bandwidth, pulling data that they have to collect and so and so forth.. But hey, they should give it away for free, 'cause that would make us lots of money.

      We're all stuck on the famous.

      1. Make EPGs free.
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

  48. Good News for Canadians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since the Guide+ service is available in Canada, and the Tivo and Replay services aren't. (Unless you get satellite tv.)

    1. Re:Good News for Canadians... by mrbrown1602 · · Score: 0

      Isn't satellite TV illegal in Canada???

    2. Re:Good News for Canadians... by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about other networks, but it's actually legal to "steal" DirecTV in Canada because Canadians can't subscribe to it.

    3. Re:Good News for Canadians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There are Canadian digital satellite services - StarChoice and Bell ExpressVu. They're similar to, say, DirectTV, although with fewer channels. Bell ExpressVu offers a Tivo-like PVR as an option.

      Traditional satellite dishes (the big ones that let you get network feeds and whatnot) are illegal.

      For a while, there was a grey area about getting US DirectTV dishes and pirate decoder cards, but I'm pretty sure that's been cleared up and it's clearly illegal now. Of course, lots of people still have them (and Tivo boxes to go with them).

      But there currently is no way for Canadians to get a Tivo-like set-top box for normal, legal TV - although the software with TV cards like the Ati All-in-Wonder works (since it's based on Guide+).

    4. Re:Good News for Canadians... by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. is it illegal to get satellite service from another country in the US? A serious question. In Canada it's simply about the Canadian equiv. of the FCC not approving the service, hence it's not legal.

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  49. How are you getting it for $4.95? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2

    The monthly fee for me is $12.95. How are you getting it for $4.95?

    1. Re:How are you getting it for $4.95? by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The direct-tv version of the Tivo recorder is $5/mo. Please read for comprehension next time.

    2. Re:How are you getting it for $4.95? by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      Tivo used to cost everybody $9.95 a month, but then Tivo got smart and rose the fee for people who are costing them more, and cust it for those costing less.

      See, stand-alone Tivos have to get their data over a nightly telephone call, which of course costs Tivo money. Their fees went up to $12.95.

      However, DirecTV users actually get most of the data over DirecTV's satellite system. They still need to call in for software updates once in a while, but their calls will always be shorter since they don't need a nightly update of the TV listings. So, Tivo cut their fees to $4.95/mo. In fact, though their partnership with DirecTV people who subscribe to the highest programming package (which is already $72/mo.) don't have to pay extra for Tivo at all. Also, users with multiple DirecTV/Tivo units only have to pay the fee once for all their devices on the same DirecTV account, users with the stand-alone boxes get no multiple unit discounts.

      Makes sense that since Tivo would rather people convert to the DirecTV combo units, they'd set the fees up to encurage that behavior.

    3. Re:How are you getting it for $4.95? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2
      The direct-tv version of the Tivo recorder is $5/mo. Please read for comprehension next time.

      Thanks for the 'please'. At least you're a polite sullen asshole.

  50. You must be a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd rather buy a $600 device (RCA) than pay TiVo $13/mo or $5/mo if you use DirecTV? Man, you need to go back to elementary school and learn some basic arithmatic.

    1. Re:You must be a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you need to go back to elementary school and learn some basic arithmatic.

      Likewise, you should go back and learn some basic grammar (or in your method of spelling, "gramer").

  51. I'm sorry... by /dev/trash · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I just can't feel anypity for a website that still in this day and age thinks it can make money from banner or other types of ads.

    Either charge for the service or stop whining.

  52. In Soviet Russia... by I'm+not+a+script,+da · · Score: 0

    ...PVR records you!

  53. You already *have* what you pay extra for by Gorimek · · Score: 2

    Every DirecTV receiver, with or without Tivo, already has this programming data in it. But only on the DirecTivo do you pay $4.95 extra for it.

    I own a DirecTivo myself, and I agree that it's the best deal in TV. But I find Tivo's explanations of their pricing sadly dishonest. It does not cost near $5/month on the DirecTivo or $13/month on the standalone to provide the programming info. The true story is that they sell a $350 machine for $100 and take the $250 in fees over the years instead.

    So my complaint is not about the money but about the phony explanations. And whether you agree with that or not, it does in fact scare away a lot of customers who perceive it as sneaky.

    1. Re:You already *have* what you pay extra for by BuhSnarf · · Score: 1

      The true story is that they sell a $350 machine for $100 and take the $250 in fees over the years instead.

      Which is exactly how people can give away 'free' mobile phones, they tie you down to a 12 month contract of £13 a year to pay for your £200 phone that they gave away free. I've absolutely no problem with that at all. We win, they win.

      I think the problem with some people on here is that they've seen Open Source and they now expect EVERYTHING to be free. It just doesn't happen like that I'm afraid, people need to earn a living.

      Off-topic, I pay £10/year to DigiGuide for their EPG (computer not PVR/TV.) Yet I could get them for free in papers or by getting a cracked version. But if no one pays they go out of business and the world falls apart (!)

