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Astroturtle writes "Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope's powerful new Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS) have taken the deepest visible-light image ever made of the sky. The 3.5-day (84-hour) exposure captures stars as faint as 31st magnitude, according to Tom M. Brown (Space Telescope Science Institute), who headed the eight-person team that took the picture."
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May 7, 2003 | Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope's powerful new Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS) have taken the deepest visible-light image ever made of the sky.
The 3.5-day (84-hour) exposure captures stars as faint as 31st magnitude, according to Tom M. Brown (Space Telescope Science Institute), who headed the eight-person team that took the picture. This is a little more than 1 magnitude (2.5 times) fainter than the epochal Hubble Deep Fields, which were made with the Hubble's Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2. It is 6 billion times fainter than what can be seen with the naked eye.
Brown and his colleagues chose to point at a spot 1 southeast of M31, the Great Andromeda Galaxy, in order to get a census of faint stars populating M31's outer halo. The full ACS image is about 3.1 arcminutes square, the size of a sand grain held at arm's length against the sky. The ACS magnifies this small field into a vast panorama of some 300,000 stars and thousands of faint background galaxies. At M31's distance of 2.5 million light-years, the faintest of the stars are slightly less luminous than our Sun. A large fraction of the most distant galaxies appear patchy and irregular, testimony to the collisions and mergers in the early universe that built up the familiar galaxies we see closer around us today.
Most of the stars in the image indeed proved to be in M31's halo, judging from their colors and brightnesses. Moreover, they show a surprisingly wide range of estimated ages -- from 6 to 13 billion years, compared to 11 to 13 billion years for our Milky Way's halo stars. Perhaps M31 has captured and torn apart younger dwarf galaxies than our Milky Way has done. Or perhaps M31 underwent a massive, disruptive merger with a single large galaxy billions of years ago; in this scenario some of M31's younger disk stars could have been flung into its halo. Or maybe some combination of these events triggered waves of star formation in regions that ended up in M31's outer fringes.
The image was made in two colors: near-infrared and "visual" (a band spanning the part of the spectrum running from yellow through green). The renditions displayed here were crafted to resemble true-color views by interpolating from these two colors. These vignettes each show only about 1 percent of the ACS image. The full image is available from the Hubble Telescope's press site at various qualities and sizes (up to 128 megabytes), along with more highlights and a finder chart showing its relation to M31.
Plans are afoot for an even deeper "Ultra-Deep Field," which will use ACS for longer exposures in four colors and go slightly fainter still.
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How did they take this over 3.5 days? Didn't the sun get in the way? Last time I checked, only regions north of the arctic circle get no light for a few days, and that only occurs at specific times of year, so... what gives?
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Imagine a Beowulf... um. Seriously, how do you cope with reciprocity failure in a 3.5 day exposure. I would have thought that stray heat or electron flow would turn the whole image to static with such a long exposure. HST must consist of unfathomably cool (literally and figuratively) electronics.
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Just how many photons they detected for the faintest star.
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That is some very wild looking photography. I wonder if I could download the entire pic and use it as a wallpaper (I'm kidding).
I was thinking about SARS, and I actually think that a world SARS epedemy could solve a lot.
Why is that? Well - I'm speaking of a cynical point of view.
During the 80'ies and 90'ies Denmark has been recognized to be the best country in the world in terms of social welfare. But a new problem is rising in Denmark. The workers that made great welfare in the 80'ies are beginning to age and retire, but they have been lazy in terms of breeding.
I was born in 1984, and I am currently under education. Already now, I can feel problems. The government is cutting everywhere - including education. Why? Possibly because the number of workers in Denmark is steadily dropping, and our former workers are transforming into retired seniors. Now these seniors don't contribute anymore, they're an expense, since they receive social retirement money. Over $1.000 pr. month.
This means, when I am going into the working market - becoming an adult, I'll probably have to work more and pay more tax than my parents - all to finance the growing group of elderly people.
Why is this group representing a bigger share of the population than before? Well - people have less children than 50 years ago, and they live longer due to scientific/medical evolution.
