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The Always-Encrypted Firewire Hard Drive

ducman points to the announcement of an encrypted hard drive running on the MacNN website. The drive features a DES 64-bit/ 40bit key strength and "is intended for use by banks, insurance providers, government agencies, and those individuals with sensitive digital intellectual property. It supports the IEEE 1394a connectivity standard, in addition to USB 1.1 and 2.0. It offers data transfer rates over FireWire 400 of 100, 200, or 400 Mbps. The SuperGuard is expected to be available February 7." Sounds great -- but the USB key stuck in the back looks like a likely point of failure.

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  1. worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the key length is too short.

    1. Re:worthless by Haroldo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This can be useful for hard disk disposal. A previous slashdot story informed about old disks being bought on ebay to be scanned for deleted data. With this encription approach, at least data will be disposed deleted and encripted. For sure, making the work much more difficult.

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    2. Re:worthless by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 2, Funny

      the key length is too short.

      64 bits should be enough for anybody.

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  2. 3rd post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Encrypted loopback devices on linux and bsd (and MacOS) are easier and cheaper.

    And more secure IMHO.

  3. with sensitive digital intellectual property... by simeonbeta2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does my mp3 collection count?

  4. Wow super secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it only took 6.4 seconds to crack into once the harddrive was hooked up to a standard PC.

    Anyone in here actually read Applied Cryptography? This was 1995 when it was published, and especially for bank use, you'd NEVER use anything less than a 128 bit key.

    Also, did they say DES or 3DES? Hasn't DES been cracked?

    1. Re:Wow super secure by Bishop · · Score: 4, Informative
      DES has not been cracked. It has been bruted forced in a short ammount of time. There is a difference.

      That said DES and possibly even 3DES should no longer be used.

    2. Re:Wow super secure by necromaedian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      better then nothing

    3. Re:Wow super secure by tweakt · · Score: 2, Informative
      Hasn't DES been cracked?

      DES hasn't been cracked per-se but the 40bit keyspace can be scanned very efficiently now with distributed computing and specialized hardware.

  5. DES?!!? by patrik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    DES has been replaced by Rijndael (AES)in the govt. Or at least that's what's supposed to happen, DeS is no longer secure enough. I would bet that with the huge ammounts of data stored on a disk differential techniques would make it a snap to get the key. What's worse is an easy to crack crypto system that you believe in is worse than no crypto system at all since you're likely to store data on it that you might not store otherwise.

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    1. Re:DES?!!? by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      AES really hasn't been deployed that much in practice, however 3DES has been standard for quite some time. Cracking DES by differential techniques is non-trivial. The biggest problem is that it can be cracked by dedicated hardware costing only a few million dollars, or by a group of computers in a distributed system. And if you're using 40 bit DES then that's just completely worthless.

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  6. He does this already by Millennium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make a big file image, format it, mount it via loopback, encrypt everything that goes on it.

    That's what encrypted DiskCopy images essentially are, just wrapped in a nice interface. It's actually a pretty neat system.

  7. Somebody mod up the ACs... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ACs in this thread are correct. 40 bit encryption isn't going to keep anyone but a casual snooper out of your data.

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  8. What's their definition of OS independent by BrianUofR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    *Device driver free, operating system independent

    *Microsoft Windows98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP and Mac OS compatible

    First off, how can it be OS independent and have a list of compatible OS's? If it's a hardware-based solution, then how can some OS's not work with it?

    1. Re:What's their definition of OS independent by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, how can it be OS independent and have a list of compatible OS's? If it's a hardware-based solution, then how can some OS's not work with it?

      Maybe because those OSes don't support USB.

    2. Re:What's their definition of OS independent by spazoid12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First off, how can it be OS independent and have a list of compatible OS's?

      It's just a marketing phrase. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's like Sally Struthers saying "earn your degree in almost anything" and then she lists stuff like "dog grooming". The list serves as a set of ideas for people unwilling to believe the word "anything" and who only click when they hear the one word important to them.

      That's not a contradiction, it's just annoying ad copy. Keep in mind the kind of people writing ads. Watch TV for a few minutes and see that while broadcasters are upset over ad-skipping Tivos we might have a strong case to sue them for cruel and unusual punishment.

      More annoying ad copy is the advertising which says "up to 10, or more!". How can it be more?? They just said it's up to 10!

      Truly annoying (and common) are the ads that say "Sugar...because cookies would be bland without it.", or "Diamonds...because we've got everyone duped." Well, actually, I never asked why!

  9. Encrypted? by SirCrashALot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    # Real-time 64-bit/ 40-bit DES (Data Encryption Standard)
    I hope this is a joke.... DES is no longer secure, hence the creation of AES. Why build a device that uses DES when there are machines that can crack it in a few days that cost only $25,000. The more money you have to spend, the faster you can crack it. DES Cracking machine
    An encrypted drive is a cool idea, but i would much rather use CFS (crypted file system) on a regular drive than this. DES offers no security to the people who want your data.
  10. I have a cheaper solution by t0rnt0pieces · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to prevent someone from getting your data, just buy a Western Digital drive. No one will be able to recover it!