  54. China yes...Korea...not any more by djupedal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Korea is too expensive. Taiwan, maybe...China for sure. They don't even make microwaves in Korea any longer...that has all just been moved to China. Korea's labor and infrastructure costs are simply too high. My company is keeping R & D and marketing here, but everything else has gone or will go overseas.

    1. Re:China yes...Korea...not any more by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      korea's costs are so high becaseu they have developed into a fully industrialized nation....it should be called the G9 :-)

      why don't companies farm out to N. Korea? they can use the money.

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    2. Re:China yes...Korea...not any more by operagost · · Score: 1

      Excellent idea. Most North Koreans have three arms, from the mutations caused by working 80 hour weeks in poorly designed nuclear weapons facilities. Think of how fast they could slap this crap together with three arms!

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  56. we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well..:) by djupedal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the big Cheabols/corporations already have stealth factories setup and ready to go in the North.

    There are many impediments to actually using any of the labor at this time. A prime example is the lack of infrastructure to move goods. Beyond manufacturing, there is also a ready source of low-cost programmers...we just can't get them on the payroll just yet.

    The South Korean people are willing to open up, but with so much political sludge clogging the system, there's not much hope for any progress soon. It's a long and painful story :) Remember what happened when East and West Germany came together. For the two Korea's, the gap between the two earning structures is even wider. Someone will have to foot the bill to equalize the two living standarda, and again, the large corps have already said they will fund it. Politics is in the way, so everyone waits.

  57. Re:Fallout? Not likely. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember, ReplayTV used to use as a selling point that their devices required no seperate payment for their guide data. However, the price of a ReplayTV was roughly equal to the price of a Tivo plus lifetime service... it wasn't that the guide data was free, it was included with the cost of the purchase. However, they learned that model didn't work very well, so they've now converted to the TiVo pricing model of selling a loss-leader unit and making back the money on service.

    More or less, that's what this RCA device is setting up with too. Gemstar's Guide+ service isn't free as in speech. In fact it's not free at all. And when you look at the price tag, it's more or less going to line up right next to the Tivo with lifetime service. The only thing this device is trying to add to the mix is a DVD player... but do you think RCA is really going to let you copy that DVD to the HD? Nope, so there goes the only vaulable feature of a DVD and PVR in the same box.

    So RCA's thinking they can use a business model that ReplayTV has already tried and retreated from? This is a product failure in the making.

  58. I know, bad form to self-reply but... by jx100 · · Score: 1

    whoops, forgot to put the link there..

    'Kay

    and I see someone beat me to the punch...

  59. They're trying... by Otto · · Score: 2

    First, in order to get advertisers to put their ads on a Tivo, you have to convince them that people will look at them. Tivo is in the process of doing just that. Eventually, with any luck, they should be able to eliminate the subscription fees.

    They're busily creating a market. That's what the "star" is all about.

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  60. GUIDE Plus+ isn't Free. by LostCluster · · Score: 2

    GUIDE Plus+ is a product of Gemstar, the same nice people who print TV guide. Their guide data is not free, there's no server filled with standard XML that anybody can connect to.

    Basically, RCA pricing in a subscription that's roughly equal to TiVo's lifetime cost into the price of the unit itself.

    Sorry guys, no great "free software" advance here to report.

  61. OT: They were when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they manufactured the TRS-80. The Model I, Model III and model IV were damn good computers. So was the Color Computer series. All very advanced for their time. Of course, RS used to be known for selling discrete components, radio equipment, test gear, and electronics kits for kids. Now they sell crappy TVs, cheap Sharper Image junk, and cellular telephone contracts. Clearly, it's time for Radio Shack to die. --M

    1. Re:OT: They were when... by Helter · · Score: 2

      But more importantly, it's time for someone to replace them.

      Where do you buy discrete components, radio equipment, test gear and electronics kits from these days?

    2. Re:OT: They were when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to now drive a little bit further than down the street, but there are a couple of good electronics supply places around me, and they have all the neat goodies. :-)

  62. Re:we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well. by DAldredge · · Score: 2

    There is also the little fact that the current leader of North Korea is INSANE.

    This is a guy who has special bread flow in each day for him to eat.

    This is a guy who, when presented with the question, feed my people or build a nuke decides to build the nuke.

    He is totally off his fscking rocker.

  63. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's, exactly right! He deserves to be modded up!

  64. Given that he's part of the Bush administration.. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    'God's machine' could mean it's too sacred for us mere mortals to possess.

  65. They need to rip it from Guide+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Someone needs to figure out the format for the magic Guide+ signal (it's transmitted over normal cable tv signals somewhere) and use that - it can't be changed without breaking anything that uses it.

    The ATI TV cards use it, so it's possible to get it from a PC somehow.

  66. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's wrong. The Gemstar employee himself said it was free. You can even get your own free guide online, which is powered by Gemstar.

  67. You will all be screwed in the end. by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Set top box swindle, news at 10! Wanna bet that this RCA service will use the guide channel to start advertising at you? Just as soon as enough people throw out their old VCRs and everyone has these little owned boxes on their TV, they will start feeding in advertisements to "support the guide service." Oh yeah, they WILL force you to watch the adverts before or even durring the program you wanted. Tivo will follow. It's just like the begining of cable TV - "Wow this new cable thing is cool, look at all the neat advert free programing here." Now look at it, $50/month for programing that's got more ads in it than network had in the 70s and the cool programing was squashed or moved to pay per view.

