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Photographer Fired For Digitally Altering Photo

bewert writes "A sign of things to come? Is this kind of thing happening without anyone catching it? This short article notes that war photog Brian Walski was fired for combining elements from two photos to make one with 'better composition'. Here is the 'Editor's Note' detailing the transgression. It's not really highlighted on their front page ;) I wonder how often this type of Photoshopping is done without anyone noticing it? To paraphrase Pink Floyd, "Mother, should I trust the government?"..." Another submitter points out an article examining digitally altered magazine covers. Slashdot has done several stories on unnoticeable digital alterations; here's 1, 2, 3 old stories to peruse.

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  1. What will O'Reilly say? by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great, this is just what we need: another reason for Bill O'Reilly to get his panties in a twist over the LA Times.

    He already seems to think they are actively aiding the Iraqis by spreading propaganda, and this surely won't help sway his opinion.

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    1. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Despite a tremendous expenditure of willpower, I just can't bring myself to give a damn what Bill O'Reilly thinks.

    2. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm from Canada and don't get Fox News. I've rarely had a chance to hear or see Bill O'Reilly but on the few times I have, he's come across as a pompous ass - the type of smart guy who's just slightly more intelligent than the norm but closed to the possibility that there are many more people smarter than him. I remember seeing him in a "debate" and he seemed to think that the best way to win it was by stifling any opportunity for the other side to get a word in. I also got a chance to watch Fox News while on vacation and it was a laugh. It was so blatantly tabloid-ish that it was actually humourous. So my question is, why do so many Americans seem to treat O'Reilly like he's an intellectual genius and Fox like it's a suitable replacement for PBS?

    3. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by bballad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rember O'Reilly made his name on inside edition, a tabloid news program. This is why Fox another tabloid news outlet loves him. No one thinks hes a intellectual hes just the clown of the moment, and any one watching Fox news has probably never heard of PBS let alone watched it.

    4. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Eccles · · Score: 5, Funny

      any one watching Fox news has probably never heard of PBS let alone watched it.

      ...and they'd probably have trouble spelling it too.

      <Rimshot>

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    5. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by jd142 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If anything, the altered photo is propaganda for the military, not those opposing the war. The real picture on the right shows a soldier seemingly pointing a machine gun of some kind at a man carrying a young child. The real picture on the left shows the gun pointing over the heads of people sitting down but also shows the soldier motioning the man with child to sit down just as the man starts to stand up or approach the soldier. The fake picture shows him motioning the man (now standing with child in arms) to sit down; the gun is pointed away from the child and the soldier is motioning the man to sit down.

      If they had used the real photo on the right, it would be a picture of an American soldier pointing a gun at a man carrying his child. It is vaguely reminiscent of the photo of the guy pointing a gun at Elian Gonzales when the took him from Florida in the sense that it shows one of our boys pointing a gun at a young child.

      The altered photo shows the soldier slightly more relaxed, the gun isn't pointed at anyone and the child is not in immediate harm at all.

      It is subtle, I'll grant you that, but the original could have been much better propaganda for the anti-war crowd.

    6. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the gun were pointing at the man and kid, you would be seeing the back end of it, not the side. Guns can't shoot out of the side. Just letting you know. Neither picture has the gun pointed at anyone.

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    7. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Megahurts · · Score: 5, Informative
      If they had used the real photo on the right, it would be a picture of an American soldier pointing a gun at a man carrying his child.


      It takes a severe cluelessness to draw that conclusion. It's obvious in the soldier's stance that he's not pointing anything at anyone, and furthermore, between his uniform, his weapon, and the supplemental information, he is quite clearly British.
    8. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by EggMan2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think Bill O'Reilly is a bit busy defending himself from his lies about winning two Peabody awards for Inside Edition.

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    9. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is splitting hairs, but that's probably a British soldier, not an American.

      Biggest clue is his rifle: it's a 'bullpup' configuration, where the clip is inserted behind the grip.

    10. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The soldier also appears larger and more prominent in the altered photo. In the first original it looks like the Iraqis don't listen or maybe disobey him. The altered photo OTOH shows the soldier more "in control". Pretty subtle really, but it changes the mood of the picture. I wonder what the motivation of the photographer was.

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    11. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by The+Dobber · · Score: 3, Funny


      Did anybody notice Waldo in the doctored photo?

    12. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by BrodieBruce · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Despite a tremendous expenditure of willpower, I just can't bring myself to give a damn what Bill O'Reilly thinks.


      Yeah, but what worries me is the large number of people who forget to take a grain of salt with whatever zany conspiracies they hear newscasters speak of on tv. Especially here in the US where so many people just think if something was said on CNN/Fox News/etc then it must be true.

    13. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by sheldon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I prefer Fox over the ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN, because at least fox will put both sides on to argue their points, and not SLANT the news to the right as much as the left will SLANT the news to their extent."

      LOL
      http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/sources.html

      "I've been conservative all my life."

      Now what's that mean? I'm a conservative too, but I believe in dialog, discussion and balanced policy.

      i.e. no O'Reilly, and not the Republican party.

    14. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by Megahurts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think you understand what I meant. Tactically speaking, the soldier is in a neutral stance. metaphorically, it's like having the fire selector set to safety. his finger is out of the trigger guard and he is not exhibiting any sort of agressiveness. I think the best way to say it is that he is carrying his rifle. The rifle may be pointing but he is not pointing it. By comparison, the agent in the Elian photo had his weapon shouldered and was indeed pointing it (although even in that case, his pointed finger outside the trigger guard indicated quite a safe position, as well.)

    15. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by TKinias · · Score: 2, Funny

      scripsit p51d007:

      I've been conservative all my life.

      Well, thank God! We need more conservatives. I've had enough of these whiney, ``I have rights'' republicans. I mean, come on! Elections indeed. Typical Freemason nonsense. Give me a good, Catholic king, and for God's sake get the education system out of the hands of those state employees. I hear some of them aren't even baptised.

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    16. Re:What will O'Reilly say? by TKinias · · Score: 4, Informative

      scripsit mindstrm:

      Many times they seem very surprised when a local merchant does not want to accept dollars, and does not speak American English.

      My saddest moment in this respect was watching a young waiter at a Cairo restaurant being loundly and, um, colorfully berated (in English, of course) by an American for not being able to bring him A-1 steak sauce. It was 4 July, and they had festooned the place with red-white-and-blue streamers and American flags, and attempted a U.S.-style barbecue, to make the expats feel welcome.

      No, actually it was when a Jeep full of drunken Americans pulled into an oasis in the Sahara (eight hour drive to get there, and they'd been drinking the whole way), and proceeded to try to buy people's patio furniture from them. In English. With U.S. dollars. (If you're an American, imagine a drunken Arab stumbling into your house and waving around wads of Saudi rials, urgently demanding something in Arabic.) Unfortunately for me, I not only came from the same country, I knew the guys.

