First Cosmological Results From MAP
riptalon writes "The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, a NASA Explorer mission has announced the first results based on a year of observations from the L2 Lagrangian point. MAP carries two
back-to-back microwave telescopes to study variations in the cosmic microwave background, to
much greater accuracy than the COBE satellite. The excruciating details of the results
on the age, geometry and composition of the universe can be found in this paper. Executive summary: 13.7 billion years old, flat, 4.4% baryons, 22% dark matter and 73% dark energy."
Will it heat my cosmic coffee?
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Does Dark Energy suck or blow?
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Anyone care to let us non-space nerds know what baryons, dark matter and dark energy are? TIA.
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Tell that to Columbus.
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Really, now. That just makes the universe sounds sinister. I can just imagine Vader argue with Yoda in Ep.III (cutting out the huffing) "Ahh you see master yoda, the universe is mostly the dark side." Can't they go for a policitally correct / socially sensitive / thoughtful of the children phrase like "cannot-see energy" or "we have no fscking clue where it is energy"?
otoh, iirc the original background radiation measurements were done using a U2 (not the band, though it would be interesting) flying at some 70k ft, something about only a U2 can fly that steady (without resorting to satelites, anyway).
My life in the land of the rising sun.
Baryons
:)
Dark Energy
Dark Matter
Hope this helps you out a little.
~D:
13.7 billion years old, flat, 4.4% baryons,
95% We don't know.
More information can be found at (including a cosmology tutorial):
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http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm#Ne
This press release was mentioned in a post in the previous slashdot story yesterday.
Mass media coverage can be found at CNN and the BBC. A list of all the MAP papers can be found here.
You only get 73% of you daily dose of dark matter. That would leave eating bowl after bowl after bowl. Try my new "Extra Dark Total Universe" and get 100% of your Dark Matter in just one bowl!
If religous zealots don't believe in Evolution, then why are they so worried about bird flu?
4.4% baryons, 22% dark matter and 73% dark energy.
The recipe for coke ?
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
The 4.4% baryons are the "normal" matter.
13.7 billion years old, flat, 4.4% baryons, 22% dark matter and 73% dark energy
Except for the age part, that sounds a lot like my ex-girlfriend.
Happy Valentines Day everybody!
Confused by "Dark Energy," "Vacuum Energy," "Dark Matter," and "Exotic Matter?" Here's a great collection of papers. (Mostly from the SNAP project)
[-- Trust the Monkey --]
"MAP, an Explorer mission, cost about $145 million."
If I understand correctly...
Measuring the age of universe, calculating initial proportions of baryonic matter vs. energy, and deriving shape of universe: $145M.
Shuttle flight to install ISS module: $500M.
Shuttle flight to watch ants float in zero-G: 7 deaths, $500M for launch, $2.0B for new shuttle.
Your Congressional District's seat at the trough of Shuttle/ISS pork: "Priceless."
Now that I've bashed, some constructive criticism - cut NASA in half.
One half - NAA - I'll call the National Aeronautics Administration. Its job will be pure Aeronautics. Launch vehicles. Rockets. Engines. From pricy Shuttles to half-decent Shuttle-C heavy-lift modifications, to cheap expendables, to funky crewed vehicles like X-33, VentureStar, or DC-X.
The other half - N(whoops!) let's call it the NSSA - National Space Science Administration - will do science. Build probes. Stick 'em on rockets built by the NAA, or LockMart, Boeing, or Armadillo, and do some frickin' science.
Under such a scenario, we could have avoided the Shuttle/ISS debacle completely; NAA might have had concerns about losing funding once the last Shuttle was built, and probably would have had a significant incentive to keep asking Congress for funding to build newer, better, cheaper-per-pound launch vehicles.
Why? Because they'd be under competitive pressure from every other contractor under the sun building launch vehicles to launch NSSA's space probes. Perhaps NSSA would have come to the same mistake NASA did - and decided that we Really Needed a Space Station - but even if that were the case, the design requirements of ISS would have immediately mandated a heavy lift vehicle, wholly unlike the Shuttle.
In such a scenario, NSSA would have had the choice between building ISS with three FooCorp Big Dumb Booster flights, or 30-40 NAA Shuttle flights.
Unlike the current NASA monolith, in which both halves exist to feed each other, a separate NSSA would have been loathe to spend its hard-begged budgetbucks to use another government department's (i.e. "NAA's") Shuttle, particularly in the face of cheaper alternatives. (And likewise, NAA, seeing that it had no Shuttle customers, would have been forced to spend its hard-begged budgetbucks building the Shuttle's successor, or find itself on the Congressional chopping block.)