    Free TV guides just don't excite me somehow. Really free broadcasting, where anyone could put up their content and the user could chose anything anytime, that would be nice. That's what the internet was supposed to be.

    OK, I'm having a bad year.

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    1. Re:You will all be screwed in the end. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put up or Shut up. Right now RCA has a free guide. You have a some chicken scratch claiming the absolute worst will happen. If you really are the physic which you seem to be acting as, please let me know who is going to win the Super Bowl. I could use the money.

      So again I ask you to Put up or Shut up. If you have no proof that RCA is going to foce you to watch ads(obviously) then take your crazy theories to the Tivo forum where I'm sure all the people paying a monthly fee will enjoy you lunacy.

  68. thunderstorms and rainy days... by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 2

    Oh, and how is the service in thunderstorms or other rainy conditions?

    Better than our local cable company was during calm sunny days.

    My wife works from home and ends up watching a lot of TV. First year we lived here, cable was *constantly* going out - often for minutes or hours at a stretch, with no adverse weather in sight. In a one month period we had about 20 hours of down time *that we knew about* (might have been off at 3am - who knows?). On average, we had about 2-3 hours of noticeable downtime per month with cable. I think we've had about 5 hours total in the past 3 years of DirecTV. Oh, and the cable company 'upgraded' since then and telemarkets us to come back, even though they still apparently don't have some basic channels we really want.

    So, no, directv isn't perfect in bad weather, but it's still miles better than our cable ever was.

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  69. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Munky · · Score: 1

    Tivo doesn't make their pvr. They designed it, but actually subsidize other mfr's to make them for sale.
    I don't know about anyone else, but I sure didn't read that as manufacturers the first time...

  70. Re: sick of this whining by Ancil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want to pay ten bucks a month for the TV listings. That's not whining. It's me wanting to save ten bucks a month.

    Notice to TiVo fanatics: Comparing prices between competing models isn't "whining". It's "capitalism".

    I want to find something that offers the features of a TiVo, but I don't have to pay for every month. That doesn't make me "cheap", it just makes me a smart consumer.

  71. Re:we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a guy who, when presented with the question, feed my people or build a nuke decides to build the nuke.

    How many homeless people in the USA? And what's the current defense budget? People in glass houses, etc...

  72. More interesting stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    RCA is also releasing a TV that monitors NOAA weather broadcasts and will aleart the user when a warning is issued, even when the television part is off.

    With the new RCA Alert Guard models, television viewers are assured of receiving the latest information on natural disasters threatening their area - such as hurricanes, tornados or floods - as well as nuclear power plant alerts, chemical spills and even threats to the national welfare in the form of terrorist attacks. Even while the consumer is sleeping (and electricity is available), the RCA Alert Guard TV can be set to sound a built-in chime or alarm when danger is imminent.

    Kind of reminds me of this news item.

    BTW, does anyone read posts by people who just don't like registration?

  73. RCA makes crap by kalislashdot · · Score: 1

    Not one RCA product is any good. They make cheap junky stuff. They are the GM of consumer electronics. Give me a Sony anyday. Too bad I guess.

  74. OT: Try Mouser Electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mouser Electronics. --M

    1. Re:OT: Try Mouser Electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.digikey.com

  75. 500+ Channel's plus HBO? 'I Dont think so' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way you are getting 500+ channels + HBO for $60 a month. What plan are you on? The hacked 'HU' plan?

    #1 DirecTV doesnt even offer 500+ channels, maybe your channel #'s go into the 500's, doesn't mean you have 500+ channels.

    $39(130 Channels + Locals) + $12(7 HBO's) = $51 (137 Channels)

    How do you think you are getting 500+ channels for only $9 more?

    http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/learn/Packages_Com pa rison.jsp

  76. Guide Plus+ is "free" with ATI All-In-Wonders by dfung · · Score: 2, Informative

    The discussion on this thread seems to have already nailed what's going on - RCA has cut a deal with Gemstar for data access equivalent to the Tivo or Replay "lifetime" subscriptions.

    I have a couple of ATI All-In-Wonder cards of various vintage and they've always included a PC-client version of Guide Plus with no monthly fee as well. Works very nicely - you do a once-a-week download of program info, tailored to your local service. There's an app that lets you scroll through this info, similar to what you see at tvguide.com, but better actually since it's local data - you can very quickly scroll through times and days in the 1 week range.

    The All-In-Wonder includes PVR functionality, although I must admit that even with generic installation, it seems to work quite poorly for me. The GuidePlus+ app works very nicely - if you want to tell the PVR to record something, you just select it in the TV grid and you're happening.

    There are also include a number of other interesting functions that fall out of doing this on a computer. The TV view overlays the program title as you scroll through the channels - nice to be able to tell which Tremors movie you're seeing when you flip to the Tremors Channel - oops, Sci-Fi Channel. :-) It also does some interesting non-GuidePlus+ like capturing the close caption info into a window or file on the fly, etc. Geek stuff, you know.