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  2. What's the big deal? by ChaoticChaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, I saw the 3 photographs and really don't see what the big deal is.

    I can see firing the photographer if he was trying to make something appear to have happened that didn't. That's not the case here. The original and re-touched photograph are conveying the same thing. This is a tempest in a teapot.

    I bet that famous photo of the sailor swapping spit with that woman after the war was over was probably Photoshopped too! I bet he was smelling his arm and they inserted her into the scene. ;-)

    1. Re:What's the big deal? by johnnyb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is that _anything_ doctored cannot be considered news. If that became standard practice it would be so easy to abuse.

      Pictures are taken as evidence to be an exact representation of what they are looking at. If you can't trust pictures in a newspaper or magazine, you can't trust the newspaper or magazine, period.

      This was definitely the right decision.

    2. Re:What's the big deal? by YetAnotherAnonymousC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a slippery slope. Once it's OK to alter photos as long as you preserve the "theme," all that's left is for a newspaper with a deluded idea of the "theme" of a photo to seriously alter a photo's contents. This already happens all the time with quotations being taken out of context and having phrases parenthetised for "clarity".

    3. Re:What's the big deal? by ChaoticChaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IMHO, that's too simplistic of a way to make a decision.

      I bet some of the cameras being used by the photographers don't have "red eye" reduction. Should they be fired too? Won't the red dot make the person look angry? ...and you're telling me that coverage of the news by the talking heads is pure fact and nothing else?

      C'mon folks, let's look at this more critically.

    4. Re:What's the big deal? by gradius3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called journalistic integrity. There is no difference between making something less real and pulling something out of your butt. More importantly, how would you like it if someone won a Pulitzer prize for a photograph that was slightly doctored because their Photoshop skills were superior? (Or worse, you got beat to someone who altered their photo?)

    5. Re:What's the big deal? by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I strongly disagree for two reasons. One is that the paper already had a stated policy of no alterations, period. Once that policy has been adopted, they have to follow it. Two is that they chose the right policy. There has to be a bright, obvious line between what is allowable and what isn't. If you let a photographer alter things for artistic effect then somebody has to sit there and decide in each case whether the changes are just artistic or if they've distorted the truth. Only by having an objective standard of no alterations at all can you avoid that problem.

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    6. Re:What's the big deal? by rdewald · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you look closely, you'll see that the digital composition implies that the soldier was directing the civilian with the baby in his arms, implying that this soldier was somehow comforting, directing or otherwise assisting this distressed person.

      The actual photos revels that the soldier's raised hand was either unseen by the civilian or directed to something else.

      That's art, not reporting. That's the big deal.

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    7. Re:What's the big deal? by PetiePooo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can see firing the photographer if he was trying to make something appear to have happened that didn't. That's not the case here. The original and re-touched photograph are conveying the same thing. -- ChaoticChaos

      Fade into courtroom interior..
      "Your honor, prosecution presents exhibit A. We took the liberty of touching up this photo. While it still represents the events that took place the day Mr. Chaos murdered his girlfriend, it doesn't make anything appear to have happened that didn't. It conveys the same thing."

      "OBJECTION!!! Conjecture!"

      "Sustained! Counsel, please approach the bench."

    8. Re:What's the big deal? by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In one picture, the soldier is waving his hand and the guy with the baby is ignoring him; in the touched up one, the baby-carrier is looking at the soldier. That's a significant difference - what is this soldier doing, and is he getting any respect? In the first picture, it looks like his hand is up just to counter-balance himself as he's walking. In the composite, it looks like he's waving at people and they are dutifully following his orders.

      I was the main non-sports fotographer for a newspaper in college & talked with my editor about this. Sure, you can digitally take out something as simple as a fence that's blocking a view, but then that implies that there is no fence to block the view (and thus no security/privacy barrier). And that's not the truth.

      So, I agree with the editors here. No manipulation should be tolerated at all. The covers of magazines are different, though (and legally recogonized as different, too) - they serve as an attraction to buy the magazine, and not news reporting.

    9. Re:What's the big deal? by guido1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gee, I saw the 3 photographs and really don't see what the big deal is.

      Directly from the article:

      Journalism ethics forbid changing the content of news photographs, and it is specifically barred in the newspaper's policy.

      So, he violated his employers policy, and he exercised bad ethics. Pretty simple...

    10. Re:What's the big deal? by BastardSonOfRave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The news itself is horribly altered and biased, what makes this little Photoshop edit such a big deal?

    11. Re:What's the big deal? by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I bet some of the cameras being used by the photographers don't have "red eye" reduction....

      C'mon folks, let's look at this more critically.


      Ok... red eye reduction removes something that wasn't there originally. Unless the person you took a photograph has bright red eyes you are removing something that the camera artifically inserted into the image. The same goes with removing lense flair, colour balance correction, etc. This is *totally* different than manipulating the image by adding or subtracting content.

    12. Re:What's the big deal? by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The original and re-touched photograph are conveying the same thing

      That's not exactly true. Photographs can give different impressions of the same incident. I was listening to NPR yesterday, (I can't remember which show, so believe me or don't. I think it was The Conversation) and one of the callers used the photo as evidence of how cruel the US and British forces were. The comment went something like, "Look at the LA times picture of the soldier pointing his gun and yelling at children! It does look more like the guy is pointing his gun at the man carrying the child in the doctored photo. Innocent manipulation or not, the photo was used for propaganda.

    13. Re:What's the big deal? by darco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I got an entirely different feeling.

      The combined picture seems harsher. The impression that I got from the combined image: An Iraqi father who has concerns for his child being harshly rebuked by an American soldier. The impression is given that the American soldier is asserting his authority over the Iraqi.

      Neither of the other images depict this conflict.

      The difference is subtle, but IMHO significant.

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    14. Re:What's the big deal? by unitron · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "If I'm on the jury, I would automatically acquit at that point."

      In a real court, you wouldn't get the chance. The judge would either declare a mistrial or dismiss the charges, either with or without prejudice. Probably with.

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    15. Re:What's the big deal? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you kidding? In the second original photo, the barrel of the gun is facing an Iraqi man carrying his child. In the modified picture, the barrel of the gun is facing safely away, and the soldier looks like he's closer to the vierwer.

    16. Re:What's the big deal? by Smallpond · · Score: 2, Interesting

      " The point is that _anything_ doctored cannot be considered news. If that became standard practice it would be so easy to abuse."

      So if the photographer poses the subjects, she should be fired? I don't think theres much difference between telling people where to stand before you take the shot and splicing them together after you take it. The journalistic principles that you are describing went overboard once prime time news became a big revenue generator for TV stations.

    17. Re:What's the big deal? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Who cares? The entire idea of an objective media is completely at odds with reality, and incidents like these merely serve to trumpet the media's own idea of itself. What the photographer did was entirely reasonable, however the media likes to pretend that they'd never show a doctored photograph, with the ridiculous conclusion that if photodoctoring was done often they'd eventually show a picture of George Bush shaking hands with Hitler someday.

