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Gestures For The Linux Desktop
geoffsmith writes "Just stumbled upon a gesture system for the linux desktop called 'wayV'. It works similarly to Mozilla gestures, except at windowing system level. For example, hold down the middle mouse button and draw an 'N' and netscape pops up, or draw a slash through a window and it kills the window's process. There are .debs available and the author is currently porting it to win32."
I guess I thought this software always came with my distribution. I've been making a certain gesture at the Linux desktop for some time with no effect.
I wish I had mod points.. I am a linux user but I have humor.. stupid zealots will mod this down but it was funny.. :)
A couple years ago there was a similar app for Windows called Popmouse. I cannnot find it now. Does anyone know what became of that software, or Pointix, the company that made it?
No word yet on what gestures the Linux port of "Leisure Suit Larry" will support.
Thats utterly freakin stupid It takes longer to draw an "N" than it does to click the freakin icon, not to mention that there's probably hundreds of apps that start with the letter "N".
The "mouse gestures" idea is pointless.
what would "ctrl-alt-del" move be
This software is allready in Debian, so all you Debian heads, save the author's website, and install with:
# apt-get install wayv
(well, actually sudo aptitude install wayv for me, but that's beside the point)
To me, gestures is a violation of POLA (Principle of least astonishment). When gestures are on in Opera, they get in the way, because I sometimes 'randomly' select text when I browse/read (it helps me read faster, dunno why).
So make me a believer. Tell me _why_ gesturing (as the scourge that it is to me) should haunt me even on my desktop?
No, I'm not trolling, I'm generally curious about why people think this RSI inducing "input method" is useful, and why I should use it instead of my well-optimized keyboard shortcut scheme.
http://download.com.com/3001-2344-891022.html
So does Mozilla flip you the bird when you type http://www.microsoft.com/ie?
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
There's already a pretty good mouse gesture program out for Windows called StrokeIt. I tried using it for a while, but it's really not worth it unless you have an optical mouse IME - a balled mouse ended up screwing up the gestures something chronic. Since I got my Logitech optical, it's a bit more usable, but I do wonder how much more efficient it is. To close a window, you have to draw a Q, and in the same time you've done it you could have just clicked the X.
I use the gestures in Phoenix though, moving back and forth between pages is a breeze now though - I really wouldn't recommend it for a full windows system though.
I really hope that the gestures they use are the same as Mozilla's. I use the gestures a lot, and if I'm ever forced to use IE, I find myself gesturing to no avail.
However, I recently tried using Opera which also has gestures capability. The problem I had is that a lot of the gestures are different than Mozilla's gestures, causing me to do Mozilla gestures out of habit without effect (or the wrong effect) inside Opera.
On an operating system level this could be problematic. What if I absent-mindedly do a Mozilla gesture, but in this operating system's gestures, it causes me to lose my work before it was saved? Or some such similar disaster.
Already I know I would have problems with the closing windows by drawing a slash through it. In Mozilla and Opera, you close it by gesturing L, R, L.
Probably the best way to avoid all these gestures getting confused with each other ("now let's see, was that for Opera? Mozilla? or the operating system?") is to develop some sort of gesturing standard that's generally agreed upon as intuitive that we all can remember and use.
Also, what if I have Mozilla installed on a system that also has an operating system gestures program installed? Which gesture takes priority when the same thing means two different things to two different programs that are monitoring the mouse at the same time?
FVWM has supported gestures through LibStoke (apparently what wayV uses as well) for quite some time.
No idea, but StrokeIt sounds similar.
Personally I feel the only gestures worth bothering with is the hold-mousebutton-click-other for navigating back/forward.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Have a look at strokeit
:p
Fairly customizeable, and neat for a while, but eventually I decided that I could do everything more efficiently directly from emacs
I use ratpoison. The only gesture I do is to the mouse, not with the mouse.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
Wonder what gesture he'll use for control-alt-delete?
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
So what happens if you gesture a dollar sign?
Will it format and install Windows
Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?