So where does SARS step in?
We'll - if we look at it from a pure cynical view, SARS supposedly kills 30-50% of seniors infected, while only 3-6% of young people infected has to go....
I'm just picturing a blooming economy, a reduction in work, better schools, better hospitals, better healthcare, lower rent / more housing available, etc... The current danish state is going downhill because of the growing amount of old people. Why the hell didn't they have more children? Why didn't they secure the future economy? I feel let down by the older society...
Yes, it is egoistic, but the danish society was perfectly aware in the 70'ies that problems was arising within the next 30 years due to the falling number of births, but they chose to spend money here and now, and look. This is only the top of the iceberg. The worker/senior rate will top in 2015. So somehow, I would welcome SARS, as it solves a great threat to the danish economy. Most likely all seniors will disagree with me, but that's just their point of view.
So I am asking you? Would you prefer a world wide SARS epidemy, if you could choose?
3.4 day exposure? Even for a space-based platform, that has to be really stable to produce a good image. Does anyone out there have any info on how they maneuver the telescope to keep it pointing at the same point while minimizing shifts in the field?
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It is still pretty incredible...pointing an object the size of a bus and accurately focusing it on something the size of a spec of sand...really, really, really far away. All while moving at a relative 26,000 miles an hour or whatever to keep it up in the sky...Not to mention the orbial speed of the earth itself... Only took 8 guys, several computers, and millions of dollars worth of equipment. Oh yeah, and that one maintenance run made a few years back to keep it pointing straight.
Who is this that even the wind and the waves obey Him? Surely this computer must submit also!
And, to think I used to complain about having to get the tripod out for exposures that were longer than 1/8th of a second! I'll never comlpain about slow film or lenses again!
Yeah, and you'd think NASA could afford 1600 ASA film for the price they paid for hubble...
I mean geez!
Direct link to the full-resolution JPEG. (~4.9MB)
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http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2003/15/images
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See also the press release with tons of photos. Enjoy your new wallpaper ! :)
Here is a link to a higher resolution image.
Hubblesite.org
The image is not actually a single exposure of 3.5 days in duration, but is actually made from 250 separate exposures taken from Dec. 2 to Jan. 11, 2003. The total exposure time was 3.5 days.
For those who are interested, the original hubble press release is located here.
The site includes the image in a variety of different formats, including a 123 MB tiff file.
Aristotle writes: "Philosophers using the Bubble Head Telescope's powerful new Advanced Cognition for Sophistry (ACS) have taken the deepest thought ever thunk. The 3.5-day (84-hour) idea captures notions as powerful as 31 SBU (Silent Bob Units), according to Plato (The Platonic Academy), who headed the eight-person team that contemplated the thought."
For the love of all things scientific, have mercy on their 122MB TIFF image.
And to think that we've turned servers into slag by Slashdotting a 43kb page.
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If you look at the image, there are some odd streaks that go from red to blue (or blue to red).
I'm just curious here, what are they? I thought maybe it could be a bit of space debris that whizzed in front of the camera, but with an exposure of 3.4 days, the streak would go from one side or another.
What moves that far in 3.4 days? A comet? A meteor? A star?
And that big bright cluster in the lower bottom, what's that? It looks pretty close galaxy-wise.
It's a neat pic for sure, a little blurry, which makes it less jawdropping than other hubble efforts but makes sense for a 3.4 day exposure.
Note - I didn't make any goatse or Uranus crack this whole post. You're welcome.
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As they spin, the momentum from their motion causes the telescope to move.
Well, it's techincally a litter different than that. The wheels don't actually cause hubble to translate within a plane. Instead they rotate hubble. By turning the spinning wheels, a torque is exerted on hubble, causing it to rotate.
neurostarSomething I've wondered for a while... what's up with the points coming off the stars? I've always accepted it when I see it with my own eyes because I don't expect my own eyes to be optically perfect, so I always thought it was distortion, but looking at the full image I see that the brightest stars once again have points coming off of them in four directions. Typically they are directly up, down, left, and right, but in that image, they appear to be about five to ten degrees off that.