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  11. Bruce, put this one in your doghouse listing by Kiwi · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why do I get the feeling this product will end up in the doghouse section of Bruce's next Crypto Gram newslatter?

    The people who designed this hard disk are confused about how DES works. First of all, DES has a 56-bit, not a 64-bit key. Second of all, the days of being forced to use 40-bit encryption are, thankfully, over.

    If one is going to all of the effort to encrypt a hard disk, why will they encrypt it using only Single DES? It is possible to build a single-DES cracker for under $10,000 US; the 56-bit key which single DES has to offer is just not long enough.

    They would have been much better off encrypting this unit with AES, which uses Rijndael to encrypt files. Rijndael has a key size between 128 and 256 bits long, which can not be brute forced with current technology. Rijndael is also more efficient than DES when implemented in software.

    Also, security is only as strong as its weakest link. If the hard disk is always readable when the key card is attached, then great care must be taken to detatch and hide the key card. Far better security can be obtained by a system which asks for a passphrase. Ideally, have a system which needs both the key card and the passphrase.

    While I think this is a good idea, I think one is better off with the kernel patches which allow one to encrypt filesystems in Linux.

    (For windows and Mac users, sorry, I use neither so can not help you)

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  12. There are more parts to the security here... by mageben · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Part of the security of this device is the fact that you shouldn't let it get into unwanted hands. Yes, I agree the encryption standard is weak as hell. This is a first generation technology, so give it a break. I think the weak encrypion was compromise since, as many have pointed out, the hard drive is rather slow and it has to encrypt things...

    I'll bet there are other companies working on a similar technology, I won't purchase one until I get variable key length and some decent speed specs.

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  13. Encrypted disk images rock. by marmoset · · Score: 5, Informative

    Encrypted disk images are really easy to use on OS X. They're encrypted using AES-128 (much more secure than the above hardware solution) and the performance is really quite good (fast enough to playback Quicktime movies from, even on a G3.) The Apple KBase entry on how to use them is here.

    1. Re:Encrypted disk images rock. by ignorant_newbie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Performance isn't bad at all. I don't even notice it in my >application since my bottleneck is the 100T connection
      >to the server rather than the 400Mb Firewire bus or the
      >encryption speed, but even with local copies, a G4
      >should do a fine job of keeping up with the Firewire bus.

      >The FW 800 bus will be a little different matter. Maybe
      >the dual 1.42 G4 can do it, but I doubt my lowly PB
      >could.

      While it's fine to get excited about fast busses, it's important to remember that they're that fast because they're designed to support a bunch of drives, not because each drive is actually capable of pushing that much data. If you're luicky, the drive inside the enclosure is a 7200 rpm ata drive, which isn't capable of filling the ata100 bus on it's own, let alone a firewire 800 bus.

  14. Not so crap by maroberts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those who've criticised it for it's key length have missed a perhaps an important point, which its that it encrypts without consuming the processor power of the host machine and supports full bus transfer rates whilst encrypting. If your system processor load is a bit hairy, you perhaps don't want to add to it by trying to encrypt on the CPU.

    Still, the same device with AES, 3DES or similar would be much better....maybe next time!!

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  15. I don't trust the little USB dongle by abirdman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks like as long as you've got the little dongle-thingy your drive will work; without it you're toast. So aside from any concern about the (only) 40-bit encryption, it seems like you'd have to make sure you hid the key (and not forget where you hid it). And if the key or its socket were to, ummmm... break or something (it's an external enclosure, so it could fall and the wires break), well you wouldn't have any data at all. And if the key got stolen, well then the thief only has to stick the thing into the drive and voila, there's your data.

    I know a lot of corporate IT types will think this is exciting, especially as new data security laws keep hitting the books. Full time encryption seems pretty secure. And the price seems fair, especially since it seems to take any EIDE drive and secure it, and (quoted from the article), "capable of maneuvering 66MByte/ sec throughput without taking any system resources." Just don't lose that darn key! And maybe they'll develop an internal version that would be more secure from bumps, knocks, and falls.

    Now, I've gotta get one of them new-fangled firewire (or USB 2.0) ports. And a hook to hang the little dongle from.

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  16. False advertising by Bishop · · Score: 5, Informative

    From FireWire Depot page:

    "...offers the military grade protection for your classified data."

    Calling DES "military grade protection" is pretty close to a blatant lie.

    1. Re:False advertising by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative

      The last time I checked, DES was only authorized for the protection of SBU (Sensitive But Unclassified) data. This would include things like personnel and medical records. Classified information requires protection by NSA approved algorithms and hardware. As far as I know, Skipjack is the only published algorithm that has been approved for the protection of classified information, and that is only for the lower levels of classification.

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    2. Re:False advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey- it doesn't say "US Military Grade". I'm sure it holds up quite well to the Haitian or Cuban military standards of encryption.

    3. Re:False advertising by AIXadmin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Someone forgot to tell them that AES has replaced DES as the SBU standard.

  17. Drive Failure by po8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the USB key stuck in the back looks like a likely point of failure.

