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Yet Another Perl Conference - Canada
minaguib writes "For anyone interested in Perl, Yet Another Perl Conference is coming to Ottawa, Canada May 15th and 16th. Pre-Registration is now open and the calendar is not completely finalized, as they are still accepting presenter entries. This is a great way to get involved either as a presenter or an attendee."
you niggers fail it. kill the niggers. fuck you. fuck niggers.
not only is something fun finally coming to my little ol' town, but its coming to my univeristy too :D
Niggers use Ninnle!
Racists use Hooty!
Fuck you all!
Especially fucking idiot Yanks that agree with Baby Bush!
Really, with new OO languages like Java and C#, why is Perl even worth anyone's time?
Can we all just stop the arguin' fussin' angerin' etc. and just lick the goddamn dick already??
I mean, what's going on here...
Is this a script kiddie conference? How can someone who works at taco bell and lives in their mom's basement afford to go to a conference?
Seastead this.
If so, sign me up!
Perl sucks
Yet another post about yet another perl conference.
Python is just snakeskin on a stick!
I prefer kittens on a roll!
shoot camel cum on my face and neck, yummy
Recently I've had a chance to do some web design with PHP. Previously I'd used Perl because I'd heard from many people that Perl was the end all and be all of scripting languages for the web. Imagine my suprise to discover that PHP was vastly superior! I know this is a bold statement, but I have solid arguements to support it.
Before I begin, let me just clarify something. I'm not arguing that PHP is better than Perl in all cases. There is certainly still a use for Perl. Also, PHP isn't perfect but it does manage to fix many of the shortcomings I've had with Perl. Here are a few of the things I've noticed about PHP. Finally, I'm not the most talented Perl programmer out there. I generally prefer to use the vastly superior Python, but can use Perl if I have to.
Again this is just my experience. I don't mean to offend any Perl coders because Perl was an excellent language. However, in certain cases it may behoove one to write the back end in PHP instead of Perl.
Thank you and God bless,
Egg Troll
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
My question, however, is what are the strengths of Perl? And is it well suited for manipulating information in a database?
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Yet another post about yet another post about yet another Perl conference.
Janssen Choy
ha ha, I wonder if they can get a room in a hotel basement while they are there?
...off, then you can make your own perl necklace like I did.
What can I say - the above title is clearly needed and has a fantastic sales oppotunity waiting several times a year.
Shoot. How the hell do we all get to Canada and back when half of all Perl developer population are on green cards. God dam mother----s!
I suggest you read Slashdot
Have any of you perl coders looked at python or PHP for whatever your apps are? I still use perl for little quick and dirty type things, but the 'line noise' phenomena makes something like python much more atractive for prototyping. And PHP much more atractive for dynamic web stuff. Where does perl shine anymore?
flame on...
"A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
in London, Ontario, Canada that I can afford? MacWorld London anyone?
What we see depends on mainly what we look for. -- John Lubbock Now search for that bug slave!
Jesus fucking christ, how is this off-topic? The moderator must not know shit, that's all I can imagine. If the moderator knows anything about perl, he/she knows that Heidi Wall's father, Larry Wall, invented Perl. This is very much an ON-TOPIC comment, you fucking shithead.
Shit, do you also write buggy code? What a script-kiddie loser you must be, know wonder you can't afford to go to a conference.
...we will finally be able to answer the question: how many virgins does it take to screw in a light bulb?
I smell a marketing scheme. According to yapc.ca, the only scheduled training sessions are from employees of ExitCertified, an IT training company. Conveniently, ExitCertified is also in Ottawa. Further, why would I fly to a conference where they're still looking for speakers *two months* out? All they have are "Dick Hardt, founder of ActiveState" and two ExitCertified guys. If you want a truly amazing training/networking/fun experience, try a GeekCruise. I went on Linux Lunacy II in the Caribbean and hung out with Linus, Guido van Roosum (sp; invented Python), and Eric S. Raymond.
While all of you perl developers are here in the great white north, why not enjoy some of famous beer, and have a quick chance to check out our famous igloos, and our great Parliment buildings made of ice( Like your white house eccept ours doesn't need to be painted, it get painted daily by Mr. Winter)
Tragek
Canada is a Perl conference?
That would explain so many things on so many levels.
I wonder what the Perl syntax for "... eh?" is...
It's true.
Coulthard first
Of course, they either all like that drive-fast-turn-left shit, or that "other" series where all the drivers are either on their way to F1, (J. Montoya), retired from F1 (E. Fittipaldi) or couldn't make it in F1 (M. Andretti, the younger).
You sure that's not the right site for Hooty Linux?
Hooty rules! Ninnle sucks!
This book just irritates the hell out of me. I'm a C programmer, device drivers etc. Took a Perl class and they gave me the Perl bible.
Kernighan and Ritche still hold the title for writing the best book about programming. They don't talk about language lawyers or the Lord of the Rings.