I suspect that all of the percentages given have been rounded to two significant figures, and that you folks shouldn't be concluding that 0.4% has been unspecified.
There are contributions to Omega from electrons and neutrinos, for example, but this is a tiny amount compared even to the 4.4% from baryons.
> Subject says it all.
Apparently the universe is 0.6% rounding error.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
"MAP ... to study variations in the cosmic microwave background, to much greater accuracy than the COBE satellite"
And their web page is better too. My satellite can beat up your satellite!
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I would interpret this to mean the following:
(no profit recycling please)
1. 4.4 of the energy is stored in atomic nucleuses and some exotic particles.
2. 22% is stored in matter we can't directly observe, but can observe its effects on surrounding objects.
3. 0.6% is electrons and other small mass particles, measurable energy, etc.
Guess: Up to 73% of the original mechanical energy of the big bang is still in the form of mechanical energy (kenetic energy + potential energy).
Guess#2: Or 73% of the original ME of the big bang has been lost to entropy.
Aside Question: Given 2 objects of the same mass and potential energy at rest. Raise one of the objects to a higher potential. Does that not raise its mass relative to the first since the mass is its total energy/c^2? I remember NASA was puzzled by the Voyager probes not making it as far out as they expected them to be by now. Perhaps because they gained mass relative to us? Also, if 2 objects accelarate relative to each other and thier KE increases (relitively), does that not increase the mass, and their for the attraction between the two objects?
Bah, time to RTFA.
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Mpc = Mega parsecs, i.e. millions of parsecs, where parsec stands for parallax arcsecond and equals about 3.26 light years.
Where do you get your information that the earth is "a mere speck in a speck of a galaxy in a far corner of the universe" from? Your analogy which seems to want to destroy any logic in using current models as a description for existance, however, it too relies on the very same information. What is to say that we aren't in a cave looking at a wall which is projected and changes the projections perspective as we try to "move". In which case, what leads you to believe anyone but yourself exists at all?
Sir, re-read the definition of science. It doesn't suppose itself to be an end all be all in the definition of the world. It is a method. So is palm reading.. and I have seen palm readers with a bucket load more logic than you show in your argument.
pm
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Would not a sphere of unimaginable size have a surface that would essentially flat?
For millenia, most of the world thought the earth was flat and people could fall off the edge. Could this just be an extension?
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Can anyone tell me what's so special about the Sun-Earth L2 point that made it attractive to put the probe there? I couldn't find any reference on that site about why that spot was chosen.
At first I thought that it might need permanent shade from the sun, but I checked and found that the Earth's umbra doesn't extend that far out.
Unlike L4 or L5, the L2 position is a meta-stable point, requiring frequent correction to remain in place. There had to be a very good reason to choose it. The site has quite a bit of info about what exactly that spot is (nothing I didn't know already) and how the probe got there, but not a word why.
In Other News:
God, having recently been photographed in the microwave part of the spectrum, has held a press conference. Her spokesangel says "The Almighty resents this intrusion on Her privacy and just wishes some respite from the snapping of paparazzi hounding Her all day and night, never a moment's peace. She will now retire to a private part of the universe for some escape from the tabloids, thank you. But really, She is most upset about those faked pictures of Her wearing a beard. Have you no decency at all?"
God was last seen as a filmy blotch, one millionth of a degree warmer than the next blotch, in the general vicinity of the constellation Sagittarius. She was wearing a floral kimono and sandals from Gucci.
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
Does Dark Energy suck or blow?
e nergy.html
Blow... sort of. It acts the opposite of gravity, pushing everything apart.
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/dark-
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
Since time has been proven to continue into infinity, why do we state that the universe 'started' 13.7 billion years ago? What was happening 13.8 billion years ago in the space we currently occupy? Surely the Big Bang was a result of some other cosmic event, since time could stretch infinitely into the past as well as the future. The universe couldn't have been born without being first conceived...
This isn't science! Wait, oh shit, it is.
Let the naysayers be damned. I don't think there's a 'real' scientist out there who believes that this is the ultimate truth as to what the universe is composed of.
However, it's a good start at figuring out just what exactly is going on.
Where would we be now if some nutcase back in the day didn't say, "Hmm, well, what if the world was actually round?" and start working on craziness that would ensure.
Where would we be if some looney wouldn't have said, "You know, math would be a lot easier if zero exisisted."?
Giving random figures about things you aren't certain about isn't science. It's an important *part* of science. It's a launch vehicle for experimentation and theorizing.