      Look, either you trust your media outlet, or you don't. If you trust them, it's OK to retouch meaningless pictures with a bit of photoshop. If you don't, photo doctoring doesn't make a bit of a difference. This whole story just makes everyone briefly question their trust of the media, and of course the media uses its powers to immediately crush any question by firing the footsoldier who pulled the trigger.

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    18. Re:What's the big deal? by nentwined · · Score: 2, Informative

      you actually misread what the guy said. he was trying to ascertain whether "you" (the slashdot crowd) thought folks that *didn't* use red-eye reduction should be fired. try reading it again.

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    19. Re:What's the big deal? by rilian4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok... red eye reduction removes something that wasn't there originally. Unless the person you took a photograph has bright red eyes you are removing something that the camera artifically inserted into the image.

      Not true at all. The back of the eye actually is red. When a bright light is shown directly into the iris, the tissue at the back can be seen. It really is red. You just don't see it because the iris is designed to capture light for viewing not reflect it but a camera flash sends too much light in at once. Hence...redeye.

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  3. Basic concept of news reporting by Gorbie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this were an artistic piece for a magazine, no problem. Hair on Christie Brinkley's upper lip, no problem.

    A war photo that is altered so the depiction is inaccurate is unacceptable on any scale. There is not concrete place you can draw a line and say "this much alteration is okay, but this much changes the story".

    News commentary can be editorialized by any anchor. Pictures and video have alway been held in higher standing for thier direct integrity. This will rais equestions.

    1. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by patbob · · Score: 3, Interesting
      There is not concrete place you can draw a line and say "this much alteration is okay, but this much changes the story"

      I disagree. Some alterations can and must be done, some are acceptable, some are questionable, and yet others are downright unethical.

      Debayering the image that comes off the CCD is a must. Sharpening it a little to make up for the lack of resolution the CCD's color mask introduces is clearly in the acceptable category. Further sharpening to make the image come out in print better is (IMHO) in the questionable category. These are all mechanical alterations, done to the entire image, some of them even without the user's knowledge.

      Then there's the manipulations that are intended to mislead. The ones that replace details, selectively obscure them or selectively emphasize them with an intent to deceive by not mentioning that they were manipulated. That's how I came to have a page of our local newspaper on my wall at work that features a 3 ft (1m) lotus bloom. Its also where the picture (I wish I had saved) that features two discrete planes of focus that could not possibly have been captured photographically (too many clues that indicate otherwise). Had these not been presented by an organization that attempted to tell me that they were accurate representations of reality, I would have let it pass.

      As for pictures being held to a higher standard for their "direct integrity", they have never been truely accurate representations of what the photographer's eye saw. In fact, a lot of early photography was explicitly an intent to deceive the eye through manipulation. Holding photographs in such high regard as bastions of truth and integrity is probably a mistake.

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    2. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by isomeme · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The odd thing is that all photographs we see in print or on major media outlets are altered. Either in the darkroom or using a computer, photographs are routinely cropped, retinted, lightened or darkened, and otherwise manipulated to make them easier or more pleasing to view.

      Some will argue that this is qualitatively different from rearranging content in the photograph, but the line is actually rather vague. For example, if you show someone aiming a gun, but crop out the target they were aiming at, the nature of the image changes. If you manipulate light and dark areas to minimize or emphasize the size of a crowd, ditto. Yet this sort of manipulation is almost as old as the camera (and certainly extends back into painting and drawing, which are of course far more subjective).

      So the real issue is where to draw the line, given that image manipulation is happening all the time.

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    3. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by leery · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Pictures and video have alway been held in higher standing for thier direct integrity."

      They shouldn't be. Retouching aside, all photographs editorialize: by including or excluding elements and context (both space and time), distorting perspective, and otherwise presenting an isolated instant from a specific point of view. Even simple choices like using black and white or color film, telephoto or wideangle lens, distort reality and affect how the event is perceived.

      We should be even more vigilant against this kind of manipulation, whether or not it is intentional, because it happens on a more visceral and gestalt level than mere words.

      Obvious example: if instead of the picture in question, the LA Times had run a picture of a pile of burnt corpses, it would have set a different tone for the day's news before we even started reading the stories. Subtle example: i saw a TV correspondent report in from a Washington briefing room with the American flag dominating the background of the frame, a la Presidential speeches. This was an editorial decision that implies things beyond the scope of mere reporting.

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    4. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by Gorbie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are nit-picking wording. The photographer altered the content.

      Nobody recognizes adding a sharpening filter as "alteration". It is enhancement. Getting rid of CCD artifacts does not change the content of the photo.

      Enhancing the lighting/brightness/sharpness of a photo is entirely necessary in the print world. The is especially true in newsprint. You could not print a photo without some enhancement, because the colorspace that digital imaging devices use is not a printable colorspace..

    5. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by Gorbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thing is this. Once you show a different picture as news than the one that actually happened, you are representing something that never happened as news. Yes, the new image is a facsimile of what happened, and probably a darn good interpretation that conveys the message as well as the original, if not better than it. But it never existed.

    6. Re:Basic concept of news reporting by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your argument seems to boil down the the idea that a manipulated photograph may not be deceptive. It may communicate what had actually happened. Especially in the case, where the photo happened, but you just didn't get it captured correctly in one shot.

      But as others here have argued, where is the line to be drawn? So who's judgement call is it whether an altered photograph is manufacturing the news? Where does the slippery slope end? It's not that your arguments are bad ones.

      By having a policy of allowing digitally altered photos, I now have to wonder how real any photo is from news organization X. Not only do I have to pay attention for whatever their particular bias is (and all news has a bias); but now I have to wonder about every single image I see. Now I can't trust what I read, nor what I can even see.

      Next, let's have altered video clips. If I couldn't get the shot quite correct, let's reproduce "reality" in a Hollywood studio set. It will turn out on 70 mm film much better than the reporter's video camera anyway.

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  4. How about Taco? by vivek7006 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Only after the altered photo appeared Monday did editors notice that some civilians in the background appeared twice"

    OK now fire Taco next time he posts a story twice !!

  5. Should I trust... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> To paraphrase Pink Floyd, "Mother, should I trust the government?"..."

    The real question is
    Should I trust "Mainstream media".

    Add to this investiagte why Peter Arnett was fired from CNN a few years ago. Read what Harry Stein wrote in his Autobiography about stories he made up to make his political point.

    This is not the government, it's the free press.

  6. huh? by Bobman1235 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to paraphrase Pink Floyd, "Mother, should I trust the government?

    While I respect your taste in music -- HUH? The guy was an LA Times photographer. Nowhere does he state that he has any affiliation with the government. The modification in question does not actually change much in the photo (I do NOT deny that it is wrong, just stating that it is not in any way propoganda IN THIS CASE). Don't blame the government for EVERYTHING.