Did you ever play "Black & White". It had gestures and once you got used to them they were pretty cool. You would use your mouse to draw the gesture on any surface, and if the game engine successfully recognized it a bright white light would illuminate the path of your mouse (as well as implementing the selected command of course); usually this announced that you (being God in the game) are about to perform a miracle. There was a definite learning curve to using them, but once you got it it was genuinely useful and allowed the game to have almost no interface cluttering the screen. Though it isn't any where near the top of my list of favorite games, the gampeplay was unmistakably innovative.
When I had mouse gestures enabled in my browsers (Mozilla, Opera and Phoenix), I found myself making them by accident and closing the window or something. Maybe they should make them customisable (choose your own gestures - that would be cool and people probably have their own personal gestures they find it is easier/harder for them to make ;-) ) and also make it so one can choose which indivdual gestures you want installed (i.e.: not the kill the app one if your fingers slip sometimes).
If that was done they might be more useful and mainstream (and, maybe, used in many apps and OS's), but still I (like many others, probably) just couldn't be bothered learning all the damn things and they seemed like more pain than they were worth - I know how to user my browser/OS quickly and well by pointing and clicking or by the keyboard, and I do not really need a third harder-to-learn that is of questionable value and unlikely to speed up my browsing or OS use.
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yeh those like drawing tablets
guestures would work well?
so... what happens when you draw a smiley?
YarrRrr
Conversely, I'm disappointed that gnome2 in its effort to make it appeal to windows users has dumbed things down a lot. After all, once you get users to try out the linux desktop, how do you keep them? By making the desktop more powerful, of course.
I'm looking forward to seeing this get adopted widely. Eventually, I want there to be an entire layer that looks at your both keystrokes and your mouse movements before passing it on to the application. That way, handwriting recognition would work for all applications (wayV does this somewhat). Also, I could define app-independent "macros". For instance, I could set up some mouse gesture to translate into typing, say, my name or the URL of my home page.
It's even faster to typ a N on your keyboard. Or mod+n or whatever... May be fun to try for a day or two, but stupid indeed.
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I wrote something similar for BeOS - it's called FourWays. Now the trick is that all BeOS applications use BMessages for communications, and that in conjunction with SpiceyKeys, you can use gestures to control any BeOS application.
Also, theres Cocoa Gestures for MacOS X.
Blimey, it's hard enough training new users to use a mouse. We've all been there:
"No, clicking twice isn't the same as a double click"
"No, you shouldn't move the mouse between the two clicks of a double-click"
etc etc ad nauseum.
Gestures are going to make this even more of a pain...
I too select text while I browse in order to read faster! I'm surprised to hear that other people do that as well.
I do really love gestures though. I use them in opera and mozilla. I used to be a full time keyboard user, but ever since gestures came out (and my 5 button programmable mouse) I can do all of my most critical functions with the mouse.
I can only imagine if my system accepted TWO independent mice! haha
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It's faster to type mod+n on the keyboard IF you have one hand on the keyboard. I don't have one hand on the keyboard at all times, I do have one hand on the mouse at nearly all times (with the exception of those times, like now, when I am typing). This is especially true for surfing: the mouse is obligatory for surfing, the keyboard is only optional. (Links/lynx users in the back rows, quiet down, please.) If I'm holding a cup of coffee in my left hand, having to type mod+n is annoying, indeed, while moving the mouse up down up is effortless.
(Sidenote: mentioning mouse gestures always brings up scores of people pointing out an awarding use of the now-freed hand. But holding a cup of coffee or a phone or whatever is an option, as well.)
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...would bring up your favorite website
Yeah, gestures worked great in Black and White. Why, exactly should I do something as inane as a gesture when a mouse click will do the trick? Total waste of energy.
"Oooh look at me. I'm opening my web browser with a Big N."
Derek
PC game came out about 2 years ago called Black and White, the main way to cast spells in this game was through gestures. By about the second island I would have killed for icons or something to click. Many times I would be trying to create a rain spell to stop my village from being on fire, all along repeatedly failing the casting because I couldn't get the stupid gesture just right. So I'll pass on gestures for anything else.