When I first saw the COBE map awhile back, a little part of me said, "Well, that's nice, but such subtle data from a single platform isn't much to go on." But now, the new image certainly does seem to correlate well with it. The similarities are graphically obvious, and the fact that those data were obtained independently from COBE's is what makes this announcement most significant.
What does the Mpc stand for?
Megaparsec (a parsec is 3.26 light years, or 3.08*10^16 meters).
Basically, it means that an object 1 megaparsec away from you is moving away by 71km/second (since the whole universe is expanding like a 4-dimensional balloon, all points are moving away from all other points, and this speed increases with their relative distances)
Vacuum cleaners suck. Kings rule.
Time has not been proven to continue into infinity. Go read 'A Brief History of Time' for a good laymens introduction to cosmology.
Space and time are concepts deeply intertwined with energy and matter; they is not distinct from them. Thus, there is no 'before' the universe began, there is no time there, there is no there there either.
Who modded this clown up? Nobody claimed that we now understand "the entire universe." MAP is simply providing some data about fundamental characteristics of the universe. Its accuracy is arguable, but we're just getting some data here. Calm down before you blow out your last synapse.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Understood? Perhaps not fully, but one has to start looking somewhere. Why shouldn't we start looking from where we are now?
But then again, I could be wrong.
Do you have any idea about how NASA really operates?
NASA's budget and operations are firmly divided into unmanned and manned areas. Almost none of the unmanned science missions are launched by the Shuttle fleet... most are launched on corporate expendable launch vehicles.
Science in NASA is almost totally disengaged from launch vehicle & station planning & operations. This is a problem, not a cure.
No, unless your coffee has been artificially cooled below the temperature of the universe.
No naturally occuring cups of coffee in the universe will need any cooling from the CMB
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Flatness/curvedness refers to whether parallel lines meet and by extension what sum of angles there are in a polygon:
In a flat space (or plane as an example of a 2D space) angles in a triangle sum to 180 degree, always. Parallel lines never meet. This is a falt desk in 2D.
In positively curved space (or plane) internal angles of a triangle sum to >= 180 degrees (sum approaches 180 as size of triangle side lengths approach 0). Parallel lines cross twice. This is the surface of a globe.
In negatively curved space (or plane) internal angles of a triangle sum to <= 180 degrees (again sum approaches 180 as size approaches 0). Parallel lines diverge. This is a saddle.
It's easy to see the way this are if you think of the space as a 2D object since the curvature requires (to visualise) an extra dimension, but the principles are the same in higher dimensionalities
Don't believe the nonsense, unless you hear it from me directly.
The further away the object is from us, the greater the velocity it seems to be expanding away from us. So H=71km/s /Mpc means that for every Mpc the objet is away from us, it is flying away from us at the velocity of 71 km/s.
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A way to visualize what flat (and open & closed) mean is to think of a plot of how two dimensions are shaped at very large distances. That is, if you had some ordinary (flat, straight lines are straight lines) reference and observed the path of a bunch of photons sent of at right angles (only two directions) to form a grid and plot that in 3D. Then if there is no curvature (=flat), you'll get a plot that looks like a sheet of paper or the surface of a desk. If the universe was curved (open or closed) then you'll get a hyperpolic saddle or sphere respectively.
In short, flat means space like we ordinary envision it; it has absolutely nothing to do with the whole universe only expanding in 2 dimensions (like flat earth vs. round) as some of the earlier posters seem to think.
Mathematically, flat is the most unlikely result since even the slightest deviation would translate into one of the other two states. Physically, it means that the universe's geometry is euclidean, that its volume is infinite, and that it expands FOREVER (yes sure, the expansion rate approaches zero, but you know how asymptotes are supposed to work).
Incidentally, it means that we won't be able to eat at Milliway's. Shit.
Imagine the Creator as a stand up commedian - and at once the world becomes explicable. -Mencken
The map (really big version too) is today's Astronomy Picture of the Day. Along with another good description of the findings with the typical excellent APOD links.
Go Apod!
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Those 4% of normality are on the other side of the Universe, to the left and a bit bellow the oldest quasars. We are deep into the utter nonsense zone. But if you are smart you would have guessed that by now.
You're correct. What's constant for all observers is the speed of light in a vacuum.
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I'd just like to mention that I really appriceate it when the author of an article on science sums it if for us. I often have only 5 min to brouse the headlines and information like this is most welcome.
JFMILLER
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Dark Energy Sucks because it exerts a negative pressure on the universe. (There's a neat article about positive and negative pressure in the most recent Scientific American - including stuff about dark energy and the cosmos.)
Anything with a negative pressure sucks.
Anything with a positive pressure blows.