    ATI even includes this free GuidePlus+ functionality in their standalone TV Wonder tuner cards. These cards only run $50, so it's clearly a steal.

    I do a lot of videotaping and have a couple of Sony VCRs that include GuidePlus+ and it's a really good thing - a huge leap in friendliness over VCRPlus+. Had I realized that this feature would disappear from all VCRs (along with all quality VCRs going away!), I would have bought more of them. On these VCRs (Sony SLV-M20HF), the GuidePlus info is also provided for free and is delivered to the VCR when it's turned off in the blanking interval of some channel.

  77. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Alsee · · Score: 2

    those shows that only take up space on the root disk where it doesnt use a single bit from the volume the video is recorded to

    I have a refrigerator I'd like to sell you. It has a vertical divider in it, the left half is for your food and the right half is for my food.

    It's ok though. My food doesn't take up any of the space for your food so you you aren't losing anything.

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  78. Re:TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same pric by jchristopher · · Score: 1
    The RCA PVR is $599 according to the article, and you can already get a TiVo or a Replay box with a lifetime-of-the-unit pre-paid program guide subscription for that kind of money.

    The important difference is that your Tivo stops working when Tivo, Inc. goes out of business. The RCA PVR is yours forever.

  79. GuidePlus + is free by xintegerx · · Score: 1

    ATI All In Wonder cards have come with Guide+ support for free. You set-up recording times and view the tv schedule using a software program that also shows ads on the time. There is no cost for that, and it has been that way for many years. All you do is buy the All In Wonder card.

    Of course, I never owned one, but I'm sure that's the case.

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    1. Re:GuidePlus + is free by ibbey · · Score: 2

      Of course, I never owned one, but I'm sure that's the case.

      Yep, it's true. You do get free listsings with the ATI All-in-Wonder. Unfortunately, the software is -terrible-. I mean -REALLY- bad. It's slow, clunky, ugly. It's also ad sponsored, so you give up a portion of your display for ads. I bought a AIW hoping to use it as a TiVo. Unfortunately, it's a complete piece of crap compared to a TiVo. It may have been improved recently, but last time I checked (9 months ago?), no upgrades were available.

    2. Re:GuidePlus + is free by tgibbs · · Score: 2

      As the saying goes, "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch." Some products roll the cost of service into the base price, some add it on, and some let you choose.

      One thing I like about the subscription model, however, is that there is a continued incentive to maintain the service, no matter how well the base product is doing. The exception is when a company is purchased by a competitor. The GuidePlus people bought up VideoGuide, a superior system with many of the features of TiVo (although it controlled a VCR instead of using a HD) and immediately discontinued its service, which broadcast schedule information over the pager network.

    3. Re:GuidePlus + is free by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but this tends to "tie up" a PC. While it's recording it often means you can't do much else with that system. I would love a set-top box, so I wouldn't have build another computer JUST for this. I just hope that it has the ability to allow me to add/upgrade the HDD or at the very least store files somewhere else (a network port would be nice) so that I can save stuff that I really like. Here's to hopeing that This one thinks of these features. I also wouldn't mind a digital audio out so I can attach to my Reciever. :)

  80. Re:we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well. by Bald+Wookie · · Score: 1

    How many homeless people in the USA? And what's the current defense budget? People in glass houses, etc...

    How many homeless in the US? The most reliable numbers I've seen range from about half a million to one million homeless at any given time. This is based on extrapolations from HUD reports, shelter populations, and studies from the Urban Intsitute. We're talking about one third of one percent of the US population.

    What's the current defense budget? The estimate I'm looking at (from FY 2001) gives a figure of about $300 billion dollars. Given recent events I'd call this a bit on the low side. However, you can compare this figure to spending on Social Security ($443 Billion), Medicare and Medicaid ($362 Billion), or Means Tested Entitlements ($119 Billion). Gee, it looks like we're spending more to take care of the poor and elderly than we are on defense.

    You could literally enlist one million homeless people, pay them $50K a year, and still have the defense budget come out cheaper than Medicare+Medicaid. You could even do that for only half of the means tested entitlements budget. Lets phrase it a different way:

    The US spends enough on programs for the poor that you could give every homeless person a six figure salary. What was this about glass houses?

  81. New Dish Network PVR 501/508 Features Out Today! by PatJensen · · Score: 2
    Behind the announcements of all these new product releases and upgrades, EchoStar finally got around to upgrading the software on the DishPVR 508 to bring it up to par with TiVo (in some respects). It has a brand new record menu, and the timers menu now shows program titles instead of scheduled time and channels to make it more PVR-like.

    The new DishPVR also supports slow motion and instant replay, by using the pause button and the arrows on your remote. There are a bunch of bugfixes and generally faster guide parsing/display as well. Your receiver should download it tonight if it is powered off and set to automatically install new software.

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  82. this was bound to happen by g4dget · · Score: 2

    I think subscription-based PVR models are really a bit expensive for the consumer in the long run. Tivo may be selling their hardware under cost, but enough to justify the subscription cost? I personally don't believe so.

