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Self-Destructing DVD's Coming Soon

BrianH writes "Looks like a close cousin of everybody's favorite self-destructing video format is making a comeback. Four years after Circuit City and its Hollywood backers pulled the plug on the self-expiring DVD concept, FlexPlay Technologies has introduced the EZ-D...a 48-hour self-expiring DVD disk. The difference? This time around you don't need a special player, and "time extensions" are no longer an option. It looks like Buena Vista has already signed on to the format, so Disney, Mirimax, and all of their other companies should be using this soon. As if that wasn't bad enough, it looks like this works for music and software disks too!" Here's an older story on these technologies.

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  1. Ways to crack it by swtaarrs · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm assuming the disc reacts with gasses in the air, so all you have to do to get unlimited viewing time is keep the dvd in a vacuum, nothing major.

    1. Re:Ways to crack it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      . . . you can also, for fun, walk around the video store with a pin.

      Poke. Poke. Poke. Poke.

      No more movies.

      Mwa ha ha ha.

    2. Re:Ways to crack it by narfbot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What happens under different atmospheric or weather conditions? Will it, in some places, never work when opened, or in another, they will never destruct? Are you sure it's caused by reacting gasses or some maybe some kind of timer?

    3. Re:Ways to crack it by polymath69 · · Score: 5, Informative
      I'm assuming the disc reacts with gasses in the air, so all you have to do to get unlimited viewing time is keep the dvd in a vacuum, nothing major.

      The story I saw this morning seemed to imply that there were two color changes involved. One, when you removed it from the envelope, to make it readable, and another 48 hours later making it unreadable again. (On rereading it, they may have meant "undecypherable to the laser" where they wrote "impenetrable to the laser"; you know how those non-techies are with language: so there may be only one color change.)

      That said, maybe you could extend the life somewhat by keeping the disk in the freezer between plays. But you know people will just copy 'em to the hard drive instead of bothering.

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    4. Re:Ways to crack it by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, and the sound would suck.

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  2. So what? by DarkHand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this really a problem for people who have access to DeCSS and a DVD burner?

    1. Re:So what? by BitterOak · · Score: 5, Informative
      actually, you don't need to decrypt anything to make a bit-by-bit copy. Kind of silly, if you think about it.

      Remember though that DVDs require two decryption keys to work: one of which is stored in the player, and the other in a special area on the DVD. Blank DVDs have this key area zeroed out and can't record data on them, so unless you have a DVD press in your basement you can't make a true bit-for-bit copy which includes this vital key area. This is why decryption tools like DeCSS are necessary if you wish to copy CSS encoded DVDs on your computer.

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    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      also commercial dvds are typically double layer and use more than 4.7 gigs of storage. Downsampling of the video bit rate or removal of special features is usually needed.

  3. No problem. by ripewithdecay · · Score: 5, Funny

    It doesn't take 48 hours to rip a DVD. ;)

  4. Great! by El+Neepo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I don't have to return the DVDs after I rent them to rip and encode. Thanks MPAA!

    1. Re:Great! by orbital3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know! They even give you a nice case with cover art and everything! How cool is that?

  5. Great, just great! by Grapes4Buddha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... and then I'm sure they'll cry victim when everybody starts copying the damn things and starts giving them all out to their friends because you can't get a permanent copy of the work.

    I'll tell ya, the first thing I would do with such a thing is to back it up. Or better yet, I would just return it after it expires and tell them that it never worked right in the first place. It's not like they could prove otherwise.

  6. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Inspired by HP and its printer cartriges and now Flexplay, Ford has decided to make its cars cease to function after 60,000 miles or 10 years, whichever comes first. A press release says that "this will ultimately help consumers, as older cars just aren't as safe - for the driver or others on the road." When the time runs out, strong chemicals will be released to distroy most of the cars internal components. Disabling this protection will result in prosecution under the DMCA

  7. Re:Mission Impossible by rtscts · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go Go Gadget DVD ripper..

  8. 48 hours huh? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't manage to get the vobs off of there and create yourself a longer lasting copy in 48 hours you probably don't deserve anymore stolen movies IMO. At the very least you lose your honorary "Pirate" title.