Well, that is true. I guess it's a matter of taste. If you're a mouse-user, I can understand it's a good thing to be able to emulate a keyboard with your mouse. But as a keyboard-user it's utterly pointless. Mozillas typeahead is, on the other side, a good reason for me, and probably for many other keyboard-huggers, to trash the mouse ;)
So imho typeahead is a bigger "breakthrough" then guestures.
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In Soviet Union, computer gesture at you.
draw an 'N' and netscape pops up
People still use Netscape on Linux??
Arh the Horror!
To all the idiots saying 'this is totally pointless, waste of time' - think about accessibility for a second.
You do realise that there are some people whose only interface with a computer is a head controlled pointer, right?
I hope that the gnome accesibility people consider adopting something like this for gnome2, providing 'gesture-binding' for the desktop.
I guess I have this installed cause every once in a while browser windows open (or die) It occured to me there should be one to update errata so even idiots can patch themselvs.
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A simple request, but I want the fire effects you got when you pulled off a gesture in Black and White. All of these apps are good, they work and they do their thing, but I often found myself doing gestures in the game for the *click* *poof* *pretty fire effects*, made them that little bit more magical.
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gestures are great for graphics tablets, icons are usually NOT on screen unless you are one of those uber-dorks with a permanent windows-bar up all the time. why waste time porting to windows though? is it for sale?
It sounds really cool and all, and I've tried it out it Opera, but I always find myself back on the keyboard. Yeah, I hated Black and White, too.
YMMV obviously, but when I'm at the computer, I'm normally using both hands to type and taking them off the keyboard to perform a fairly precise action with the mouse is a pita.
Icons are actually fairly forgiving. You usually have around a 32x32 area of screen to hit your target. It seems like if you vary more than that in the gestures, then the gesture fails. And since you can increase your icon size, you can increase the allowable area for the doubleclick.
And as others point out, in both windows and linux you can easily make key combinations to launch an app. Although I find myself using both os's autocomplete function in the run command. Type in a command once, then it's a simple win+r or alt+f2 to bring up the run box and type the first letter or two of the app's name to run it. Much faster for me than taking my hands off the keyboard, moving to the mouse and making a gesture.
whoa.
No wonder I totally wrecked my island. I didn't take time to pay attention to such small details. The damn cow wouldn't grow, it kept whining all the time and demanding food. Then that Godzilla character came in, there was this bunny who struck the frikkin cow with lightning.. and all hell broke lose. I remember drowning couple of people, and after that a tornado sucked me in... at that point, I just gave up on it and uninstalled it.
I didn't bother with Creature Isle Explansion, because I absolutely suck at that game.
Maybe I should re-install it sometime and give it another shot. I spent well over $60 bucks on both B&W and CI expansion.
mouse gestures are a bad idea, Mice are crap interface devices, ever tried drawing with a mouse, it''s like getting my brother to do the washing up.
Now with a graphics tablet as a interface device, gestures are easy(accurate) and fast.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
There's already a gesture recognition program for Win32. Gesture
It's at an early stage at the moment, but shows potential.
I've never used gestures, so I don't know if this is true or not, but I think I remember reading somewhere that gestures tend to exacerbate repetitive stress problems.
Is that true? Or is it just an urban legend?
This whole thing is clearly a practical demonstration to inveterate mouse users of the kind of crap you put touch typists through when we say things like," But I don't care if it *is* a billionth of a second faster to use the mouse. I don't *want* to take my fingers off home base."
KFG
You sound like you're only considering what's good for the present. Sure, with current technology, typeahead seems more usefull. And today, I would certainly choose the keyboard over the mouse.
But what about in the next 20 years? By then I hope we're using some combination of voice and hand gestures , or something even beter.
I actually do this. It is possible with X 4. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 like this... ... here's the first snippet (put it where your mouse config already is):
/dev/ttyS1 ... and so it ends, the first snippet: ... now, the second snippet (at the end of the config file):
... and this is the end of second snippet.