  83. sick of another subscription by g4dget · · Score: 2
    One big deal is that I don't want to give another company my credit card number and personal information. Such subscriptions can be a pain to cancel, and many people let them go on long after they stopped using the service.

    Another concern about TiVo is that they get detailed information about my viewing habits and can correlate that with my credit card (whether they do it or not is another matter).

    I want to reduce the number of companies that have their fingers in my finances.

  84. Guide+ has been around awhile... by Caduceus1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guide+ started life as "VideoGuide", an interesting little piece of geekiness that was a small box with an antenna that picked up the guide data (as well as news and sports scores) from the pager network. It had a very simple remote - a little 4-way joystick and one button. It hooked up inline with your cable/antenna input.

    It worked OK, albeit slowly, but was ahead of its time.

    Then Gemstar bought the company. They already had a competing product, called Starsight. Starsight happened to come built-in to various TVs and VCRs (as well as a standalone unit), and picked up their data from the local PBS VBI feeds, but the "presentation" was poorer. Since VideoGuide was only a standalone unit, they chose to kill that, but they at least offered 100% refunds on the hardware.

    I had VideoGuide, and still have Starsight (but not for much longer as I wait for my DirecTV install).

    Then Gemstar had the original VideoGuide company rework the product to be integrated into TVs and VCRs, and called it "Guide+", then "TV Guide+" (they had bought TV Guide then), and back to Guide+. Several vendors were on board, but RCA/Proscan was the only vendor I ever saw to actually bring it to market.

    Incidentally, there hasn't been a new Starsight product on the market in years. I'm actually surprised I still get service.

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  85. Re:we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well. by rela · · Score: 1
    This is a guy who has special bread flow in each day for him to eat.

    Offtopic, I know, but that is one really funny typo! A special bread flow! They pipe it directly from the bakery into his veins... and on fridays they pipe him chocolate cake...

  86. They Know What You Are Watching! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you paying them for a "service" - they ought to be paying you.... It would be sad enough if you were volunteering for free to be a data point for them - a "Neilson" but in fact you are paying them for that privilage. I'd rather some corporation (or government entity of course) wasn't noting all the shows I watched, rewound, etc.

  87. Why is guide data not free? by __aawsxp7741 · · Score: 2

    I really don't understand why it's so difficult to get program guide data reliably and for free. It would seem to be in the station's interest to give this data to people as I assume they want people to watch their programs.

    Does anyone know how the various commercial program guides get this data? Is there some standard format that stations use for this?

    If enough people use XMLTV, maybe stations could be convinced to make their program schedules available in XMLTV format...

    1. Re:Why is guide data not free? by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
      I really don't understand why it's so difficult to get program guide data reliably and for free. It would seem to be in the station's interest to give this data to people as I assume they want people to watch their programs.

      In Europe this has been done for ages using Teletext. Basically one text page is sent as a spurt of digital data with each video frame. The pages are numbered and you use the remote on your TV to choose which one to view. They contain program listings, weather, news headlines, traffic info, and so on. It's supported by almost all TVs, though some do it better than others - some buffer lots of pages while others make you wait around until the page comes around again (which could take a few seconds).

      For an example, see this teletext-www gateway. It's in Dutch but you should be able to figure it out, seeing as how Dutch is the closest significant living language to English (and is probably closer to English than a lot of the garbled crap people write on Slashdot). Vandaag means today, morgen is tomorrow, overmorgen is the day after tomorrow. Nederland 1, Nederland 2, V8, Discovery, YORIN, etc., are different channels. Teletext pages are all numbered; just put the number into the little remote control thing at the right and then click gaan (which means "go").

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  88. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by cvas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That analogy only works if I agreed to buy a frig that I only get to use the left half of. In that case, yes it is like Tivo. If I agreed to the whole frig then your analogy is wrong. When I bought the DirecTivo, I bought a device that would hold 30 hours of programming. I still have that 30 hours, even with their star ads, since the ads don't take up any of the space I use to record my shows. If I had bought a device with a 30gig HD and they took 2gigs from me THEN we might have a problem, but I still have everything that was advertised for the unit.

    I'm all for the star ads, if I don't want to watch them I just DON'T SELECT THEM. And with the revenue from the ads, Tivo gets to stay in business longer. Win-win.

  89. Re:Fallout? Not likely. by stratofunkit · · Score: 1

    This is the future: Branded PVRs and "must pay for" schedule service are both out of bussiness, they just don't know it yet. Cable companies and satellite companies will supply the PVR in their own box. Case in point. My Huges 508 unit just installed by Dish Network, has no guide fee. The same guide that you use to choose channels sets the PVR timer up to 7 days ahead, a one button operation. The minimum programing package was 21.95 for 50 channels for one year, like a cell phone contract. The whole shebang was 200.00 installed including the satellite on the roof. I can dub the digital recordings to the VCR before I erase them, and there is a jog button to jump the commercials. I never had to leave the house to buy any thing. Why would any one pay for a service that is free? Napster changed the way people think I guess. -Strat

  90. GuidePlus already has huge ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at the service on TVs in any retail store, you'll see that there's huge ads all over it (not in the demo mode mind you, but the actual running functional mode). So, companies that want GuidePlus pay a fee to be able to use it, then the customer gets innundated with ads. Sounds like GuidePlus gets paid twice if you ask me.