    In other news, Kudos to the times for catching the guy, and also for admitting and publishing the "error."

    1. Re:huh? by k3v0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i dont think the government was what was meant. if it was truly a paraphrase, the editor should have said "mother can I trust the corporately funded news media outlet to give the truth regardless of whether or not they doctor the photos"

    2. Re:huh? by Matt+-+Duke+'05 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, the original poster was just pandering to the mindless slashbots who see anything negative or the least bit suspicious as a part of a conspiracy by the RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft/Federal Government to outlaw Linux, kill babies, and enslave the world. What's nice about it this time is that for once, the little snide commentary comes in italics, as part of the posters words. Nine times our of ten, similarly paranoid remarks appear as the EDITOR's words. If you believe that this LA Times reporter violated his committment to journalistic integrity and OBJECTIVITY by using these photos, I suggest you take a closer look at Slashdot itself. The spin that gets put on the articles is just absolutely ridiculous.

      On a side note... you might find it interesting to note that the United States Department of Defense wrote a memo entitled "An Assessment of International Legal Issues in Information Operations." Basically, the paper is a review of information warfare tactics, and an analysis of whether or not some aspects of information warfare violate the Geneva Convention and other international treaties regarding the rules of war. The report concludes that, "Similarly, it might be possible to use computer 'morphing' techniques to create an image of the enemy's chief of state informing his troops that an armistice or cease-fire agreement had been signed. If false, this would also be a war crime."

      So, despite the fact that the government had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with this story, even if they did, the government cannot digitally alter wartime photos because it violates the Geneva Convention. Granted, there are other things that one might be inclined NOT to trust the government for, but this is NOT one of them. Please move along...

      -Matt

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    3. Re:huh? by Wannabe+Code+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, despite the fact that the government had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with this story, even if they did, the government cannot digitally alter wartime photos because it violates the Geneva Convention. Granted, there are other things that one might be inclined NOT to trust the government for, but this is NOT one of them. Please move along...

      Do you seriously believe that the current administration cares at all about international treaties and conventions? Just look at the treaties we've pulled out of so far.

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    4. Re:huh? by Snaller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, despite the fact that the government had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with this story, even if they did, the government cannot digitally alter wartime photos because it violates the Geneva Convention

      Which only means that they'll declared the Geneva Convetion unapplicable and dot it anyway.

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  7. Here is a quick image analysis quiz by apankrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Which one is the original - this or this.

    The consensus on the BBS I found these at was that both are touched. Go figure.

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    1. Re:Here is a quick image analysis quiz by SerialHistorian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are both touched. In the msnbc.com one, you can see that the front underside of the tank has been retouched using the 'rubber stamp' tool. I'm not sure what's been removed, but it might be a piece of equipment. It seems that the boy was genuinely there, though. The shadows match. In the milanet.ie one, the boy has been removed. You can tell because the armored plates and cables that are along the front of the tank don't match up anymore. Additionally, there is some false shadowing on the underside of the gun barrel that I can't explain. I'm not sure that's a US tank, by the way.

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    2. Re:Here is a quick image analysis quiz by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wasn't a rubber stamp, comparison to photo elsewhere indicates it seems to be a lightening tool to improve visibility of boy. See my comments elsewhere in the thread.

      And it is indeed an old photo, of an Israeli tank.

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    3. Re:Here is a quick image analysis quiz by Gauchito · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not an American tank. It's an Israeli Merkava, I think. Besides the shape of the tank, American tanks don't have reactive armor (explosive plates that are intended to divert the hot plasma jet from HEAT weapons, like anti-tank missles), which is those big blocks you see strewn all over the tank.

    4. Re:Here is a quick image analysis quiz by dmeranda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The second one (without the boy) is obviously faked, and rather poorly. Some obvious indications:

      Look at the grassline underneath the tank. See the regular vertical bands on the concrete wall just above the grass and below the tank. Those lines fall in direct line with both the blocky pattern of the grass as well as small brighter higlights on the underneath side of the tank (look closely). Obviously stamping the same pattern across the image, but the stamp includes the grass, the wall, and part of the tank; a dead giveaway.

      On the front edge of the tank where the transition is to the underneath side there is a row of attached square reactive plate armor. Notice that above each is what looks like a horizontal hinge. Now on the second image those plates which fall behind where the boy should be have no attachment "hinge". And there are two out of place half-width plates where all other plates are more nearly square. Also the center outer block is missing...it would seem a lot easier to take this out than to put it in.

      Now look at the ground which lies behind where the boy's legs would be. There is a very definite line-pattern there that looks sort of like tread marks, but is too regular. It certainly doesn't match the texture of the rest of the dirt. Also at the angle in which the light is shining any horizontal tread marks, if there, should be pratically invisible. And you can also see the same block repeated several times...way to regular to be real.

      As for the first image, it's not as clearly a fake as the second. But there are small indications which look like some attempt was made to burn (lighten) parts of the tank underside, perhaps to provide more contrast? As another reader pointed out, the boy's empty hand has an unusual lightness to it as if a brush was swiped across it. Also the darker halo around the boy traces his outline fairly well, but especially under his armpit there is a clear circular curve where you can almost tell the exact brush size that had been used. Of course film optics can also produce this halo-like effect in certain light, so it's not clear cut.

      Of course this begs the question (if my analysis is correct), the second image where the boy was removed is definitely unethical for news reports. But is it unethical to do minor corrections such as white balancing, darking or lightening incorrect exposures, etc as maybe was been done to the first?

    5. Re:Here is a quick image analysis quiz by srn_test · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See http://king.fn.com.au/~srn/tank_diff.jpg one image minus the other. There's clearly been some work done around the boy, which indicates he was removed and some blending done to cover the gap.

      The shadows around his feet (of him) are unchanged in the shot without him, which implies also that he was in the original shot.

  8. It's time like this... by friedegg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That I bet a few photographers miss Stalin.

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  9. Altering news photos is like changing the facts... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Altering the substantive content of news photos is like altering the facts in the story, and is a journalistic no-no. Small corrections for contrast and minor dodging and burning are acceptable (an example of what I think is not acceptable is when that image of O.J. Simpson was burned out to make him look really evil on that magazine cover...)

    Photography is already biased enough depending on what you LEAVE OUT of the photo, or how you juxtapose certain elements, or use telephoto to change the size-distance ratio of objects. Use a long enough lens, and it looks like the kid running across the street is about to be bowled over by the tank, when in fact the tank is a block away.


    Anything other than news photos and it's fair game.

  10. Where's Waldo? by Ridge · · Score: 5, Funny

    I looked for 20 minutes and I couldn't find him anywhere!

    1. Re:Where's Waldo? by shiflett · · Score: 5, Informative

      Assuming you are looking here, "Waldo" is (I think) a few different people, mainly the guy to the left on the soldiers leg in the top-left photo (the guy looking left who has something red around his neck).