Just edit
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IntelliMouse"
# It's a wheel mouse
Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
# serial
Option "Resolution" "520"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
# Needed for the wheel to work
Option "SendCoreEvents"
# Important! That makes this mouse a "main" one.
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse2"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
# This is the config for a five-button mouse.
# It was originally for a trackball, which
# turned to be low-quality
# (but it was way cheap).
# I use it now with a normal 2-button+wheel
# mini-mouse. It is left this way so that
# I can go back to the trackball if I want...
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
# It's a PS/2 mouse but it should work ok
# with a serial in
# Option "EmulateWheel" "On"
# Option "EmulateWheelButton" "6"
# Unneeded options
Option "EmulateWheelInertia" "0"
# Hmmm, forgot to try how this works.
# Maybe I'll tweak it next...
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
# Ye olde wheel-translating config
Option "HistorySize" "1000"
# Can't remember what this does. Seems
# to record the last mouse movements.
Option "Resolution" "450"
Option "SendDragEvents" "On"
# Ooh. So many options, so little time.
Option "SendCoreEvents"
# This mouse is a "main" one, too.
Option "Buttons" "7"
# This makes the trackball work. It has
# five buttons plus a wheel which
# gives 2 more.
EndSection
# This is were you describe your system with the
# components you gave previously in the
# config file.
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "layout1"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse2" "CorePointer"
# Just one of them can be the "Corepointer"
InputDevice "Mouse1"
Screen "screen1"
EndSection
Voilà! Two mice working at the same time! Someone with small hands here couldn't use the same mouse I do...
Now, come to think, maybe I opened Pandora's box.
"Probably the best way to avoid all these gestures getting confused with each other ("now let's see, was that for Opera? Mozilla? or the operating system?") is to develop some sort of gesturing standard that's generally agreed upon as intuitive that we all can remember and use."
I'll probably be modded troll or flamebait for this, but how would you ever try to get a large group of linux users/programmers to agree on what is 'intuitive' or 'user friendly'? not to mention how it should be implemented (window or or level...)
Int
I have an odd kind of mouse called ringmouse. It's a funny two-button infrared thing to be used in 3-D situations (a pity it's only 100dpi and must be dead by now... I haven't used it for some 5 years).
But that would give gestures a new meaning. It would be like magic.
Literally.
I've come across software like that in the Windows platform for years, yet I failed to understand how it would improve my everyday interaction with my PC. Of course some people like it and lets face it : it is quite impressive, even 'trendy'. So people will play with it for a few hours and then pretty much forget about it (I know I have). A minority may even continue to use such a system on a regular basis but not me (or anybody I know of for that matter ...).
, http://www.cc.gatech.edu/fce/pendragon/publication s/programming-overview.html).
;) departments) are spending millions on that area. Sure, they're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, they aim for profit. But they do offer a few solutions.
... I wonder how many people would agree with that ...
... what if, just if, something happened and I would not be able to use my fingers anymore ? The Gestures-type-of-application (I just can't remember its name !) proved quite useful at that point. Not an adequate replacement of ones fingers but quite usefull nevertheless. Therefore, everytime I see similar software I feel a little more 'secure' and optimistic; it's silly I know ... Thats all.
Yet, for all its 'useless-ness', pointing device based gestures and similar technologies can be of importance for a particular sect of the 'computer users' population : People with disabilities. (check Google on that, and btw here are a couple of quick links http://knowltonian.net/NJIT/webaccessibility.html
I know that my post is on the verge of being moderated 'offtopic' or even 'flamebait' but the truth is that the FS/OSS community has not come up with any serious technologies to aid/help people with disabilities in their effort for satisfactory interaction with their computer. On the other hand, commercial entities/corporations (yes, like Microsoft but also Adobe, Sun etc.; in fact most of the big corps have dedicated research (or marketing
And yes, I am aware of the accessability options provided by modern FS/OSS desktops. But do you think they are enough when compared to commercial solutions ?
It is true that people with disabilities is a very small minority in the FS/OSS world (any statistics anyone ?) so it would not seem wise to 'waste' resources on the development of such software (mouse gestures, visual gesture recognition, voice recognition etc.)
Why did I post this ?
A few years ago I had an accident which resulted into several broken fingers. Ever tried to use a keyboard while most of your fingers are broken or cracked ? I tell you, it's a bitch.