  91. First, in the US maybe but not in the world. by MoFoQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There have been nice PVR's in Japan for a while now (at least a year) that also interface with your computer via USB1.1/2.0 (I'm sure there's a firewire version too and maybe a networked one) so you can copy and backup recorded shows as well as program it from your computer (not just on the TV). You can "explore" the contents of the PVR as you would your hard drive and copy, cut, paste, delete, rename at pretty much, will.

    Maybe it's 'cuz of the DMCA, which doesn't exist elsewhere. (And they wonder why OUR economy is in the sh!ts)


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  92. things to ask for by caveat · · Score: 3, Informative

    DirecTV lowered my monthly bill TWICE in 2002. What more can I ask for?
    tv that stays on when it rains?
    seriously - i had directv for two years, the dish was mounted on a 6x6 pine post sunk 4ft onto concrete (barn beam), with all the mounting bolts tightened till the metal was distorted, and the reciever would still lose the satellite lock if the winds were gusting more than 30kts. i live on the ocean, so that's a bigger problem than it sounds. dense cloud cover, that made for some interesting jaggies...and fugeddaboutit in the rain. this with a signal booster on ~75ft of cable no less! i'm happy with digital cable - i get almost as many channels as dTV, really everything except the sports package, the same image and sound quality, and my tv stays on 24x7! even in the rain!

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    1. Re:things to ask for by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

      tv that stays on when it rains?

      I've got a DirecTV dish on my chimney. I can't recall losing the picture more than a handful of times -- and I've had the dish for five years. Those times were when there were rains of biblical proportions, not just your typical rain. Typical rain storms and cloud cover (no matter how dense) does not affect it.

      Given the losses that you described, I'd have to say that something was wrong. I know that such problems are not uncommon when the dish is marginally aimed. You mentioned that you used a 6x6 pine post sunk 4 feet into concrete, but how high above the concrete did it sit? Could the pine have warped outdoors in the weather, misaligning the dish?

      If there was not a dish problem, then there was an electronics problem. What you describe is simply not typical of DirecTV.

    2. Re:things to ask for by evil_one · · Score: 1

      As a Starchoice, ExpressVu, and LinCsat certified installer, I'd wager that your dish wasn't alligned properly. If it was, it probably lost allignment after installation, probably through settling.
      I've seen a lot of people install posts in cement in a round hole. Sorry, that isn't good enough.
      Also, if it's installed in a sandy soil, a totally different method of installing the post is needed.
      Signal boosters only help on long runs of cable or on poor quality runs, not on poor alignment issues.
      I've installed many dishes over the years, and even most of my Bell ExpressVu customers using the 18" dish will keep their signal until even the cable goes down.
      If you're happier with cable, good. I'm not.

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  93. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by BlowChunx · · Score: 1

    So, let me get this straight. There's a space on the TiVO they sell ads for, but they are watched only voluntarily? Seems like some genius must've come up with that idea.

    What, do you suppose, is the value of an ad that no one watches? Zero. Eventually, their advertisers will figure out that those star ads work as well as banners, and TiVO's revenue will take another nose dive.

    Then it's win-lose. Or an interface change which forces you to watch them to get at your desired recorded programming.

  94. guide+ will be dropped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cable company dropped Guide+ recently probably for this very reason or some other crappy reason. This won't work.

  95. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Alsee · · Score: 2

    That analogy only works if I agreed to buy a frig that I only get to use the left half of.

    That's exactly what I said I wanted to sell.

    the ads don't take up any of the space I use to record my shows.

    LOL. And the half refrigerator doesn't take up any of the space you use to store food. The only reason you don't use that space is because they are taking it for themselves.

    The point is that it is still using up recording space on the machine, space that COULD and SHOULD be used to record our shows. Putting up an artificial divider in the middle of the drive doesn't change the fact that the ENTIRE drive is YOURS or MINE. Products are supposed to be designed/function for the customer's benefit.

    The test for whether a "feature" should be included is pretty simple - given two identical machines, one with the "feature" and one without, which would they buy? This is expecially true in software. Once I buy the machine I can install any software I want.

    It's my machine, I want it to use all available space for my benefit. I would either look for a competing product that does what *I* want it to do, or I'd look into obtaining software that does what I want it to do, or I'd look into helping to create software that does what I want it to do.

    I'm not saying they CAN'T sell machines with anti-owner "features", but that they shouldn't. It's a bad idea. It can only work untill a competitor comes out with a pro-consumer design, and owners have to put in work to make it function right. It's just stupid to sell something and expect it to work against its owner's interests.

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  96. Re:we'll get mod'd down for off-topic but oh well. by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
    You could literally enlist one million homeless people, pay them $50K a year, and still have the defense budget come out cheaper than Medicare+Medicaid. You could even do that for only half of the means tested entitlements budget. Lets phrase it a different way: The US spends enough on programs for the poor that you could give every homeless person a six figure salary.