      In the top-right photo, the same guy is partially blocked by the soldier, but you can still see his knee and back. On the doctored photo, this guy appears on both the right and left side of the soldier's leg. In addition, there are two people a bit more in the distance behind "Waldo" who also appear to the right and left. Since the angle chanegd slightly between photos, these people were duplicated.

      Those three are the only duplicates; the crowd to the right of the soldier in the doctored photo is identical to the crowd in the top-right photo. To the left of the soldier's leg is the crowd as seen in the top-left photo.

  11. Re:Link to the photos by missing000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or get it from the horses mouth here

  12. the ny post does this and the front page by meatbridge · · Score: 5, Funny

    they photoshoped the heads of wiesels onto the bodies of the french and german government. photoshop has no place in news gathering.

  13. Why this is a big deal by divide+overflow · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Yes, the modifications were mostly compositional, but there is a *very good reason* for the L.A. Times banning the alteration of photos: because once you do it, the only difference between minor compositional alterations and ones that change the content in more significant ways is *just a matter of degree*. In other words, once you cross that threshold, the amount of alteration or significance of the alteration that is permissible is only a matter of judgement, a moving line in the sand. Banning such alteration of photographs outright shows good judgement by the publisher and demonstrates their commitment against the falsification of photographic evidence.

    Of course, this does nothing to prevent completely staged photographs, but at least it's something.

  14. Impermissible by mtcrowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the real problem with the unannounced altering of photos is that it has the ability to alter the meaning of a situation. I'm somewhat amazed at any discussion that argues that this is alright to do in any way, such as when the alteration does not change the fundamental nature of the shot.

    The danger in allowing such discussion to breed is that it opens photographs to subjectivity. The editors alter photos to make them more dramatic, create more of an impact. But they are forging an image that did not exist in reality!

    Altering photographs without providing a notice to the viewers allows the editors to become part of the story, enhancing and molding it, providing their own subliminal opinion, rather than reporting on it and allowing the reader to make up their own judgement. It's my opinion that media opinion and prejudice is already pervasive in news reporting worldwide, not just in the U.S. media.

    We do not need any more opinions in our news, especially when those opinions are disguised as fact. If the situation wasn't dramatic enough, then it doesn't deserve to be 'pumped up' for our modern senses.

  15. Touched up photos by Restil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Almost all commercial photography is touched up in some way. Almost any stripmall photography place will touch up photographs to remove skin blemishes and artifacts in the picture, for a price. However, there is a big difference between altering a model pose where you're buying the perfect look, and a news photo where you're buying (supposively) unbiased fact.

    A local newspaper had a similar problem with this a few years back. They were doing a story on teenage drug use in schools and used as a picture, the photograph of a girl bent over into her locker, snorting something. The photograph was a posed one, and was identified as such in the fine print of the article, but enough people got outraged, thinking that it was so prevalant that a roving news crew was able to catch such an event, taking place so casually. This gave the impression of the problem seeming worse than it actually was.

    However, for news organizations, if they're going to modify images, make it obvious. Nobody gets upset about a collage mix of multiple images to represent a theme. But if the resulting image is represented as a single snapshot in time, you start to cross ethical boundaries.

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  16. The big deal is journalistic integrity by doublem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a former journalism student and someone who has been in print a few times in High School and College, I think I can say what part of the Big Deal is.

    Journalism is supposed to be accurate and unbiased. In practice this rarely happens, but the theory is there. The paper has a policy forbidding the modifying of photos, and they enforce it.

    It's similar to the honor code many schools use. Cheating only hurts the student in the long run, but it can still get them kicked out of the school.

    The point is the moral and ethical code. Journalists have a moral imperative to report the truth, and any modification, any stretching of the truth is a step down a slippery slope towards outright lies and falsehoods.

    The photographer was fired for good reason. A modified photo is fine as a piece of "art" but as journalism it brings the entire publication's integrity and honesty into question.

    I could go on, but my hope is that the majority of the people reading this thread realize that what the photographer did was a violation. It's not like photoshopping a playboy shoot to remove a pimple. This is falsifying the news. It's a small fake, a minor tweak, but it's still presenting falsehood as reality.

    And before you make a wise ass reply about the fallacy of journalistic integrity in the real world, keep in mind, I did say "In practice this rarely happens".

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    1. Re:The big deal is journalistic integrity by zenyu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Journalism is supposed to be accurate and unbiased. In practice this rarely happens, but the theory is there. The paper has a policy forbidding the modifying of photos, and they enforce it.

      It's not enforced at any newspaper. Often just cropping the image can completely change the meaning of the photograph. Also dodging, burning, red eye removal is sometimes required to get a "professional looking" photo. I think he crossed the line, and they did the right thing. But I wish it were done to creative croppers too, but when caught I bet most of them just get a slap on the wrist.

      I hope Mr. Walski is picked up by another outfit with the lesson learned. If I had seen the modified photograph first I'd have felt cheated, but I don't think the meaning was changed by the editing. The originals told the same story, just less compactly, either of them with a tag line would have made a good news photograph.

  17. What about Bert? by Chibi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, if this is fake, then is it possible that Bert is not evil?!

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  18. I used to work in pre-press by spun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This happens more often than you think. Hopefully not for journalistic photos, mind you. But advertisers modify pictures all the time. Or did you really think that models always have perfect skin? Thank you, smudge tool!

    I recently did some work for a friend who is putting on a play (shameless plug, if you live in San Francisco, go see "Shirley Mental") and she had taken some publicity photos. Unfortunately, none of them were perfect, so she had me combine the background from one with actors in another, and in another case remove a third actor from a shot to more prominently feature two others.

    For journalistic photos, though, it would be unethical. Oddly enough, simply cropping an unacceptable bit out of a photo would probably be considered okay with most papers. Adding things is a definite no-no.

    I can understand how a journalist could forget that though, considering how easy it is to modify photos. In many cases, it wouldn't matter, but a newspaper simply can't afford to be seen as making things up. They can't have people questioning whether what they see in a paper is real or not.

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  19. Fixing this problem... by rmdyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Every camera sold can have internal circuitry to take the CCD image and perform an MD5 hash of the pic. The MD5 hash would then be XOR'd with a one-time-pad. The OTP would be burned into the camera at the factory and would be inaccessable from outside the camera CPU. The OTP would then be databased (also inaccessibly) into the grand federal OTP camera registry database. The OTP having been XOR'd with the MD5 hash of the pic, would then be put into the pic filename. Now, whenever someone wants to check to see if the picture has been unaltered they just have to go to the federal camera database website and submit the picture. The backend will then validate the pic.

    Will it be done? Not in your lifetime.

    +2 cents contributed.

  20. In other news... by DailyGrind · · Score: 5, Funny

    A bank employee was fired for combining his account with that of a customer with a much higher balance.