A friend of mine helped me by installing a Gestures kind of software and a trackball in my brand new Win95 (no 'booo' please) box. It didn't solve everything but it did seem to make my interaction easier. My 'torment' only lasted a month or so but since then I often wondered
I don't understand, why gestures are so popular. I tried Mozilla gestures once, but run into problems with them. At first, they seemed to be a great help, but eventually they just started to make my life difficult. For example, when I tried to paint a piece of text by dragging mouse from right to left, the gesture system decided that I wanted to go to the previous page. Well, that's just stupid. And if I remember correctly, it doesn't help to drag mouse from left to right while painting a section, because it assumes that I want to move forward a page. For me, this kind of a system just makes life harder.
I've been gesturing at Windoze for years. The symbols are mostly undocumented because they are unsuitable for children.
Black & White had this
Gesturing is hard
You can do this with StrokeMe, libstroke, and XYZ (name software here)
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Seriously though, I think this is wayCool (ducks as piano flies over head, nearly hits. Or did it nearly miss?)
I loves the black&white gestures (They should make it draw the gesture on the screen with you, a la Black&White)
I've got nothing more to say to this.
My other
I haven't had enough time to play with this, but it seems great. All i've done is map apps to letter gestures (P for Phoenix, etc,) But it can also send key commands. so C could be copy and V paste or so.
Except for whatever reason, they call them 'strokes'... But I love that you get to program them yourself. It doesn't have to be hard to open a browser or whatever. Mine are all straight lines - I don't use that many different apps that I can't just call up a terminal and go from there...
Shrink all your borders to 1 pixel, then it's just a SMOP and you've got your power user sooper desktop.
I bind all the meta keys to window ops, so you can move windows around with a CTRL-click from anywhere. Heaven.
Keep your packets off my GNU/Girlfriend!
Is there a gesture for BSOD?
Of adapting a computer to understand handsign language, like the one used by deaf people.
It would be easier than voice recognition, I thought at the time (circa 12 years ago).
Recently, I learned that even handsign language is different from country to country.
But we could have standard alternative configurations, like national keyboard layouts.
I wonder what would be the effect of this on monkeys and other animals, since they're better equipped to deal with hand signs... would this boost their intelligence?
... have you ever used a PDA? The entire interfaces are driven by pen-based gestures. They don't usually have keyboards, and those that need them for normal operation aren't PDA's anyway, they're mini-laptops with crappy keyboards.
I have a similar set of minimalist gestures. I like to keep them as simplistic as possible where I only have to move in one direction.
I have left/right for back/forward, "Up" for New Tab, "Down" for Close Tab.
I wanted the use of a few more commands, so I also hacked the mozgestOverlay.js to handle a second mouse button. (I put in this request to the mozgest authors, but in the meantime I had to modify the code myself.) So all of the previous commands are performed when holding the left mouse button. I set up the following identical commands to be performed when I press the MIDDLE mouse button:
left/right for "Previous Tab/Next Tab" (I love that one!), "Up" for "Reload Tab", "Down" for "Add Bookmark".
It's pretty cool. That way, I never have to make more than one movement to perform a gesture. Fast and easy. You could even modify the mozgestOverlay.js to recognize a third mouse button and add even more commands. But I only have a small subset of commands that I run, so this works for me.
what happens when you draw an N or some other "gesture" shape in GIMP. Does wierd shit happen?
I guess I thought this software always came with my distribution. I've been making a certain gesture at the Linux desktop for some time with no effect.
Yeah.... thank you, thank you.
How about some useful features instead? Integration between applications so that xine can play a video file from an Impress presentation, or any number of the other things Windows users take for granted that either don't work or aren't even under development for Linux.
'Course, the important stuff is already taken care of. Linux applications crash more often that the Windows kernel, so we're good there. And with KDE's blistering speed, you'll approximate the lagged feeling of having a good Windows virus e-mailing all the doc files on your hard disk to everyone in your Outlook address book.
Fire and Meat. Yummy.