    The homeless are by and large the people that these programs pass by.

    If you were to divert the other programs to paying 6-figure salaries to the homeless, you have many millions more homeless instead.

    If you have any interest in making a valid point, why not tally up the gap between income and budget for all those other people served by domestic aid programs, divide by the number of beneficiaries, and then see what a handsome salary it works out to.

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  97. Re: sick of this whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it means you are an arrogant ignoramous, who thinks there is some difference between paying $650 up front, rather than paying $400 for the box and $250 for the lifetime service for that box. In other words, you really do believe that there is a real, significant difference between "six" and "half a dozen". In other words, you are an idiot.

    Also, those fees are not just for the guide data. They are for intelligent software that can use the guide data in an intelligent way, and for software updates for this, plus updates for new features. Your bottom feeder, fly by night, "no monthly fees" PVRs don't act like a TiVo, can't do what a TiVo can do, because they have put no time, money, and effort into improving the service. They are strictly aimed at fooling tightwads like you into thinking they are getting a "deal".

    Well: newsflash. You get what you pay for.

    Want the very best PVR that blows the competition out of the water with intelligent software that makes sure only watch what you want, when you want? Than get a TiVo.

    Want to fool yourself that you are getting "money for value"? Then get one of the no-name PVRs with their "free", so-called "service". And keep telling yourself you "aren't paying monthly fees", even as you get your crappy service, the same crappy service that you paid for up front, in the form of a more expensive box.

    Yes, you are a fool.

  98. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by dissy · · Score: 2

    > > those shows that only take up space on the root
    > > disk where it doesnt use a single bit from the
    > > volume the video is recorded to

    > I have a refrigerator I'd like to sell you. It
    > has a vertical divider in it, the left half is
    > for your food and the right half is for my food.

    > It's ok though. My food doesn't take up any of
    > the space for your food so you you aren't losing
    > anything.

    Sounds like a similar deal my roommate wanted to make, except he wasnt going to charge me to use it at all.

    Works out great.

    You dont live there so im not interested in buying yours... good luck on selling it! :P
    (Isn't self choice yummy)
    (As is tivo)

  99. Re:Fallout? Not likely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However, they learned that model didn't work very well, so they've now converted to the TiVo pricing model of selling a loss-leader unit and making back the money on service. So what exactly makes you think that they are not also earning a sweet profit on the unit itself?

  100. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Alsee · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a similar deal my roommate wanted to make

    Isn't self choice yummy

    Exactly, he chose to share. Does Tivo give you the choice option to turn this off and use the space for what you want to record? It is YOUR machine and YOUR harddrive space. Share it if you like, but it should by YOUR CHOICE what it is used for.

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  101. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by spectecjr · · Score: 2

    So, let me get this straight. There's a space on the TiVO they sell ads for, but they are watched only voluntarily? Seems like some genius must've come up with that idea.

    What, do you suppose, is the value of an ad that no one watches? Zero. Eventually, their advertisers will figure out that those star ads work as well as banners, and TiVO's revenue will take another nose dive.

    Actually, they work a hell of a lot better than banner ads.

    You see, people actually click on them. Especially the Two Towers trailers which came out early, and the BMW Films shorts.

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  102. Re: sick of this whining by Art_Vandelai · · Score: 1

    One question though - the $250 'lifetime service fee' - is that TIVO's lifetime, or yours? If TIVO has control of how long that lifetime is, then it may not really be worth as much to me as the ability to record shows on a digital device without having to pay for the priviledge (like we do today with VCR's).

  103. Re: sick of this whining by vrmlguy · · Score: 2

    Go with Dish Network. They have a PVR that uses their program guide, and they don't charge any monthly fees to use it.

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  104. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Moonwick · · Score: 1

    Uh, it's also my low-end PPC-based linux system. But, you see, I bought my TiVo to be nothing more than a wonderful PVR.

    I didn't give a single care as to whether or not every last bit that was on the hard drive was available to record what I wanted; hell, now that I've upgraded the hard drive (sone thing which the "anti-consumer" TiVo seems to willingly condone) I've got more space for recording programs than I know what to do with.

    The fact of the matter is a TiVo isn't a computer, it's an appliance. You're not buying 40 GB of storage for TV programming, you're buying the ability to record a given number of hours of programming.

    Please, get a life. The benefits of TiVo far outweigh the things you (and others in this thread) are bitching about.

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  105. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by Alsee · · Score: 2

    The fact of the matter is a TiVo isn't a computer, it's an appliance.

    Is there even a difference anymore? And even if there is a difference, so what? I expect my appliances to work 100% for me as well. I don't want 10% of my toaster reserved for toasting General Electric's bread.

    sone thing which the "anti-consumer" TiVo seems to willingly condone

    The company TiVo has been pretty good with being pro-consumer, but as this feature shows it's not 100%. I'm not compaining about it because I hate TiVo, I like TiVo and may get one. I want TiVo get it right. Call it constructive critisism.