    Conceivably. Anyone who is running one of these drives without backups somewhere is even more insane than the folks running un-encrypted drives without backups. The backups themselves can easily be encrypted, so there's no need for major security risk. If your key dongles stop working or your drive fries, you'd better have some way of getting the bits back from outside, 'cause they're not coming from the platter.

    OTOH, what is "64-bit/ 40-bit DES" supposed to be? Presumably this means the drive supports "40-bit watered-down DES keys" and "64-bit normal DES blocks". So I guess I'm wrong: this drive is designed to be break-inable in an emergency. Great. I'll wait until they offer 3DES or AES-128 options, thanks.

    In the meantime, check out the BSD Cryptographic disk driver cgd: SW on-disk encryption at the block level.

  18. Don't worry about losing the key. by Dthoma · · Score: 3, Funny

    'Cuz if you lose it, you can always bruteforce the encryption key anyway!

    *ducks*

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  19. Encrypted file system for mac users by jos3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    OS X users can use Disk Copy

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/securit y. html

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  20. DES weaknesses by billstewart · · Score: 4, Interesting
    3DES is just fine - as you say, DES hasn't been cracked, it's just been brute-forced, and 3DES increases the brute-force work by 2**56, which means it'd take about 2**56 days to brute-force instead of about 1 day. The only reasons not to use 3DES are that it's 3 times slower than DES (no big deal here), or that you trust AES well enough to use it instead (about 10 times faster than 3DES), or that you don't have enough room in some existing protocol to store a 112-bit or 168-bit key, in which case you should probably fix your protocol instead.

    "40-bit DES", on the other hand, is either a well-designed crock or poorly-designed crock, which is pretty trivial to crack. The only reason to use such any 40-bit key is to comply with anti-Communist US export regulations that got dropped a few years ago, largely due to the EFF's DES-cracker machine and the internet distributed DES crack effort, both of which emphasized the weakness of 16-bit DES.

    On a technical note, cracking well-designed 40-bit DES subsets is not 2**16 times faster than cracking 56-bit DES, or John Gilmore could do it in 3 minutes in his basement. DES has two main phases, a key-scheduling phase and an S-box phase, and the DES cracking efforts took advantage of some interesting work by Peter Trei on key scheduling, which found a search order that makes each key-schedule a simple modification of the previous one, instead if its normal relatively slow calculation. So a 40-bit DES crack might take 5-10 times as long per key as a 56-bit DES crack, unless the 40-bit subset was designed to avoid that. On the other hand, the EFF and Internet DES cracks were in 1998, and computers have gotten about 8-10 times faster since then...

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  21. Re:Why not just use Scramdisk or Drivecrypt??! by ashkar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, it appears in this particular case there is less than an advantage to going the hardware route, but theoretically, hardware could could provide a much faster and secure solution.

    For instance, encrypting and decrypting the data via software would cause cpu and memory overhead on the host machine. The encryption software would also need to be installed on all machines that you want to use it on, and this is looking to be a portable drive. Also, using an external encrypter, it's less likely that a keygrabber or trojan can grab your password.

  22. It was demonstrated at the MacWorld Expo by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    WiebeTech demonstrated FireWire Encrypt working at the MacWorld Expo.

    It uses software to allow the user to enter their passphrase from the keyboard. By the time of the expo, I had got the AES encryption working in the FireWire/IDE bridge but had only done the passphrase application for Mac OS X.

    I've since got it working for Mac OS 9 (and earlier Mac OS versions). Windows and Linux remain before the product can ship. I don't expect either to be hard to do but they do require some work because they have to do some raw FireWire I/O.

    I think it is best that I not comment any beyond this until FireWire Encrypt ships. But I think users will like what they see.

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  23. Re:40 + 128 = 168 by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, for the same reason that 2^40 + 2^128 != 2^168. You're not combining the keys, you're just using them after eachother. In the end, the 40 bits DES encryption doesn't even really matter, since the 128 AES key dwarfs its complexity (like in efficiency analysis, O(n) + O(n^2) = O(n^2)).

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  24. Military Security and Key Length by wordisms · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read this paper to see why 40-bit keys are so bad.

    However, to point to where the "military grade" security claim is coming from is the fact that in many military situations information is only needed to remain secure for minutes or a few hours. Unfortunately for FW Depot, that generally applies to wireless communications, not data stored on hard drives.

    Maybe they are hoping that people will use it to courier sensitive data...but then they could just hire Johnny Mnemonic.

    Yeah, bad product trying to meet ITAR regulations so they can export.

  25. Likely point of Failure? Not the USB key! by jkbull · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you look at the actual specs, and the fact that the enclosure provides "Real-time... Encryption/ Decryption" all this enclosure does is to encrypt the data going out, and decrypt traffic coming in. The data on the actual hard drive does not seem to be encrypted. This enclosure is not going to stop anyone who bothers to actually open the case, remove the hard drive and put in their own enclosure/install it in their own computers. Nobody in their right mind should use this case, unless potential data thieves are going to nicely agree to keep the hard drive in its pretty enclosure, or the manufacturer adds a lock to the case.