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  9. Trying to put rental places out of business? by Maul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously, nobody is going to pay full price for a DVD that self destructs. This is meant as a rental replacement. However, something like this could put rental places out of business.

    Why? Rental places typically buy a certian number of new copies and rent them out repeatedly, after a few rentals the disc is paid for and it is pure profit on the disc after that, especially when you factor in the real money maker, late fees. When the movie is no longer a hot rental, they'll then just sell off their excess copies as pre-owned DVDs.

    With the self destructing DVD, rental places will continuously have to replace their stock. They will not be able to charge late fees, nor will they be able to sell excess copies they've already made money off of. Ultimately, the rental place will no longer even be necessary since you'll likely be able to buy the destructable disc at any retail outlet or direct from the company for $2 a pop.

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    1. Re:Trying to put rental places out of business? by nightcrawler77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Excellent point.

      And just imagine what happens when the public gets used to this crap: the studios permanently end the sale of DVD's and slowly inch up the pricing on these self-destructing ones. There you'll have it, the pay-per-play business model they so desire.

      That would also throw a fat wrench in the whole Fair Use/DVD copying argument...right now, we are entitled to make backups of our DVD's since we have purchsed them. But once you can no longer buy a DVD that will last more than 48 hours, what argument do you have that you should be allowed to back it up? Sadly, none...it's going to be gone in two days anyway.

      And I'm not even going to go into the issue of the waste this system would produce. I guess the MPAA's five-year plan is to have a worthless DVD sitting next to every worthless AOL CD in every landfill across America. Someone just shoot me now.

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  10. Re:Capitalism by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capitalism at its best means that we consumers have the ability to reject this stupid idea and cause it to fail....

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  11. Nobody cares about polution? by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just a cheap excuse to avoid digital distribution. Downloading the movies would be cooler, and more enviro.

    It seems the polution comments are not getting modded up. Why? How many billions of these things are going to be produced? Where does plastic come from for the most part (hint - we just had a war over this stuff)? And recycling? Just how easy is it separate the thin metal film from the plastic? Besides that, if these things are reactive to air - the article mentions that they begin to expire as soon as their opened - that would suggest some sort of strong plastic/foil packaging.

    Scrap the crap - just put it up for download.

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    1. Re:Nobody cares about polution? by HeghmoH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course nobody cares about the pollution, think about this for one second, it's not a very large problem.

      In my household, we go through a couple of good-sized garbage bags a week. Even if we rented fifty movies every week it would hardly make a noticeable addition to our trash output. Even if you only count the nondegradable trash, an average movie watcher's rental consumption will not come close to touching the amount of other stuff they already throw away.

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  12. Suicidal DVD's by Bonewalker · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can just hear them now, poor little DVD's...engineered to die, but screaming "I want to live!"

    So, I oblige. *Inserts DVD into DVD-R*

    I don't call it ripping...I call it saving lives, one movie at a time.

  13. Re:Mission Impossible by sleeper0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I dont get your response, where does it say anyweher that the point of this system is to foil dvd copiers? It isn't and it doesn't. As for people paying good money and dont "get" the movie, isnt the same thing true for a rental today? This is designed to be similar to a video shop transaction.

    Down the street from me is a big vending machine/kiosk type thing that purports to rent DVDs. I havent been able to try it because it seems to require a discover card and the signup cards never seem to be there. But from looking at it it seems to have 20 movies or so available 24 hours a day for a 3 day rental.

    I am guessing that is the type of thing they want to do with expiring DVD's. If they sold 48 hour dvd rentals at airports or hotels i'm sure i would use the service from time to time. And the company and the buyer dont need to worry about where they will be in 48 hours to return it. Takes all the difficulty out of running a vending machine based rental service.

    Of course it doesnt seem like a good replacement for blockbuster, i agree with many posters that said the last thing we need is the entire world throwing out every movie they rent. But then again there are disposable cell phones for sale that serve a niche but we arent all throwing away our telephones after every call.