Talk about irritating tripe. What the hell is this guy's IQ, 80?
When I read a book, I expect it to be on topic. LW's beliefs and lifestyle don't interest me in the least.
Sorry for venting this Perl irritation,
Cheers,
AC
I'll bite. Plus I'll throw another contender into the ring even.
Before I begin, let me just clarify something. I'm not arguing that PHP is better than Perl in all cases. There is certainly still a use for Perl. Also, PHP isn't perfect but it does manage to fix many of the shortcomings I've had with Perl.
Same here, there are cases where PHP works better than JSP. Very small, quick and dirty web scripts come to mind.
Ease of use. After about a day I had an excellent understanding of both PHP and SQL. I was able to get a stable, useable and presentable website up within 24 hours of reading the basics of PHP. Learning Perl took me weeks and I'm still not even as good with it as I am with PHP. I would definitely not recommend anyone new to programming begin with Perl.
Power and ease of use, is very often at odds. This is not always the case, but very often that's the trade-off you get with languages. Deal with it. Perl, along with JSP and other application servers give you many ways to do what is *apparently* the same thing. For example in many cases you may be able to get away with using "|", "||", or "or" in exactly the same statement and get what is to you the same effect ( if you don't care about bitwise operation or presedence).
Nice to see you got your web application up and running so quickly. Now try to connection pooling ( php persistant connections are db specific, ldap and less popular dbs don't get it ), or any other optimizations where you optimize the generation or retrival of variables or other resources by limiting that operation to once per session.
Ever wonder why so many slashdoted sites say "max connections in mysql reached"? Because often every hit is creating and closing a connection to the database. It's difficult to do any session scope or application scope optimizations using PHP. Is there a variable you need once per user session? Tough, you have to get it from the DB each hit, or store it in the URL, eg.
The OO of PHP is excellent. In my experience, it rivals Smalltalk.
Java vs. PHP's OO. Hmmm.... Grap a design pattern textbook and try implementing any non trivial pattern in PHP. PHP OO is an afterthought, and it shows.
Outstanding database support. PHP supports virtually every DB under the sun (although Berkeley DB is missing, oddly enough.)
ODBC
Speed. PHP is one of the fastest languages I've ever used.
Hah! Try a real web application. There standard PHP engine does not have an opcode optimizer. Every hit to your site is compile. While most application servers come with opcode optimizations by default. Your site is compiled on startup or on the first hit only. Afterwards the in memory code is executed. Even if you use a PHP opcode optimizer, it would be interesting to see PHP vs Tomcat. My money's on Tomcat.
Portability.
JAVA. Nuff said. There's isn't 20 different dependent libraries at compile time, or realizing that you need to recompile PHP because you don't have PDF lib support built in. That's suppose to change soon, I hear, but until then.
Graphics
Java2D
Data Structures. Under PHP you can create any type of datastructure you need: Linked lists, binary trees, hash tables, queues, inverse Reiser-biased recursion trees, etc.
Check out java.util .
PHP alright, but isn't all that hot. I still use PHP for small scripts that few people use ( eg. scripts to add/del IMAP or LDAP users for instance which only a small number of admins use), but the truth is most application servers would eat its lunch.
Based on upvotes, Ageism is the only "-ism" Slashdotters care about and think isn't SJW
It's actually a magic site powered by the government's latest cutting edge mind control technology. It will automatically detect what kind of files you like most and let you download them! Isn't that great?
But frankly, neither Ninnle nor Hooty are ready for the desktop. Some guy named Joe Average told me last week.
You must see me eat a donut. It's remarkable.
Click the link below.
Bowie J. Poag
He any relation to Joe Sixpack?
No War For Israel!
Ohh..sweet young pussy, does it get any better than that? I think not.
n/t
YAPC is also coming to Boca Raton, Florida. Hopeful speakers should volunteer their time for lightning talks and general speech topics soon!
http://www.yapc.org/America/venue.shtml
They didn't list it on the "Seeing Boca Raton" section, but there are other things to do in the Boca area, such FLUX (Florida Linux Users eXchange - http://www.flux.org/) and the 2600 meeting (not to mention Sawgrass Mills Mall which is an attraction all it's own - just come on a friday night).
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How'd you spell that Hooty, cutie?
All you Americans can attend "half price" because of our sagging currency/exchange rate, while us "Canadians" can't afford to buy lunch there let alone travel.
Yo Grark
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
Time to let go
And I was going to go as a sharpshooter on the roof, but this is an even better idea!
Am I the only one who sits here scratching his head wondering why anyone would go to a Perl convention when they could be home coding in Ruby?
Stop exposing us.
The Americans are still not aware of the plan.
perl -eh 'print "pass the poutine\n"'
You know you're a geek if you've ever replied to a tagline.
Sorry? I don't speak Ebonics.
Macintosh user's group... mugoo... sounds about right :)
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