The biggest example I see is about 3/4s of the way to the right and about 1/5 of the way down on the image, where there is a huge-looking star.
Why four points? Why do we see them even when the star itself is not in the picture (look on the top border for examples, like the one almost directly in the middle)? I guess I would expect that if the light source is too bright the spread would be in a circular formation and simply blur the star, not blur it in just those four directions so much stronger then the rest.
Is it just QM at play? If so, why it is almost always directly up, down, left, and right, instead of random and perhaps even changing over time directions (which probably would get right back to simply looking blurred)? Detector flaws?
I know there are countless galaxies out there...but they are so far away, I was extremely surprised at how many galaxies I could see in the big 4MB JPEG.
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Modern optical/IR/UV telescopes typically have a large primary mirror, which reflects light back to a smaller secondary, which reflects the light through a small hole in the primary to the detectors. The secondary is supported by little rods. It is diffraction of light by those supports which cause stars to have distorted shapes.
(Astronomers understand the diffraction issues very well... it's usually not a problem; it just looks weird.)
- A friendly neighborhood astrophysicist
I just thought about how detailed the full size pic is, and how to appreciate that without a poster printer. I'd like to see something similar to osx's default screensavers (with the softly zooming pictures of trees/beach, etc) and have it use this picture.
I'd like to see it zoom in to the picture, while also changing x/y of the camera on a spline (etc). And each time choose a different starting point, and make it's speed adjustable.
All of those high-res pics are beautiful! maybe i'm 'a gonna dust off the 'gl..
The grandeur of such an image almost forces one to reasses their place in the world. To think that the area in the photograph is equivalent to the area covered by a grain of sand at arms length is mindnumbing. The universe is unbelieveably amazing.
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...and I can't even find my keys!
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Will be about 20 billion light years, since we think the universe is about 20 billion years old.
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For an interesting article, see:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?colID=1&articl
On parallel universes. Very interesting reading. If you're at a university, you will be able to browse the site's archives and access the nice PDF version of the article (which has the pictures supersized to full-page size).
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And to think any one of those smaller stars could have a planet orbiting it.. with its own culture and civilization and technology. Wow...
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I'd hate to have to hold my finger on the button for that long without shaking the camera.
*This is a lame joke*
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Actually, if you read the article, that globular cluster is actually one of M31's clusters. The brightest globulars around M31 are about 13th magnitude, so they are visible in amateur telescopes (although they look like faint stars).
It does show impressively how good the resolution of the photograph is.
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So I dl'd the huge tiff. Awesomeness. But I cant quite see that Galaxy...
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Rifed with Intergaltic Civil War.
Sorry, I mean Gentrification.
I guess 25 Million (?) light years just isnt enough
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http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/users/tom/mirrors/hu
is a mirror of the full JPEG - about 5M. Enjoy.
The article was slashdotted, so I just guessed from pictures. It was hard to tell, but it looked like it was in front of the galaxy. I know nothing about astronomy, though.
Something I've wondered for a while... what's up with the points coming off the stars?
As was mentioned in another post, those are diffraction spikes from the supports for the secondary mirror.
Newtonian reflectors and classical Cassegrain telescopes support their secondary mirror with "spiders" that produce diffraction spikes. There have been various efforts over the years to eliminate these from that type of telescope. One method is to seal the tube with an optical flat (a flat piece of optical glass) which supports the mirror. The trade-offs include longer times for the scopes to reach temperature equilibrium, distortion from imperfections in the optical figure of the flat, and slight light loss. Other attempts have included the use of spiders with curved support arms, which reduce or eliminates spikes at the cost of slightly degraded overall image contrast.
Other telescope types, such as refractors, Maksutovs, Schmidt-Cassegrains, and Yolo reflectors have no diffraction spikes, but they are all more optically complex (Yolos, for instance, require toroidal mirrors) and are more difficult to produce as a result. Refractors have the added problem of chromatic abberation, which is the fringing of color on the edge of bright objects. Various complex, multi-element objectives have been developed to reduce, or even practically eliminate, this problem. The problems are optical complexity, cost, and light loss. Figuring a 3-element objective lens for a refractor means grinding six optical surfaces with precise curves. Compare that to a Newtonian which has a single parabolic primary mirror and a flat optical secondary.