    When asked about the reason for his actions he simply stated that the combined balanced looked much more dramatic on his bank statements.

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  21. Another example from Time by pclminion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Look at Time magazine from last week (the one with the big "Gulf War II" on the cover). Flip open to somewhere in the middle, where they have a section on various historical events of the 20th century. One of the article sections shows a photograph of a woman sitting in front of a medical tent during the Depression. The woman has her hand near her face, held in a position as if she were holding a cigarette. However, the cigarette is nowhere to be found. It has been removed from the photo.

    If you have a copy of the mag sitting around, please look at the photo and tell me if you agree.

    I find it sickening that a supposedly respectable publication would edit historical photographs for the sake of modern political correctness. We wouldn't want our young kids learning that, way back during the Depression, people smoked cigarettes, would we?

    1. Re:Another example from Time by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This sort of thing has an old and "distinguished" history. Not just about modern political correctness.

      Scientific American had a neat article couple of years back on the rising and falling tides of American alcohol consumption that included a picture of George Washington toasting other founding fathers.

      The updated version during the prohibition had removed the bottle from the table, and the glass from Washington's hand. One couldn't have the father of America *drinking*.

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    2. Re:Another example from Time by rnelsonee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I must say, I don't think she was holding a cigarette in the first place. I've got the mag in front of me (page A15). I hold my hand up to my head like that a lot. It's a pose I use when I'm thinking or concentrating a lot. Note her fingers are pressed up to her jawbone. A smoker would not have a cigarette that far behind the mouth, let alone having fingers that close to the jaw (the filter would be pressed against your flesh). Just my two cents, really, but two fingers against the neck doesn't mean there was a cigarette there....

  22. Check out this criminal activity by hottoh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oprah's head on Ann-Margret's body. It is from 1980 I think.

    http://www.uturn.org/Fingering/opra.jpg

  23. Re:Back at the beginning.. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Informative

    here you go: http://www.uscoles.com/pclens.htm

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  24. Give me scissors, I'll give you the news by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm sorry, but a photo doesn't meen that much. Where I put the photo with regards to an apparently unrelated headline or another photo can slant the news.

    Sorry, a photograph, as in silver nitrate can be manipulated in the dark-room so why is anyone suprised about digital manipulation. The only difference is the process is faster and less smelly.

    As regards journalisitic integrity, I'm sorry but there is none. Most journalists give the reports that their employers want, i.e. "Is there anyone here who has been raped who speaks English?". Of course they only tell the truth but it is a keyhole view of the truth. Both the original photo and the presentation can change the perceived meaning 100%.

  25. OJ Simpson in NY Times "darkened" by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Analog photos can be altered too. One is by setting lighting and degree of focusing. The NY Times Sunday magazine uses portrait photos with harsh lighting- wrinkles, acne scars, blush marks, become pronounced. This the opposite of "air brushing" or softening frequently done in yearbook and wedding photos. I find these harshened portraits interesting.

    The color of photos can be changed too. "Fuji-izing" is brightening hues beyond reality. Home photographers think this makes better pictures. At least one major film vendor builds this into their film.

    An interesting controversy about eight years ago was a NY Times magazine piece on OJ Simpson. Readers complained his cover photo was darker than reality, making look like an African menance.

    1. Re:OJ Simpson in NY Times "darkened" by autocracy · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually, Fuji Velvia slides are notorious for their extreme saturation of colors, and it makes for incredible landscape photos. It's also the WORST idea for portrait photography.

      Part of the problem with photography is that a picture on film (or nowadays digital) is not the same as what you see. For any photo, the lightness / darkness is partly subjective to the settings on the camera, and greatly subjective to the person handling processing. "Dodging and burning" or darkening and lightening portions of an image to bring out masked detail is a common practice, and most (99.999% I'd say) photographers consider a dodged and burnt image to be unaltered unless it makes the image appear truly different than the scene it was taken from. Color photos are even more confusing, because the human mind compensates for variations in lighting, while film doesn't (except for built-in biases to certain lights per film). Colors also have to be adjusted during printing using a system of filters.

      Photo.net has what I consider an authoritive determination of what is classified as altered, and I suspect for those not familiar with photography, it will give you a bit of an idea about just how subjective a printed image can be, from the type of paper used, to the amount of contrast in the print, to the dodging and burning, and the color compensation... and these are all AFTER exposure considerations. Many more considerations can be made before the exposure!

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  26. Note on staff lists of Cosmopolitan Magazine .... by adzoox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There used to a note on the "staff listings" page inside every Cosmoplitan Magazine.

    "Models that appear in this magazine may have certain features enhanced or exagerated. The pictures in this magazine should be construed as fantasy imagery only."

    The layout department for Sports Illustrated was on I think the "Best Damn Sports Show Period" saying that most of the swimsuit models legs are elongated and breast "bubbled" after the shoot with PowerBook G4s on spot and then further at headquarters. He made a joke saying that Niki Taylor was so short and they wanted her on a two page wide spread. So, they lengthened her legs. If she were real, she'd me Yao Ming's sister!

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  27. Scientology paved the way! by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Informative
    Granted it certainly was "journalism", but remember the infamous Scientology event were they released photos which had been clumsily doctored to make the crowd look larger. This is the one where they grew hair on a bald guy, and had an appearance of the Man With No Head.

    Scientology has been caught retro-doctoring photos Stalin style to remove people after they've fallen out of favour, like Reed Slatkin who's in big trouble for a long-running investment ponzi scam.

    I hope the press has better ethics than Scientology.

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  28. Re:Where's Waldo by EricWright · · Score: 2, Informative

    Someone else pointed this out... In the left hand original at this site, there is a guy squatting in the foreground at the bottom left corner of the picture. He's got a red and white bandana around his neck. In the picture on the right, he's now partially obscured by the soldier, but you can see his back just to the right of the soldier's leg. In the composite, you see both.

    It becomes fairly obvious when you inspect the crease in his clothes formed by his upper and lower leg, and the pattern of dirt smudged on his knee.

    You can tell the photographer changed perspective slightly by noting the position of the blue water cooler. It's pretty much in the middle of the left picture, fairly unobscured. In the right picture, it's now only visible between the arm and leg of the squatting man in the white tunic. Taking that shift in perspective into account, it becomes pretty obvious that the red/white bandana man is in the composite picture twice.

  29. in case any one is confused by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    --maybe not, but just in case, this is for the people here in other countries who might think it's all lock step goose steppers here based on those phony polls they run. I'm a "constitutionalist" now, well, call myself that, because those goons running the political show have sullied the term "conservative", I have been one for 4 decades (close) now, the difference is, I don't believe in murder, theft and crooked international business intrigue as a means to an end like the goons are doing now. Bill O'Reilly and goofballs like Michael Savage and gasbag Rush to psyops Limbaugh aren't real classic american conservatives. They are dangerous huckstering fascists, big time wrestling comes to news and commentary, paid off goons. They are part of whipping up the war and "terror" hysteria now in anticipation of the creation of the new Brownshirts, version 2.0., to go along with Patriot Act and Homeland Security and whatnot.