  14. I disagree by poptones · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think widespread use of this tech could really drive the sale of huge-GB hard drives.

    Speaking as someone more than 30 miles from the nearest "good" rental shop, I really hope this catches on.

  15. Consumers are inherently criminal. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny
    Hmmm... By leveraging innovative technologies, content providers streamline compelling enterprise solutions.

    And this is definitely a COMPELLING solution. The way I see it, every product should self destruct after 48 hours. Bought a computer? Well, a $2,000 computer should be the first thing to self destruct after 48 hours. The warranty card would read, "This warranty expires 47 hours and 59 minutes and 59 seconds and 999 milliseconds after you make up your mind to buy a computer, and not even this particular one!"

    Bought a new car? They should attach explosives all over the car... don't worry, 48 hours after leaving the dealership, a buzzing sound will alert you and your passengers that you must exit the vehicle, and then the car will drive itself under automated control to a safe part of the desert before exploding. And yes, you still have to pay off the financing for the new vehicle. In fact, dealers will be extra innovative in this respect: You'll simply subscribe to receive a new car every 48 hours and your bank account will simply be debited for the $25,000 or whatever the MSRP is for each occasion. If you don't have that amount of money at the bank, the dealer will provide an alley for you to prostitute yourself in order to earn the money. In fact, it will become federal LAW that you MUST prostitute yourself in order to pay for self-destructing products, as it is the God given right of multinational corporations to enjoy eternal perpetually increasing profits, and it will simultaneously be illegal to prostutute yourself, thus putting you in a situation that you will go to jail no matter what you do, and you will have to subscribe to a new "eMafia" protection service to avoid such arrest. It will obviously be illegal to bypass any devices that make the car blow up after 48 hours, and if you do so, you'll get more time in jail than a murderer or a rapist. In fact, to make the justice system more balanced in light of today's enormous piracy problems, murder charges and rape charges will be reduced to misdemeanors, because those crimes aren't all that bad, but if you God-forbid copy an album so you can perform the horrendous crime against humanity, a thousand times worse than any genocide this world has ever seen, the criminal act of listening to an album that you paid 20 bucks for... you should be beaten nearly to death but simultaneously kept alive, and tortured, and made to suffer the worst of all sufferings of the world combined and then some, because you are the dirtiest, slimiest, shittiest, more horrible criminal this world has ever seen, and shame on you.

    Oh yeah... Houses will be made to self destruct in 60 hours, to compensate for the fact that you need to move your belongings in before they self destruct.

  16. Overkill much? by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 5, Funny

    Christ. Trust a geek to come up with a plan for bolting a helium-filled DVD-playing box to the ceiling to avoid the ELEVEN DOLLARS a brand-new DVD costs. Or are we doing this because we can? Slashdot makes me laugh sometimes.

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  17. Re:Environment? Market? by DennyK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't speak for the 799 others, but I'd like this. If I could pick up a 48-hour DVD for a few bucks, that'd be a good deal to me. I don't have pay-per-view, I hate making two trips to Blockbuster for a single movie, and Netflix is a bad deal unless you rent at least four or five movies a month. There just aren't that many movies I'd like to see. Plus, since you don't need to have a rental system in place, they could stick these things anywhere: 7-11, grocery stores, Wal-Mart...all places I usually go anyway. I'd love to be able to pick up an occasional movie "rental" when I stop for gas or groceries, without having to worry about returning it by such-and-such a date. It's like DivX without the expensive equipment, the invasive privacy issues, or the hassle. Pretty cool stuff, actually.

    And what's with all the yelling about DRM? I hate overly-restrictive DRM as much as anyone, but how is an essentially normal DVD that just stops playing after 48 hours any worse than a normal DVD that you have to give back to Blockbuster tomorrow? DivX, with all its nonstandard technology, "activation" crap, etc. was ugly. But this EZ-D thing you can play in any DVD player, there's no one tracking what you're doing with it...what's the big deal? It's not like these are going to replace real DVDs in the market. This technology is made to target renters, not buyers...

    DennyK