There are many other telescope types than the few popular types I mentioned here and each have their proponents. Most designs that have survived the test of time can be made to perform well, but each has trade-offs.
Does anyone know if there is a BitTorrent file out for the 128mb TIFF? the nasa servers are a bit slow and I feel my hardware cycles and bandwidth could be of use...
i just set the wallpaper to the 4 MB .jpg and X took it. it is amazing
Unretouched excerpt from full-resolution image.
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I believe the current estimates are 13.5 or 14 billion years, and have been for a couple of years.
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Moderators: Please don't encourage this guy in any way, even if this comment of his may very well contribute to the technical discussion.
He doesn't deserve positive karma until he learns some respect. When he learns to treat people of all colors as he wishes to be treated himself, then perhaps he can contribute to the discussion in a worthwhile manner.
What goes around, comes around. Paranoid delusions about people of other races (sexes / political and religious beliefs) are so 1700's and have no place in an advanced civilisation.
AC is absolutely right. Please mod up.
does this mean that goatse.cx is now the SECOND deepest photo ever taken?
For a guy who is supposedly an astrophysicist, he sure has a really low level of intelligence and a high level of ignorance.
We don't need any racists here. They are stupid and smell bad.
That's cool! But what do the little hamsters eat?
YOUR forfathers brought them here from Africa. fuckwit.
I demand more information!
Because of the nature of some posters/moderators on /., you felt that was a necessary fact to point out.
It's a game. Click the link. A very politically incorrect game but so what? Not the first we've seen (Redneck Rampage to name just one other). For crying our loud, people get so touchy any time anyone tries to poke fun at race. Get over it.
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I'll have to do a bit of karma-whoring on a regular basis, just to keep my default post score above 0. If you're a racist, and a moderator, feel free to throw me some points, just to keep my posts visible.
Please consider your moderations carefully.
The post is relevant and unoffensive. You take offense to his username and profile. I don't like his opinions any more than you, perhaps, but I'm not wasting today's precious mod points on someone's lifestyle choice. What if his u/n was I'm a Queer?
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Is there anyone else out there who read the title and was let down by the fact that this had nothing to do with pornography?...
The most intersting thing about these images now is the fact that they are not blurred:
This Nature article describes how....hmmm I had better quote:
"As a beam of starlight hops towards us through countless Planck times, its speed varies. This would smear the beam out so that different parts arrive at different times and distort our picture of where it came from. The longer the journey, the bigger the smear."
So that means that these deep Hubble photographs should all get more blurry the deeper you look and not razor sharp like we have come to love.
Its a fascinating problem!
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I've read that paper, and there's a major problem - they do the calculation in the direction of propogation, but then try to use the result in the transverse direction. You can't do that. No one's done the calculation in the transverse direction, so we still don't know what the theoretical prediction should be.
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a = angle subtended by capture (radians) = 2*pi*3.1/(360*60) = .000901
.0000008118
.0000000646
b = area of capture on a sphere of radius 1 =approx= a^2 =
c = fraction of entire sphere = b/(4*pi) =
d = number of visible stars in entire sky = 300000/c = 4,643,000,000,000
So that means almost 5 trillion stars are visible by Hubble in the entire sky. That's a lot of stars to catalog. (Assuming I didn't err like they did in the $97 trillion RIAA calculation... someone pls double check and flame me if appropriate.)
But it kinda looks like that second spheroid nebula from the left had his eyes closed...
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Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone--
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
--Job 38:4-7
Ok, here's the calculation for you curious types, regarding how many photons arrived from the faintest star in the picture:
Let's suppose that the picture was taken in the "V" filter. I just happen to have the number of photons per second per meter squared that arrive from a star of 20th magnitude: 86.157. (taken from here ).