    It's a junta, so I'll just call it that. Junta. And the brownshirts are coming, inevitable now.

    The new (sorta) term for them is "neoconservative". That is too polite a term, IMO. I prefer fascist goons. Lying Thugs is good too. Real US conservatives are much more inclined to be isolationists/non interventionists when it comes to foreign military adventures, it's just now, with neocon fascists "in power" in the administration, they have hijacked the term "conservative". And there's a large percentage of the population, not a majority by any means but still large, who don't have much public voice, but are both conservative, patriotic, non war mongering, and aren't faked out by those goons, they just aren't in any leadership positions in the R party because they aren't crooks, and they certainly are in the minority in the mainstream US broadcast media, which now is a blend of neocon and naieve-brand liberalism. Sad but true. There is no "classical" Liberalism (which is a decent philosophy, more similar to what is called Libertarianism now) nor Old Fashioned conservatism or "paleoconservativism" (again, decent, different but still decent, tending to more protectionism,less "foreign entanglements", much smaller government, etc) represented, except mostly on the net and on shortwave and on forums.

    With that said,politics aside, the photo altering story is a good headsup, along with the news anchors using phony backdrops and other sorts of digital altering techniques. Remember the bushgoon puppet-in-chief in front of the phony backdrop painted to look like "made in america" crates of product? That was another photo/video propaganda psyops move. I imagine some arabic sites and europaen sites are doing similar, too, it's just too easy to fake stuff now.

    What's the quote? "In war, the truth is the first victim"

    The photos are starting to be fake, the text has been highly altered and spun, constantly. All you need to do is use google news, pick any breaking story, look at a half dozen different versions of it from around the world. Altering just a few words and adding in a few choice trigger buzz words can spin the same exact story in several different directions. Example, this works both ways, from either side, just some examples on how this war gets reported: The "enemy" doesn't have "soldiers" they have "terrorists". The "badguys" are cheating and doing sneaky things that are "warcrimes", the "good guys" use special operations or commando techniques and pull off "specatacular and brave and daring raids".

    And stuff like that there.

    When I am reading the "war news" now, I take the very highs and the very lows from all the sources, and throw them away, then average the middle, that is most likely the closest to any sort of "truth" being reported.

  30. Any respectable news org would have done the same. by DeusExLibris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having worked for both USA Today and washingtonpost.com, I can tell you that know responsible news organization would tolerate this kind of behavior. Most have very explicit standing policies against digitally altering photos for publication with severe consequences (including termination) for violation of the policy.

    While this seems a pretty clear cut violation, there is also some room for debate as to the proper role of Photoshop. Is cropping for presentation acceptable? Color correction? Graphical overlays (to point out characteristics of the photo or enhance the nformation value)? How about masking out someone who's permission you couldn't get for the photo?

    Remember that the key asset of any news organization is the public's trust that they are reporting the "facts". While there is no real expectation of complete objectivity, altering the truth the fit your perspective will always be unacceptable. When you alter a photograph with the intent of changing it's meaning (even if it supports the other facts in the story), it erodes that trust.

  31. Do it for a living by Keighvin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay, there have been several comments on this so far but I feel obligated to chime in since digital photo enhancement/adjustment/manipulation is part of my occupation.

    The photo, with the boy, is real. Dispite the fact that the selective discoloration appears to be conveniently placed on the tank directly behind him, those things do happen in photography. All the shadows match the lighting angles and the objects in the scene, given that the sun was at a very low angle and the shadows compressed (vertically, extended laterally) by the angle of the photographer. Any manipulation which may have been done is not distinguishable at this resolution.

    The boy *removed* is most obviously fabricated for reasons both editorial (with regards to composition) and technical. Technically: the yellow material visible against the structure in the background behind and underneath the tank (which looks to be signage or equipment, it's difficult to make out given the depth of field used) is utterly plagued by a patterned replication, showing unskilled cloning tool usage. The front armor is not only magically repaired in this version, but also has tiles which mirror each other at their joint. The now inexplicable shadow which matched the boy previously remains, and is too sharp to be cast in conjunction with the antenna (or whatever it may be) contributing to the one next to it, even given the vertical/perspective shadow compression which makes this a more forgiving detail.

    Editorially, that's *not* the way to shoot a tank. Were it the subject, the depth of field is acceptable but it's too large in frame which would distract from it; the image has also been shot to compress multiple planes of perspective, but the reasoning for that choice is completely devoid from this version. There remains no balance, sense of motion, or romanticism of the elements which would suggest this to be a professional photograph. Given that other talent is still obvious (use of lighting, combination of aperature use even with telephoto for precision DoF control) these omissions make it suspect. It's only when the relationship between tank and boy are present that the photo makes journalistic or artistic sense.

    It's like watching one of those "funniest home video" gag ("gag" is an editorial pun here on my part) shows where people start trying to pick apart how the situation could have happened or been staged, without noticing the signs which do not appear in *front* of the camera: filming scenes without significant memorable of photographic content, panning to locations before the action occurs in preparation, etc.

    There are multiple ways to tell a fake, and gentlemen I do tell you: the "no boy"'s a hack job.

    (As a slight aside, the tank appears to be Israeli given the modern hebrew writing thereon and was not in motion when the photograph was taken)

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  32. Re:Overreacting by VB · · Score: 2, Insightful


    A picture within a news publication is news. Within the context of fact-reporting journalism, we should be able to expect that all representations are factual and undoctored. Outside of that realm (in artistic / and other subjective contexts), we know we can't have that expectation.

    There are already some very subjective elements in news reporting and it doesn't build our diminishing trust in the media when we can no longer expect images to be accurate and undoctored.

    It wouldn't upset my news gathering experience in the least if "MS"NBC, CNN, ABC, Fox, Al Jazeera, and the rest of their ilk would just cut all the adjectives from their stories completely and leave me with facts; objective reporting. It would take less time to get caught up on current events, and let me come to my own conclusions about how I feel about what's being reported.

    I agree that in this case, the changes are pretty trivial and that firing the reporter is pretty extreme, but anything not altered from it's original visual depiction is still not fact. People are probably overreacting because there's so damn much spin in our world these days...

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  33. Photographer made many mistakes by pkinetics · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In all honesty, this is the photographers fault. His real mistake was taking bad photos. His attempt to fix this created an even bigger mistake. I take a lot of photos, and learn from them. This is how you get better. You missed the shot, you get another. But you keep your eyes open for The Shot cause its going to be there. You learn to anticipate it. You see it, you get it, you've got it. And your good. My whole point is that the photographer made mistakes and is accountable for it. The fact is he tried to cover up his mistake and got caught. Suck it up and learn. I'm guessing he caught the before and after shots, and missed the middle shot that had what he was trying to compose. Of course no photographer wants to admit missing the shot and having his/her work made the laughing stock. So you doctor the photo. Here's my question to you though. If he's worked for them for this many years, how many other important photos has he doctored? It brings his whole history into play.