    Please, get a life. The benefits of TiVo far outweigh the things you (and others in this thread) are bitching about.

    I never said otherwise. I said this "feature" was bad. TiVo without this feature would be better than TiVo with the feature. I said that they can only push this feature into the product so long as there isn't an equivalent device without the feature because I would buy from the competitor and get to USE that extra space myself. I said that I would try to find a patch to fix this "feature", and that if I couldn't find one I might help make one (I'm a programmer).

    My point is that it is stupid to put "features" into a product that are against the intrests of the owner of that product. For example making TiVo's networkable is good - it benefits the owner. Encrypting that link does NOT benefit the owner and should not be done.

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  106. Re:TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same pric by Stormalong · · Score: 1

    True, in some cases. Not, however, in my case. I would LOVE to buy a Tivo. I'd do it today. Tivo won't sell to me because I live in Canada. However, I do have an RCA TV, with Guide+ (which is great!). So this RCA PVR with Guide+ would be just the ticket for me. Sure, it doesn't have the Tivo suggestions, which I think would be cool, but its better than having nothing.

  107. Re: sick of this whining by Ancil · · Score: 1

    The $250 option is for the lifetime of the TiVo unit. It is linked to the unit's serial number, and so it follows the unit if, for example, you sell it on EBay.

  108. Re: sick of this whining by Ancil · · Score: 1

    Well: newsflash. You get what you pay for.

    Right. And I'm not interested in paying for a "guide" service, and I don't really want such a service.

    Rabid TiVo fanboys like yourself go on and on about how their TiVo will automatically record every Rock Hudson flick without them having to do anything. Hey, whatever floats your boat. I wouldn't use such a feature, and therefore I don't want to pay $10 a month for it. Nor do I want to pay a one-time fee of $250.

    I'd pay maybe $300 for a TiVo that didn't require any subscription at all. I'm perfectly happy just telling the thing to record on Tuesday at 9:00 pm.

    As for the "software updates for new features", that sounds like a great way to wake up one day with Digital Rights Management you can't get rid of. Any PVR that refuses to function without being plugged into a phone jack is not for me.

    Bottom line: I don't want to buy a "service", crappy or not. I just want to buy an appliance.

  109. Re:Fallout. Not quite. by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 2
    those shows that only take up space on the root disk where it doesnt use a single bit from the volume the video is recorded to


    I have a refrigerator I'd like to sell you. It has a vertical divider in it, the left half is for your food and the right half is for my food.

    It's ok though. My food doesn't take up any of the space for your food so you you aren't losing anything.

    Data space is not physical space. If you sell me a fridge that wastes ten cubic feet of my living space, that is real loss. If TiVo sells you a device with "80 hours" of space on it, not telling you about the extra hour squeezed in behind the scenes, you have lost nothing material. In fact, that small bit of space subsidizes a portion of the unit cost. In fact, you've GAINED SOMETHING.

    Why aren't you going apeshit because Intel sold you a processor artifically limited to a percentage of its true capability? What about the speed governor that's part of the automobile you drive? You know, my CRT monitor looks like there's some wasted space between the tube itself and the case. Sony's going to get a piece of my mind, LET ME TELL YOU!

    If you buy a TiVo, you're getting what they're selling you. Remember that. They sold you an 80-hour PVR that just HAPPENS to use a hard drive that can hold slightly more. Stop thinking of it as an affront to your righs as a consumer. Almost everything you have is artifically limited in some way or another, whether it's in the name of efficiency, safety, reliability, or (God forbid!) helping the company provide a product to you at a lower price.
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  110. People will (do) pay for higher quality metadata by Genus+Marmota · · Score: 1
    What a guide service (free or paid) provides is metadata. That is, information about the information you want. In this case, that means when when the movie starts, who's in it, what year it was released, genre, etc. The metadata is what makes the data useful, or at least accessible. Imagine 1000 channels continuously broadcasting with no guide at all. Pretty useless, no?

    The PVR manufacturer has to compete WRT the quaility of hardware and software. Tivo is a great box, and the software is nicely integrated. RCA may realease a great box w/ good software as well - I don't know. Whichever you buy, the utility is going to depend a great deal on the quality of the metadata, i.e. whether you find what you want & the information is accurate & updated.

    In my 3 years at a search engine, I've learned that, almost universally, metadata from the content provider sucks. Ultimately it may improve as people discover that it improves your share (more eyeballs) to have good metadata as well as hot babes and exploding cars. But for now, it's up to third party providers to do the curation, cleaning up the mess (and it is truly a mess) by writing very sophisticated software (screen scaping is just the beginning) or having teams of humans continuously fixing it up.

    So it has utility, there will be a market, and some of us will pay for higher quality stuff. The pay stuff will be better. Remember, it's not an open source software product it's a service. If I have a dozen people on staff I can do a lot better job. Someone has to make sure the screen scapers haven't broken on a new HTML format, or that somebody mispelled vampire or tell the bayesian page parsers that the token "ORC" increases the likelihood that the page describes action/fantasy.

    Full disclosure: I love my TiVo, and I work for Thomson (which owns RCA).