... but mouse surfers can get all the same functionality that gestures usually provide for a browser with a right click menu or a context menu. Unless of course your mouse fingers are also holding a cup of coffee (which I have had be the case.) If you're doing that, though, you should seriously consider your mouse's safety... what if you were to spill coffee on it and it were damaged? Then you would be back to the old keyboard... the horrors!
I've been using this for years in Windows... the application is called Sensiva, and can be found here: http://www.sensiva.com
:)
It's very usefull, I just draw a V to launch VB, or a W to launch Word, and so on
~Andrea
If you like me is trying to minimize the use of the mouse, then this just seems like a dumb idea.
I attribute my tendinites to overusing gestures in Mozilla. If you have some pre-disposition (had it before) than I'd think twice about using gestures.
But really, I think that user interfaces should be as absolutely minimal as possible (for the reasonably advanced user). They should require as few keystrokes or mouse movements as can be, simply put. If a a gesture really does save time (and is accurate, mind you), then by all means it should be used.
..Because it'll be more like wave of RSI.
;)) Still, I believe it'd be simpler to use current technology - bookmarks, and yes, the infamous four keys.
Gestures, in my opinion, suck. First, I'll deal with those who seem to think they should replace everything.
Hello? Tell me, how is moving your mouse (or, as some have suggested with future technology, hand) in a floofy circle 'easier' and 'better' than, say, hitting ctrl-c? How can the keyboard, which often only requires two buttons to be pressed, be worse than the ridiculousness of moving the mouse in patterns?
How much CPU time will be wasted on deciding when a gesture has been done, as opposed to a normal mouse movement?
Sure, there's also those who suggest gestures could be useful to replace more complex patterns on the keyboard. Such as, opening a specific site or cutting and pasting. (So complex, four keys instead of two.
I'm not a doctor. I haven't played one on TV, either. However, I know plenty of people in the medical profession, and I can speak from hours of searching on Google. RSI due to the mouse is much more common than RSI due to the keyboard. I, myself, averted a case of RSI by ending my reliance on the mouse to get things done.
The mouse, simply put, is a horrible, but necessary technology. Until we have touch-sensitive screens attached to every computer, we're most likely stuck with it. The more necessity we add to it, the more RSI we'll be seeing.
I used a program called Sensiva (www.sensiva.com) for windows a while ago. it was great in windows 98 but i remember it caused problems in NT based systems so i stopped using it. but you could program it fairly easily for most applications. if you drew a symbol on the desktop it could launch an app. i loved using it in a browser because it could do all sorts of commands right in the browser window. great for full screen browsing with no taskbars.
it looks like sensiva has stopped thier free application and is now selling a new version called Symbol Commander.
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It shouldn't be that hard - I mean, your average shockwave game maps keyboard keys, so why cant software developers make mappable gestures? Just have a list of all the possible gestures and all the possible actions, then let the user associate them. That instantly kills all the bureaucratic overhead and ultimately makes all software more customizable for the end user. Seems like a no-brainer to me...
knock opera all you want, but their gestures work with no hassles beyond learning which gesture does what.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
Many have already seen this device, but I just got one of these keyboards, and the gesture system is amazing. It's USB and OS Independent.
Ah, I wasn't aware of the fact that the mouse button was configurable. And now I have to be a bit more specific. I was actually using those gestures with Phoenix (I think that the package was designed for Mozilla, anyway) and at the time I was testing the gestures package, there was no way to change the configuration of any plug-in functionality.
I hate to call this one, but you walked right into it:
Let's note here you say "I was testing the gestures package" with a browser that isn't even up to version 1.0.
If you truly want to see how gestures work and interact (and how they are F*cking awesome), try it with a post 1.0 version of Mozilla. Once you begin using them you'll never go back.
Of course you can run KDE using other window managers (flux, metacity, icewm, etc)
just setup the env variable KDEWM to fluxbox, login again and you're ready
Math is the weapon!!
Mouse _used_ to be obligatory for surfing, true, and for some small parts of it it still is, but type-ahead really did make that evil lot lesser.
Which smilie design allows one to draw it using just one curve?:)
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