  34. Fiction by ayeco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To use the insane words of Michael Moore The "doctored" photo used in publication is a view into a fictional word. And its much like Michael Moore's Columbine film where he takes a gun to the bank (they gave out certificates, not guns). I digress.

    Point is that we all believe what we see as truth. While its true that a photograph is a split second of reality, we can still pull some meaning from the image.

    Journalists misrepresent and spin the truth. We all know that, we all do that ourselves. Photojournalists do it too, but to manipulate a photograph to create a fake, or fictional, reality is worse than composing a shot. I trusted the image as truth, but that scene never existed.

    It doesn't matter whether or not how the photo was manipulated. To adjust the scene to mean something positive or negative is irrelevant. The bottom line is that the view that we are trusting as real never happened, ever.

  35. The resulting photo is disturbing... by nortcele · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The composition and intent of the photo changed. That is what is wrong. It appears that the soldier is addressing the fellow holding the girl. Hand out and gun slightly raised. That is disturbing. And it didn't happen that way.

    The line is very fine. Removing a powerline would be okay in one instance, but not in another.

    "Let's just make the blood on these people that were killed a little more red..."

  36. Not Censorship by kaiguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to paraphrase Pink Floyd, "Mother, should I trust the government?

    This is not censorship in any way shape or form. The article makes it very clear that Times policy is that no photographs be altered. The Photographer should have been aware of this policy, and chose to ignore it. This is not a case of the government not liking what the photograph portrays and telling the newspaper not to print it. That would be censorship. Firing a photographer for violating policy is not.

    However, even if the Times themselves had not liked what the altered image showed, and pulled the photograph whatever reason (it was unpatriotic, it portrayed soldiers in an unfavorable light, etc.) even that would not be censorship. It would be a private business deciding not to show a picture for their own reasons. I've noticed that many Slashdotters don't seem to understand that censorship is only when the government forces someone to stop saying something, printing something, etc. A private business can decide not to say something, or to fire an employee for saying things that they believe are damaging to their business, and be perfectly within their rights.

    Still shouldn't trust the government though.

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  37. reaction shot by slew · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'm also in favor of the decision to let the photographer go, however, you should also aware that this kind of augmented reality place all the time in video, although not in the same way. Simple examples of temporal editing of video can create a false reality even when no pixels are doctored (this is an extension of this transgression, where the two pictures are real, but the composite is not).

    An all too common practice is a video interview technique called the "reaction shot". The way this interview production technique works is when you are interviewing someone, mostly the camera is on the interviewee, but sometimes you want the image to switch back you you while the interviewee is still talking (this is called an "reaction shot"). It can be certainly be used to manipulate the emotions of the viewer (imagine a picture of the interviewer rolling their eyes, or glaring angrily, etc, etc).

    When you see this on tv, one might think that there are two cameras and this is a contemporaneous view of you "reacting" while the interviewee is talking, but it isn't usually the case. Most reaction shots are filmed before or after the interview in the studio when the interviewee is not there since usually only one camera is used and the reaction shots are "insert-edited" with a contiguous audio track to lend the appearence of contemporaneous action.

    Ahh, the magic of television. Reaction shots are done to improve composition and production values (staring at the interviewee for a long time can make you turn the channel in boredom, and a wide pan with a single camera will get you sick like a ping-pong match). You might say that since the audio track is unedited, this is a fair representation of what occured during the interview, but it's easy to see how this can be a slippery slope. In fact in the hollywood movie, Broadcast News, they have an all too true scene about the reaction shot where William Hurt tries a few times to fake tears to improve a reaction shot.

    Although you might think that this "reaction shot" stuff is just a lot of hype, but during the Nixon-Kennedy presidential debates, it's widely thought that the reaction shots of Nixon fidgetting and sweating while Kennedy was talking likely contributed to Kennedy winning the presidency. Polling data taken after the debate seemed to give the edge to Nixon among those who heard the debate on radio, where the tv watchers gave the edge to Kennedy. You can thank Don Hewitt technical director in charge of the television switcher at the debates (who went on to be the executive producer of 60 Minutes).

    Here's a quote from a Boston Globe article which explored the question if this type of insert editing was "ethical" journalism. Something to think about when you are watching the evening news...

    In 1962, CBS president William Paley complimented correspondent Daniel Schorr on his interview with an East German leader. "What impressed me most," Paley said, "was how coolly you sat looking at hm while he talked to you like that."

    Schorr laughed. "Mr. Paley," he said, "surely you know that those were reaction shots, which were done later?"

    Paley, it seemed, didn't know. "Is that honest?" he asked.

    "That's a funny question," said Schorr. "I'm unconfortable answering it. But no, it's not."

    At Paley's instruction, CBS News established a policy prohibiting after-the-fact reaction shots. The policy was soon ignored.

    Source: Bruce McCabe, "A Hollywood Version of TV News and the Industry's Reaction to It," Boston Globe, 3 January 1988, p. B3.

  38. Re:Well, at least the conspiracy theorists... by elmegil · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I took the retouched version (I couldn't find an undoctored original), and sharpened it pretty radically, and blew it up. This will usually show stark edges where something has been pasted in. While there are some pretty stark edges, they aren't discontinuous in the way of a cut and paste. It appears at this point that someone did some pretty hamfisted burning in on the boy, which is what leads those edges around him to be so dark and leads to some extra pixelation around him. There is also some inexplicable blurring under his left foot (circled in black) and on the front of the tank (circled in white). Closer inspection does NOT look like "rubber stamp" on the front of the tank, just bad blurring. And the final key, I was thinking the colors under the tank near the boy didn't really match elsewhere under the tank, but after my sharpening it's pretty clear that the two locations I've pointed at with arrows are the same light source on similar colored materials, probably buildings or what not.

    So I concede the point. The original, with the boy, is enhanced with some blurring and some burning in, and that's about it. Personally I think they did a pretty bad job of it, but that's just my opinion, and being a bad job doesn't make it a fake.

    BTW the version without the boy given the same treatment is really obviously fake, with clear cloned/rubber stamped areas.

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  39. Ban PHOTOSHOP! by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly, the moral here is that Photoshop (and similar programs) should be made ILLEGAL.

  40. People who live in glass houses... by kungfuBreaks · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the alt.usage.english FAQ:

    The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all" (the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less", which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around 1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated from "could" ("None of these writers could care less...") Meaning- saving elaborations have also been suggested; e.g., "As if I could care less!"; "I could care less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I don't --, then I could care less." An earlier transition in which "not" was dropped was the one that gave us "but" in the sense of "only". "I will not say but one word", where "but" meant "(anything) except", became "I will say but one word."