So the faintest stars in this picture are 31st magnitude? That's 11 mags fainter than 20, which by the handy old formula
mag1-mag2 = -2.5 * log(flux1/flux2)
which means that the 30th magnitude star puts out about 4x10^(-5) times as much flux.
Using the reference star's flux from above, this means that 0.0034299 photons per second per meter squared arrived at Hubble. The exposure was 84 hours, and the area of Hubble is (2.5m)^2*pi, so tada:
The total number of photons in the picture from the faintest star is: 20365.83
Still not too shabby. They probably could have found even fainter stuff.
Q: How deep would a bunny hop into the woods?
A: Right into the middle of it, beyond that point he would be hoping out of the woods.
Have nice day.
I hadn't bothered to look for the latest figures.
;-)
Of course, my statement was oversimplistic. If we survie another 1 billion years, then the furthest object we'd be able to resolve would be 14.5-15 billion light years away.
Anyways, the article on parallel universes is very interesting. Somewhere out there, there's a universe where I'm dictator of the world!
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Wouldn't that simply cause 'Temporal Blur' .. so that if something was moving it would appear blurred. Most of what we see is moving so slow (from our point of view) that it may as well be static - so we'd never notice a bit of temporal smear.
:)
*shrugs*
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How many astronomers does it take to take a digital picture of the sky? ......
A professional astronomer plugging the *diameter* of a circle into A=pi*r^2? Give me a break.
The next image of that section of sky is unlikely to be taken by a scope with diffraction spikes rotated relative to the former.
Oops! I meant to say "likely" rather than "unlikely." Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.
point taken. Divide the final number by 4!
Nah, that photo only goes as far as Uranus.
Dimes will get you dollars that the "theoretical prediction" is EXACTLY what we're seeing. Otherwise, it's not much of a theory, is it, and there's not much mileage in telling your thesis advisors that they've been smoking crack for twenty years.
"But wait!" you say. "Perhaps the graduate student in question would come up with a NEW and IMPROVED theory!" Right. In which case, her "theoretical prediction" would be EXACTLY what we're seeing, right? =)
What was the magnifacation factor of the photo? In other words, was it 1,000 times, 10,000, etc.. I've looked and looked for this, but I can't find a single reference to that. Is that type of info classified?
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Nope, he's not a "freakwhore". He really is a racist.
That whole series of irritated replies was a freakish event.
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Something seems strange. I remember hearing that the human eye can discern a single photon, as from radioactive breakdown in a wristwatch face. I found something to back that up here and here (actually apparently single photons are discarded as noise; 2 or three are better).
So by my calculations, if you pick a 31st magnitude star in the jpeg and look in the right direction for ten seconds, you will probably get a single photon from the star you picked. Of course you'll get lots of other photons too since your eye can only discern an angle of one arc minute and all those stars are in about 3 arcminutes square.
I just thought it was neat that while obviously the human eye can't beat the HST in most areas it does seem to be about 20,000 times more sensitive than the Hubble's CCDs by those calculations! Anybody know if the CCDs can actually trigger on single photons? What a fantastic picture. I want to pan across it all night.
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I once got root on a server in another country. I found a bunch of porn on it. I downloaded some of it, but due to the slow connection I wasn't able to get much (nevermind the 56k I was connected to my local shell account on, this was 1995 mind you). Then my friend came over, and I showed him that I had cracked root. It was actually the first time I had gotten root. I had run a brute force attack on the password file, and it was successful. I liked to say that I "bruted the root." Anywas, my friend came over, I let him have a go at the pound prompt. What does he do? He types in "rm -rf /" and boom.. there goes my server and all the porn. Bummer.
Actually, I made up the part about there being porn on the server. I was really just upset that my idiot friend fucked up that server for no good reason. That fucking jackass.
Incidentally I tried months afterwords and wasn't able to connect to it. I actually don't think anyone ever used that machine in the first place, and probably no one noticed when it was taken out. I could've done so much with it...
Is it just me, or did almost everyone only look at this picture to see if they could find aliens or an alien planet somewhere?